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Old Tuesday, October 11th, 2016   #101
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I am simply challenging those concepts that the far-right and ‘conservative citizen’ types take for granted, like natalism and nationalism (and “patriarchy” as well). There are other solutions, more adapted to the times, and that's what I want to point out. I have an interest in the truth and efficiency, not in patting people in the back.


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It´s not immobile to don´t buy every new trend with a catchy name like "biodynamic foods". People are free to think of it as nonsense or the new delusional idea of an Urban hipster mind who thinks that he can tell farmers how to farm and food producers how to produce food.
Biodynamic agriculture was created in the 1920s (not a new trend) by Rudolf Steiner, a world-famous voelkisch esotericist and philosopher (not an urban hipster)… who (among other things) also created the Waldorf network of schools, which provides a true Germanic education – and gets a lot of flak for it.

Biodynamics and Waldorf schools have spread around the Germanic world among people who want to live a modern, yet voelkisch lifestyle.

Those people are not "telling farmers" anything, they are practicing it themselves and getting the results. Their products sell for a lot more than regular organic foods. They are happy and successful in what they do. Biodynamic-certified foods are sold at Whole Foods. It's the Rolls-Royce of organic certification.

And of course, one is free to think it’s nonsense. But we can observe that educated people tend to be into these kinds of things (and to be vegan) while the lower classes just oppose everything that goes beyond their existing lifestyles. And then just hope on “elections” or public policies to fix their issues. The far right misses a lot of our own culture. All they knows is “elections” because it’s free, doesn’t require any efforts and allows for a lot of complaining. So that’s why I call them losers, which is an appropriate description.


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If you die today, tomorrow or the day after, nothing of you will remain. Your ideas, your theories, your thoughts: All of this will be gone forever. How many people have walked the earth, thinking oh themselves as mental giants? And how many of them are remembered for being something special by others? And who will be there for you when you´re old, when you´re in your 60ies or 70ies? No one will shed a tear about you. Besides your children and family. All your knowledge of genetics is void when you don´t manage to forward your OWN GENES to a new generation.
I could make a lot of jokes about those commonplace affirmations, but I will pass...

I question the simplistic ideological obsession with natalism (to the exclusion of almost everything else) in far-right / conservative circles (not the fact of humans having children by itself, which obviously will always happen).

I also ironize on the very high emotionalism the far right / conservatives get into when it comes to THEIR children – which contrasts with their almost total indifference when it comes to environmental issues (OUR planet). They obsess about children, yet pretty much don’t care in which world they are going to live in… While the leftists, the LGBT etc are usually more more likely to be concerned with these things and often sacrifice their time, energy and money for environmental causes. So it is not all black and white...

My point is that the far right is mostly made of fearful people who can’t see the big picture and see everything from their limited, personal point of view. This causes them to have a warped picture of life where they see the whole world as a threat, follow irrational ideas and take irrational decisions. Then they wonder why they “lose”. I realized this a couple of years ago and have evolved out of a strictly "rightist" approach to life.

I also think today’s “moderate far right” types are more ridiculous than the aggressive far right of the 1990s and before. They think if they look and sound good, then people are going to like them more... which is so gay. Like PEGIDA and other such movements – all they have to say is “We’re angry because of immigrants and crime and outsourcing of jobs...”. Right… and then?

The middle class only reacts when they feel some comfort is being taken from them. But they have nothing constructive to bring forth. You can put a million of those people together, it still won’t go anywhere. Like the KKK of the 1920s once gathered 2 million men to march in D.C. After that, they just went home and nothing ever happened. Why? Because they were just “angry White dudes” with no plan...

Now, compare that with the Germanenorden… this was a Germanic elite that organized itself as some kind of freemasonry and brought tremendous changes to society. It is a totally different approach than that of the commoners and their focus on natalism (such as the "14-words" crowd).

It’s quite obvious to a cool-headed observer that the solution does not lie in outbreeding the non-whites, and that a decrease in the population might even be a good thing, for environmental reasons (this planet is simply going to die soon – but the far-right doesn’t care) and because robotization will make most of the workforce irrelevant within the next 20 years, including half of the office jobs (it might even make armies obsolete).

Yet those simple facts are hard to grasp for the conservative people, because they live in a state of existential anxiety – so they go apeshit as soon as someone starts to question natalism. It’s an emotional, knee-jerk reaction.

There are more Whites alive today than in 1940... The real issue is that there is no jurisdiction where Whites are in control of who is ‘in’ and who is ‘out’. So, the debate should rather be: how to create such jurisdictions? And what should be our “group evolutionary strategy” (as Kevin MacDonald put it)?

