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Agrippa
Thursday, October 13th, 2005, 08:39 PM
Why Negroids are the better runners

But it should be added that West African sprinters are not the best (genetically) for the long range, nor are East Africans the best for sprints. The versatile field is dominated by Europids and Mongolids and extremely long range (Marathon) is rather balanced, if the run goes through hilly areas, Eurasians do better again me thinks.

Negrids have a lower weight and subcutaneous fat on average relative to their muscles, what makes them such good runners too. But without their muscle structure, f.e. progressive Europid males could compete with them easily.
But those West African Negrids were selected for small group sprint hunting rather than large social organisations and big group hunting strategies. That made them more individualistic and sexual oriented (less group plans, easier survival of individuals), more masculine and aggressive (especially males, thats a reason why Negrid females are (so much - females are fit generally better in the liberal Western school system) more successful in a Western school system). Such small group (sprint) hunters wouldnt have won in other regions of the world (f.e. Europe, Arctic hunters) for various reasons, so this specialisation on that would have been disadvantageous elsewhere most likely (bad temperature control, high need for physical energy but at the same time somewhat lower endurance, low group efficiency etc.)
His body type is not that extreme for a Negrid with the exception of his muscles partially and efficiency in short range runs. He is generally not that extreme and rather physically progressive for Negrid standards if its about his head and facial features.

So basically, this West African type was really bred for the sprint and explosive muscle power - its his prime advantage, even the only one if compared with other types.

East African types (Nilotid, Aethiopid) are more leptomorphic build, less muscles, long extremities, whats good for long range in general (with low energy consumption in particular) and typical for mobile groups. An environmental factor for Ethiopia and Kenia is the higher topography - thin air is always good for lung development and on the long run such things are not just modifications, but are also racially selected, which leads to more efficient oxygen use and again a reduction of useless mass (like muscles you dont need - same like in leptomorphic herder types).
Dry heat is another factor which strengthened the same trend.

They have more long muscles, but less muscle and fat mass, an efficient respiratory system, are adapted to higher areas (thin air), leptomorphic build (and rangy) for that and other reasons best in long range runs = East Africans. They dominate in aerobic sports obviously.

West Africans on the other hand have a higher muscle mass, especially a higher percentage of a certain muscle type, but still the body fat and weight is low, the masculine tendency extreme. They are better in anaerobic (especially explosive short time power) sports as long as no constant strong muscle power is needed and long extremities are disadvantageous.

Some sources I found:

Unfortunately no access:
http://www.sciencemag.org/cgi/content/summary/305/5684/637?rbfvrToken=9e84da1dd1790e5fa002eb227 35718b4b75e1e63

Over the years there have been more than two hundred studies comparing the body composition of athletes, with the work of British physician James M. Tanner the most famous. His The Physique of the Olympic Athlete, published in 1960 after the Rome Olympics, found an ideal body for each sport, although the study noted considerable overlap in types - a classic bell curve. Sprinters were the most muscular. Beginning at 400 meters on up to the marathon, athletes competing in these events were progressively less muscular in the upper body. Long-distance runners were generally small, short-legged, narrow-shouldered, and ectomorphic, or lacking in muscle.

For years it was axiomatic that muscles have two types of fibers - white, or fast-twitch, which were thought to be adapted for power movements, such as leaping or sprinting; and red, or slow-twitch, which were adapted for endurance. Now we know the model is more complicated. There are in fact two different types of fast-twitch fibers, one more metabolically efficient. Whites on average have a higher percentage of slow-twitch fibers than West African blacks who generally have more of both types of fast-twitch fibers.

The West Africans, by a ratio of approximately two to one, had more of the larger fast-twitch fibers. The researchers concluded that the force generating capacity of type-II muscle fibers at high velocity, the speed and tempo of movements, and the capacity of an individual to adapt to exercise training are all genetically influenced.

For aerobic sports:
Noakes's colleague, Bengt Saltin, head of the Muscle Research Institute in Denmark, has come to the conclusion that certain population groups, including Northern Europeans, who are notable endurance runners and cross-country skiers, may have superior fatigue resistance encoded in their genes. He has found that Scandinavian distance runners, Kenyans, and South African blacks all have consistently lower blood-lactate levels and perform more efficiently than athletes from other regions, the likely result of their having evolved in mountainous regions. Population genetics - ancestry - is the key determinant.

Here the authors forgot to mention the different lifestyle their ancestors had, they were more mobile people, usually herder warriors (like East African Aethiopids, original Nordid variants) and of leptomorphic type with longer extremities.

But still leptomorphic Europids are not as specialised:
In a subsequent study Saltin brought several groups of Kenyans to the Karolinska labs in Sweden, where he was then working. Muscle-fiber distribution was similar for the Kenyans and Swedes. But biopsies of the quadricep muscles in the thighs indicated that the Kenyans had more blood-carrying capillaries surrounding the muscle fibers and more mitochondria within the fibers. That's important because mitochondria act a little like power stations, processing the glucose with oxygen brought in by breathing into energy. The Kenyans also were found to have relatively smaller muscle fibers than the Swedes, which Saltin speculated might serve to bring the mitochondria closer to the surrounding capillaries. This process aids in oxidation, bringing more "fuel" to the mitochondria, the engine of the muscles.

They have more of the muscle enzymes that burn fat, and their glycogen reserves are not burned as quickly, which improves endurance.

But in a temperate and even more cold climate, this would lead to too much energy and temperature losses.

Saltin has privately suggested that Kenyans appear to be innately efficient, durable, and fast - with the most perfect aerobic potential measured so far on earth.

