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    Russia threatens to crush any attack

    FT 19AUG08


    Russia’s president, Dmitry Medvedev, has threatened a “crushing response” to any future attack on Russian citizens as the US and Georgia continued to dispute Moscow’s claims that its troops were withdrawing.

    ((Russian CITIZENS.....)

    Georgia and its western allies accused Russia on Monday of continuing to destroy military and civilian infrastructure and paralysing the country’s transport network.

    A Russian soldier guards a checkpoint near Gori, the Georgian town reported to be deserted with signs of 'massive looting'

    The claims came as the principal United Nations refugee agency said the country had been “practically cut in two” by a bridge’s destruction on the main east-west railway and roadblocks on major roads, delaying relief for thousands fleeing the fighting between Russian, Georgian and secessionist forces.

    Oil exports by rail from Azerbaijan have also been suspended, according to the oil company BP, and forest fires have been reported in the Borjomi valley after Russian helicopter attacks.

    Nato foreign ministers are due in Brussels on Tuesday for an emergency meeting on Georgia amid calls for a united and robust western response to Russia’s failure to respect Georgian territorial integrity.

    On Monday, Mr Medvedev told second world war veterans in the north Russian port of Kursk: “If anyone thinks they can kill our citizens and escape unpunished, we will never allow this. If anyone tries this again, we will come out with a crushing response.”

    ((OUR CITIZENS ..........))

    In Moscow, Col-General Anatoly Nogovitsyn, deputy chief of the Russian general staff, said: “The withdrawal of peacekeeping forces started today.” But he added: “We will not be leaving with such speed as when we entered.”

    But the Georgian government said Russian forces were still advancing, with six tanks heading from the central city of Kashuri towards Sachkere, and six towards the Borjomi valley. Georgian reports claimed Russian forces were continuing to destroy the Senaki military base near the Black Sea and were still occupying the town of Gori..........

    The United Nations High Commissioner for Refugees reported its officials had finally managed to enter Gori on Sunday after first being turned away by Russian troops. The agency reported that the town, which sits astride Georgia’s main east-west highway, was deserted, with signs of “massive looting”.

    The UNHCR said there were an estimated 158,600 refugees inside and outside Georgia but logistical problems were delaying relief.


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    The Russians clearly think of these citizens (ie. those at risk) are 'our citizens'.... meaning Russian (??)...and have arrived "in their defence".(Haven't the Russians been handing out new passports?? - ) I dont know the real sequence of events -- but the Georgians had clearly been shelling the Northern town(s).

    The inevitable has happened.... and now that the Russians have dug in , I for one can't see them suddenly leaving!

    As it is, I am very not surprised at what has happened....It is a lesson for all .....

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    The Russians just capture a bunch've Georgian soldiers.

    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080819/...georgia_russia

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    The sheer hypocrisy of Bush and Rice


    Here we have a George W. Bush and a Conzoleeza Rice, with expressions of total preoccupation on their faces (are they worried about the implication of US military advisors in the act of butchery perpetrated by Georgian forces against ethnic Russians and Ossetians, when in one night 2.000 civilians were slaughtered?), speaking about the need to adhere to international law at the beginning of the 21st century.

    Here we have a President and his Secretary of State condemning Russia and supporting Georgia without one single word of mention of the Georgian war crimes which started this whole sorry affair. Not one single word of mention about the obligation Georgia had to hold a referendum in Abkhazia and South Ossetia under the terms of the Soviet Constitution, namely as regards its provisions for the voluntary dissolution of the Union or secession of Member States.

    Here we have two senior members of a regime which entered Iraq based upon a tissue of lies, which then declared that the goal was regime change and which proceeded to mastermind a kangaroo court which changed the judges numerous times until who they purport as being His Excellency President Saddam Hussein al-Tikriti was hanged by the neck. Then they complain about Russia wanting to remove that criminal murderer, Saakashvili?

    They have the audacity to complain about Russia violating Georgia’s frontiers, when the US armed forces invaded Iraq and slaughtered hundreds of thousands of civilians? They have the cheek to complain about Russian military operations when cluster bombs were dropped into civilian areas in Iraq, when prisoners were tortured in Abu Ghraib, when innocent people were rounded up and sent to the illegal concentration camp at Guantanamo, where they did not even have access to a due legal process?

