Skadi Forum
 

Welcome to Skadi Forum, the largest Germanic online community forum where you can join over 45,000 members from around the world discussing all things of concern to you. To gain full access to Skadi Forum you must register for a free account. As a registered member you will be able to:
  • Participate in over 100 topic forums and browse from over 800,000 posts.
  • Communicate privately with other members from around the world.
  • Post your own images and documents or access from over 70,000 files.
  • Gain access to special insider forums not available to guests.
All this and much more is available to you absolutely free when you register for an account, so sign up today!

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, please contact support. If you have questions about the permissible content, please read the Skadi Forum disclaimer and the Skadi Forum rules.

Go Back   Skadi Forum > > Germanic Europe & Outlying Islands > England
Register FAQ Rules Donate Arcade Members List Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read

England Dedicated to general historical, social, linguistic, political and cultural topics pertinent to the English.

North-South Divide in England; Danelaw vs Anglo-Saxons?

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old Sunday, January 16th, 2011   #41
flâneur
Senior Member
 
flâneur's Avatar
 
Last Seen: Wednesday, June 27th, 2012
Join Date: Sep 2010
Status: Prolonged Absence
Ethnicity: English
Subrace: Nordid
Country: England
Gender: Male
Family: Married
Posts: 1,014
flâneur is considered wise by the elders.flâneur is considered wise by the elders.flâneur is considered wise by the elders.flâneur is considered wise by the elders.flâneur is considered wise by the elders.flâneur is considered wise by the elders.flâneur is considered wise by the elders.

Quote:
Originally Posted by RoyBatty View Post
Tommy, how would you define superiority?
Northern hemisphere = superior.

Southern hemishpere apart from Australia/NZ = Inferior.
Attached Thumbnails
Click image for larger version

Name:	800px-North_South_divide.svg.png
Views:	26
Size:	77.9 KB
ID:	107288  
flâneur is offline Quote this post in a PM   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to flâneur For This Useful Post:
Old Sunday, January 16th, 2011   #42
flâneur
Senior Member
 
flâneur's Avatar
 
Last Seen: Wednesday, June 27th, 2012
Join Date: Sep 2010
Status: Prolonged Absence
Ethnicity: English
Subrace: Nordid
Country: England
Gender: Male
Family: Married
Posts: 1,014
flâneur is considered wise by the elders.flâneur is considered wise by the elders.flâneur is considered wise by the elders.flâneur is considered wise by the elders.flâneur is considered wise by the elders.flâneur is considered wise by the elders.flâneur is considered wise by the elders.

I have also read that there is not only a north south divide in Germany but also an east west,as the people living in what was east Germany regarded as backward and lazy....and not only that i have read about Prussians regarding western Germans as "Those black haired bastards from the west of Berlin".

Not to mention Yankees regarding southern Americans as backwoods redneck yokels......it all gets a bit confusing.

What is consistent though is the language difference.
In the north of England they speak a harsh dialect of English where in the south we speak a lazy version of English.
Same goes for France,Germany,Italy and even the US...i say the US but have never been there so im going on what ive seen on "The dukes of hazard " here,with Bo and Luke cockin a snoop at the laaawman
flâneur is offline Quote this post in a PM   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to flâneur For This Useful Post:
Old Sunday, January 16th, 2011   #43
Schattenjäger
Senior Member
 
Schattenjäger's Avatar
 
Last Seen: Tuesday, November 22nd, 2011
Join Date: Sep 2010
Ethnicity: German
Ancestry: Schlesien
Subrace: Nordid
Country: Germany
State: Silesia
Location: rural areas (for now)
Gender: Male
Family: Youth
Occupation: would-be historian
Posts: 517
Schattenjäger 's opinion is sought out by learned men.Schattenjäger 's opinion is sought out by learned men.Schattenjäger 's opinion is sought out by learned men.Schattenjäger 's opinion is sought out by learned men.Schattenjäger 's opinion is sought out by learned men.

