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  • Cheddar Man Was Black?

    I've been hearing and reading about this fossil found England for twenty years. Now we're being told he had extremely dark skin despite the fact that he lived in Northern Europe? Doesn't it take very fair skin to live in a part of the world which doesn't get much sunlight unless you're consuming a good amount of fish(rich in vitamin D)? If you're dark and living in an area distant from the tropics without access to sources of vitamin D, you're at risk for rickets. This disorder can deform and even cause death in children. That's why modern Europeans are white skinned.
    This Cheddar Man lived ten thousand years ago and he and his people didn't arrive in Northern Europe overnight. He/They must have spent time in other parts of Europe which would have required much skin lightening; unless you were doing much fishing.
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    For skin tone, there are a handful of genetic variants linked to reduced pigmentation, including some that are very widespread in European populations today. However, Cheddar Man had “ancestral” versions of all these genes, strongly suggesting he would have had “dark to black” skin tone, but combined with blue eyes.
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    In other words, they do not know what skin phenotype these "ancestral" versions of genes (linked to reduced pigmentation) produce. They "suggest" (sic!) Cheddar Man could have been black, because they want him to be black. The idea serves the control system's agenda to promote racial indifferentism. Light skin tone is a recessive trait; it could never have spread over the population of a whole continent by the exceptional occurrences of random-mutations in a few individuals and consequent selection bias. It's a myth.

    That way the Congolese will never get as light as Britons, not in a million years, no matter where they live. No mutation that creates new meaningful information has ever been observed.

    White people are white because they were created that way. And Northern Europeans were lighter in the past than they are now, as historians of the antique have unambiguously recorded. All what we are witnessing since then is more and more levelling and gradual devolution. A welcome development for those who despise the handiwork of the Creator.
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    • #3
      "Cheddar Man" sounds more like a capture than an original citizen. Once again they find this one example and claim this is what all the rest must have looked like.
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      • #4
        I had read somewhere that scientists think light eyes developed before light skin. It certainly doesn't make early Europeans "black," however. I mean, it's not like early European man looked like people from Senegal or anything like that.

        Also, nobody traces their cultural heritage all the way back to stone age man anyway, so the appearance of these people ought not be politicized.
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        • #5
          Here is what Varg is saying about this, he makes a very good point and very similar to Thorburn's

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            • #7
              I don’t really understand the fuss about this finding from either side, for multiple reasons.

              1. It has been known for years that Western Hunter Gatherers lacked the two derived alleles most characteristic to differentiate European and non-European skin pigmentation. It would have been actually surprising, had this not been the case for Hunter Gatherers in Britain.
              At one point it was believed(based on a handful of samples from Spain, France and Luxembourg), that this blue-eyed and “dark”-skinned pigmentation was ubiquitous in Europe.

              Yet, by now we have the genomes of brown-eyed, light skinned and fair haired Eastern Hunter Gatherers, mostly brown-eyed hunter gatherers with intermediate skin colour from Romania and Scandinavian Hunter Gatherers with blue or brown eyes, light or intermediate skin and dark or fair hair.
              "The Genomic History of Southeastern Europe":




              2. These alleles are almost fixed in basically all European populations, yet obvious strong differences in skin pigmentation exist between European populations.
              Also, that doesn’t explain East Asian light skin pigmentation or even the strong intra-African differences in pigmentation.
              So there must be much more to it and some of the other alleles that might explain these differences, are already known. To base Cheddar man’s pigmentation solely on those two alleles, is bad scientific work, at best.


              3. But the most important point is, that it’s all irrelevant because the genetic contribution of a Cheddar-like population to the British gene pool is essentially zero. In Britain, after these Hunter Gatherers came the Neolithic farmers from somewhere entirely different, very likely from Iberia. They had minor Hunter Gatherer ancestry from Iberia and might have mixed with the few local Cheddar man like Hunter Gatherers.

              Yet that was far from the end of the story either:
              Per "“The Beaker Phenomenon And The Genomic Transformation Of Northwest Europe"”:
              “Our results imply a minimum of 93±2% local population turnover by the Middle Bronze Age. Specifically, for individuals from Britain around 2000 BCE, at least this fraction of their DNA derives from ancestors who at 2500 BCE lived in continental Europe.”


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              That doesn’t even factor in later Celtic and Germanic migrations. So, anyone with half a brain cell, which probably excludes 93±2% () of journalists, can calculate how “much” Cheddar man contributed to the British.


              Originally posted by Thorburn View Post

              Light skin tone is a recessive trait; it could never have spread over the population of a whole continent by the exceptional occurrences of random-mutations in a few individuals and consequent selection bias. It's a myth.
              Why would it be a myth, a single random mutation and subsequent selection(with non-bearers simply dying off or being less attractive to mate with by being less healthy) could lead to ubiquitous distribution in no time, especially if the population is small. And effective population size was very low for most of European history.

              No mutation that creates new meaningful information has ever been observed.
              What?

              And Northern Europeans were lighter in the past than they are now, as historians of the antique have unambiguously recorded.
              Possibly but it doesn’t seem highly likely, looking at the currently available genetic evidence. See above.
              And, apart from the fact that there aren’t even that many physical descriptions by Romans and Greeks. They’re not conclusive anyway, since we don’t know if what we translate as blond, ruddy or fair, actually had the same meaning for them as it did for us. Even within modern Europe, what is blonde for an Italian, might be brown hair to a Swede. Since ancient Southern Europeans were even darker than their modern admixed descendants, it’s highly likely that even very moderate fairness would be considered blondism back then.

              [qutoe]White people are white because they were created that way. […]All what we are witnessing since then is more and more levelling and gradual devolution. A welcome development for those who despise the handiwork of the Creator.[/QUOTE]
              Really...?
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              "Die Lehre von der Spaltung in Norddeutschland und Süddeutschland ist irrig, falsch und verrucht. Es ist eine Lehre von einem bösen Feind ausgegangen. Es gibt ein Norddeutschland und es gibt ein Süddeutschland wie es eine rechte und eine linke Hand am Menschen gibt. Aber der Mensch ist eins und hat nur einen Sinn und ein Herz, und Deutschland ist ein und soll nur einen Sinn und ein Herz haben." - Wartburgfest 1817

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              • #8
                Can someone tell me how this man and his kin survived with skin that is characteristic of people in the tropical areas of the world? This man has the skin tone of someone who lives in Equatorial Africa, Sri Lanka, or Melanesia. As a world traveler(not recently), I can say Cheddar Man's skin tone resembles a tropical person's.
                We've heard the Out of Africa migration which branched off into several migration waves into Europe required very fair skin. There's a great distance between the Middle East and Mediterranean and Northern Europe. This dark man's people would have experienced health problems due to vitamin D deficiency during migration over millennia. You need vitamin D to absorb certain nutrients. How was this man and his dark skinned people able to produce vitamin D from sunlight exposure or consume enough vitamin D rich food?
                Someone brought up the lack of certain genes responsible for very fair skin in Europe's prehistoric populations. Okay. Can you explain how people so dark could have survived in an area without sunlight due to the lack of sunlight due to latitude and the need to cover one's body for protection from the cold? This would have contributed to vitamin D deficiency.
                By the way; why would you bring up this man's eye color and the hair colors' of other European prehistoric populations? The function of an organ(skin)is the issue. Dark skin is needed for UV protection; fair skin for vitamin D production when there's a lack of sunlight and/or vitamin D rich food.

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