    They have the sheer, pig-headed arrogance to speak about the territorial integrity of Georgia, when Iraq was invaded outside any norm of international law, its civilian structures were targeted with military hardware and reconstruction contracts were doled out without tender to White House cronies?

    Suppose Russia claimed that it wanted regime change in Georgia, invaded the country, slaughtered hundreds of thousands of its citizens, deployed WMD in civilian areas, raped and tortured prisoners, caught Saakashvili and hanged him? Morally, Bush, Rice and their entire odious and satanic regime would not be able to say a single word without the label “hypocrisy” choking them in their throats.

    http://english.pravda.ru/opinion/col...ypocrisybush-0

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    Interesting to find that there are two sides to this argument - even in the West!! Clearly some Europeans are more aware of the wider implications of crossing Russia. Europe needs to maintain an independence of thinking....it is in the wider interests of the world to do so. Even America needs to react sensibly to world events.........pretending in no longer a safe option!

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    Nato offers scant comfort for Georgia over conflict with Russia

    Major divisions opened up between Nato members as European countries rejected an American proposal to suspend ties with Russia over its actions in Georgia.

    Tbilisi ,
    Telegraph 20 Aug 2008.


    The differences at an emergency summit in Brussels offered scant comfort for Georgia, which had hoped that its bid for Nato membership would be expedited.

    While the alliance agreed to create a Nato-Georgia Commission (??)which will support the country's economic recovery, there was no mention of speeding up the membership process.

    The summit was expected to present a united front against what Western countries say has been "an act of unconscionable aggression" against an important ally - ((eh?? - oil again!)) .

    The United States had called for a formal suspension of ministerial meetings with Moscow by Nato countries, but European members made clear they favoured a much milder approach.

    Even Britain, which has been broadly supportive of Washington's robust condemnation of the Kremlin, chose to side with the Europeans in rejecting a proposal to freeze the Nato-Russia council, established in 2002 to boost relations between Moscow and the West.

    "I am not one that believes that isolating Russia is the right answer to its misdemeanours," said David Miliband, the Foreign Secretary...............


    Mr Miliband arrived in Georgia later to express Britain's support for the government of President Mikheil Saakashvili.

    (?? -------- not quite what they were looking for exactly ....)

    (He lashed out at Russia for reneging on three separate pledges to withdraw from Georgia and missing a new deadline of noon on Monday to pull out, describing the Kremlin's recalcitrance as “incomprehensible”.)


    Mr Miliband warned that the pressure on Russia would grow as it continued to defy international consensus and hinted that Moscow's presence in international forums like the G8 was at risk.

    But the foreign secretary denied that Nato had been too soft, claiming that it had been a major step to get all 26 countries, including those traditionally more supportive of Russia, to speak with one voice.

    “People expected that there would be a flaking away on issues like Georgia's territorial integrity but there hasn't,” he said. “There hasn't been an old Europe-new Europe divide.”

    ( yet -see below....)

    ...............

    With France and Germany, heavily dependent on Russian energy, urging caution and Italy broadly supporting the Kremlin's actions, Nato issued a watered down statement expressing "grave concern".................

    (( no problem at that -- we are all concerned. I still want to know what the Georgians really thought they were doing before it all blew up in their faces....))

    It told Russia that meetings could not take place while its troops remained in Georgia and said that relations could be damaged if a pull-out did not begin quickly......

    "The Alliance is considering seriously the implications of Russia's actions for the Nato-Russian relationship," the statement read. "We have determined that we cannot continue with business as usual."

    The meeting prompted a mixture of scorn and outrage in Moscow, which continued to defy international calls for a full military withdrawal from Georgia.

    Russia's ambassador to Nato, Dmitry Rogozin, derided the summit as a "mountain that gave birth to a mouse".

    "All of these threats that have been raining down on Russia turned out to be empty words," he said.

    Sergei Lavrov, the Russian foreign minister, accused Nato of protecting a "criminal regime"..............

    Russia also pulled out of a Nato exercise in the Baltic Sea and cancelled a visit by a US naval frigate to the Kamchatka peninsula.

    Some progress in alleviating the crisis was briefly visible after Georgia and Russia completed a prisoner-swap yesterday morning.

