Stauffenberg: A Noble and Hero

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Originally Posted by Jäger

What are ideological fallacies?

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Idologocally motivated claims and pipe-dreams that do not become true even after having repeated a thousand times. For example people wake up to the immigration problem after immigrants commit more and more crimes, or people re-detect their heritage in times of an economic crisis.

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Originally Posted by Jäger

No, that means both the SU and the US might have found enough reasons, contrary to your claim they wouldn't.

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What reason would the US have had to go to war with a peaceful self-orientated Germany? And again, there is no doubt the SU was an aggressive empire, still this sort of policy can´t be a model. I´s a typical NS sham to point with the finger at Stalin for having invaded the Baltics, and GB for having conquered many people world wide, but ignore the fact the invasions of neighbouring European countries also is an inacceptable aggression.

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Originally Posted by Jäger

You do that very often, make a claim, and when a response disproves you, you talk like you wouldn't have said anything before.

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Noone has disproven me - I just made clear the classic NS promoted here overall is no improvement to the current FRG. It was said " iIf liberal values act as a benchmark for non-liberal ideologies.." if, but it is not. The liberal democracy, communism and national-socialism altogether are all the coffin nails for traditionalism and German/European heritage, not just one of these examples.

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Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

I am all for self-defence - but propagating the same errors made during the 3rd Reich will not lead to any sort of awakening.

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No, let's just propagate that we are facing destruction, but that we are not allowed to work towards our continuation, because of the liberal system of morality that is causing it in the first place.

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Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

Counter-measures?

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There are examples of conflicts that did not trigger a nuclear response and there are also communities that have proven greater resilience against the West. I suppose one could get some ideas this way and build on that.

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Originally Posted by Aptrgangr

The message we need to attack Poland etc.pp. reaches only a fringe group.

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It is more about the attitude that this is permissible if it is both feasible and helpful to us.

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...and the result is plain to see. It is about making a change into a positive direction, something NS obviously can´t offer.

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Ideas can be abstracted and re-employed if they fit, but historical reenactment is not a goal as such, if that is what you mean.

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What reason would the US have had to go to war with a peaceful self-orientated Germany?

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None, just like the US has no interest in going to war with England, which is happily debasing and killing itself, calling that victory.

Source: Deutsche Welle (7-20-09)
Ceremonies to mark the failed asssassination attempt of July 20, 1944, will be held at the Berlin Resistance Memorial Centers at Bendlerblock, seat of the Defense Ministry and a major memorial for the assassination plot, and at Ploetzensee, the former prison where many hundreds of people were executed between 1933 and 1945.

In addition, German conscripts take their traditional solemn oath at a swearing-in ceremony in front of the Reichstag building on Monday. Chancellor Angela Merkel and Defense Minister Franz Josef Jung are expected to address the roughly 400 Bundeswehr soldiers of the 3rd and 7th company of the guard, who will then pledge to "faithfully serve the Federal Republic of Germany and to bravely defend the German people's rights and freedom."

The ceremonial oath is taken annually on July 20th in commemoration of the conspirators of the failed assassination of Adolf Hitler on that date in 1944.



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Strangely enough, this has to be the first year I did not see much of commemoration of Stauffenberg on the news: Obama The Messiah has been in office for half a year, and it's been 40 years since the first Moon Landing.

In the light of the two great achievements of contemporate history - wasting several billions of taxpayers' money to put a man on the moon; and getting a mulatto into office that has thus far only talked and talked but not acted particularly much (apart from dissolving Guantanamo Bay and subsequentlycheekily asking Europe if we can take some prisoners in, of course! :thumbdown) - this "greatest hero of German history" has been utterly forgotten in commemoration.

Such a shame, really... ;)

It remains a failed attempt. :D
Guess this is all they could muster seeing as he denied them the sick pleasure of Nuremberg.:P

Staufenberg was a worthless traitor who's actions severely crippled the third Reich and he is no hero,by any standards.Planting a bomb and running is a cowardly and traiterous act that the German people must stop glorifying.Hitler was the Fuhrer and was by far the fgreater man,perhaps the greatest German ever,.

