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    Georgia Says Russian Tanks Mean 'War' in South Ossetia

    Georgia says Russian tanks mean 'war' in South Ossetia

    Russia sent troops and dozens of tanks and armoured vehicles into the breakaway Georgian province of South Ossetia today, vowing to protect its citizens in a move described by Tbilisi's pro-Western Government as an act of war.

    A South Ossetian rebel minister said that more than 1,000 people had been killed in overnight shelling of the city of Tskhinvali, the separatist capital which Georgia claimed today to have captured.

    In probably the most serious regional crisis since the collapse of the Soviet Union in 1991, at least 50 Russian tanks – and possibly many more – rumbled through the Roki tunnel, which cuts through the Caucasus mountains separating South Ossetia from the Russian province of North Ossetia.

    The Russian incursion came after Georgian forces moved to regain control of the region that broke away along with rebel Abkhazia in the 1990s. Russia backs the separatists in both provinces and has its own peacekeeping forces there.

    "One hundred and fifty Russian tanks, armoured personnel carriers and other vehicles have entered South Ossetia," President Saakashvili of Georgia told reporters in Tbilisi. "This is a clear intrusion on another country’s territory. We have Russian tanks on our territory, jets on our territory in broad daylight."

    Mr Saakashvili added that Georgian forces had downed two Russian jet fighters over Georgian territory.

    Georgia mobilised its reservists yesterday and launched a massive offensive overnight. Fighting raged today around the city of Tskhinvali, the regional capital, as Georgian troops backed by tanks and warplanes pounded separatist forces,

    Eduard Kokoity, the South Ossetian rebel leader, said that there were "hundreds of dead civilians" in the city. His Nationalities Minister, Teimuraz Kasaev, put the number at "more than a thousand".

    A senior Russian military commander said parts of Russia’s 58th army were approaching the rebel capital.

    "We cannot allow the deaths of our countrymen to go unpunished. The guilty parties will receive the punishment they deserve," President Medvedev told a meeting of his security council in the Kremlin.

    "I am obliged to protect the lives and dignity of Russian citizens, no matter where they are located."

    Mr Medvedev's predecessor, Vladimir Putin, now Prime Minister, warned on a visit to Beijing, where he attended the Olympic opening ceremony, that the Georgian action would bring "retaliatory measures".

    Both Nato and the White House appealed for an end to the fighting as international diplomacy went into overdrive and Mr Putin discussed the crisis with President Bush at a gathering ahead of the Olympic ceremony. A US official said that 100 American military trainers working in Georgia were all safe.

    The International Committee of the Red Cross called for the establishment of a "humanitarian corridor" through South Ossetia.

    South Ossetian officials said that much of Tskhinvali had been destroyed in the Georgian offensive. A Reuters correspondent some two miles from the city said that the roar of warplanes and the explosions of heavy shells was deafening and many houses were ablaze.

    The area is of strategic importance, largely because of the BTC oil pipeline, which runs through central Georgia just south of the breakaway region. The pipeline – which features in the 1999 James Bond film The World is Not Enough – pumps around one per cent of global crude supplies from the Caspian to the Turkish port of Ceyhan for export to Western Europe but is already closed because of an attack in Turkey last week by the Kurdish separatist organisation PKK.

    Mr Saakashvili, a US-educated lawyer who succeeded Eduard Shevardnadze in 2004 and has since tried to align it more closely to the West, compared the Russian action with the invasion of Afghanistan in 1979 and appealed to the outside world to intervene.

    "Russia is fighting a war with us in our own territory," he told CNN as Russian armour rolled into South Ossetia.

    "It’s not about Georgia anymore. It’s about America, its values: we are a freedom-loving nation that is right now under attack."

    Tensions between Georgia and Russia have been rising over the last few months over South Ossetia and Abkhazia.

    Georgia accuses Russia of fermenting trouble in both regions and supporting the separatist governments as a way to put pressure on Georgia and foil its attempts to join Nato. Russia has given out passports to a majority of South Ossetians and Abkhazians.


    Source: http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/new...cle4486208.ece
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    Russia: Troops in South Ossetia to enforce peace



    TBLISI, Georgia (CNN) -- Russian President Dmitry Medvedev said Saturday that Russian peacekeepers are "trying to force Georgians to cease fire" in the conflict over the breakaway Georgian territory of South Ossetia, according to Russia's Interfax news agency.

    A Russian army unit arrived Saturday at a Russian peacekeepers' base in South Ossetia where several troops were reported killed a day earlier, Interfax said. A convoy of Russian armored vehicles rolled into South Ossetia on Friday in what the Russian government said was an effort to reinforce the peacekeepers already there.

    Interfax said 15 peacekeepers were killed in the Friday attack by Georgian troops. Russia has opened a criminal probe into their deaths, Interfax reported.

    Bombs rocked Tbilisi early Saturday morning as the fighting intensified and moved into the Georgian capital.

    Government buildings, including the Parliament, were evacuated when the bombs fell.

    Heavy casualties have reported on both sides since Russian forces moved Friday into South Ossetia, a pro-Russian autonomous region of Georgia.

    Russian bombers were targeting Georgia's economic infrastructure, National Security Council secretary Alexander Lomaia said, including the country's largest Black Sea port, Poti, and the main road connecting the southern part of Georgia with the east and the airport.

    Georgian television reported that the port had been destroyed.

    Georgia, a former Soviet state, sent troops into South Ossetia on Thursday, aiming to crack down on the separatists, who want independence or unification with North Ossetia, which is in Russia. Russia responded Friday, sending troops into the Georgian province where it had peacekeepers stationed.

