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bdm
Friday, November 30th, 2007, 06:50 PM
In today's modern deindustrialised western economies, what are some of the more typical blue-collar occupations open to the undereducated and unskilled. Forty years ago a kid could quit high school and pick up a good union paying job working on an assembly line in a car factory, or working as a production labourer in a foundry or steel mill. Obviously, today such occupations are lost and gone forever, yet we still have great numbers leaving high school either early without credentials, or graduating from blackbottom urban high schools with poor standards. Where then, in todays post-industrial economy, do these kind of people without any apprenticeship training, college or university education end up working, and what are some of the more typical occupations today you would find them involved in?

ladybright
Friday, November 30th, 2007, 07:26 PM
Low end service and retail positions. In eastern michigan (where I know a lot of auto/machine shop workers) it is getting much harder to find shop jobs.

I am currently reading 'Stiffed (http://www.nytimes.com/books/99/09/26/daily/092899faludi-book-review.html)' which has a lot to say about the economic changes as they affect men in particular. I am only 150 pagesd in but so far I recomend it. Nickle and Dimed (http://www.barbaraehrenreich.com/nickelanddimed.htm) has an interesting look at service jobs. From a liberal woman but still an good book to read.

Rassenpapst
Friday, November 30th, 2007, 07:58 PM
In Finland people who don't have secondary education are typically unemployed and living with their parents until they are 18.

The army is often their last chance to transform themselves to productive members of the society. I knew a person there who had dropped out from the vocational school but was accepted to the reserve officer school and did well during his service.

An employers noticed his officer rank which is rare among men of his social class. He was able to obtain a good job in a brewery.

On the other hand, losers who avoid the draft will never achieve anything in their lives. Socialist education programs aimed to integrate them to the society rarely benefit these individuals.

Next World
Friday, November 30th, 2007, 08:20 PM
A few lucky ones start their own businesses.

They get go to the temp-work office and try to compete with the Mexicans. They do all sorts of things, work in factories, stocking trucks, carpentry, steelwork, so on. Anything where you need a-dime-a-dozen workers. This turns out for the better for a good deal of them, as if they work on a certain job with someone (a couple weeks or months), they might get a contract with them. Once they have the contract, they have a couple years or more of a skill to put on their resumes.

My brother had a job for a while where all he did was compare the call sheets for orders with the contents of boxes. Surprisingly, my sister's boyfriend also got sent to the same place to do the same job through a temp agency.

There's always retail/grocery, cashiering, "server", "sales associate" positions, so on. If one is creative or in dire need, they might get a job with a less common employer, as a secretary, file clerk, custodian, so on. Being a prep-chef or telemarketer/call center operator is also pretty good for someone with no real qualifications.

A good idea is to get one of these crappy little piddley jobs and to find an internship with something that requires a history, but you all ready have a skill or talent for. Internships aren't just for offices, bakeries, publications, and craft stores often offer them.

It is possible to build your way up the career ladder without formal education, it just takes a lot more planning, thought, patience, and respect for needs over desires.

ChaosLord
Saturday, December 1st, 2007, 04:03 PM
Best way to get a blue-collar job is to go through a trade school or an apprenticeship, mainly electrician, pipe fitters, plumbers, etc.

Freydis
Saturday, December 1st, 2007, 04:36 PM
Precarious employment is usually where people end up. Precarious employment being that without benefits, high risks, and usually no union and poor treatment.

I'm studying it right now..