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Originally Posted by Curleycc

Staufenberg was a worthless traitor who's actions severely crippled the third Reich and he is no hero,by any standards.Planting a bomb and running is a cowardly and traiterous act that the German people must stop glorifying.Hitler was the Fuhrer and was by far the fgreater man,perhaps the greatest German ever,.

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I 100% agree with you !

What those idiot traitors didn't even realise then(or their glorifiers now), was that the enemy would not settle for peace even with them: the total destruction of Deutschland and of the German spirit was their goal!

For what it's worth. From TBR News.Dec 10, 2007

" After the 20. Juli attentat, Hitler had Heinrich Müller, Chef of Amt IV (Gestapo) of the RSHA set up a Sonderkommission to investigate the ramifications of the plot.

According to Müller's microfilmed official files, Claus Schenck Graf von Stauffenberg, and his brother, Brethold, were both practicing homosexuals and earlier had been active and participating members of the 'Stefan George Kreise' which was entirely homosexual in nature.

Claus and his brother, who was in the Kreigsmarine as a Richter, lived in Berlin and after the failed attentat, the Gestapo raided their house. It was stuffed with blackmarket goods, all forbidden, many photo albums of naked young men and women's clothing and many photographs also found in the house, showed clearly that Claus was a 175er without question.

The Müller files also contain pictures of Claus in women's underwear which, I assure you, is not appetizing.

Since Claus has been elevated to the political sainthood in Germany, any records concerning his perversions that might be in the Bundesarchiv are closed to pubic inspection.

It is fortunate for objective history that a full copy of Müller Sonderkommission papers survived the war although Müller ordered all Gestapo records destroyed before the war's end.

As you might not know, Heinrich Müller survived the war by going to Switzerland under the name of Schwartzer and in 1948, was recruited by his standing deputy, SS-Oberführer Willi Krichbaum (later head of the Geheime Feldpolizei) who was working down at Bad Reichenhall for U.S. Colonel James Critchfield's Gehlen Org, then located at Pullach.

I have boxes of documentation, and rolls of microfilms, that both the current German government, the CIA and members of the Stauffenberg family, not to mention the motion picture company now preparing a film on Stauffenberg's role in the attentat, would dearly like to redact, if not destroy.

Fortunately for objective truth, I do not agree with them and in the months to come, intend to publish some of the more interesting documents...and especially photographs...for the edification and education of the public.

As an antidote to Tom Cruise strutting around the sound stage (and I suspect he was type-cast for the role) we can see Claus in his step-ins and engaged in homoerotic activity with handsome young soldiers.

The brief mention of Claus' deviant activities in the last issue of tbrnews is the opening shot and I assure you, with great pleasure, there will be much more to come.

The really gratifying aspect of this entire scenario is that there is absolutely nothing anyone can do to prevent this.

Hochachtungsvoll!

Walter Storch"

I assume some of you might want to kill me for that (as we have a lot of 'ALL FAGGITZ MUST DIE!!!11oneone' guys on this board) but this doesn't make me think less of him. As Sigurd sometimes mentions: It is none of our business what people do inside their own 4 walls. Stauffenberg still had a wife and 3(4?) children. So if he was gay, he still did his part to the preservation of the German people.

Stauffenberg was the last triggerman in a long line of political assassins or patriots (depending on which side of the fence one stands) who were out to eliminate Hitler (the crazy man) the Nazis and the Third Reich. Like all the others, he failed, was taken prisoner, tortured and executed.

As for all of this forthcoming "evidence" about his sexual pecadillios and the like, has anyone even stopped and thought that it all may have been "planted" simply to assassinate Stauffenberg's character at the time of his execution and in the future? A common practice by the SS, Gestapo and Courts at the time to "doctor up" the files before closing them.