In 1993, a fellow called Wilmot Robertson wrote a book called ‘The Ethnostate’. In it, he exposed a very logical, practical vision of how to could solve the racial problem by creating ethnostates within the current West.

Yet I have very seldom seen this book and these crucial concepts discussed on the forums. People prefer to wait like cows for their favorite political party to win some elections. This, and the emotional “White children in wheat fields” ideology… So of course I’m joking about all this… They are stuck in the same loops of thinking for decades and not realizing it.

People obsess about “elections” and “getting “their” country back” (which is not going to happen). It’s like they cannot see past the concept of “nation-state” they were brought up with. Things evolve... Nationalists are sticking emotionally to some concepts that have been created for them by their elites a couple of centuries ago and think it’s “theirs”.

What people today think as “their country” is an administrative and cultural entity that was built on the conquest, assimilation and neutralization of countless local duchies, counties and smaller states for the sake of administrative and economic efficiency.

They are the product of that assimilation, to the extent that they don’t realize it anymore and identify fully with the “country”.

What they think as “their” country is an entity has been created artificially by some bourgeois/military elite of the past which mostly wanted to ease travel between those smaller political entities, suppress tax duties between them (there were plenty of tax duties and passage restrictions between duchies, which we have forgotten today) and unify their language (most people only knew their local peasant dialect, which limited the possibilities of comunication and higher education), for the sake of convenience, human development and economic growth.

In other words, the countries of today were the “European Unions” of that time!

So, this is the reason why the elites staunchly support the EU and the common folk opposes it. The first ones have the big picture and efficiency in mind, while the latter cannot see past the tip of their noses and react emotionally, as they feel something is being “taken away” from them... Which has always happened in history. There is nothing to panic about. Countries come and go. Those things are flexible. The next countries will probably be ethnostates carved out of the current countries. But of course there will be massive upheaval, which most people fear.
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Another obvious/hilarious example which illustrates in which self-created ghetto the ‘far right’ and ‘conservative citizen’ types are living:

If we look at our Music section (or anywhere else in this so-called movement), people seem to be listening only to Rock / Metal / Folk Metal / Black Metal / Death Metal / Metal, metal, metal... kind of music (or some other types of guitar-based musics which I don’t know the exact names of).

It’s like people have never heard of electronic/trance music. It doesn’t exist in their world.

Yet when I look at Trance Music Festivals, its like 90% Germanic (with of course a few token ‘groids and some shlomos and Meds)… Very funny, no?
(and this is the “clean”, cheerful electronic scene, not the “hardcore” scene where people take drugs).

So there is a whole demographics out there that is truly Germanic, with their own subcultures, yet are not interested by the conservatives and their psycho-rigid system of values. They want something else, more constructive, more progressive. This is what Kevin MacDonald calls “implicit Whiteness”.

If Josef Goebbels was alive, he would probably be hijacking the Trance music movement.

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Most all electronic music is optimally enjoyed under the influence of copious amounts of mind and mood altering substances like Ecstasy and LSD. Don't know how much people "trippen balls" will care about for instance: biodynamic agriculture. I do listen to electronic music like Minimal House and do enjoy it from time to time but without substance abuse it just ain't as much fun as it used to be...

Further I am of the opinion that most all modern Electronic music is not so much different to what the Bushman and Zulu's were getting freaky to beat/rhythm wise speaking, It is doubtless that less common ground exist for racial others in "Rock" music as it stands, I believe it is to complex for the liking of blacks who need a droning beat...
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And of course, one is free to think it’s nonsense. But we can observe that educated people tend to be into these kinds of things (and to be vegan)
Well, I'm educated, I'm not into it, and guess what... I'm not vegan.


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I could make a lot of jokes about those commonplace affirmations, but I will pass...
Ooh... more jokes... fire away


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I question the simplistic ideological obsession with natalism (to the exclusion of almost everything else) in far-right / conservative circles (not the fact of humans having children by itself, which obviously will always happen).
No one here is excluding anything. You are the one doing that. And if everyone were to think like you then we wouldn't have children definitely and would die out. But since you mentioned importing people I guess that wouldn't bother you. After all, having a freshly imported population of middle easterners and africans would make you feel very important and oh so superior wouldn't it?



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I also ironize on the very high emotionalism the far right / conservatives get into when it comes to THEIR children – which contrasts with their almost total indifference when it comes to environmental issues (OUR planet). They obsess about children, yet pretty much don’t care in which world they are going to live in… While the leftists, the LGBT etc are usually more more likely to be concerned with these things and often sacrifice their time, energy and money for environmental causes. So it is not all black and white...
Ah, so people are supposed to not care about their children. Instead they should be more like Angelina Jolie, hate their own and love the imported ones?
Environmental issues eh? Please, do tell me more on how relevant it is that I waste my time and resources in support of Brazilian lumber industry.