The key point is that these biological characteristics are not unique to either West or East African blacks. These characteristics are seen in all populations, including whites. However, based on the limited number of studies available, there seems to be more African Blacks with such characteristics than there are in other populations.

My opinion is that other energy losses and keeping heat were not as important in Subsaharan Negrid Africans than in other groups.

http://run-down.com/guests/je_black_athletes_p2.php

Of course extreme leptomorphy is one sided overspecialisation, and being good at long distance runnings is not enough for being versatile. So like almost always, too extreme is not that desirable, even if advantageous in special circumstances.

Another link:
http://www.jonentine.com/reviews/chi_trib.htm

Horagalles
Thursday, October 13th, 2005, 09:15 PM
Why Negroids are the better runners

But it should be added that West African sprinters are not the best (genetically) for the long range, nor are East Africans the best for sprints. The versatile field is dominated by Europids and Mongolids and extremely long range (Marathon) is rather balanced, if the run goes through hilly areas, Eurasians do better again me thinks.... For One thing Negrids do have relatively longer limbs. That's why I can spot them at night. Interestingly the best performing sportsmen in SA are Whites and not Negrids. The Rugby team consisted always of Whites only and this was also the case without legislation restricting that.

http://www.rugbyheaven.smh.com.au/ffxImage/urlpicture_id_1062050612405_2003/08/28/geocronje2.jpghttp://www.rfu.com/images/ZurichPremiership/P_Geo_Cronje_super12s.jpghttp://images.supersport.co.za/CronjeGeo030307LineoutGbg.jpg
Maybe we should racially classify of the Rugby team!

Glenlivet
Thursday, October 13th, 2005, 09:21 PM
They are invisible at night. :D

That's why I can spot them at night.

Nordraserei
Thursday, October 13th, 2005, 09:32 PM
Unless they open their eyes or smile. :D
They are invisible at night. :D

Horagalles
Thursday, October 13th, 2005, 09:34 PM
They are invisible at night. :DMoon light still leaves the silhouette visible, but it maybe impossible to see faces or complexion. The silhouette still allows to see the length of limbs and the pattern of movements. Enough to identify the race in most cases.

Cnooc
Thursday, October 13th, 2005, 09:41 PM
This may be true, but in the Olympics, and later in the Shanghai Grand Prix this year, this asian was running ahead of a pack of leptosome africans.

http://image.pathfinder.com/time/asia/2004/heroes/images/388_xiang.jpg
http://www.trackandfieldnews.com/gallery/albums/DayEight/Liu_Xiang_FH3_Athen04.jpg
http://www.usatf.org/events/2004/OlympicGames/photos/2004-08-27/Liu_Xiang-FH2-Athen04.JPG
http://trantor.bioc.columbia.edu/~jiang/Liu_xiang6.jpg
http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/2005/SPORT/09/17/athletics.china/story.xiang.ap.jpg
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2005-09/17/xin_210902172318456216334.jpg

Agrippa
Thursday, October 13th, 2005, 09:51 PM
Its funny you post that, but I began that topic on Dodona originally a posted some minutes before you this there:

Concerning athletic competition:
Generally Negrid (Sudanid), Nordid and Nordsinid females do good, but obviously the hierachy is present in the order I mentioned them concerning most sports.
If you read what I have written, you should always distinguish core Negrid type (Sudanid) from East Africans with various other admixture and partly different specialisation. Nordsinids should do better in Marathon than Sudanids, or at least as good. Chinese individuals in sport doesnt prove too much since its such a huge population that you can find almost everything, but the racial average matters if talking the way we do. (Compare with relative leg lengths/sitting height - average vs. exceptional individuals)

Hurdles are different too by the way, because you have to jump (for example high jump is not as dominated by Negrids either, Europids can compete), tactic and timing are important and, not too forget, simple advantage of height.
But its not by chance that the Chinese winner is Nordsinid in racial type, because of the Mongolid types, the Nordsinids are physically closest to the leptomorphic physical peak types of Europids and Negrids for certain sports.

@Horagalles:
Longer limbs alone dont explain it, pure Nordid types can be as long, even longer limbed than the best Negrid runners. In my area I saw pure Nordid types with very long legs and short sitting height, its even rather typical for them.

But concerning athletic competition, it really depends what sport, what exact way of competing you are comparing. F.e. if its about weight lifter, short limbed, brachymorphic (f.e. Alpinoid, Tungid) types have advantages. In versatile sports leptomorphic Europids (Nordid, Irano-Afghan etc.) are best ans so on. Like I said, in a colder climate and under different conditions, this one sided physical adaptation would have been most likely not as advantageous or even disadvantageous.

Cnooc
Thursday, October 13th, 2005, 10:04 PM
yeah Agrippa, i have a question about Dodona. i registered at that board, but for some reason i cannot post (i can't find the post button). i think it has to do with account activation, but i followed the link that was emailed to me when i registered for the account.


i have many more racial examples but i don't think it's appropriate to post them here, on a white nationalist discussion forum.

Agrippa
Thursday, October 13th, 2005, 10:26 PM
Many here are interested in Mongolid anthropology I'd say, and as long as someone doesnt oppose the aims of Germanic preservation and European nationalism (White Nationalism, well, dont discuss that in this thread), I dont think someone should have a problem - even open discussions are possible and I'm generally friendly towards East Asians, I just dont want mass immigration or economic decline in Europe, so its about European interests, not antipathy in general.

However, I'd suggest that you post racial examples in the Mongolid section of physical anthropology, not in the general one, nor in threads like this if there is no connection (what is there in this case, or at least arguable).

Mongolid section:
http://forum.forums.skadi.netdisplay.php?f=111