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Old Tuesday, March 22nd, 2011   #31
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With all due respect, these accusations are not only impertinent, but make very little sense altogether.
Oh you're so wrong. They make a lot of sense.

Skadi isn't exactly the Brownies or Boy Scouts. It's pretty obvious that people who congregate here are likely to have somewhat anti-mainstream opinions and beliefs. The kinds of beliefs that the authorities and others take an interest in.

By connecting Skadi to Facebook the authorities get instant access to a goldmine of information on people who may be considered to be potential "fringe political" material.
This is so obvious a child could understand it.

Yes people have a choice whether they want to join or not but let's be realistic here, many are too thick to understand the implications of what they're doing and signing up for.

Whether this decision will necessarily come back to haunt them one day or not... who knows? It just isn't a particularly smart thing to do.

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While I have neither initiated nor created Skadi's presence on social networks and popular broadcasting sites, and do not administer them either, they have been created and are maintained by long-term activists,
It doesn't matter if Goebbels himself maintains or instigated the plan, it's still a dumb plan. There seems to be a major lack of understanding here about the Facebook system.

It makes no difference if the Virgin Mary administers the account, FACEBOOK CONTROLS THIS DATA. FACEBOOK MAKES THIS DATA AVAILABLE TO THE FEDS AND CORPORATIONS.

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some of them staff members, with impeccable reputation.
Again, you could have Snow White in charge. That changes nothing.

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To insinuate that they would be "naive" and "irresponsible" or are "deliberately encouraging people to expose themselves" is audacious and outrageous.
It's not outrageous at all. At best it is naive and amateurish. At worst it is treachery. I can't judge which scenario applies but either way, neither choice is very appetizing.

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Not to my surprise, you fail to provide any evidence to back up these allegations.
LOL

You need to learn a few basic facts of Internet life then come back and revisit your statement.

If you honestly believe that Facebook data isn't and cannot be mined by the Corps and Feds..... I have no words.....
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I don't think he is above selling the data he is collecting on individuals for personal profit. How else to account for the ridiculous market value of facebook ($80 billion) when they have relatively little ad revenues, it is that potential goldmine of personal data driving its market value. And since he is a Jew he would have no qualms about going after White/Europid racialists. But it is much more likely that the data would be sold to private marketers then given to various law enforcement groups. Anyone in a country where participating in Skadi could be a crime should just avoid the Skadi Facebook group.
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By connecting Skadi to Facebook the authorities get instant access to a goldmine of information on people who may be considered to be potential "fringe political" material.
This is so obvious a child could understand it.
Skadi is a public forum where everyone can read, except for restricted sections that are f.ex. Regulars or Funding Members only. And for those sections all it takes is a clever infiltrator who keeps low profile cleverly enough to gather the same information about people.

Other than that, it is everyone's choice to sign up at Facebook or not, sign up with their real name or not, to become a member of the Skadi Forum group, etc. etc. etc. This being said, I fear the authorities not. I am an activist and they likely have a hefty file on me already.
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It's not Skadi who asks you to give your real information to the Internet. We use usernames here, not real names. A safe thing to do if you want to protect your identity is to not provide any personal information in the first place, anywhere on the Internet, especially in the open. There are many things which can happen aside from the authorities keeping a file on your political activities. There is identity theft, harassment and many more.

We can all read the arguments against joining the FaceBook group, but as we've also read in this thread, that there are people, who aren't afraid to connect themselves, their full identity, to Skadi. It's also their choice and it's equally allowable as the choice not to join. The group continues to exist and it's open for the their category, while the first category can avoid the group.

But as Thorburn explained, the page is not there to create an additional platform where existing members can chat anyway. We're not going to transfer over to FaceBook. The point is, that we need Skadi's little page on FaceBook to exist, because it notifies FaceBook users of our existence and we can gain new visitors and users that way. Our cause, movement, or whatever you wish to call it can grow. It's actually a smart idea Degenhard (and the others who created and maintain the other accounts) had to advertise it there, because it makes Skadi grow beyond the tangent membership with other nationalist fora. FaceBook, MySpace, YouTube, are some of the biggest social group platforms. That's where a lot of Internet users hang out.

By the way, FaceBook is not the only network that collects data. So does your mail provider, and nearly every website you browse. At the very least, your Internet provider logs your whole activity, every site you've used. They know that you've signed up on both FaceBook and Skadi, even if you don't join the Skadi group. You don't have to link them, the link still exists there, in the log files, and can be used one day.