Fascinating. I never suspected that in England such archaic remains of old conquerors are still alive!
Schattenjäger is offline Quote this post in a PM   Reply With Quote
Old Wednesday, July 13th, 2011   #44
JosephSmith
Member
 
JosephSmith's Avatar
 
Last Seen: Wednesday, January 25th, 2012
Join Date: Jul 2011
Status: Available
Ethnicity: English
Ancestry: England, Norway, Ireland
Subrace: Alpinid
Country: England
State: Yorkshire
Location: North Yorkshire
Gender: Male
Age: 22
Family: Single adult
Occupation: Engineering apprentice
Politics: Libertarian
Religion: Atheist
Posts: 45
JosephSmith 's reputation has not travelled afar.

http://www.viking.no/e/england/e-yorkshire_norse.htm
I found this link quite interesting, allot of the words even I use are closely derived from old norse. As well as places near me like Whitby, York, Kirby moorside, Selby.
JosephSmith is offline Quote this post in a PM   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to JosephSmith For This Useful Post:
Old Friday, August 5th, 2011   #45
Huginnsanvil
Senior Member
 
Huginnsanvil's Avatar
 
Last Seen: Thursday, August 25th, 2011
Join Date: Aug 2011
Ethnicity: Anglo-Hibernian
Ancestry: Northumberland and Wexford
Country: England
State: Northumberland
Location: Gateshead England
Gender: Male
Family: Single adult
Occupation: Teacher
Politics: Folkish
Religion: Northern Gnosticism
Posts: 49
Huginnsanvil shows some promise.

600 places ending in by? there's more than that in the parish I was born in. Crosby, Easby, Wetherby, Corby, Newby and on and on. In fact they found a Viking burial ground near Wetheral. The best in the land I believe. Not much written about it though. In the Blood Of The Vikings series Cumbrians in Penrith had the clearest Y chromosome links to modern Norwegians which is hardly shocking considering the heavy Norwegian settlement there. There are thousands of places in the Cumbrian highlands showing the Norse roots of the place. There are British roots too however, stronger than in the neighbouring counties. There is the Gosforth Cross and Bewcastle crosses which are among the finest examples of England's Germanic heritage anywhere. Even the Cathedral at Carlisle has a runic inscription carved into the sandstone. I recommend a book "Thorstein Of the Mere" if you can get it. About Thurstan Water in the Lakes and a young Viking settler. The dialect too is unintelligible to outsiders especially from the south.

The North - South divide betrays an astonishing cultural and ethnic gap. I found this out working amongst English southerners in Germany who had the attitude that I just didn't deserve to be there teaching English and looked upon me as some sort of fecking barbarian. The phonetic standard English alphabet just didn't apply to me. Yet I probably had a greater command of English than they did. There just isn't many lads or lasses from my region who end up in places like that doing what I was doing. A lot of the office staff at the school were studenty, homosexual and home counties middle class types like so not into old values yahhh??? so I used to work them by coming in and going. "Hu ya gannin wha fettle?" needless to say I didn't really fit in with these arseholes and later on when I worked in Devon briefly I was often asked if I was Ukranian or Polish by the English staff for f##k's sake.

You can't make sweeping generalisations of course but traditionally we've had the shitty end of the stick and the levels of geographical and general ignorance concerning the north amongst average southerners is astonishing. They're more likely to have been to Paris or Athens than Carlisle or Newcastle. I wouldn't even regard Manchester as North. Unbelievable and tragic.

We are a closer bunch, more family oriented, less open to fads and fashions and more 'earthy' so to speak. My best mates are Danish and there's not much difference between us. When I say Ahm gaan yam they knew what I meant. Maybe we are Danes. Whatever it is it's both fascinating and appalling at the same time.
Huginnsanvil is offline Quote this post in a PM   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Huginnsanvil For This Useful Post:
Old Sunday, August 7th, 2011   #46
Berrocscir
Senior Member
 
Berrocscir's Avatar
 
Last Seen: 14 Hours Ago
Join Date: Feb 2008
Ethnicity: English
Ancestry: Oxon, Bucks and Ulster
Country: England
State: Wessex
Location: North Wessex
Gender: Male
Age: 45
Politics: Nationalism, Neoreactionary
Religion: God the father
Posts: 725
Berrocscir is noble of speech.Berrocscir is noble of speech.Berrocscir is noble of speech.