    But an hour later, Russian troops smashed their way into the port of Poti, on Georgia's Black Sea post. After blowing up the missile boat Dioskuria, the Georgian navy's most sophisticated vessel, the Russians seized 21 Georgian servicemen and took them prisoner.

    Blinded and handcuffed, the soldiers were then dragged to an unknown location. They also confiscated four American Humvees, used in a recent military exercise in Georgia, that were awaiting shipment back to the United States.

    There was little visible evidence that a Russian withdrawal was underway, although officials in Moscow said it was and western correspondents were invited to see a small convoy of military vehicles leave the strategically important town of Gori.

    But nearby, Russian soldiers continued to build trenches and in other towns there were no signs of a drawdown of forces.

    Mr Lavrov, however, said that Russian troops could be pulled out of Georgia within three days although other officials refused to give a time frame.

    The UN Security Council was due to meet to discuss a new draft resolution calling for respect of Georgia's territorial integrity and the withdrawal of Russian troops.....

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    But the Russians do have the right to maintain some military "peacekeeping" presence there, I assume.......It is clearly questionable who first aggressed! How long have you got??



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    LSO conductor Valery Gergiev leads pro-Russia concert in Ossetia

    The principal conductor of the London Symphony Orchestra (!!) led a pro-Russian classical concert in the ruins of the capital of South Ossetia to celebrate a crushing battlefield victory over Georgia on Thursday evening.......


    Tskhinvali
    Telegraph 22 Aug 2008

    The LSO stood by Valery Gergiev's participation in the event, despite the British Government's condemnation of Russian aggression in the region

    In front of the blackened shell that once acted as the breakaway region's rebel headquarters, Gergiev, who was born in Moscow but is an ethnic Ossetian, raised his baton to cheers and applause.

    From a specially constructed gantry an audience of 300-odd Ossetians enthusiastically waved Russian flags as Gergiev led St Petersburg's Marinsky Orchestra in concert.

    The program was specially designed to combine pomp, grandeur and defiance with pathos and grief.......

    Shostakovich's Leningrad Symphony, written on the orders of Stalin to rouse Russians against the Nazi invasions, was followed by the delicate strains of Tchaikovsky's Pathetique symphony.

    Russian soldiers perched on the top of armoured personnel carriers, straining for a better view, as Orthodox priests, Jewish rabbis and even an imam passed through the audience granting benedictions to a self-proclaimed nation united in victory.

    As the strains of Shostakovich filled the air, fresh smoke and sheets of flame from burning Georgian villages in South Ossetia rose from the hills - the latest sign that while the war may be over, the plight of civilians is not.

    Yet Russian officers refused to acknowledge what was going on before their eyes. "What fire?", one snapped before striding off.

    Gergiev, who is godfather to Vladimir Putin's daughter, said before the concert that Georgia's assault on South Ossetia that sparked the Russian invasion was comparable to the September 11 attacks on the United States. "The world doesn't know the truth about what happened in Tskhinvali, there is a huge manipulation of public opinion happening now," he said.

    "I am a musician and I am also an Ossetian and what makes me tense is I have friends in Georgia ... but the Georgians do not know the truth."

    The LSO stood by Gergiev's participation in the event, despite the British Government's condemnation of Russian aggression in the region.

    "We understand that Valery Gergiev feels passionately about the current situation in South Ossetia and Georgia and are aware that he has in the past created music as an ambassador for peace; we send our good wishes to him for a significant and successful concert," said Kathryn McDowell, the orchestra's managing director.

    Gergiev conducted with his usual gusto, occasionally emitting a traditional grunt as the sense of occasion overwhelms him.

    With an atmosphere of jingoism heavy in the air, additional spice was given to the proceedings by the presence of rebel leader Eduard Kokoity who formerly appealed to Moscow for recognition of his tiny state's independence. That recognition could come as early as next week, a move that would inevitably strain tensions between the West and Russia as well as further undermining an already fragile ceasefire with Georgia.

    Mr Kokoity, dressed in a black t-shirt and blue pinstripe suit, beamed proprietarily from the sidelines of the concert, which he declared was a sign of Russian support for the sovereignty of South Ossetia, a region slightly larger than Norfolk. This was, he said, a concert of liberation.

