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    Socialized Medicine

    Your thoughts? (I'm anticipating one of the more left leaning discussions that would take place around here, but we'll see.)

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    Britain, as a result of this, has the one of the cheapest health services in the world, the NHS.

    Yes, you are packed in like tinned sardines, and it is not perfect, but it is free and cheap for the tax payer too.

    If you do not like it, you can always go private/have health insurance.

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    There are a lot of problems with socialized medicine, but I think that the problems of for-profit medicine outweigh those by far. However, as we've learned from Europe's example, socialized heathcare cannot coexist with open borders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fortis_in_Arduis View Post
    Britain, as a result of this, has the one of the cheapest health services in the world, the NHS.

    Yes, you are packed in like tinned sardines, and it is not perfect, but it is free and cheap for the tax payer too.

    If you do not like it, you can always go private/have health insurance.
    Free???? You are paying for it with high taxes and loss of freedom to pick your own medical path.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Birka View Post
    Free???? You are paying for it with high taxes and loss of freedom to pick your own medical path.
    I do see what you are saying, but it is still run very economically (patients are packed in and stacked up like some sort of 'camp where people concentrate...')

    Also, it is linked up with the universities/medical schools. It is a nice integrated system.

    We have had some recent reforms, whereby NHS trusts have been privatised.

    This has created problems, because hospitals are expected to run on the same amount of money, but people also expect to make a profit from investment...

    It was better before, like the nationalized rail service was, (National Rail) before that was privatized.

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    Socialized systems are better for delivering care at a current standard to more people. Privatized systems are better for keeping the standard of care rising as time goes on. Thats why the US has such crappy coverage, but loads of wealthy powerful foreigners come here for medical care, and we are a leader in developing cutting edge medical technology.

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    I've never had problems with "chosing my medical path" despite growing up in Canada and having a socialised healthcare system. In fact, in the past few months I've seen a few different doctors... been to a few different hospitals, had an array of tests (for bacterial infections, iron deficiencies, etc.). I have not paid anything directly. I don't mind paying taxes for healthcare. Is it so bad? I don't mind that my money doesn't necessary go to me directly and helps other citizens... maybe I'm just not selfish enough?
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    I support a national healthcare system. But only under the control of a proper government with the interests of its folk in mind. I'd place restrictions on who could recieve free medical treatment as well. For example if you're not a person who works and contributes to a NHS than you shouldn't be able to take advantage of it. Some socialist policies are fine in my opinion as long as they contribute to preserving and advancing your people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Freydis View Post
    I've never had problems with "chosing my medical path" despite growing up in Canada and having a socialised healthcare system. In fact, in the past few months I've seen a few different doctors... been to a few different hospitals, had an array of tests (for bacterial infections, iron deficiencies, etc.). I have not paid anything directly. I don't mind paying taxes for healthcare. Is it so bad? I don't mind that my money doesn't necessary go to me directly and helps other citizens... maybe I'm just not selfish enough?
    The thing is though, had all countries adopted socialized medical systems in say...the year 1875, would many of the tests and procedures and knowledge that your doctors used even exist today? One could argue that socialized medicine is selfish in that it deprives future generations of improvements in medical care in order to cover everyone today. Things like potential cancer cures, and new vaccines are much less likely to be developed without a financial incentive for those developing them.

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    The whole thought of medical treatment has come to a perverted form anyways, we keep people alive, who should better rest in peace.

    I am all for state medical treatment, limited to basic treatment, which are treatment of injuries after accidents, ways to ensure people can die in peace, and further only treatments of minor health issues (colds, etc).
    For everything else, people should pay by themselves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Cuchulain View Post
    Things like potential cancer cures, and new vaccines are much less likely to be developed without a financial incentive for those developing them.
    Why do you think there are no financial incentives, or do you want to say, that there is money much easier earned, and this is why the incentive is missing?
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