Stauffenberg: A Noble and Hero

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Originally Posted by Stimme

I assume some of you might want to kill me for that (as we have a lot of 'ALL FAGGITZ MUST DIE!!!11oneone' guys on this board) but this doesn't make me think less of him. As Sigurd sometimes mentions: It is none of our business what people do inside their own 4 walls. Stauffenberg still had a wife and 3(4?) children. So if he was gay, he still did his part to the preservation of the German people.

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Isn't it always fascinating what kind of despicable, decadent and malicious "facts" and "evidence" totalitarian regimes manage to uncover and reveal about formerly highly decorated and appreciated associates, once they, frequently commanded by their conscience, begin to criticize or even turn openly against the regime, its dictator and its gorged leadership? It's as fascinating as that their secret ser..., er, the neutral and objective investigation committees, of course, never manage to find anything exculpating or positive. :P

I can really imagine Stauffenberg dancing half-naked in women's underwear in front of a mirror to jazz music. As much as I can imagine Hitler chewing on carpets. Not.

Everyone enjoys the liberty to form his own opinion about Stauffenberg, but two facts cannot be disputed:

Firstly, attempting to spare the lives of millions of German recruits and civilians during a war which unarguably was already lost at this time (summer 1944) isn't treacherous but a patriot's duty.

And secondly, whatever Stauffenberg stood for, it wasn't even remotely the pseudo-democratic, anti-fascist, multi-cultural, socialist nonsense today's cowardly governing "elite" of the FRG embraces: anti-German marionettes which really have the impertinence to claim him as one of theirs.

If Stauffenberg lived today, he would look at today's governing prostitutes with utmost disgust and would be considered a "right-wing extremist" and "enemy of the state" by the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution.

There was far more to Hitler than simply a dictator. Stauffenberg, Witzleben, Canaris, von Hassell, Goerdeler and the other conspirators opposed him without seeing from where his mission originated.

I quote from August Kubizek's "Adolf Hitler - Mein Jugendfreund" (Leopold Stocker Verlag, Graz, 1953: special edition 2002, page 111 et seq. Chapter Eleven "In That Hour It Began..."). Here is my free translation:

"...What remains most enduring, clear and potent in the memory of my youthful friendship with Adolf Hitler is not his speeches or even his political ideas, but that night on the Freinberg mountain which decided his future...His decision to follow the path of politician was taken in November 1906 in that lonely hour above the heights of the town of Linz.

"Perhaps the word 'decision' is not the right one, for it was not a decision of choice, but more a visionary recognition, fully outside his Will, of the road he was being obliged to take.

"We had attended a performance of 'Rienzi'. We left the concert hall at midnight and walked along the road which led out of town...it was damp, and a cold mist lay over the streets. The path led through meadowlands above the mist. An unseen energy drove Adolf to the peak of the Freinberg mountain.

"Once there, Adolf stood before me, grasped my hands and held them fast. I had never known him do this before. I felt by the pressure of his hands how deeply emotional he was. His eyes were fevered with excitement.

"Gradually he began to orate freely in a most robust manner. Never before or later did I hear him hold forth as he did that night under the stars. I find it impossible to repeat the words he spoke. I saw in him something quite astounding. It was as if another Ego was speaking from within him, moving him with the same feverish emotion as it did me. It was not an orator becoming enraptured by his own words. On the contrary! I had the impression that Adolf Hitler was amazed as he watched, deeply affected, what was pouring from his mouth with primaeval force...The words broke forth from him like when flood waters pour through a burst dam. In wide-ranging, electrifying images he described his own future and that of the German peoples.

"Until than I had been convinced that my friend wanted to be an artist, a painter, an architect. There was no longer any talk of this. For him something higher existed which I could not understand. It surprised me, because I thought that in his opinion the calling of artist was the highest goal worth aiming for. But now he spoke of a mission which he would receive from the Volk, to lead them from slavery into the uplands of freedom...

"...When on 3 August 1939 I was received as a guest of Reich Chancellor Adolf Hitler at Bayreuth for the first time, I believe it gave him much pleasure to be reminded of that nocturnal hour on the Freinberg. I recalled for Adolf Hitler those memories I retained of our friendship, thinking that his achievements over the intervening thirty-three years would have forced into the background our own common experiences as 17-year olds. As soon as I began speaking I sensed at once that he remembered that hour on the Freinberg very clearly, all details remaining razor-sharp in his mind. It gave him visible pleasure to have his own recollection confirmed.

I was also present when he recounted the Freinberg incident to Frau Wagner, our hostess. I will never forget how he concluded with the grave phrase: "In that hour it began..."


What is suggested here is possession, as a medium is possessed, by some exterior spiritual force. This idea of a mission is reinforced by such things as the study window allowing Hitler to gaze upon the mystical Untersberg mountain with its Templar-Grail history, and Hitler secretly calling the Berghof "Gralsburg" - the fortress of the Grail - insinuating that Hitler himself was the Grail, the cup which held knowledge.

In one of his sixaine verses, Nostradamus hints at Hitler as the 'Phoenix' - the mythical bird which is immolated, rising from the ashes of its own destruction by fire to establish a new realm or Reich. Thus the total defeat. Hitler must have known this from the outset. There are indications that the Allies won 98% of the Second World War, and the 2% they did not win - the retention of the advanced technologies of Thulean origin - will eventually lead to their downfall, utter and final, within our lifetime.