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My point is that the far right is mostly made of fearful people who can’t see the big picture and see everything from their limited, personal point of view. This causes them to have a warped picture of life where they see the whole world as a threat, follow irrational ideas and take irrational decisions. Then they wonder why they “lose”. I realized this a couple of years ago and have evolved out of a strictly "rightist" approach to life.
They way you are evolving, you'll soon make a claim you have evolved out of strictly Germanic approach, then out of strictly European,.... etc. Why are you even here?


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It’s quite obvious to a cool-headed observer that the solution does not lie in outbreeding the non-whites, and that a decrease in the population might even be a good thing, for environmental reasons (this planet is simply going to die soon – but the far-right doesn’t care) and because robotization will make most of the workforce irrelevant within the next 20 years, including half of the office jobs (it might even make armies obsolete).
How exactly is the planet going to die soon? This I'd love to hear.
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And of course, one is free to think it’s nonsense. But we can observe that educated people tend to be into these kinds of things (and to be vegan)
How do you go about and measure one to give them the label of an educated person? Education has too broad range to properly do so.

By the way, people who are normally into those things and are vegan are normally hippies.
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It’s like people have never heard of electronic/trance music. It doesn’t exist in their world.
You may be over-thinking this. Somebody probably just came along years ago and posted metal-themed music posts, and other metal-heads followed and posted more metal until it became a kind of self-fulfilling and sustaining prophecy.

Then there is the Varg Vikernes factor, he's been very vocal through the years about his political inclinations and he naturally attracted a following amongst like-minded individuals, and this again manifested itself at least somewhat in the musical bias and tastes amongst members of sites such as Skadi.

I doubt there's necessarily a bias amongst the majority here against "Electronic Music", it's such a broad category anyway that it could include anything from Stockhausen to Chiptunes.
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I have an interest in the truth and efficiency, not in patting people in the back.
As you can see, your views create quite a discussion. However, most of your threads are c&p articles from the internet. These are tedious to discuss, since there is no actual discussion partner.
How about you start a thread and call it "Biodynamics the true Germanic way for us" or something like this, and give your viewpoint. You would have lots of participants [as this thread proves].

Copy-and-paste-articles from the internet, never bothered anyone much.
If you truly are interested in helping your Germanic brethren, then you have to engage them in discussions, there you can cite articles to prove your point.

I do know that discussions can be frustrating though, but usually among the legion of idiotic remarks, there are a few well thought out ones.
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Some interesting thoughts and opinions in this thread. On the one hand, it's good to see that people are concerned about Skadi's image, however I don't think we have that much reason to worry. Skadi has always had room for both deep political/anthropological/scientific discussions and casual, everyday topics. Skadi is news and library threads, Skadi is politics, current events, opinion polls, anthropology, history but also some "knitting circle" topics. The latter aren't just something to tolerate, but part of what makes Skadi a community.

While small talk is trivial, it can also be used to a community's advantage. First casual talk builds communication skills. We know that humans are social beings, and casual conversations can act as a glue or oil that keeps social interaction going and helps relate to other people. Small talk is often used to prepare the ground for a business setting as it can influence a person's impression & opinion. In customer service, small talk can be used to reduce tension and often makes the difference between a happy and a disappointed customer, even when their problem may have not been entirely or ideally solved. World leading companies, such as Amazon (labeled the world's most customer-friendly company) understood and exploited this, Facebook turned it into a business and made financial gains by providing it with a platform.

Just like casual talk can prepare the ground for a business meeting, it can also prepare the ground for deep discussion on fora. I often noticed this when validating new members' posts. New members may be shy or uncomfortable with breaking the ice with lengthy political posts. Skadi is after all a virtual community and like in any community, newcomers don't always engage head-on but observe and test the waters first. A new employee or student will rather discuss the weather and other general topics before jumping with his point of view into a conversation overheard between veterans. Similarly, a forum newbie may not feel as comfortable expressing a certain opinion in a debate/political thread, disagreeing with "popular thought" or "correcting" longstanding regulars. Knitting circle, informal and middlebrow topics on the other hand are often good opportunities to break the ice, introducing and immersing themselves in the community. It's not uncommon -- rather the opposite -- for people's first 15-20 posts as new members or after returning to the forum from an extended absence, to be found in such "hearthy" topics - number of siblings, pets, favorite food or drink, music they listen to, movies they watch, whether they're right or left handed, children they have or they'd like to have, sports they practice, whether they have a certain skill or hobby etc. etc. It's almost some sort of unspoken etiquette, and it makes sense, because they're basically introducing themselves to the community and allowing the rest of us to get to know them through these posts. They will then proceed to opinion/debate threads, political and then more complex discussions.

