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Old Saturday, April 7th, 2012   #21
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The early history of the Celt-http://www.rnpaheadquarters.org/id36.html


The early history of the Teuton-http://www.rnpaheadquarters.org/id37.html


Statue of Arminius or Herman the Cherusker-

Statue of some Celt (Notice the Torque)-http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...lini_MC747.jpg

A Gaul or Celt with his back up against the wall-Ludovisi Gaul-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludovisi_Gaul
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You information about the Romans being shorter than Celtic women I agree with. I cannot remember the historian who noted it, but the Celtic women fought with the men and many Celts actually fought naked, which really freaked the Romans out. I have no idea why they did that, but the psychological effect must habe been intense.
I’m thinking it was probably likely that Celtic Women were maybe the same size as Mediterranean men on whole and that Celtic men were maybe somewhat taller.

LOL! In any case the fighting naked would for sure have freaked them out.

I mean it does sound a bit hilarious form one perspective, but It also sounds like a supremely bad idea from a tactical perspective.

And It also seems it would have wiped out any size advantage they might have had. Especially considering the Romans were almost always armoured, and the armour would have provided a marked advantage over bare skin no matter what colour it was painted, or how big the opponent.

Although the "Freak Factor" for sure played a Role, and we are talking very superstitious people from another era.
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I would say that the Romans had some what of a Technological Advantage over most Germanic People, which does not make them inferior to the Romans as individuals, but simply meant the Romans had more military might when it came to fighting battles.

Celts were at the far end of the Roman Empire and most likely had little experience with Romans. Germans in say Germany had extensive experience with the Romans and were trade partners with them, fraught in their armies and so on. Germans for the most part, knew the ropes with the Romans and knew how to make the Empire work in their favour.

Also The Irish/Celts have for centuries been more of less a "Lower Class" in England, and as such have been treated that way. So how much is environment, how much is Culture, and How much is ingrained in the genes?
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I am not so sure about that. We have so little real data regarding the Celts, but its interesting that the Old English language gave birth to modern day English and German. Actually, although German is different in the organization of words from the English we speak today, there are far more cognates between modern day English and German to ignore that linguistic connection.
English and German are both Germanic languages, so there are indeed many similarities. However, Old English did not give birth to German. In fact, neither stems from the other. English descends from North Sea Germanic (Ingvaeonic) dialects, whereas [High] German descends from Elbe Germanic (Irminonic) dialects. The Celtic languages are not related, other than being from the greater Indo-European family.

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You information about the Romans being shorter than Celtic women I agree with. I cannot remember the historian who noted it, but the Celtic women fought with the men and many Celts actually fought naked, which really freaked the Romans out. I have no idea why they did that, but the psychological effect must habe been intense.
"Celtic" is only a linguistic term. There was never really a uniform ethnic group called the "Celts". Celtic speakers once stretched all the way across Europe (from the Atlantic to the Mediterranean), and they were ethnically diverse. Therefore, one cannot link some sort of phenotype with Celtic speakers.

The Celtic and Germanic speakers of the British Isles share a significant amount of genetic overlap, and it is not clear cut where one ends and the other begins. It can be assumed that historically the Celts of central/northwestern Europe were generally of a taller, fairer phenotype, whereas the Celts towards the south looked more like modern Mediterraneans and hence were generally shorter and swarthier.
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English and German are both Germanic languages, so there are indeed many similarities.
I'm german and english is nowhere like german.

English sounds soft, rounded and through the nose.

Completely different than german.

English is a mix of french and dutch with old scandinavian influences.

All similarities to the german comes from the dutch.
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I'm german and english is nowhere like german.

English sounds soft, rounded and through the nose.

Completely different than german.

English is a mix of french and dutch with old scandinavian influences.

All similarities to the german comes from the dutch.
I'm sorry, but that is not correct. English is no more related to Dutch than it is to High German. Of course English sounds very different to High German - they've both diverged over the course of hundreds of years through changes in the languages such as the High German consonant shift that happened around 500 AD, and the English Great Vowel Shift that happened between 1350 and 1500 AD.

English is technically most closely related to Frisian and Low German, as these languages grew out of similar North Sea Germanic dialects and diverged into separate languages more recently than High German or Dutch. However, the insularity of English has meant that it has diverged more than any other West Germanic language (Dutch and German varieties on the continent are within a dialect continuum).

English has also had heavy North Germanic influence through the Danish/Norse settlements in England, which added greatly to the lexicon and even changed the grammar somewhat. French (or more precisely Norman French) influence has been mostly to the English lexicon (that is, it added words to the vocabulary), but the impact on the grammar was somewhat minimal.
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Also The Irish/Celts have for centuries been more of less a "Lower Class" in England
Because the Irish were mainly Brunn and Paleo Atlantid.


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Celts of central/northwestern Europe were generally of a taller, fairer phenotype, whereas the Celts towards the south looked more like modern Mediterraneans and hence were generally shorter and swarthier.
Paleo Atlantid & Alpine is not Med.


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I'm german and english is nowhere like german.

English sounds soft, rounded and through the nose.

Completely different than german.

English is a mix of french and dutch with old scandinavian influences.

All similarities to the german comes from the dutch.
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I'm sorry, but that is not correct. English is no more related to Dutch than it is to High German. Of course English sounds very different to High German - they've both diverged over the course of hundreds of years through changes in the languages such as the High German consonant shift that happened around 500 AD, and the English Great Vowel Shift that happened between 1350 and 1500 AD.

English is technically most closely related to Frisian and Low German, as these languages grew out of similar North Sea Germanic dialects and diverged into separate languages more recently than High German or Dutch. However, the insularity of English has meant that it has diverged more than any other West Germanic language (Dutch and German varieties on the continent are within a dialect continuum).

English has also had heavy North Germanic influence through the Danish/Norse settlements in England, which added greatly to the lexicon and even changed the grammar somewhat. French (or more precisely Norman French) influence has been mostly to the English lexicon (that is, it added words to the vocabulary), but the impact on the grammar was somewhat minimal.
You both forgot to talk about the Anglo Saxon.
The Anglo Saxon were from Germany.

Beowulf & the Anglo-Saxons (Part 1)


Beowulf & the Anglo-Saxons (Part 2)


Beowulf - "Opening Lines"


Old English / Anglo- Saxon : A Very Brief Introduction


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Because the Irish were mainly Brunn and Paleo Atlantid.
What is that supposed to mean? That these sub-races are inferior, or?

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Paleo Atlantid & Alpine is not Med.
I'm not talking about supposed sub-races, I'm talking about general appearances. The Celts were multi-ethnic and can't just be placed into one or two sub-racial groups. Celtic speakers once lived in southern Europe, and therefore would have had a more tanned appearance.



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You both forgot to talk about the Anglo Saxon.
The Anglo Saxon were from Germany.
Like I said, English grew out of North Sea Germanic dialects. "Germany" didn't exactly exist back then, but the North Sea Germanic peoples that migrated to Britain, such as the Angles, Saxons, Jutes and Frisians, came from where we find modern day Germany, Denmark and Frisia.
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Because the Irish were mainly Brunn and Paleo Atlantid.
Im thinking that had little to do with why the English considered them lower class.
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