It would have been difficult for Stauffenberg and the others to know all this, or to believe it, and so they set out in their hopeless endeavour to confront and overturn the future history of this planet. They did their best, as they saw their duty, as men, and should be credited for their gallant sacrifice, hopeless and erroneous as it was.

Ew, just saw this disgrace of a thread. People idolizing a jewish traitor, disgusting.

Adolf Hitler was the elected Reichskanzler and the legitim and legal leader of Germany.

Hitler didn't give preferential treatment to nobles, he was a socialist. He looked who was capable and made them a leader.

Treason in the military at wartime is a tricky thing. What should have Hitler done differently? He restored Germany to his hight. Before the war Germany was brimming with energy, dynamic, strength, and so on.

It was the forces of jewish controlled England, France, later jewish controlled Russia and jewish controlled US who attacked with the will to completely destroy Germany. Like erasing Germany as a people.

Would you advocate that Germany just accept the chains of jewish oppression and hate graciously and become an ox to carry a load?

Hitler tried and was almost successful. A small country with a few allies against the rest of the world. What you can see is the fight Germany put up against overwhelming enemies which show the quality of the people of Germany against mongrelized people.

Hitler was not insane. Read his book Mein Kampf and you see a very clear thinking individual. Somebody who was not impressed by the jew propaganda.

To make treason at that point of the war was an unspeakable crime. To think the jewish controlled allies were interested in peace is stupidity of the highest degree. It only can come from nobles who interbred and diminshed their intelligence.

He didn't like the SA? What was his preference? the communist thugs the SA was fighting? Because they protected the NS movement against evil contenders in a not so noble way?

Stauffenberg was at best a stupid idealist and worst a paid traitor to the german people. That the pc world is laudating him and claiming him as a hero is a telltale sign that he was part of the antigermanic faction of the world.

He was killed for his action and thus righteously so.

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Originally Posted by Gebirgsjäger

Stauffenberg was a coward and a traitor ! Nothing else ... he betrayed the Führer , the Fatherland and the ideals of National Socialism ...

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Did he? As far as I remember he wasn't that fond of Hitler but also wished Germany to be the high nation of Europe or even the world. Had he succeeded in assassinating Hitler, he would have caused Germany's capitulation to his enemies. The country's faith would thus have been the same as with his failure but think about the outcome of possible negotiations between the Third Reich and the allies: No bombing of German cities shortly before the end of the war, no 'burned soil', no desperate acts to gain new territories in Russia with high prices (the loss of many German soldiers) to pay.

On Thiazi I once read an user's post about Speer's Germania-Berlin being possible if Germany had negotiated soon enough so that the allies had not destroyed it. German culture would have gained great reputation in the world for such a beautiful city.

Was he a traitor to Hitler? Absolutely. Was he a traitor to National Socialism? I doubt this for he was still a high rank member of the Wehrmacht fighting the allies, Germany's enemies. A traitor would not have done this if he had not believed in the NS ideology.

Germans made so many peace efforts but they were all rejected. The allies had planed the complete destruction of Germany.

To believe a Colonel could make peace were AH himself couldn't was preposterous. To believe that AH was a block to peace doesn't fit facts.

You pro stauffenberg folks are living in a dream world.
The operative phrase is "unconditional surrender". Anyone with even cursory
knowledge of history realizes that the "allies" had no intention of "negotiating"
with Germany in any way, shape, or form.

The jew/communists had already thoroughly demonstrated their bestial
treatment of captured/conquered peoples starting with the Russian people
themselves in 1917 through the genocides in the Ukraine and in Estonia,
Latvia, and Lithuania.
And the "western" allies i.e. england-france amply demonstrated their
re-lie-ability in negotiations after the "armistice" of 1918.
Can you say "starve the Germans into submission".

Really, you folks need to get real. Or at least get in touch with reality.

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Originally Posted by Stimme

Did he? As far as I remember he wasn't that fond of Hitler but also wished Germany to be the high nation of Europe or even the world. Had he succeeded in assassinating Hitler, he would have caused Germany's capitulation to his enemies. The country's faith would thus have been the same as with his failure but think about the outcome of possible negotiations between the Third Reich and the allies: No bombing of German cities shortly before the end of the war, no 'burned soil', no desperate acts to gain new territories in Russia with high prices (the loss of many German soldiers) to pay.

On Thiazi I once read an user's post about Speer's Germania-Berlin being possible if Germany had negotiated soon enough so that the allies had not destroyed it. German culture would have gained great reputation in the world for such a beautiful city.

Was he a traitor to Hitler? Absolutely. Was he a traitor to National Socialism? I doubt this for he was still a high rank member of the Wehrmacht fighting the allies, Germany's enemies. A traitor would not have done this if he had not believed in the NS ideology.

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He was a traitor to the principles of National Socialism because he ignored the leadership principle. Hitler was central to National Socialism. Not as a private person but as a leader. Stauffenberg wanted to kill the incarnation of Germany, the nation National Socialism stood for.

Stauffenberg was only the top of the iceberg !

The traitors of the OKW, OKH and Abwehr have done more damage since 1935.