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    Are the Irish, the Welsh or the Scottish Germanic?

    I want to know if the Irish, Walesh or the Scottish are germanic? I don't think so.But of cos they're using a lingual term which is not racially significant. Well just a thought I hope no one pissed of with me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hanna View Post
    I want to know if the Irish, Walesh or the Scottish are germanic? I don't think so.But of cos they're using a lingual term which is not racially significant. Well just a thought I hope no one pissed of with me.
    No they are Celtic peoples. Here is an interesting article that originally appeared on the BBC:

    Gene scientists claim to have found proof that the Welsh are the "true" Britons.

    The research supports the idea that Celtic Britain underwent a form of ethnic cleansing by Anglo-Saxons invaders following the Roman withdrawal in the fifth century.

    Genetic tests show clear differences between the Welsh and English

    It suggests that between 50% and 100% of the indigenous population of what was to become England was wiped out, with Offa's Dyke acting as a "genetic barrier" protecting those on the Welsh side.

    And the upheaval can be traced to this day through genetic differences between the English and the Welsh.

    Academics at University College in London comparing a sample of men from the UK with those from an area of the Netherlands where the Anglo-Saxons are thought to have originated found the English subjects had genes that were almost identical.

    But there were clear differences between the genetic make-up of Welsh people studied.

    The research team studied the Y-chromosome, which is passed almost unchanged from father to son, and looked for certain genetic markers.

    Ethnic links: Many races share common bonds


    They chose seven market towns mentioned in the Domesday Book of 1086 and studied 313 male volunteers whose paternal grandfather had also lived in the area.

    They then compared this with samples from Norway and with Friesland, now a northern province of the Netherlands.

    The English and Frisians studied had almost identical genetic make-up but the English and Welsh were very different.

    The researchers concluded the most likely explanation for this was a large-scale Anglo-Saxon invasion, which devastated the Celtic population of England, but did not reach Wales.
    The article continues here.

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    The case for the Scottish being a country made up of Celtic and Germanic people could be argued, but the Welsh and the Irish are in the majority of Celtic descent.
    (Whatever that may be)

    In the case of the Scottish, though, they do tend to get annoyed if referred to as 'Germanic', as they see themselves as Celtic or Norse and not "one of those English bast**ds"





    The researchers concluded the most likely explanation for this was a large-scale Anglo-Saxon invasion, which devastated the Celtic population of England, but did not reach Wales.
    ....Or, it could suggest the people of Britain have been settled by people after the Ice Age in two directions. One from the coasts of Iberia and onwards through the coasts of west-Britain and Ireland; and the other coming from the mainland of Europe via the land bridge.

    This could explain many occurrences which seem "odd" in the face of what is "accepted" history.
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    The Irish and Welsh are not Germanic, as Gaelic is not a Germanic language. However, some Scots are Germanic. Scots is a Germanic language, of the West Germanic branch.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scots_language


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    The Irish and Welsh are not Germanic, as Gaelic is not a Germanic language
    Ergo, American-Negroes are Germanic, as English is a Germanic language?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlíNanGael View Post
    Ergo, American-Negroes are Germanic, as English is a Germanic language?
    Was going to say the same thing in South Africa a part of the black people talk Dutch or even in some parts with a Frisian dialect, in the Dutch Antilles wich is full with blacks they all speak Dutch,or English does this make them Germanic?
    If christ is the answer then what is the question?

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    Ireland - Historically Celto-Germanic, Linguistically Celtic, Culturally Celtic
    Scotland - Historically, Linguistically & Culturally Celto-Germanic (with actually a higher occurence of Germanic than Celtic - at no point in the last 800-900 years were Gaelic speakers in the majority over Scots-speakers, really, for example).
    Wales - Historically Celto-Germanic, Linguistically & Culturally Celtic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlíNanGael View Post
    Ergo, American-Negroes are Germanic, as English is a Germanic language?
    eyes: I think there is an obvious explanation as to why North American Blacks speak English. However, the Welsh who speak Welsh probably come from a long line of people who were Welsh and so on. Ergo, decendants of Celtic people.

    Scots on the otherhand, I don't know too much about how it developed. Were they just the Angles that lived in what is modern Scotland? I'm sure there's a varying degree of "germanicness" to people in Scotland, obviously it would be more of a mixture people who consider themselves Welsh.

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    at no point in the last 800-900 years were Gaelic speakers in the majority over Scots-speakers, really, for example).
    Well, that's debateable. But I think we can be pretty confident that Scots speakers have outnumbered Celtic speakers in Scotland for the last 500 years.

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    The English, Welsh, Irish and Scottish are all North-Western European peoples. The ethnogenesis of each nation is drawn from the same sources (native British, Celtic, Northern Germanic, Iberian, Anatolian etc) and they differ in that regard only by degrees.

    99.9% of all these folk speak English from birth. Some of them can write and speak in a Gaelic language also.

    The hard Teutonic-Celtic split of peoples dating from the Anglo-Danish invasions is a hangover from the years of English subjugation over those three nations. It was convenient for the English and is now convenient for "Celts" to have this exist as a widely-held belief.

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