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    Medical Policy Regarding Eugenics and Disability?

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    The world belongs to the strong and healthy, not the weak and sick. There shouldn't be state funding for people with disabilities and things like Down Syndrome. We should be spending more funds on finding cures for diseases which have a chance to be reversed altogether, not prolonging the lives of those suffering from diseases that can't be treated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    The world belongs to the strong and healthy, not the weak and sick. There shouldn't be state funding for people with disabilities and things like Down Syndrome. We should be spending more funds on finding cures for diseases which have a chance to be reversed altogether, not prolonging the lives of those suffering from diseases that can't be treated.
    So people with disabilities can't become good citisens? Are you familiar with the Hippocratic Oath? Physicians have to practice and prescribe to the best of their ability for the good of their patients, and to try to avoid harming them and never to do deliberate harm to anyone for anyone else's interest. Refusing to cure a human being for the sake of "the betterment of the Aryan race" or whatever, is harming him and a violation of the Oath.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    The world belongs to the strong and healthy, not the weak and sick. There shouldn't be state funding for people with disabilities and things like Down Syndrome. We should be spending more funds on finding cures for diseases which have a chance to be reversed altogether, not prolonging the lives of those suffering from diseases that can't be treated.
    How the hell would we cure new diseases if we're just brushing the weak and sick aside? Initially all new diseases are incurable...

    Poor Stephen Hawking, it's a shame we'd have to off him in that ideal world of yours...

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    Some cures work in incipient stages and for this there needs to be a selected area of humans to try if the cure is proper if you spend the money on everyone it's not the same. If you find a cure you can also find means of prevention. Try giving to a vegetable person on the death bed an Aspirin, it won't do anything.

    What percentage of disabled people are geniouses? Not the majority. Eugenics was practiced by Germanics and Europeans from very old times, the ancient Germanics and the Spartans would kill disabled babies and throw them in abysses. We don't do that, but we can control quality of life through abortions and euthanasia which is becoming legal in some places, that's a start for sure. With the death penalty we could also control the spread of criminal genes.

    The future of the Germanic/European race should look more like this





    than like this.




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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    Try giving to a vegetable person on the death bed an Aspirin, it won't do anything.
    It'll do something, mainly thin the blood. It'll do nothing for the coma but it will do something...

    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    What percentage of disabled people are geniouses? Not the majority. Eugenics was practiced by Germanics and Europeans from very old times, the ancient Germanics and the Spartans would kill disabled babies and throw them in abysses. We don't do that, but we can control quality of life through abortions and euthanasia which is becoming legal in some places, that's a start for sure. With the death penalty we could also control the spread of criminal genes.
    Yes, of course the ancients were always right!
    Let us disregard gene therapy and rather cull the herd of retards who often are the offspring of perfectly healthy individuals. Should you have a child that is mentally retarded should we not purge your genes, whether they express themselves or not?
    Down syndrome is caused by nondisjunction, a process which can happen to anyone regardless of their genes.

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    The future of the Germanic/European race should look more like this



    These people^, are quite capable of giving birth to these people...
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    than like this.



    These people most likely will not reproduce or cannot reproduce, they're an inconvenience at best.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    The world belongs to the strong and healthy, not the weak and sick. There shouldn't be state funding for people with disabilities and things like Down Syndrome. We should be spending more funds on finding cures for diseases which have a chance to be reversed altogether, not prolonging the lives of those suffering from diseases that can't be treated.
    It's about respect for life . I don't expect many Nationalsocialists to understand that and it is also a reflection on the ideology itself that that is the case.

    Let's hope your comments don't bite you on the arse oneday in the future
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    Quote Originally Posted by Todesengel View Post
    The world belongs to the strong and healthy, not the weak and sick. There shouldn't be state funding for people with disabilities and things like Down Syndrome. We should be spending more funds on finding cures for diseases which have a chance to be reversed altogether, not prolonging the lives of those suffering from diseases that can't be treated.
    I do agree with euthanasia for people like Terri Schiavo who live like vegetables or for those who experience pain and do not wish to have their lives prolonged at any costs. I do not believe in prolonging life at any cost, the cost being putting that person through agonizing sufference. They should have the right to end it painlessly. However, disabled people/people with Down Syndrome are a whole different category. They can live perfectly happy and enjoyable lives. I don't believe disabilities are only about genetics. An accident can leave someone disabled. So, does that mean that once someone loses their legs or arms, they cannot contribute to our communities anymore? I believe that is nonsense. The National Socialists had no regard for this. They had a mania for physical perfection. Contribution and success do not solely reside in the physical, Germanic minds can also create. People like Stephen Hawking are 100 times more worthy to human kind than brainless sex symbols from Hollywood who have your ideal, perfect physical shape.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Volksdeutscher View Post
    So people with disabilities can't become good citisens?
    That's not it, first and foremost this is not about euthanasia, but about "social medicine", it is just that the state shouldn't help them, if they can afford their treatment, then they can pay for it themselves. No one should forbid this

    Quote Originally Posted by Volksdeutscher View Post
    Are you familiar with the Hippocratic Oath? Physicians have to practice and prescribe to the best of their ability for the good of their patients, and to try to avoid harming them and never to do deliberate harm to anyone for anyone else's interest.
    You are saying, that I have been paying my doctor and the taxes in vain :eek:
    I could have gotten the treatment for free anyway?
    Darn!

    Then this is the solution to our question here, we just don't pay anything

    Quote Originally Posted by Ulf View Post
    Poor Stephen Hawking, it's a shame we'd have to off him in that ideal world of yours...
    Oh noes, what a loss, we would have to say goodbye to our beloved time travel
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jäger View Post
    That's not it, first and foremost this is not about euthanasia, but about "social medicine", it is just that the state shouldn't help them, if they can afford their treatment, then they can pay for it themselves. No one should forbid this
    If a poor child has an accident and can't afford to treat himself, he should be left to rot and die?

    You are saying, that I have been paying my doctor and the taxes in vain :eek:
    I could have gotten the treatment for free anyway?
    Darn!

    Then this is the solution to our question here, we just don't pay anything
    Medical treatment should ideally be free of charge and financed by the state, yes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Volksdeutscher View Post
    If a poor child has an accident and can't afford to treat himself, he should be left to rot and die?
    Nope, I already wrote that accidents should be treated free of any cost, and that people should be able to die peacefully (e.g. if the child had cancer), and not have to rot and die.

    Quote Originally Posted by Volksdeutscher View Post
    Medical treatment should ideally be free of charge and financed by the state, yes.
    Why should the state pay, if the doctor has to do it for free?
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