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Old Wednesday, April 29th, 2009   #31
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Posted by Hyperboreanar: Also have you ever heard of the Mandan Indians?

They were an Amerindian tribe who spoke Welsh, as they mixed with white welshmen who were led to America in the 12th century (so before columbus) by a Welsh prince called Madoc.

The tribe spoke Welsh, were lighter skinned and had mostly gray/blue eyes.

There were hundreds of such isolated things like this before Columbus.

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I don't remember.

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I have seen Mandan Indians in real life and have been to Mandan in ND. They are not white, although when you visit their 'village' they have set up to show what their native life was like before the white man, they do mention they have many blonde haired and blue eyed members because they 'shared' their wives and daughters with the white men who came to trade with them. Their skin is perhaps a bit lighter than the average Amerindian but it is not white as you can see from the picture below...
The Mandan and their language received much attention from Euro-Americans because of their lighter skin color, causing some to speculate they were of European origin. In the 1830s, Prince Maximilian of Wied spent more time recording Mandan over all other Siouan languages and additionally prepared a comparison list of Mandan and Welsh words (he thought that the Mandan may be displaced Welsh).[5] The theory of the Mandan/Welsh connection, now discounted, was also supported by George Catlin.
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Von Eickstedt wrote about those cases of Albinotic and mutated Indians and he clearly described them being nothing else but a local curiosity and made fun of the Americans which came up with great theories about this simple case.

Some people just seem to be obsessed with "Blondism", so they can't see anything else.

Additionally Australoid/Australiform and Europoid/Europiform tendencies are generally present in many Indianid groups, they are also present among Sibirids and Ainuids in Asia, people close to the origin of the Indianid forms. Indianids are no (Neo-) Mongolids in the narrower and typical sense.
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There are white native american tribes. They've mostly been absorbed into the modern American population or mixed with the more numerous asiatic tribes. Most of the white tribes come from Viking settlers and other earlier Europeans. Then there's kennewick man.

http://ezinearticles.com/?Viking-Mys...ans&id=1511207

But as said I don't know any modern tribe that is mostly white exept for recent mixing.
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No really, if Vikings had created those civilisations, they'd have brought the wheel with them. Yet, Indians didn't know it untill Spaniards and other Europeans come.



Well, actually, they did. They used it in toys for their children, couldn't use it for other purposes because they didn't had large robust animals for pulling.
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Well, actually, they did. They used it in toys for their children, couldn't use it for other purposes because they didn't had large robust animals for pulling.
It was only present in some groups and I'm not sure about this explanation with the animals - because the Indians were very religious people living in rituals, we dont know whether it had a rational explanation at all - also whether it was not more about the lack of a good terrain or good constructions in detail why they didnt used it en masse.

Because if you have good streets, a cart is even a help if you dont use a robust animal - but it really depends...
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Appendix 14: The Mystery of the Ainu of Japan

The Ainu are most commonly called an aboriginal people of Japan, occupying parts of the Japanese island of Hokkaido and the Russian islands of the Kurils and Sakhalin (which used to be Japanese territory).

The most striking thing about the Ainu is that they differ still to this day physically and linguistically from the rest of the Japanese population.

Although full blooded Ainu are scarce due to a large amount of intermarriage, the Ainu display in fact distinct traces of what would seem to be White racial ancestry - typical Ainu have a long skull, a light complexion, a heavy beard (facial hair is virtually unknown amongst the pure Mongolian races) and thick, wavy hair. The Ainu are famous amongst the Japanese for having body hair as well - so that they are derogatively called the "hairy Ainu".

Below: The Ainu racial influence is very evident in the Japanese upper classes: Below is a comparison of Ainu descended Japanese nobles with a "pure" Japanese Yayoi racial type which makes the distinction obvious.





Ainu ancestry
Ainu Ancestry
Ainu Ancestry
Yayoi (Mongol) Ancestry

From left to right: Count Katsuka, Prime Minister of Japan from 1901-1905; Count Hayahsi, Japanese Minister of State for Foreign Affairs, 1908; Prince Arisugawa, one of the Imperial Princes of Japan, 1908; and lastly Count Komuka, Japanese ambassador to Britain in 1908.

The first three have obvious Ainu ancestry, while the last is predominantly Yayoi, or of more pure Mongoloid stock. This racial distinction in Japanese society is visible to this day.

Based on physical appearance alone, the Ainu appear to have a strong Caucasian influence, although recent DNA tests have found no traces of European ancestry.


The Ainu language is unique, and not related to Japanese or any other Asian language. The origins of the Ainu are obscure. They appear to have entered Japan through the Hokkaido Island in the Yayoi Period (300 BC to 250 AD) of Japanese history, and migrated also into the northern and eastern parts of Japan's main island Honshu.

As the rulers of Yamato Japan started to expand their territory eastwards around 500 AD, the Ainu were constantly displaced to the north or mixed with the Japanese. In the Meiji Period (1868-1912) they received the status of Former Aboriginals but were strongly discriminated against. The Ainu were first mentioned in a Japanese account in 642 AD, and they were first reported in Europe in 1586.

The American anthropologist C. Loring Brace, University of Michigan, (Science Frontiers #65, Sep-Oct 1989) reported that "pure-blooded Ainu are easy to spot: they have lighter skin, more body hair, and higher-bridged noses than most Japanese." Brace studied the skeletons of about 1100 Japanese, Ainu, and other Asian ethnic groups and has concluded that the revered samurai of Japan are actually descendants of the Ainu, not of the Yayoi (original Mongolian) from whom most modern Japanese are descended. Brace said further that "...this explains why the facial features of the Japanese ruling class are so often unlike those of typical modern Japanese. The Ainu-related samurai achieved such power and prestige in medieval Japan that they intermarried with royalty and nobility, passing on Ainu blood in the upper classes, while other Japanese were primarily descended from the Yayoi."

Despite these physical similarities to Caucasians, recent genetic studies (M. Bannai, and others; Analysis of HLA genes and haplotypes in Ainu (from Hokkaido, northern Japan) supports the premise that they descent from Upper Paleolithic populations of East Asia, Tissue Antigens, Volume 55 Issue 2 Page 128 - February 2000 http://www.blackwell-synergy.com/lin....550204.x/abs/) have shown no direct link between the Ainu and any currently existing White racial group, and have suggested that the Ainu are in fact descended from a distinct Upper Paleolithic population of East Asia.

The physical Caucasian appearance of so many Ainu still remains an enigma, and it is possible that further genetic testing of larger sample groups may yet deliver a different verdict on the origin of the Ainu.


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Funny thing is that instead of giving a racial origin they just state 'upperpaeleothic population of east asia'.

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It is funny how they circumvent that cliff that Ainu are caucasian, by stating they don't come from Europe. That the caucasus is by definition not european is obvious and used as a trick to denigrate our 'family' White people are called caucasian for a reason.

for me if I see a 'white' person it is a 'white' person.

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Albinism is a genetic disease where the person can't create any colors pigment. The most notable affected areas are extremely white skin and blood red eyes. If their eyes were brown, then their bodies were capable of creating color pigments. That means they weren't albino.
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