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Department of Homeland Security Buying Up Enough Ammo to Wage Seven-Year War Against the American People

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Old Monday, April 23rd, 2012   #1
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Department of Homeland Security Buying Up Enough Ammo to Wage Seven-Year War Against the American People


DHS has awarded a contract to ammunition manufacturer ATK for acquiring 450 million rounds of .40 caliber hollow point ammo



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Thanks for this article Verðandi.

Articles like this are quite rampant across the web these days and I sometimes think half of it is BS because it is there to pump more fear into people and they accomplish this with ease. Another thing I dont like about these article is the spread of these by groups, I know they are just passing them along, but if you ever noticed, no one ever offers a solution to the problem.

So, if DHS is hording ammo, then what can you do to make a difference or stop it, call your Congressman, vote for another Pres., or what? I dont encourage anyone to answer any question to where it will get them in trouble, but just think of this. One solution I can say out right is: Live Off-Grid, this way you dont pay taxes to fund their evil cause!
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But, seriously, is this not the amount of ammo that they should be expected to use? ICE alone has over 20,000 employees and DHS, including ICE I assume, 216,000 employees. I really do not know how many of them that carry weapons, but from the numbers and the duration of the contract I assume that most of these cartridges will be used up in training as we are talking about less than 500 rounds per employee and year, or about 10 rounds per working week and employee. If only ten percent of them are packing, that is still low.

So, as a an American tax payer I would be more worried about agents being undertrained in weapons use... so let's hope they are also using frangible ammo and such for training.
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The are preparing to stay in power. That's the only concern they have.

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Of The 1%, By The 1%, For The 1% --- Nobel prize-winning economist, on inequality in America. Concentration of power and wealth in top 1% now so great that it may be irreversible. In effect, the rich have captured the government. They can buy the policies they want
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Considering the number of rounds fired in training (over 5000 per recruit), continuing training, and requalification, this really isn't much -- in fact, it's not enough.

Also be aware it's a blanket contract, such that the ammo is produced and shipped over time on a schedule until the maximum number contracted for is met, at which time a new contract must be signed.

Worried about a government takeover? Civilians buy more .40 cal than that each year.

You have to remember, the Untied States is not yet a State of subjects as the rest of thew world is. There are over 120 million gun owners (based on those counted in NICS checks, private sales are not included) and over 300 million guns (same qualifications as before).

More than 2 BILLION rounds of ammo are sold yearly to civilians. Keep in mind that our 2nd Amendment exists not for the rights of hunters and sportsman, but with the understanding that the idea of the "Of The 1%, By The 1%, For The 1%" coming into play, and allowing the 99% to eliminate the 1% when the time comes.

Remember also that the people who are against chairman Maobama and his policies are very well armed, and those who stand with him are not. Remember also, that he has cut benefits and done everything he can to alienate the folks in the military.

I think these things are spread about by fear mongers who are worried about the 98 pound weakling that got his ass cheeks taped together in gym class beating the hell out an an 800 pound gorilla on his back.
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But, seriously, is this not the amount of ammo that they should be expected to use? ICE alone has over 20,000 employees and DHS, including ICE I assume, 216,000 employees. I really do not know how many of them that carry weapons, but from the numbers and the duration of the contract I assume that most of these cartridges will be used up in training as we are talking about less than 500 rounds per employee and year, or about 10 rounds per working week and employee. If only ten percent of them are packing, that is still low.

So, as a an American tax payer I would be more worried about agents being undertrained in weapons use... so let's hope they are also using frangible ammo and such for training.
LOL!

I would say since they are a bogus agency about ZERO would be what I would expect.
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It seems wasteful to train with hollow point ammunition also, but perhaps that is the way it is done.
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Oh look, another link to the Odinist press, with a clip of some junk article and a link to 'Naturalnews' news again. Hysterically written lunacy. The TSA are 'the brownshirts of Amerika' apparently.... a paramilitary created to enforce dictatorship.

A security department buys ammunition, conpsiritards go wild. That is all there is to see here.
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Not much of a threat, seeing there are over 100 million gun owners in the United States. 100 million, is probably a low number also.
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It seems wasteful to train with hollow point ammunition also, but perhaps that is the way it is done.
If I were the boss I would have my agents and officers train with what they carried, just to make sure that it works as it should and to be able to detect deviances in production in training rather than on the job. Also, ammunition that is carried in service weapons gets worn as it is loaded into and out of magazines all the time (keeping the springs constantly compressed is a bad idea) and is carried by officers in all kinds of weather.
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