Quote:
Originally Posted by TommyAtkins View Post
Northern hemisphere = superior.

Southern hemishpere apart from Australia/NZ = Inferior.
Bit disrespectful to the Boers is it not?
__________________
My Blog
Berrocscir is offline Quote this post in a PM   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Berrocscir For This Useful Post:
Old Monday, September 12th, 2011   #47
Edie
Account Inactive
 
Last Seen: Friday, April 27th, 2012
Join Date: Jul 2011
Ethnicity: Scottish
Ancestry: Lowlands
Country: United Kingdom
Gender: Female
Posts: 311
Edie 's name is whispered and cursed.

There is an interesting disparity between the perceived "community mindedness" of the two areas which seems to correspond with how they each responded to Christianisation. Traditionally in Germanic communities the social order is built on implicit personal loyalties which ensure fairness between members, oftentimes by way of just revenge. The bonds of kinship demanded monetary or, failing that, blood compensation be extracted should one's family blood be spilt. Homicide was always regarded as a matter for the dead man's family members to deal with; indeed, according to Anglo-Saxon law it was their duty to obtain a "wergild" ("man-price") so as not to run contrary to the social order, regardless of personal feeling. Such was the cohesiveness of the family unit in the traditional Germanic society that the slayer's family members were deemed liable for his crime by extension unless they renounced him (and thereby their right to claim his wergild). The wronged warrior seeking vengeance is a common theme in Germanic literature. The sentiment seems to be the basis of enshrined notions of social justice which have come to characterise the Germanic peoples, and which, after Christian tinkering, have been turned inside out to apply equally to all the world's riff raff instead of one's immediate kin and community.

The negotiating of the wergild in Christianised Anglo-Saxon England was assumed by the Church and thereby God Himself (lest the people hold to their pre-Christian ideas of personal responsibility to one's soil and people). The Church's constant gobbling up of the social roles traditionally accorded to the people helped establish the hierarchical, "entrust it to authority" attitude that underlies the Anglosphere class system today.

In the Danelaw area, where Christianity met with Viking-spirited resistance and was staved off for longer, the just feuds and 'wildness' continued long after the rest of the country had been more or less tamed. To the Scandinavian mind, honour mattered, and a blood vendetta was always more honourable than compensation divvied out by an authority. The conversion of Danish leaders like Guthrum (Æthelstan) were largely political concessions, and indeed Christian ideas did not fully filter down to the people of the north as they did those of the south, which is attested by the persistence of many pagan traditions in the former after Christianisation. This probably contributed to their keeping the Germanic mindset and traditions for longer, which would have been compounded by England's being cut off from the Scandinavian world after 1066. The way of life in the north, therefore, being relatively removed from urban/administrative regions of the south and the Nordic sphere of influence (discounting the Frenchified invaders' provenance ) would have preserved Germanic ways in many respects for longer there than in other regions of England. So today, the traditional north is very probably the more loyal to Germanic modes of being -- which are, of course, more 'backward' and 'unpolished' in the Christianity-moulded worldview.

(Of course, a more outlandish view could posit the proximity of England's rugged northern neighbour as an influence on its northern ways. But we like to take the credit for everything. )
Edie is offline Quote this post in a PM   Reply With Quote
The Following 3 Users Say Thank You to Edie For This Useful Post:
Old Monday, September 12th, 2011   #48
BritishLad
Account Inactive
 
Last Seen: Saturday, February 11th, 2012
Join Date: Jul 2010
Status: Available
Ethnicity: Anglo-Viking-Celtic Briton
Ancestry: Yorkshire/Mercia/South Manchester/Abergavenny/Ireland/Scandinavia and Germany
Subrace: Borreby-Brunnid
Country: United Kingdom
State: Yorkshire
Location: Rawcliffe, York
Gender: Male
Age: 23
Family: Single :(
Religion: superstishus
Posts: 1,097
BritishLad is noble of speech.BritishLad is noble of speech.BritishLad is noble of speech.