    In the town of Gori, 15 miles into undisputed territory from the Ossetian frontier, Russian military trucks dumped weeping Georgian civilians forcibly removed from their devastated homes onto the tarmac.

    Finland's foreign minister, Alexander Stubb, who witnessed the scenes was visibly angry, but he stopped short of calling Russia's actions ethnic cleansing.

    "I've seen old people weeping," he said. "It's against all principles of international law."

    Georgia claims that Russian troops and Ossetian irregulars have carried out numerous human rights abuses against civilians in villages both in South Ossetia and in occupied areas of undisputed Georgian territory.

    Between the town of Gori and the Ossetian border there was evidence of widespread destruction of property. Buildings gutted by fire and shops and petrol stations with windows smashed in by looting lined the road.

    The destruction was not as systematic as the Georgian government had claimed - the majority of buildings seemed to be in tact - yet it was clear that reprisals against the civilian population had been carried out on a substantial and vindictive scale.

    A true examination of the situation behind the Russian lines proved impossible, however. The Daily Telegraph travelled through the region as part of a press tour organised by the Kremlin, and the minders accompanying us were clearly reluctant for reporters to stop and talk to civilians in Georgian areas.

    Once in Tskhinvali, the Russian chaperones eased their restrictions, allowing reporters access to Ossetian civilians along a 200-yard stretch of road in the town's former Jewish quarter.

    While the Russians tried to pass off some old damage as new - the area was badly affected by South Ossetia's first war in the early 1990s - scorch marks on the sides of ruined buildings proved that much of the devastation had happened in recent days.

    The Kremlin had claimed that Georgia's military assault on the town was so brutal Tskhinvali had taken on the appearance of Stalingrad during the Second World War. It also claimed 1,600 civilians were killed in what it called genocide.

    Both allegations were clearly exaggerated. Much of Tskhinvali remains in tact, whilst human rights organisations put the death toll at under 100.

    Yet in this quarter of Tskhinvali the rubble-strewn streets and utterly gutted buildings testified to a serious bombardment. What caused it though was less clear. Local civilians and Russian soldiers blamed Grad rockets fired by the Georgians. Yet the nature of the devastation suggested that much of the damage had been inflicted by aerial bombardment, though whether Georgian or Russian planes were responsible is difficult to know...........

    "Our houses are in ruins," said Zaleria Kutseveya, an Ossetian woman who says she spent the five-day war in a neighbour's basement. "People are saying it was Russian bombing but I know it was the Georgians because I was here."

    The civilian death toll in Tskhinvali's Jewish quarter is also difficult to establish. When The Daily Telegraph visited the area last year the quarter seemed mostly uninhabited. But twisted bed frames in the ruins of at least two houses suggested they were occupied when they were destroyed.

    Yet whoever levelled the Jewish quarter, and however many people died there, is in some ways beside the point. The South Ossetians here believe Georgia was responsible and vow that reconciliation with their neighbours to the south is now impossible.

    "How can we live with them," said Fatima Butseyeva. "They killed our neighbours, they killed our children. We hate them more than ever."

    There was no sign of a meaningful withdrawal by Russian troops from Georgian territory. Dmitry Medvedev, the Russian president, had promised that a withdrawal of all but 500 troops would be completed by Friday night. Russian soldiers yesterday also detained France's ambassador to Georgia and held him for three hours.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Carl View Post
    Shostakovich's Leningrad Symphony, written on the orders of Stalin to rouse Russians against the Nazi invasions, was followed by the delicate strains of Tchaikovsky's Pathetique symphony.
    Le Pathetique?!? Rather inappropriate a piece, I would have thought. Written near the time of Pyotr Ilych's suicide, and full of introspective angst and despair and final resignation. I'd have played Chaikovsky's 'Marche Slave' - the one about freeing the Serbs and Bulgars from Ottoman despotism. Ominous oriental rumblings, optimistic folk tunes, with a finale of a triumphant God Save the Tsar! :p

    So not so many died in Saakashvili's bombardment as originally supposed? I wouldn't have liked to have been those who picked the short straw, anyway.

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    http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=28157

    Who is Randy Scheunemann?


    He is the principal foreign policy adviser to John McCain and potential successor to Henry Kissinger and Zbigniew Brzezinski as national security adviser to the president of the United States.

