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Old Monday, June 11th, 2012   #21
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Don't any of you pro-"keeping this present body alive forever"-guys think it might be a little egocentric - and generally showing a lack of solidarity with the flow of generations that have characterized the life of our Folk since time immemorial - to preserve ones personal body at any cost, and thus occupy the space that might be given to a new member of the Folk?
Egocentrism at its worst...
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Don't any of you pro-"keeping this present body alive forever"-guys think it might be a little egocentric - and generally showing a lack of solidarity with the flow of generations that have characterized the life of our Folk since time immemorial - to preserve ones personal body at any cost, and thus occupy the space that might be given to a new member of the Folk?
Egocentrism at its worst...
I do not believe in preserving the body, if anything I want to develop and improve it. What I want to preserve in consciousness. Regarding your second point, what I really want to achieve is space exploration and colonization. Then we can expand the race as much as we want.

What I think that we all should think about are all those challenges that will come from we ourselves directing our own evolution, in it becoming a directed and planned process rather than a random walk survival of the fittest. What do we want to become? And it is about time that this question is posed and answered as this is not a process that we want to enter blind, or have guided for us by the "usual suspects".
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Don't any of you pro-"keeping this present body alive forever"-guys think it might be a little egocentric - and generally showing a lack of solidarity with the flow of generations that have characterized the life of our Folk since time immemorial - to preserve ones personal body at any cost, and thus occupy the space that might be given to a new member of the Folk?
Egocentrism at its worst...
A "new member of the folk" will most likely become just like most Germanics of today, who are ignorant of their heritage, tolerant of enthic-mixing, immigration, diversity, etc. Instead we should extend the lives of the few that are left who are devoted to preserving the folk. Since they are the ones who understand our problems more than the rest then they would also be the most qualified to find a solution. If they live long enough perhaps a workable plan will eventually emerge that will save our people.
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I do not believe in preserving the body, if anything I want to develop and improve it. What I want to preserve in consciousness. Regarding your second point, what I really want to achieve is space exploration and colonization. Then we can expand the race as much as we want.

What I think that we all should think about are all those challenges that will come from we ourselves directing our own evolution, in it becoming a directed and planned process rather than a random walk survival of the fittest. What do we want to become? And it is about time that this question is posed and answered as this is not a process that we want to enter blind, or have guided for us by the "usual suspects".
Yes, that's definitely an interesting question. Let's just hope our enemies don't use all this new scientific knowledge and technology against us...

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A "new member of the folk" will most likely become just like most Germanics of today, who are ignorant of their heritage, tolerant of enthic-mixing, immigration, diversity, etc.
That depends on their upbringing, what kind of ideals and values they are taught. In fact: if the members of this forum have children, they will be brought up as honorable and aware individuals, valuing their heritage, identity and race. If all cultural marxists etc. attain immortality, they will be even a greater problem than they are today.

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We? Are we the ones who rule the West and can apply these technologies just as we want? I'm afraid not...

Let me just make it clear: I'm sure technology like this could be put to good (but moderate) use in a healthy society governed by honorable and loyal forces. But I can see a lot of problems arising when we begin to apply all this in our present, nihilistic world.
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I hold to the belief that to extend human life unnaturally (in such a way as is elucidated in this article) is to debase it. My reasoning is that each stage of life may find itself robbed of the emotional depth our species gives to it; hence debasing, taking away. Such pursuits befit the soullessness of the Mongoloid or the Jew.
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That depends on their upbringing, what kind of ideals and values they are taught.
Most of them are no longer being raised in the traditional manner by their parents anymore. The internet, fashion magazines, cheap thrill hollywood movies, etc, are now co-parenting each passing generation of Germanic children.

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In fact: if the members of this forum have children, they will be brought up as honorable and aware individuals, valuing their heritage, identity and race.
A few members from this forum would hardly make enough of a dent to influence the rest to act likewise.

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We? Are we the ones who rule the West and can apply these technologies just as we want? I'm afraid not...
I never said or even hinted that we had the power, only speculating.

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Let me just make it clear: I'm sure technology like this could be put to good (but moderate) use in a healthy society governed by honorable and loyal forces. But I can see a lot of problems arising when we begin to apply all this in our present, nihilistic world.
If this technology is given to those who are honorable and loyal then it matters not if we live in an ideal time or this present nihilistic one. They will both still strive for the same results no matter what. Besides, if this were an ideal time to live in then such technology would not be needed in the first place.
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I am more intrigued be the possibilities of scientists getting a much longer careers as this will enable them to amass more knowledge and in several fields and make use of it over a longer time. The dividends from education and competence development will skyrocket.

Imagine if it would become regular to gain dozens of PhDs over one's lifetime. Imagine if one and the same scientist could stay within a field for hundreds of years without dying or retiring, never losing that knowledge and those skills. The rate of technological development would accelerate beyond our wildest expectations.



Have you ever heard of genetic engineering? I am certain that we shortly will be able to produce athletes, even common people, who will outshine all of them combined. And without a doubt we will also be able to modify ourselves to accomplish those things.

I don´t think this will result in too much new research. If you look for example into quantum mechanics and it´s history you realize that most important discoveries are made by very young scientists (schrödinger, pauli etc. where all in their 20ies when making their big discoveries, everything that came after that was much less groundbreaking ) while the older guard was much more a hinderance then a help (well nils bohr was a help, but more as a mentor and defender then a researcher). Look for example at the solveigh conferences. The old guard under the lead of plankh and einstein wanted nothing to do with this new physics and argued against it with everything they had.
This is quite typical in research. Older scientists make discoveries that require lot´s of basic research, but not the really big breakthrough´s, that change a field or form a new one. You see older scientists are often too restricted and too conservative in their minds and their views on certain topics. To bring big changes this kind of thinking is simply not suited. In a way you could say they know too much, and thus think things are impossible, while the young guns havent heard yet it is impossible and thus try, sometimes successfully
Where those older scientists would be a big help is in interdisciplinary work, since they could get a really deep understanding of both fields, but even in these cases more as mentors for young guns then as people who are making the big breakthroughs themselves. They would be also very useful to get large datasets on certain things and analyze them for the young guns. There where quite many cases where this was needed in history. I just remind you of messier, who needed decades too study his nebula´s (originally he just wanted to exclude them on his hunt for comets, so he knew which objects he didnt need to observe any longer), but it was others who made big breakthroughs based on this, and the catalogue is still in use by astronomers today
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