Quote:
Originally Posted by King Sitric View Post
There is a bit of a joke in Britain/England about 'northern' folk been a bit thick. How do English folk here feel about this?
i agree with jonjon, we do have poorer education levels than the south (which is why many southerners think of us as stupid and thick - notice the way RB called us "thick as planks") but is that necessary a bad thing? Education today has become a way to shove leftist and zionist ideas down kids throats whilst they still dont have the critical thinkin skills to question what theyre bein tought.

However there are also stupid southerners and smart northerners
BritishLad is offline Quote this post in a PM   Reply With Quote
Old Monday, October 31st, 2011   #49
Wulfsige
Senior Member
 
Wulfsige's Avatar
 
Last Seen: Friday, December 16th, 2011
Join Date: Oct 2011
Ethnicity: English
Ancestry: Englisc
Country: England
State: Wessex
Location: Wiltshire
Gender: Male
Age: 52
Family: Married
Occupation: Rune maker
Religion: Odinist
Posts: 127
Wulfsige shows some promise.

This north-south divide rubbish stems from ignorant people from both regions who have never ventured out of there locality. As a wiltshire man and worked pretty much worked all over the country have never considered northerners thick , stupid or otherwise. Generally the biggest differences are the north is more industrialised and harsher winters. You could say the south is also divided, the south east heavily populated and more money generally where as the west is a lot more rural. To say we are all southern softies is a bit ignorant too, spend a few nights on salisbury plain or dartmoor, Quantocks etc, where people work and live all year, mite surprise a few northerners. Anything above the M4 is north to me
Wulfsige is offline Quote this post in a PM   Reply With Quote
The Following User Says Thank You to Wulfsige For This Useful Post:
Old Thursday, December 15th, 2011   #50
Aetheldred
Junior Member
 
Aetheldred's Avatar
 
Last Seen: Monday, March 26th, 2012
Join Date: Nov 2011
Ethnicity: Anglo Saxon
Ancestry: England, The Netherlands, Denmark
Subrace: Don't know
Country: England
State: Wessex
Location: Bristol, south west England
Gender: Male
Family: Single adult
Politics: Anti-multicultural
Religion: Born as Church of England
Posts: 11
Aetheldred 's reputation has not travelled afar.

Quote:
Originally Posted by angriper View Post
In the Wessex area they still rave about how Aelfred fought the 'evil' Vikings and founded England. I still feel there is a different mentality south of the Danelaw region in England to land within in it. Winchester is one place where it can be seen clearly, they have a massive stature of Aelfred with a sword in the main street. Wessex people seem more arrogant, selfish, far removed from scandinavian attitudes and many weathly people own holiday homes in southern France, which they percieve as the height of culture and romance. They drink a lot of wine and never beer, eat soft cheeses, wear as least clothes as possible no matter how fat they are and aspire to finding french partners. Its almost like they try and make themselves french rather that North European.
No! You are very wrong! We are not arrogant and selfish, we don't drink wine and eat soft cheeses! Where on earth did you learn such things! That's quite ridiculous! French? We hate the frogs! We fought them several times! Don't be so ignorant!
Aetheldred is offline Quote this post in a PM   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
The North-South German Divide Sigurd The German Countries 77 Friday, July 24th, 2009 10:57 PM
BBC: North-south health divide remains OneEnglishNorman England 0 Tuesday, October 10th, 2006 12:04 PM
North and South: A Linguistic Divide? Glenlivet England 1 Tuesday, August 1st, 2006 05:50 PM
North/South genetic divide in Europe Polak Population Genetics 32 Monday, July 31st, 2006 01:45 AM



All times are GMT. The time now is 10:30 PM.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.6.12
Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Content Copyright ©2000 - 2016, Skadi.net.
Except where otherwise noted, all content on this site is licensed.
[ Disclaimer ] [ Contact Us ] [ Privacy Statement ]

Powered by Skadi.net  Creative Commons License

Page generated in 1.99828 seconds with 14 queries