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Old Saturday, April 14th, 2012   #831
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His trial will start next week.
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Old Saturday, April 21st, 2012   #832
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The trial of Anders Behring Breivik, the perpetrator of the 2011 Norway attacks, started on 16 April 2012 in Oslo District Court. 170 media organisations have been accredited to cover the proceedings, involving some 800 individual journalists. The trial will determine the extent of the defendant's criminal responsibility for these attacks and thereby whether he will be sentenced to imprisonment or committed to a psychiatric hospital. It has also been speculated that the future role of forensic psychiatry in Norway will be heavily influenced by the proceedings......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_o...ehring_Breivik
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The trial of Anders Behring Breivik, the perpetrator of the 2011 Norway attacks, started on 16 April 2012 in Oslo District Court. 170 media organisations have been accredited to cover the proceedings, involving some 800 individual journalists. The trial will determine the extent of the defendant's criminal responsibility for these attacks and thereby whether he will be sentenced to imprisonment or committed to a psychiatric hospital. It has also been speculated that the future role of forensic psychiatry in Norway will be heavily influenced by the proceedings......

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trial_o...ehring_Breivik
At least it doesn't seem he's trying to get concessions
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Anders Behring Breivik wants acquittal or death penalty

Prosecutors say Breivik has invented the right-wing group to which he says he belongs
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Anders Behring Breivik has told his trial in Oslo he believes there can be only two "just" outcomes to his trial - acquittal or the death penalty.
Breivik, who killed 77 people last July, said he considered a lengthy jail sentence "a pathetic punishment". Norway does not have the death penalty.
He also said he had been "very surprised" to have survived the day of the attacks.
Prosecutors have been quizzing him on his links with militant nationalists.
On the third day of the trial they have been trying to disprove his claim of the existence of a far-right European network.
'Pathetic punishment'
Under cross-examination, Breivik said: "There are only two just and fair outcomes of this trial - acquittal or capital punishment. I consider 21 years of prison as a pathetic punishment.
Asked if he wanted the court to give him the death penalty, he replied: "No, but I would have respected it. I would not recognise 21 years of prison, it's ridiculous."
Breivik killed 69 people at a Labour Party youth camp on Utoeya island, having first set off a bomb outside a government building in Oslo that killed eight people.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-17752189
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These show-trials that drag on for weeks serve no real purpose.

The defendant has admitted his guilt so why don't they just pronounce him guilty now, as we all know they eventually will, and save everybody a lot of time?

'Democratic' countries always indulge themselves in this way as they demonstrate to the world how 'fair' and thorough their judicial systems are, to the point where in the end it just becomes an exercise in their own vanity.
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I read somewhere that this Breivik is a fanatical pro-israel zionist who wanted to start a "Tea Party" type militant organization in Norway. Apparently a lot of anti-israel boycott signs were found on the island. Please correct me if I am misinformed!
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As far as I know he's a zionist to the extent that he considers it useful as an assistance to the battle he wants to fight for the norwegian people. It's not as much true ideological zionism, but rather zionism born out of pragmatism and thus the circumstances of our time. You can compare it to for example the Dutch politician Geert Wilders and many others. In itself this concept (if it would actually function for a while, which I don't believe) is not the problem. The problem is that they don't stick to their pragmatic approach and turn this temporary strategic alliance into something ideological and eternal, almost metaphysical.* The alliance with Israel than becomes an end in itself in stead of only a means. A political approach which originated as something contingent, based on realist politics, becomes the very idea for which they are fighting. Where previously ethnic survival was at stake, this is now being replaced by survival of the western idea of which Israel is the leading figure, on both the material and the spiritual level. Ethnocentrism is replaced by just another type of humanism camouflaged as patriotism.


*This failure of politicians to grasp the true nature of alliances has been expounded by A. Hitler in Mein Kampf, although I don't recall the exact chapter.
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I would not be surprised in the least if we later find out he was sponsored by the mossad
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These show-trials that drag on for weeks serve no real purpose.

The defendant has admitted his guilt so why don't they just pronounce him guilty now, as we all know they eventually will, and save everybody a lot of time?

'Democratic' countries always indulge themselves in this way as they demonstrate to the world how 'fair' and thorough their judicial systems are, to the point where in the end it just becomes an exercise in their own vanity.
Maybe the show can be turned around and may serve for once to bring the topic of immigration onto the table. Breivik has demanded, as part of his defense strategy, to question AP politicians why they enforce this massive immigration, and have with that triggered his attack on them as self-defense and on behalf of the defense of Norway.

Chances are not that bad that this actually happens, it's only one of two defense points he wants to make, and their vanity may force them to allow it, everything else would go against their convictions of what a fair trial is, they must hear what he claims is the reason for his attacks.


Below is a part of the non-public (no tv transmission was allowed) 73 minutes statement that he asked to read on the 2d day to outline his defense points.

http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.p...71#post1167871
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Maybe the show can be turned around and may serve for once to bring the topic of immigration onto the table. Breivik has demanded, as part of his defense strategy, to question AP politicians why they enforce this massive immigration, and have with that triggered his attack on them as self-defense and on behalf of the defense of Norway.

Chances are not that bad that this actually happens, it's only one of two defense points he wants to make, and their vanity may force them to allow it, everything else would go against their convictions of what a fair trial is, they must hear what he claims is the reason for his attacks.


Below is a part of the non-public (no tv transmission was allowed) 73 minutes statement that he asked to read on the 2d day to outline his defense points.

http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.p...71#post1167871
I don't think it will help the anti immigration cause.
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I read somewhere that this Breivik is a fanatical pro-israel zionist who wanted to start a "Tea Party" type militant organization in Norway. Apparently a lot of anti-israel boycott signs were found on the island. Please correct me if I am misinformed!
Norway is very critical of Israel, the only large parties that supports Israel are the populist FrP (The progress party) and Krf (Christian party). Some politicians are member of a group called the friends of Israel, but they are not very active these days. Our labor party has been very outspoken about Israel and are pro Palestine. Ironically it was a minister (Jens Christian Hauge) from the labor party which helped supply Israel (illegally) with Norwegian heavy water so they could get their atomic program going.

Israel promised it was not going to be used for weapons, of course the labor party must have seen through it... Jens Christian Hauge is considered some kind of hero in Norway as he led the Oslo part of Milorg.

Manfred Gerstenfeld (Israeli writer) said that Norway was the most anti-semitic country in Europe, and that Norwegians were a barbaric and stupid people
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