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    Quote Originally Posted by Svartljos View Post
    eyes: I think there is an obvious explanation as to why North American Blacks speak English.
    Yet it is not obvious why the Norse-Gaels would be considered Celtic because they spoke a Celtic language. What is obvious is that 3 aspects of a people need to be considered when classifying them: Culture, Language, and Ethnicity. When all three of these things are considered, all three peoples (the Irish, Scottish, and Welsh) can be considered partially Germanic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlíNanGael View Post
    Ergo, American-Negroes are Germanic, as English is a Germanic language?
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    Was going to say the same thing in South Africa a part of the black people talk Dutch or even in some parts with a Frisian dialect, in the Dutch Antilles wich is full with blacks they all speak Dutch,or English does this make them Germanic?
    No. I believe the American Negroes and the Africans who speak Dutch are not Germanic because they are not ethnically and racially Germanic and they do not speak the native languages belonging to their ancestors. The Scottish and Irish and Welsh who speak Gaelic do however. They have Celtic ancestors who passed down their native language. The Scottish who speak Scots and have Germanic ancestors are Germanic.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    The Scottish and Irish and Welsh who speak Gaelic do however. They have Celtic ancestors who passed down their native language.
    The vast majority of Irish, Scots and Welsh have solely spoken English from birth, like their parents and grandparents before them. And even further back.


    The Scottish who speak Scots and have Germanic ancestors are Germanic.
    All Scots have some Germanic ancestors and all Scots speak Scots English. All English have some "Celtic / British" ancestry.

    It's a shame that the word British has been contaminated by association with the United Kingdom, as it sums up well the ethnicity of the four Isles nations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneEnglishNorman View Post
    The vast majority of Irish, Scots and Welsh have solely spoken English from birth, like their parents and grandparents before them. And even further back.
    And? So have the African-Americans.
    All Scots have some Germanic ancestors and all Scots speak Scots English. All English have some "Celtic / British" ancestry.

    It's a shame that the word British has been contaminated by association with the United Kingdom, as it sums up well the ethnicity of the four Isles nations.
    I did not dispute the Germanicity of the Scots. I dispute the Germanicity of the Irish and Welsh. The existence of a Germanic native language of the tribe is one characteristic that defines ethnicity. English is not an Irish or Welsh language, while Scots is a Scottish language.


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    I dispute the use of Germanic as a hard definable term outside of the study of linguistics, in a way which places the English & Scottish on one side of a fence and the Irish & Welsh on the other.

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    The Irish have been traditionally opposed to being counted as Brits or Germanics. They wanna break away from the UK and revive their Celtic culture. Go to Irish-Nationalism.net and say the Irish are Germanic, the Irish will be laughing at ya.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fallen Angel View Post
    Go to Irish-Nationalism.net and say the Irish are Germanic, the Irish will be laughing at ya.
    Probably, they would chuckle.

    Ask 100 Scots (ordinary Scots, not those on racialist forums) if they "feel Germanic" and see where that gets you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OneEnglishNorman View Post
    Probably, they would chuckle.

    Ask 100 Scots (ordinary Scots, not those on racialist forums) if they "feel Germanic" and see where that gets you.
    Ask 100 Americans of Germanic heritage if they "feel Germanic" (ordinary Americans, not those on racialist forums) and see where that gets you. I believe many Scandinavians also frown upon the terminology "Germanic", but that doesn't say anything. They live their lives as Germanics, speak the Germanic languages of their ancestors and they are Germanic. If adopting a foreign language to the point next generations speak it as "native" makes a people Germanic, then African-Americans are as "Germanic" as the Irish and Welsh. The Irish are trying to revive Gaelic because it is the language of their ancestors, not English.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Dagna View Post
    I believe many Scandinavians also frown upon the terminology "Germanic",

    No one in my whole ancestry refereed themselves as Germanic but vikings.
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    Not to niggle unnecessarily here, but the Welsh language is not a Gaelic language.


    On another note, I have met and or corresponded with a number of Scots through the Clan Donald society who are becoming much more interested in the Norse heritage of not only the Clan Donald and their kin; but also of Scotland in general. There is also a significant Anglo heritage in certain sections of Scotland. I concur with the idea that Scotland is "Celtogermanic" (but I wouldn't ever say "Germanic").


    To say that Ireland or Wales is Celtogermanic would be to push the envelope even further (and IMO, too far), but in certain instances the case could be made for claiming Norse or Norman heritage and influence.
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