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Evolved
Wednesday, July 16th, 2003, 03:11 PM
DNA studies in Hungary state that the Hungarian
people are 88% European, 12% Uralic. According to Koltai Eva or Richard McCulloch, 25-30% of Hungarians have some Turanid facial features, but this rather high number is unlikely with the 88% European DNA evidence. The least common hair color for Hungary is red or light reddish shades of hair, owing any presence to the Celts and Slavs who inhabited the Carpathian basin in ancient times. The main race types in Hungary

Alpine: The Central European standard type man is the most numerous in Hungary. Hungarian Prime Minister Dr. Medgyessy Péter is of this type.

http://www.mkogy.hu/kepv98/kepek/m777.jpg

Dinaric: This is a blend type of the Alpine, Mediterranean and Armenoid races and very numerous in Hungary, especially in the South and East. Széchenyi István, 'the Greatest Hungarian', was of this type.

http://www.mabi.hu/image/szechenyi.jpg


Noric: This is a blend type of the Dinaric and Nordic race, with features from either type and found where Nordic and Dinaric people contacted one another. The Noric man is typically blond and blue eyed with light skin. Liszt Ferenc (http://www.kfki.hu/keptar/kep/k/kugler/muvek/liszt.jpg) was a Noric type.

Nordic: Definitely not the main race of Hungary, but Nordics are found in about 2-4% of the population. Gabulya Brigitta is mostly of this type. (She has some Dinaric admixture too, proving how difficult it is to find completely Nordic types!)

http://www.hungarian-models.com/girls/039/pic01.jpg

Turanid: This is type was one of the main components of the Turkic Hunnish people and also found in a minority of Conquest era Magyars. Also some connection to Cumanians (Kunok) and Besenyő. It is an old European-Asian contact race. It is the most common type in Kazakhstan today. Dr. Turi-Kovács Béla is of this type.

http://www.mkogy.hu/kepv98/kepek/t004.jpg

Mediterranean: Associated with the Jász people of Iranian origin and those descended from Romans of Pannonia, Mediterraneans are not very common in 'pure' form. Koncz Zsolt is mostly of this local Jász Mediterranean type, with some Dinaric.

http://www.hungarian-models.com/boys/019/pic02.jpg

Ladogan: This type is not very common in 'pure' form. This is an ancient Upper Paleolithic race of European, often confused with the Turanid type. This type is totally indigenous to Europe. This unknown man is a Ladogan type from Budapest.

http://www.legioneuropa.org/Racediv/CSCoon/Images/p2f1.gif

Here is an Ob-Ugric (Russian Vengr) man of the same type.

http://www.legioneuropa.org/Racediv/CSCoon/Images/p2f3.gif

East-Baltic: Common type in Finland and found in North Europe. This type was among the Conquest Era Hungarians in a large number. Újhelyi István is mostly of this type.

http://www.mkogy.hu/kepv98/kepek/u004.jpg

Ominous Lord Spoonblade
Wednesday, July 16th, 2003, 10:26 PM
Hello Koncz :inlove

I like how you always post examples when you make threads on certain types in a country :) Especially when they look like Koncz hehehe

Milesian
Wednesday, July 16th, 2003, 10:42 PM
Hmmm...doesn't he have one of those "Fag Faces"?
:smilies

Ominous Lord Spoonblade
Wednesday, July 16th, 2003, 10:50 PM
Originally posted by Milesian
Hmmm...doesn't he have one of those "Fag Faces"?


NOOO WAY! :sick He has one of those...devilishly handsome mediterranean faces?? :D

He has not a fag face! HAS NOT! :grind

Milesian
Wednesday, July 16th, 2003, 10:56 PM
Ah, sorry. I must have made a mistake then....:halo

Azdaja
Wednesday, July 16th, 2003, 11:58 PM
I don't think he has a full blown fag face, but there is some minor fruity admixture.

Yeah, I'm bored.

Evolved
Thursday, July 17th, 2003, 06:54 AM
Originally posted by Vanessa
Hello Koncz :inlove

I like how you always post examples when you make threads on certain types in a country :) Especially when they look like Koncz hehehe

To each her own.. :peace

I'll take commie boy and fellow big-foreheaded extraterrestrial Steve-o Újhelyi then. :D

Serbian Krieger
Sunday, July 2nd, 2006, 12:27 PM
On site: http://www.geocities.com/zakus_1999/Races.html I've read this:


Hungary

35% Neo-Danubian (most common or m.c. - NE)
25% Turanid (of Magyar derivation, semi-mongoloid)
20% Dinaric (m.c. - SW)
15% Alpine (m.c. - S)
2% Nordic ( Germanic invasion impact )
2% Noric
1% E.Mediterranean


Well, I must say that I deeply dissagree with this. First of all, I live in Vojvodina where live about 300.000 of Hungarians, and also I have been to Hungary - in Budapest, Szeged and Baja; and everywhere I've seen the same picture...


1.) When we speak about Turanids I must say that in my whole life I've seen only a few Hungarians with apparent 'mongoloid' features, but offcorse all of them could pass as white. Even if there are some regions in Hungary where this type is present in some bigger number, I think that it can't be more than 5% of total population.


2.) When we speak about Baltic sub-race, I think that west-Baltid type is also common beside Neo-Danubians.


3.) I think that pure Dinarics are not so much present, maybe 10%. I've seen a lot of Norics (mixed Nordids-Dinarics).


4.) I agree about Alpines, but I must mention that Borreby type also is not unusual in Hungary.


5.) When we speak about Nordish sub-race I think that Nordish and sub-Nordish types are much more present than 2% - maybe even 10%.


6.) I think that East Mediterranean type is also much more present than 1% - maybe about 5%.