    But Randy Scheunemann has another identity, another role.


    He is a dual loyalist, a foreign agent whose assignment is to get America committed to spilling the blood of her sons for client regimes who have made this moral mercenary a rich man.

    From January 2007 to March 2008, the McCain campaign paid Scheunemann $70,000 -- pocket change compared to the $290,000 his Orion Strategies banked in those same 15 months from the Georgian regime of Mikheil Saakashvili.

    What were Mikheil's marching orders to Tbilisi's man in Washington? Get Georgia a NATO war guarantee. Get America committed to fight Russia, if necessary, on behalf of Georgia.

    Scheunemann came close to succeeding.

    Had he done so, U.S. soldiers and Marines from Idaho and West Virginia would be killing Russians in the Caucasus, and dying to protect Scheunemann's client, who launched this idiotic war the night of Aug. 7. That people like Scheunemann hire themselves out to put American lives on the line for their clients is a classic corruption of American democracy.

    U.S. backing for his campaign to retrieve his lost provinces is what Saakashvili paid Scheunemann to produce. But why should Americans fight Russians to force 70,000 South Ossetians back into the custody of a regime they detest? Why not let the South Ossetians decide their own future in free elections?

    Not only is the folly of the Bush interventionist policy on display in the Caucasus, so, too, is its manifest incoherence.

    Defense Secretary Robert Gates says we have sought for 45 years to stay out of a shooting war with Russia and we are not going to get into one now. President Bush assured us there will be no U.S. military response to the Russian move into Georgia.

    That is a recognition of, and a bowing to, reality -- namely, that Russia's control of South Ossetia and Abkhazia and occupation of a strip of Georgia cannot be a casus belli for the United States. We may deplore it, but it cannot justify war with Russia.

    If that be true, and it transparently is, what are McCain, Barack Obama, Bush, and German Chancellor Angela Merkel doing committing the United States and Germany to bringing Georgia into NATO? For that would commit us to war for a cause we have already conceded, by our paralysis, does not justify a war.

    Not only did Scheunemann's two-man lobbying firm receive $730,000 since 2001 to get Georgia a NATO war guarantee, he was paid by Romania and Latvia to do the same. And he succeeded.

    Latvia, a tiny Baltic republic annexed by Joseph Stalin in June 1940 during his pact with Adolf Hitler, was set free at the end of the Cold War. Yet hundreds of thousands of Russians had been moved into Latvia by Stalin, and as Riga served as a base of the Baltic Sea fleet, many Russian naval officers retired there.

    The children and grandchildren of these Russians are Latvian citizens. They are a cause of constant tension with ethnic Letts and of strife with Moscow, which has assumed the role of protector of Russians left behind in the "near abroad" when the Soviet Union broke apart.

    Thanks to the lobbying of Scheunemann and friends, Latvia has been brought into NATO and given a U.S. war guarantee. If Russia intervenes to halt some nasty ethnic violence in Riga, the United States is committed to come in and drive the Russians out.

    This is the situation in which the interventionists have placed our country: committed to go to war for countries and causes that do not justify war, against a Russia that is re-emerging as a great power only to find NATO squatting on her doorstep.

    Scheunemann's resume as a War Party apparatchik is lengthy. He signed the PNAC (Project for the New American Century) letter to President Clinton urging war on Iraq, four years before 9-11. He signed the PNAC ultimatum to Bush, nine days after 9-11, threatening him with political reprisal if he did not go to war against Iraq. He was executive director of the "Committee for the Liberation of Iraq," a propaganda front for Ahmad Chalabi and his pack of liars who deceived us into war.

    Now Scheunemann is the neocon agent in place in McCain's camp.

    The neocons got their war with Iraq. They are pushing for war on Iran. And they are now baiting the Russian Bear.

    Is this what McCain has on offer? Endless war?

    Why would McCain seek foreign policy counsel from the same discredited crowd that has all but destroyed the presidency of George Bush?

