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    Soy-Based Foods May Lower Sperm Count

    CHICAGO (Reuters) - Eating a half serving a day of soy-based foods could be enough to significantly lower a man's sperm count, U.S. researchers said on Wednesday.

    The study is the largest in humans to look at the relationship between semen quality and a plant form of the female sex hormone estrogen known as phytoestrogen, which is plentiful in soy-rich foods.

    "What we found was men that consume the highest amounts of soy foods in this study had a lower sperm concentration compared to those who did not consume soy foods," said Dr. Jorge Chavarro of the Harvard School of Public Health in Boston, whose study appears in the journal Human Reproduction.
    http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/200807...y-011ccfa.html

    Interestingly it was the overweight men who also consumed soy products that were worse, a combination of factors methinks. However this is a very small sample size.

    Well for a while I've been asking a friend to find such a study, it appears that there haven't been many done. Maybe I'll consider not feeding him soya milk from now on, or perhapse he should get more??
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    I've heard that smoking pot messes with your bodies testosterone and lets estrogen have its way with your body too.

    Come to think of it most vegan stoners I know are a bunch of complaining wimps.

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    Many were aware of this for some time, but its been pushed by certain health advocates for unknown reasons as an alternate for milk protein and such. I never tried this stuff even as a weightlifter. These Soy foods are normally consumed in East Asian nations by Mongoloids.

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    By extension it is also good for women who are undergoing the menopause and also as a prophylactic for the menopause.

    If I were a lady I would eat a lot of tofu.

    I like a bit of tofu now and again. I think that we have more to worry about animals which have been fed hormones to make them grow faster or become more fertile.

    Italy was the first country in Europe to ban this practice after studies revealed that hormone-fed chickens were producing a proliferation of men with well-developed moobs. The male embonpoint is certainly an acquired taste all of its own, never mind the 'fermona', which is word of Italian origin referring to 'a not unattractive moustache on a lady'.

    Nature seems to be full of natural oestrogen mimicks, but there are also plants which are good for encouraging male virility such as fennel, licorice and the Indian herb ashwagandha, which I used to consume buckets of when I was really mad about hatha yoga.

    Tofu is pitta-balancing, which means that it is good to cure/ameliorate redness of the skin, inflammations, heat in the body, irritation, high-summer hot weather, acne and allergic and toxic responses.

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    I've heard that smoking pot messes with your bodies testosterone and lets estrogen have its way with your body too.

    Come to think of it most vegan stoners I know are a bunch of complaining wimps.
    You mean like all women?

    Also, see Moobs.

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    I don't think this study is brand new. I've read similar things before, and likewise, I've read studies that claim the exact opposite. The problem is, with growing worldwide health concerns over organic foods and meat consumption, and vegetarianism become somewhat less of a taboo, there is a war going on. It is a propaganda war between the suffering dairy industry and the emerging soy industry. Each has a lot at stake and each will do whatever it takes to prove that the other is unhealthy. I don't really know which side to believe but I try to minimise my soy intake anyway in order to have a varied source of protein.

    In response to the anti-soy article, here's one dispelling many of the negative myths about soy:
    http://www.t-nation.com/article/most...s_the_big_deal
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cythraul View Post
    I don't really know which side to believe but I try to minimise my soy intake anyway in order to have a varied source of protein.
    Yeah, me too, but I still need to have a beancurd binge blow out now and again, and I think that it is really good for pitta flare-ups (which I suffer from sometimes because I have pitta-dosha), skin problems generally, and also dieting for weight-loss.

    For instance, it is possible to follow the hardcore vegan Atkins diet by consuming tofu, because lentils are not appropriate for the Atkins diet because of the carbohydrate content that they have.

    I can happily live on tofu and steamed greens and vegetable juices for a few weeks. I did this in Bali and I felt great.

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    Cythraul, Thats a really interesting article there and I think one that should be read by anyone who can't be bothered to search out all the studies themselves
    It does however say what we all knew and what F.I.A has said, that unprocessed or lightly processed soy in moderation is fine. Now isn't that what is said about all foods?
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    Perhaps soy nuts themselves are better to some extent, rather than all the processed stuff, but I think men should stay away from them in general. As they aid in the production of estrogen which isnt a myth.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soybean


    There's a write here on the possible health risks of soy consumption:


    http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm

    I guess its matter of eat at your risk so to speak, I personally dont care for them. I rather stick with sunflower seeds, cashews, raisins ect.

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