    "I saw bodies lying on the streets, around ruined buildings, in cars," Lyudmila Ostayeva, a resident of the South Ossetia capital, Tskhinvali, told The Associated Press on Friday.

    "It's impossible to count them now. There is hardly a single building left undamaged," she said after fleeing to a village near the Russian border, AP reported.

    "They are killing civilians, women and children, with heavy artillery and rockets," Sarmat Laliyev, 28, told AP.

    One U.S. State Department official called the conflict a "very dangerous situation" and said diplomatic moves are afoot around the globe to stop it.

    Georgia -- on the Black Sea coast between Russia and Turkey -- appealed for diplomatic intervention.

    Georgia asked the United States for planes to bring back its 2,000 troops serving as part of the U.S.-led coalition in Iraq, a U.S. official said.

    "All day today, they've been bombing Georgia from numerous warplanes and specifically targeting [the] civilian population, and we have scores of wounded and dead among [the] civilian population all around the country," Georgia's president, Mikhail Saakashvili, said Friday. "This is the worst nightmare one can encounter."

    Russia's ambassador to United Nations, Vitaly Churkin, put the blame on the Tblisi government.

    "What is going on is a massive bombardment of residential quarters in Tshkinvali and other towns, too," Churkin said.

    Eduard Kokoity, head of the rebel government in South Ossetia, said that 1,400 people were killed in the province, according to Russia's Interfax news agency.


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    Russian Aggression and imperialism.:

    So, A country in Russia's self-declared "sphere of influence" [more precisely, zone of domination] dares to assert its independence and national sovereignty. ...Uh-oh. A big mistake. Russia immediately declares a furious war against them, with its tanks moving in and its bombs dropping. The Russians mumble something about defending rights of some provisional government [its puppet]. They are even so bold to claim "victimhood", while Russian bombs kill thousands of people and its armies invade foreign soil of a small neighboring state.

    I have heard this story before, countless times throughout the centuries, and many times in the 20th century alone. The message to any country in Russia's self-declared 'sphere of influence': "Do Not Resist What Glorious Russia Dictates, Or You Will Be Killed". The message to others outside their Empire is similar. Resisting Russia means death from above and invasion (IF the state resisting Russia is weak.)

    I pray that Georgia survives this fanatical Russian aggression. If the Western world were weaker than it is, you could expect Russia to annex Georgia outright in the coming days.

    Those who are unsure on The Russian Question, take note that this Georgian situation is the nature of Russian foreign policy. Plain and simple.

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    Ethnic Russians want to join Russia. What is the problem?






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    Future Scenario analogy

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    Ethnic Russians want to join Russia. What is the problem?
    Ethnic Mexicans in Texas want to join Mexico. What is the problem?

    Mexico is in its right to attack U.S. soldiers in Texas, and to bomb Houston, Dallas, etc, because the U.S.A. oppresses the rights of ethnic Mexicans?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernBoy View Post
    Ethnic Russians want to join Russia.
    There are extremely few "ethnic" Russians in Southern Ossetia. The reasons for Russian aggression in this region should be sought elsewhere. This conflict will probably be decisive for the future map of Europe.

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    Hard to believe that the Georgians are this stupid, they've been needling the Russians for years and now they've given the Russians a (somewhat valid) pretext to attack them.

    One thing it will show these eastern European countries is that being in NATO means jack, there's supposed to be an obligation to provide assistance, but there's not even the slightest chance any NATO country capable of doing anything will left a finger to help.

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    Here are some military updates of the punishment Russia is dealing to small Georgia for daring to assert sovereignty over its own land.

    Russian military aircraft also bombed the Georgian town of Gori [outside South Ossetia] on Saturday. An Associated Press reporter who visited Gori shortly afterward saw several apartment buildings in ruins, some still on fire, and scores of dead bodies and bloodied civilians. The elderly, women and children were among the victims.

    Russia's foreign minister said that Georgia brought the airstrikes upon itself, and warned that the small Caucasus country should expect more attacks.
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    Overnight, Russian warplanes continued bombing, this time the Vaziani military base on the outskirts of the Georgian capital and near the Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline. He also said two other military bases were hit, and that warplanes bombed the Black Sea port city of Poti, which has a sizable oil shipment facility.

    Georgia, meanwhile, said it has shot down 10 Russian planes, including four brought down Saturday, according to Kakha Lomaya, head of Georgia's Security Council.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080809/..._south_ossetia
    10 planes shot down! Do you know how hard it is to shoot down a modern jet aircraft? Think how many bombing flights the angry Russians have sent over Georgian territory, for Georgia to have gotten 10!

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    Russia, wants its Empire(Union) back. They've been messing around with the Ukraine as well during the past number of years. But all these people have been bitter enemies for a long time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crimson Guard View Post
    Russia, wants its Empire(Union) back.
    That was a perfect summary of the matter.

    Quote Originally Posted by rivalin View Post
    One thing it will show these eastern European countries is that being in NATO means jack, there's supposed to be an obligation to provide assistance, but there's not even the slightest chance any NATO country capable of doing anything will left a finger to help.
    Georgia is not a member of NATO. There has only been talk of them joining in the future. They, like every state near Russia, wants to enter NATO for protection from arbitrary Russian aggression.

    That is why the proGermanic Baltic states so eagerly joined NATO and the EU, as soon as possible. Thanks to the SovietUnion policy of settling Russians in those states, there are huge numbers of ethnic Russians in Lettland ["Latvia"] and Estonia. Letts are outnumbered by Russians in all of their own large cities, and half of Estonia's capital is Russian. Russia could easily invade those two states on the exact same pretext that they have attacked and invaded Georgia in the past 36 hrs ("oppression of Russians"). The same is in any number of other states, Ukraine is another example.

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