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View Poll Results: Should females have the right to vote in political elections?
Yes 284 65.44%
I am not sure 27 6.22%
No 123 28.34%
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Should Females Have the Right to Vote?

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Old Monday, December 29th, 2008   #91
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For Deary, back in the days when society was more patriarchal, women were treated no better than cattle. I really think you shortchange yourself insofar as your self-worth is concerned. There's hope for you, though, as you get older.
Why do you assume this?
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Old Monday, December 29th, 2008   #92
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Of course women should be allowed to vote. However, there are certain people, especially 18 year olds, who don't understand enough about politics who have the rights to vote and they are also males.
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Why do you assume this?
assume? what do you mean asume???

What do you think "the rule of thumb" means?
The rule of thumb was in medieaval time and unwritten understanding in english Norman times that a man could beat his wife with a rod no thiker than his thumb without aprobium.

The excavated skeletons of ancient greek women married to free greek men (Athens) show malnutrition compared with the male *slaves* (pomerantz :"Goddesses whores and slaves"). the ligaments on the shoulders and elbows of women showed signs of having streched and torn , something indicative of having carried heavy things for long perriods of time, thoughout the years. males showed no such wear and tear.

In 13th Century an english ship averted sinking by tossing overboard not the cargo but the Women on Bord. this was duly reported by the captain i his report
"oh and by the way, because of the gale we threw the women overboard...:"

There is a litany of evidence available is undisputable that women have suffered historically under idiot males.
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I hope that you do know that in Ancient germanic law if a man was challenged to adjudicate a dispute by combat by a peer, and he refused, then that man could be ordered to become the challengers slave, and lose his right to freedom or ever carry a weapon again, never mind "the vote"
What has this to do with women voting?

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No one should have any votes, female or male.
This depends on the people, a Frankling wouldn't even accept to be not part of the decision making, our current masses are fine with it though

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Patriarchy is what's ultimately killing the world as we know it.
Could you elaborate here?

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For Deary, back in the days when society was more patriarchal, women were treated no better than cattle.
Read more Shakespear
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Anfang, there's no need for your lengthy explaination. I was responding to the part which I underlined.
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What do you think "the rule of thumb" means?
The rule of thumb was in medieaval time and unwritten understanding in english Norman times that a man could beat his wife with a rod no thiker than his thumb without aprobium.
No.

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..."Rule of thumb" doesn't refer to wife beating...
For more than 300 years "rule of thumb" has meant what most people think it means: any rough-and-ready method of estimating. It's believed to have originated with woodworkers, who made measurements with their thumbs. For more than 20 years, however, some feminists have maintained that rule of thumb has the darker meaning alluded to above. They say that the principle of regulated wife beating was elucidated in the famous legal commentaries of William Blackstone (1723-'80), the basis of much U.S. common law, and that it prevailed in state courts well into the 19th century.

However, in Blackstone, as Sommers notes, there's no mention of the rule of thumb. We do find the following discussion: "The husband also, by the old law, might give his wife moderate correction . . . in the same moderation that a man is allowed to correct his apprentices or children. . . . But with us, in the politer reign of Charles the Second [1660-'85], this power of correction began to be doubted; and a wife may now have security of the peace against her husband." In other words, once upon a time in olde England, a man could beat his wife. But don't try it now.

Wife beating has never been legal in the U.S. The Massachusetts Bay Colony prohibited it in 1655, religious groups campaigned against it, and vigilantes occasionally horsewhipped men accused of it. Most states had explicitly outlawed it by 1870.
http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...g-wife-beating
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However, in Blackstone, as Sommers notes, there's no mention of the rule of thumb. We do find the following discussion: "The husband also, by the old law, might give his wife moderate correction . . . in the same moderation that a man is allowed to correct his apprentices or children. . . . But with us, in the politer reign of Charles the Second [1660-'85], this power of correction began to be doubted; and a wife may now have security of the peace against her husband." In other words, once upon a time in olde England, a man could beat his wife. But don't try it now.
So we post that it was common to beat the wife and ok, but we have to count on the whims of a hierarchic patriarchal men's order to not abuse..
and you people thank the post. Amazing.


You guys are too much.

Read What it says above.


language and phrases change with time.


The Word Stupid used to mean "Wonderous"



And it could not have too meanings, of course not.

Down (Downwards) and goose Down

Hail ( as in hail Mary) Hail (as in hailstones)

left (as in the left hand) left (as in he left her house)
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I'd be happy to read any sources you provide.
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I'd be happy to read any sources you provide.
I will look for sources, I do not you may not be right. I could have very well been hoodwinked into believing that the provenance of the Phraze was twofold and that in fact it is a concoction on the part of feminists.
I will look.

What is Bothersome is that in the above post I quote your post, which you posted in order to refute my statement in which it clearly states that there was an asumed male right to beat their wife, and you are not at all interested in this apalling reality. and then two people thank your posts because you have somehow "debunked my statement" when in fact the very text that You used proves that men had the "right" to beat their wives!!!

This discourse was at a place where Brynhild had rightfully brought brought up the spectre of nonaccountable abusive males making life for women Hell -*again*. I make a post, and then you "refute" one of 3 examples, ant this is somehow a victory for the patriarchist side , Where in fact your very post contains admission of former abuse. It boggles the mind that you can post proof of my point, and this is considered a victory .
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I was only concerned with the phrase "rule of thumb".

The rest of my post is what is it. I've jumped into this argument only to mention the correct usage of the phrase. I've no desire to argue the past legalities of wife-beating.
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