But last as Sigurd said, Skadi is a public forum anyway, and many people post personal data here, and put together, the information can be used to identify someone. So it goes back to the main issue, which is not providing personal data.
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I don't think he is above selling the data he is collecting on individuals for personal profit. How else to account for the ridiculous market value of facebook ($80 billion) when they have relatively little ad revenues, it is that potential goldmine of personal data driving its market value.
EXACTLY! There is no such thing as a free lunch. Facebook isn't financed with "virtual dollars".

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And since he is a Jew he would have no qualms about going after White/Europid racialists.
Goes without saying. And educational facilities etc.

An example, it doesn't specifically mention the use of "Facebook", it also concentrates on the "Islamic" threat but it's a sign of things to come.

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A review of policy on radicalisation will call for more monitoring of students by university and college lecturers, the BBC understands.

Calls for more analysis of work to look for signs of a growing threat are likely to be resisted by staff who fear they would be seen as spies.

The review, by Lib Dem Lord Carlile, is likely to be published in May.

It is examining policy on dealing with the threat, mainly to young men, from extremists looking to recruit them.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-12752173

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But it is much more likely that the data would be sold to private marketers then given to various law enforcement groups.
BOTH are highly probable. CIA Venture Capital helped fund Facebook. The Police in the UK frequently gather information on "subjects of interest" via Facebook. I'm sceptical that they would be subject to "data privacy / protection" restrictions.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology...an/14/facebook


I understand the arguments about those who are happy to advertise themselves on the Internet but through a system like Facebook they also expose everybody else who they are in contact with. Many Facebook users are too daft to do basic research on how they expose themselves after joining up and don't realise what they're doing.

Yes it's possible to collect information via other means but it's painstaking and hard work. It's not the kind of thing that is going to be done on random people. It's done on "people of interest only". Via Facebook, all this information is automatically gathered and collected in a convenient central location. It requires zero effort on behalf of the Feds and Corporations. The dumb users who volunteer their personal information do all this work for them.

That's the (evil) genius behind this whole system!!!!

"Skadi" may not "provide this information" but this information is not under Skadi control is it? It's under FACEBOOK control. Skadi acts as a Facebook concentration point, it then delivers a neatly packaged user demographic group to Facebook which can be accessed at the click of a button. No matter how noble Skadi's intentions in all this may be, they've done a significant part of the groundwork by encouraging members to submit their ID's into the system.

Information is power & Facebook is one of the ultimate general population aimed profiling tools. Yes there are other ways of doing it but I can't think of many which come close to Facebook in terms of efficiency and thoroughness.

Anyway, I've made my point. Imo this venture is madness.
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...and generally every second company you phone up. "Our calls will be recorded/our e-mails will be saved for 'training purposes'." The whole thing about calls recorded or e-mails saved for 'training purposes' sounds a little like a press release by the Ministry of Truth.

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They know that you've signed up on both FaceBook and Skadi, even if you don't join the Skadi group. You don't have to link them, the link still exists there, in the log files, and can be used one day.
And it would be otherwise easy to find out, even if the authorities don't have a name. They were able to pinpoint down the Muslim terrorist that wanted to blow himself up on the flight to Chicago couple of years ago in December and his identity on an internet forum within days.

They'll be able to do the same with us, regardless of how much information or how little information we provide. The point is that for now they're just storing it in a huge big file on us, that they're not going to use until they have a stronger case against us - where it becomes "corroborating evidence".

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Well, I can only speak for myself, but I´m very sceptical about such Web 2.0 portals like Myspace or Facebook. I don´t have any accounts there and I´m not going to create one as I have serious worries regarding data mining and data selling, information storage and other privacy aspects. I know that Facebook or Myspace are modern and good means to gain new members and maintain a fan-base because these portals are absolutely trendy these days (like a "must-have": Someone who has no facebook profile is considered as "backward" in some circles), but the negative aspects outweigh the positive aspects for me.
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I joined the facebook page. It is interesting to put a face with their posts.
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I'm new here but I have joined the Facebook Group too.
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A Skadi Forum group has been created on Facebook to help get the word out. I thought I'd advertise it to our current membership as well, since this group will become more visible to members we'd consider welcome at Skadi as people with similar group memberships (such as with Germanic Pride or Against Multiculturism) joins.

Here's the link: http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gi...id=80168035495
The downside is coloreds and antis coming in and flooding our threads with non-sensical bull.
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