What are your opinions about this?

Agrippa
Sunday, July 2nd, 2006, 02:55 PM
You are absolutely right. The high Turanid percentage stems mostly from the Hungarian nationalist trial to identify the Hungarians with a race on their own and their glorious past of steppe warriors to some degree. But thats not true, the Turanid/Aralid/Mongoloid percentage is low, though this influence is present and can be recognised.

I agree too that Mediterranid/Pontid and Nordid is much stronger than in this table. 1 percent Pontid/Mediterranid and 2 percent Nordid is ridiculous! Going after that table 60 percent would have significant Mongoloid-Lappoid influences whats absolutely wrong.

Mannerheim
Sunday, July 2nd, 2006, 06:05 PM
On site: http://www.geocities.com/zakus_1999/Races.html I've read this:







Well, I must say that I deeply dissagree with this. First of all, I live in Vojvodina where live about 300.000 of Hungarians, and also I have been to Hungary - in Budapest, Szeged and Baja; and everywhere I've seen the same picture...


1.) When we speak about Turanids I must say that in my whole life I've seen only a few Hungarians with apparent 'mongoloid' features, but offcorse all of them could pass as white. Even if there are some regions in Hungary where this type is present in some bigger number, I think that it can't be more than 5% of total population.


2.) When we speak about Baltic sub-race, I think that west-Baltid type is also common beside Neo-Danubians.


3.) I think that pure Dinarics are not so much present, maybe 10%. I've seen a lot of Norics (mixed Nordids-Dinarics).


4.) I agree about Alpines, but I must mention that Borreby type also is not unusual in Hungary.


5.) When we speak about Nordish sub-race I think that Nordish and sub-Nordish types are much more present than 2% - maybe even 10%.


6.) I think that East Mediterranean type is also much more present than 1% - maybe about 5%.


What are your opinions about this?





I believe you.

These kind of pseudo researches make me throw up cause these are far too old to be correct.

And btw,theres no such thing as Neo-danubian.It is just imagination of some luna. Neo - Danubians are same like example some cartoons - imagination.

Serbian Krieger
Sunday, July 2nd, 2006, 09:32 PM
You are absolutely right. The high Turanid percentage stems mostly from the Hungarian nationalist trial to identify the Hungarians with a race on their own and their glorious past of steppe warriors to some degree. But thats not true, the Turanid/Aralid/Mongoloid percentage is low, though this influence is present and can be recognised.
Yes, you're right. On http://www.network54.com/Forum/ and some other forums I've noticed several Hungarians who claim that Hungarians are 'related' to Turks. They even go so far that they deny any connection with Finns and Estonians, which is nonsense ofcourse, cause I've heard how Finnish language sounds and it apparently sound very simmilar to Hungarian language. Here is what one Hungarian Turko-phile say about this issue:



Minchikie


Magyars and Finns have NOTHING in common but a few words that arent even similar that was separated by about 5000 years ago , WE are NOT at all related in any way and new studies can clarify that fact!!!!

they can also tell you if you look it up that we have more connections to Turks with language and DNA!

Hungarians are from ASIA ( and im proud of that ), and Finns from the north!!


The "finno-ugric" LANGUAGE theory isnt fact, just a theory! but new evidence is beginning to throw that whole theory out the window saying that (hungarian) is now apart of the Ural-Altaic branch!

not only that but also of Sumerian influence which was just recently discovered!
....


erno BUTA
you are wrong!!!!!
we have NOTHING in relation to finns. WE HAVE NO MATCH LINKING DNA WITH FINNS AT ALL!!!! JUST A FEW WORDS THAT ARE SEPARATED BY THOUSANDS OF YEARS!!!!


WHY ARE YOU KIDDING YOURSELF??

What a fool...:thumbdown According to some linguists there are about 200 words with common roots in Hungarian and Finnis language. Offcourse, there is also about 200 words of Turkish origin in Hungarian language because Hungarians were under Turkish rule for about 150 years, in the same way as we Serbs have even more than 200 Turkish words in our language because we were under Turkish occupation for about 400 years. Not to mention that more than 80% of Turks can't be classify as racially European.
And this is also interesting when we speak about Fenno-Ugrians:

The living fish swims in water.

Elav kala ujub vee all (Estonian).
Elävä kala ui veden alla (Finnish).
Eleven hal úszkál a víz alatt (Hungarian).

Hungarian-Finnish
kéz - käsi - hand
hal - hala - fish
menni - mennä - go
száj - suu - mouth (word is szó in hungarian)
szem - silmä - eye
kutya - koira - dog
ég - taivas - sky (however, landscape is called táj in todays hungarian, which is very similar to taivas)
verellä = vér-rel = with blood
kala-lla = hal-lal = the fish [has]
kala = hal = fish
käsi = kéz = hand
mesi = méz = honey
sarvi = szarv = horn
voi = vaj = butter
elävä = eleven = alive
mennä = menni = to go
repää = reped = to be torn
niellä = nyelni = swallow
miniä = meny = daughter-in-law


Jään alla talvella elävät kalat uiskentelevat.
Jég alatt télen eleven halak uszkálnak.
In wintertime living fish swim under the ice.

Kivistä verinen oli vävyn käsi.
Kövektől véres volt veje keze.
Stones had made the brother-in-law's hand bloody.

Orvon silmä kyyneliä täynnä.
Árva szeme könnyel tele.
The orphan's eye, full of tears.

Ken meni meidän edessämme?
Ki ment mi elöttünk?
Who went before us?

Miniäni antoi voita.
Menyem adott vajat.
My daughter-in-law gave butter.


(Please don't use such large font! - Oswiu)