    "Against the insidious wiles of foreign influence ... a free people ought to be constantly awake," Washington warned in his Farewell Address. Our Founding Father was warning against the Randy Scheunemanns among us, agents hired by foreign powers to deceive Americans into fighting their wars. And none dare call it treason.
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    "The world doesn't know the truth about what happened in Tskhinvali, there is a huge manipulation of public opinion happening now," he said.
    Obviously, as most of Russian media is state-controlled. :p

    And what especially animates me, it shouldn't mean them using us to get at Russia, as though we are a dumb weapon at their disposal, in some petty attempt to get even for past wrongs.
    As you've pointed out recently, familiarity breeds contempt, so the matter is very simple: the state interests of Russia and the national interests of the Baltic countries are mutually exclusive given the current character of Russian foreign politics. What the peoples of the Baltic area do not wish to see (well, depending on political orientation, naturally) is a revisiting of past "wrongs".

    Here we have a President and his Secretary of State condemning Russia and supporting Georgia without one single word of mention of the Georgian war crimes which started this whole sorry affair.
    The sheer naiveté of not being able to see through old Soviet-style tricks. Everything, from circumstances and timing to outcome, serve the interests of the Russian state.

    From a Germanic perspective, no, there's no reason nor obligation to give a rat's ass about the non-Germanic peripheria of Russia. But Germanic nations ought to be disillusioned about the motives of the Russian state and possible notions of her impotence and docility on the geo-political arena (also common anti-alarmist arguments in Finland), because the next possible major clash of Russian and Germanic interests will likely ensue from the shared borders within the Arctic region:

    A new map of the Arctic outlines what will undoubtedly be the decade's biggest geographical carve-up between nations.

    "The map is the most precise depiction yet of the limits and the future dividing lines that could be drawn across the Arctic region," says Martin Pratt, director of research at the University of Durham's International Boundaries Research Unit.

    Canada, Russia, the United States, Norway, Denmark and Iceland are rushing to stake claims on the Arctic seabed with the UN Commission on the Limits of the Continental Shelf, a race which made headlines last year when a Russian submarine planted a flag on the seafloor beneath the North Pole.

    http://environment.newscientist.com/...c-carveup.html
    http://media.newscientist.com/data/i.../dn14475D1.pdf

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    our world -- and theirs??

    Georgia conflict: Russian parliament votes to recognise independent Ossetia

    The Russian parliament has voted unanimously to recognise Georgia’s breakaway regions as independent, in a move that will increase tensions with the US and other Western nations.

    Telegraph 25 Aug 2008


    The Duma vote is not legally binding, as president Dimitry Medvedev must decide whether to ratify it, but the move will add weight to Russian efforts to reassert its influence in the former Soviet Union..........

    If it goes ahead Russia will become the first member of the United Nations to recognise South Ossetia and Abkhazia as countries.

    The move follows intense fighting between Russia and Georgia over South Ossetia.

    (( did all this begin with the dividing up of Serbia by the West ??))

    Both regions won de facto independence in the 1990s after wars with Georgia, and have have relied on Russia's financial, political and military support for their survival....

    Critics say the conflict in Georgia is a sign of increasing assertiveness on the part of the Kremlin, which is becoming more and more willing to use military force outside its borders to achieve its ends.

    After Georgia tried to retake South Ossetia by force on August 7, Russian troops overwhelmed the Georgians, and for nearly two weeks occupied positions deep within Georgia. Most of those forces have withdrawn.......

    The fighting has brought relations between Russia and the West to a post-Cold War low, as Western nations accuse Russia of falling short of its commitment to withdraw forces from its smaller neighbour.

    French President Nicolas Sarkozy is convening a special meeting of European Union leaders to determine the next steps the EU will take in terms of aid to Georgia and future relations with Russia. France holds the EU's rotating presidency.

    French Foreign Minister Bernard Kouchner, however, said that the EU was not considering any sanctions against Russia.

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    perhaps the west should punish Russia by not buying its gas ....
    Lets put it to the Germans.........

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jute View Post

    A lone soldier stands near a burning apartment block in Gori, Georgia. Far from
    any military installations and not even in South Ossetia, it had been targetted
    for reasons unknown by Russian bombers earlier that day.


    A Georgian civilian in Gori killed by Russia and his mourning relative








    No one yet knows how many Georgians who were inside these bombed buildings, are now dead.
    Lol, I have already seen certain of these pictures taken by the photograph "David Mdzinarishvili"...
    It was there: http://www.tlaxcala.es/detail_artist...&reference=197

    Welcome to Georgia!



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