Anyway, there are really few members who are primarily "trivial" IMO. Even the more outgoing and socially apt who use the forum as an outlet to evade daily stress have a lot of interesting things to contribute. Something else to consider is the fact that many Skadi members aren't writing in their native language. English may seem like an easy language, but we may at times experience a writing blockage, where we know what we want to say but can't really put it in words, and to do that in a foreign language makes it all the more difficult.

Actually a fairly recent study found that friendly, social interaction can boost our ability to solve problems. According to a psychologist at the university conducting the study, "some social interactions induce people to try to read others' minds and take their perspective on things." While knitting circle topics may not be scintillating to everyone's minds, they're still a way for people to connect, get to know their peers, and improve their social, conversational skills, not to mention their linguistic skills. Again, remember English is not a native language for many members. So something that comes natural to you, needs to be mapped out and processed in others' minds. We normally don't give much thought to it but there are different ways to learn and speak a language. To me, things just "sound right", but my more mathematical friend, for example, sees expressions as formulas, he "sees" the grammatical and phonetic structure of a sentence.

Anyway, I rather people take an interest in topics like Germanic foods and costumes and use their Internet time to read and post on a forum like Skadi than spend countless hours in other questionable corners of the Internet. Surely, we can introduce some measures and features that make everyone's forum experience more versatile, such as ignoring a thread or even an entire section. But generally, if one wants more x and less y, start by actively participating, assessing and channeling the resources that can be invested in achieving the desired direction. If you like a certain topic, post consistently about it. Also don't restrict to copy & pasted news, articles and journal extracts -- which can be interesting -- but you also want to create discussion and sometimes that takes a little more than posting material and hoping someone will comment. As said, many will find such material interesting but not necessarily have something to add, hence the appreciation via thanks and reputation points. Start by writing down your own ideas, what reading the article makes you think, does it confirm or challenge an established belief, does it provide an answer to a long unanswered question -- which? -- or does it pose a new question -- what? What is it you want from the thread and from people who read that thread, and point it in that direction, whether it is open to all opinions/free format/brainstorming or a poll presenting defined directions. Ask friends with similar interests to help start discussion by commenting on your threads and use the email to friend feature to inform off-site friends who may be interested.

Add a little "color" now and then. Generally when you have the same type of content over and over again, when everyone thinks the same or concedes their opinion to the stronger personalities, it can get boring. Some people like to play the devil's advocate by posting a provoking title or stance, which will create an instant reaction. Debate threads and polls regarding society, law, religion, race are among the most viewed and replied-to topics.

And if people prefer to engage in knitting circle discussions, let them be. It's part of human nature. "Post a random fact about yourself", "Describe the person above you", "Stuff that pisses you off", I would have normally agreed we could do without those topics. Yet it's precisely those topics that have allowed people to learn more about one another and connect in some way. How many veteran members can say the met someone on Skadi who became a dear friend or confident? Quite a few, I'd say. The creation of social bonds and friendships that make members feel comfortable and at home are of of value, too. The lack of them would make a community become dull, stiff, lifeless & unwelcoming. One important human social need which transcends offline realities would remain unfulfilled. You don't even need to trust me on this, but see our forum statistics. We installed them with the purpose, among others, to quantify discussion and trends. Top 100 threads. Most viewed, most replied to, best rated. See a pattern? Most active forums. Again, see a pattern? Skadi is also among the forums with the highest women-to-men ratio and we actually created some of the "hearth" forums to attract and accommodate more female members. In an age where feminism, sexual liberation and deviancy becomes closer to the mainstream, to find Germanic women interested in their heritage and future is rather refreshing.

Yes, it's important to place quality over quantity and we want the forum to be serious and highbrow. We want and should question the value of our contributions to the community. But we must also keep in mind that few people join a community with the initial aim of doing something for it/adding value to it. This is usually what veteran members and staff, who feel a sense of connection and duty towards the forum feel they should do. New members are usually searching for the answer to a question, solving a problem, presenting an idea or project of theirs etc. and may not contribute a lot beyond that or have an interest in becoming a true member of the community (yet). Out of every 10 registrations, 1-2 people will remain as active members (juniors or regulars). Some stick around and contribute out of what some may call "selfish" or "individualistic" reasons - to "escape" from daily realities and take refuge in a virtually all-Germanic corner, connect with like-minds or simply to relax, kill time & boredom. Some frown upon this and find it wasteful, I think it could be turned into something positive and beneficial for both sides. If they have a talent or certain knowledge, the community benefits from it regardless. And over time, as they become veteran members and feel a certain sense of attachment, they will see the community as something they want (and even feel obliged) to add and give to.
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