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    Oh please. There may be something to say on the subject of the UFC watering down the rules from the original NHB days, but to try and claim the whole thing is faked like the WWE is ridiculous. People don't cut themselves, punches are not pulled, and anyone with a speck of intelligence can see that the high kicks that people throw do actually knock people out for real.

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    Obviously not a lot of well trained fighters and not a lot of intelligent fighters in the MMA. I think most people that are really good at martial arts or really intelligent are not going to go in the ring and get their head knocked around. That's honestly why I don't fight. I would like to train and do it for fun but I don't want to loose brain cells. So obviously the people fighting are usually people who don't have much to loose.
    MMA has world champion kickboxers, boxers, submission wrestling world champs, olympic judokas, BJJ world champions, and black belts of just about every art out there all fighting within it. Fedor Emelianenko became the national champion of both Sambo and Judo in his homecountry before he went into MMA.

    The people fighting are making millions out of their athletic ability, which is a far more intelligent thing to do than spending your life mastering an art just to never use it.

    And for someone going on about intelligence and brain cells you might want to check your spelling. It's 'lose' not 'loose'.

    I would just love to see people do different styles like in the old days see some kung fu out there and some karate etc.
    They do, it's just that the vast majority of people whose sole training is in traditional martial arts like karate and kung fu do terribly at real fighting and never make it to the top. The sole exception would be Lyoto Machida, who is a top ranked fighter from a karate background.
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    The heyday of Pride was by far the best, but declined after the combined rules. You cannot seriously have an MMA match without the four-point attack, kicks to a downed opponent, etc. The only thing bad about Pride was the no-elbow rule and the silly boxing ring. The UFC was better when there was more blood, now it seems there is rarely ever blood. The fighters are more concerned with hugging and hand slapping every few minutes or so which completely ruins the fighter attitude--is this a fight or a soap opera? The worst thing about the UFC though is its terrible commentators. Why does he yell out his stupid opinions? Pride commentators were much more learned, professional and funny as hell. After all, MMA is entertainment. If someone who always falls down when he tries a high kick then it is appropriate to make a joke out of it. Really, anyone who cannot kick without falling down, usually wrestlers, doesn't belong in MMA. MMA seems to be dominated by one-dimensional fighters who merely wrestle, ground and pound, and occasionally throw a leg up for a triangle (really hard is it?), or box for three rounds.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelcynn Beorn View Post
    They do, it's just that the vast majority of people whose sole training is in traditional martial arts like karate and kung fu do terribly at real fighting and never make it to the top. The sole exception would be Lyoto Machida, who is a top ranked fighter from a karate background.
    Some of the very best fighters in the world come from a karate background. Andy Hug is obvious. Really good karate guys just don't compete in MMA. Most of the really good karate guys are in the Shotokan and Kyokushin organisations. They aren't sport oriented arts, and MMA is not "real fighting". However, when they do compete, they win--as Machida shows. And Machida isn't the sole exception--he's just an example of a top level Karateka. Liddell and St.Pierre are also champions based in Karate. They cross-train like everyone else, but Karate is their primary fighting style.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gestr View Post
    Some of the very best fighters in the world come from a karate background. Andy Hug is obvious. Really good karate guys just don't compete in MMA. Most of the really good karate guys are in the Shotokan and Kyokushin organisations. They aren't sport oriented arts, and MMA is not "real fighting". However, when they do compete, they win--as Machida shows. And Machida isn't the sole exception--he's just an example of a top level Karateka. Liddell and St.Pierre are also champions based in Karate. They cross-train like everyone else, but Karate is their primary fighting style.
    Shotokan and Kyokushin are both intensely sport oriented arts, to say otherwise is a nonsense. And MMA is far closer to real fighting than Kyokushin is, let alone Shotokan.

    Also, just because Liddell and St. Pierre trained in karate whilst children does not mean that karate is the reason they became champions. Liddell has absolutely nothing in his fighting style that looks karate, and St Pierre is most famous for his wrestling ability and athleticism. Machida is the only top level fighter who is based in karate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Angelcynn Beorn View Post
    Shotokan and Kyokushin are both intensely sport oriented arts, to say otherwise is a nonsense. And MMA is far closer to real fighting than Kyokushin is, let alone Shotokan.

    Also, just because Liddell and St. Pierre trained in karate whilst children does not mean that karate is the reason they became champions. Liddell has absolutely nothing in his fighting style that looks karate, and St Pierre is most famous for his wrestling ability and athleticism. Machida is the only top level fighter who is based in karate.
    Traditional Shotokan is not a sport style whatsoever, and MMA is nothing like a real no-hold fight. In traditional Shotokan, they don't even wear gloves like they do in MMA; they just knock each other out.

    Liddell trains in karate to this very day. His primary trainer for his UFC fights, is the same Kempo Karate instructor he's used all his life. St Pierre is certainly not known primarily for his wrestling, and athleticism isn't a fighting style I'm aware of. St. Pierre trained in Kyokushin for roughly 10 years. Many top MMA fighters are primarily Karate-based as far as their standup fighting.
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    Liddell trains in karate to this very day. His primary trainer for his UFC fights, is the same Kempo Karate instructor he's used all his life. St Pierre is certainly not known primarily for his wrestling (are you serious?), and athleticism isn't a fighting style I'm aware of. St. Pierre trained in Kyokushin for roughly 10 years. Many top MMA fighters are primarily Karate-based as far as their standup fighting.
    First of all Kempo isn't a traditional karate style, it's a hybrid fighting system that traces it's origins back to 1970's Hawaii. Secondly since his demolition of Hughes and Penn the talk about St Pierre has been about almost nothing other than his wrestling ability.

    I said St Pierre is famous for his athleticism, but nowhere did i ever say that it was a fighting style.

    Lastly, name these fighters.
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    "I do boxing, wrestling, Muay Thai, jujitsu -- that’s the four disciplines that I do. I also do sprinting and strength-conditioning."

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    As we prepare for Armageddon, MMA can become distracting. It's awesome, but only ONE type of combat. White warriors need comprehensive fighting skills, i.e., weapons, as in GUNS.

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    I love MMA, Marloes Coenen is godlike.

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    Disipline, strenght, technique-skills, balance...she got it all.

    Get to the kitchen and get her a beer guys

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