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Furius
Sunday, December 12th, 2004, 02:22 PM
The plain fact of the matter is that Multiculturalism and Christmas are just not compatible.

If we live in a truly Multicultural society, then either
1) every religious festival, of every religion, will be a public holiday (a situation that would wreck the economy, and be quite unworkable; apart from being culturally ridiculous and divisive)
or
2) Christmas and Easter will eventually be banned, as their existence as public holidays is religious and cultural discrimination against non-White religions and cultures.

Technically, it would be said that it is discrimination against non-Christian cultures, but we all know that Multiculturalists are targeting the White majority culture when they ban various celebrations of Christmas.

Multiculturalism is anti-White racism!

Furius
Sunday, December 12th, 2004, 02:26 PM
Nativity Banned But Muslim, Jewish Symbols Allowed


WorldNetDaily, Dec. 10

Two prominent legal cases battling policies that outlaw public display of the Christian Nativity while allowing symbols of other religions have reached a critical stage.

In New York City, arguments will be presented Monday in a federal lawsuit challenging the city’s display of the Jewish Menorah during Hanukkah and the Islamic star and crescent during Ramadan in more than 1,200 public schools while barring Nativity scenes during Christmas.

In Florida, U.S. District Court Judge Cecilia Altonaga is expected to rule early next week on a request for a temporary restraining order that would require the town of Bay Harbor Islands to allow a Christian resident to the display the Nativity alongside existing Jewish Menorahs.

Both cases are being argued by attorneys with the Michigan-based Thomas More Law Center.

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Read the original article at:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41855
or
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41855

From:
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2004/12/nativity_banned.php

Furius
Monday, December 13th, 2004, 05:55 PM
Politically correct and legally correct greetings


Dear Friends,

Please accept with no obligation, implied or implicit my best wishes for an environmentally conscious, socially responsible, low stress, non-addictive, gender neutral, celebration of the summer solstice holiday, practised within the most enjoyable traditions of the religious persuasion of your choice, or secular practices of your choice, with respect for the religious/secular persuasions and/or traditions of others, or their choice not to practice religious or secular traditions, to all.

And I wish you a fiscally successful, personally fulfilling, and medically uncomplicated recognition of the onset of the generally accepted calendar year 2005, but not without due respect for the calendars of choice of other cultures whose contributions to society have helped make Australia great, (not to imply that Australia is necessarily greater than any other country) and without regard to the race, creed, colour, age, physical ability, religious faith,or sexual preference of the wishee.

By accepting this greeting, you are accepting these terms. This greeting is subject to clarification or withdrawal. It is freely transferable with no alteration to the original greeting. It implies no promise by the wisher to actually implement any of the wishes for himself/herself or others, and is void where prohibited by law, and is revocable at the sole discretion of the wisher.

This wish is warranted to perform as expected within the usual application
of good tidings for a period of one year, or until the issuance of a
subsequent holiday greeting, whichever comes first, and warranty is limited to replacement of this wish or issuance of a new wish at the sole discretion of the wisher.

Merry Christmas
Happy Holidays
Whatever!

Taras Bulba
Monday, December 13th, 2004, 06:06 PM
Nativity Banned But Muslim, Jewish Symbols Allowed


WorldNetDaily, Dec. 10

Two prominent legal cases battling policies that outlaw public display of the Christian Nativity while allowing symbols of other religions have reached a critical stage.

In New York City, arguments will be presented Monday in a federal lawsuit challenging the city’s display of the Jewish Menorah during Hanukkah and the Islamic star and crescent during Ramadan in more than 1,200 public schools while barring Nativity scenes during Christmas.

In Florida, U.S. District Court Judge Cecilia Altonaga is expected to rule early next week on a request for a temporary restraining order that would require the town of Bay Harbor Islands to allow a Christian resident to the display the Nativity alongside existing Jewish Menorahs.

Both cases are being argued by attorneys with the Michigan-based Thomas More Law Center.

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Read the original article at:
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41855
or
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/printer-friendly.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41855

From:
http://www.amren.com/mtnews/archives/2004/12/nativity_banned.php

And yet some continually claim that Christianity is Jewish and that Christianity is an agent of multi-culturalism; yet as we clearly see its one of its biggest targets.

http://www.theamericancause.org/pattheabolition.htm

The Abolition of Christmas

Patrick J. Buchanan

12/21/01

When I was a boy, Kensington was a village half an hour north of Chevy Chase Circle where, inside an ice-cold armory, Catholic kids practiced basketball. Montgomery County was a bedroom suburb of D.C. Nothing beyond existed, except for the Rockville drive-in.

This fall, both precincts became world-famous as citadels of wacko liberalism. The Montgomery County Council voted to fine homeowners $500 who let cigarette smoke escape into neighbors' houses. And the Kensington council voted to purge Santa from its 30-year-old tradition of lighting a pine tree in front of town hall.

Why did the Kensington Taliban expel St. Nick? Says the mayor: "Because two families felt that they would be uncomfortable with Santa Claus being a part of the event." Ebeneezer Scrooge felt the same way.

Now this may not be in the Christmas spirit, but it needs to be said – as writer Tom Piatak says it so well in Chronicles. The spirit that seeks to purge Santa, and has already purged Christ from Christmas, is not a spirit of tolerance, but a spirit of "hatred, resentment and envy."

And why should a tiny few who resent Christmas prevail in America over the great joyous majority who love it?

Multiculturalists say Christmas celebrations cause "non-Christians to feel 'left out.' I am skeptical, but even if the multiculturalists are right," says Piatak, "how much should we worry about those who feel left out. ... We cannot forever shield non-Christians from the reality that they are a minority in America, and suppressing the observances of the majority seems a high price to pay to allow overly sensitive souls to live in comfortable delusion."

Moreover, he adds, "Christmas in America was never marked by pogroms or expressions of hatred, but by countless acts of charity and kindness. ... The public celebration of Christmas was capable of being enjoyed by non-Christians as well as Christians, and almost everyone did enjoy at least some of it. I know of non-Christians who enjoy Christmas specials, Christmas movies, Christmas music."

Under true tolerance, schoolchildren whose parents do not wish for them to take part in Christmas carols, pageants or plays would be exempt, but all non-Christians would be invited to join in.

But, as multiculturalists know, the result of free choice would be the almost-universal celebration of Christmas in public. And this they cannot abide, for their agenda is to purge from public life the Christian faith that gave birth to Western civilization. For they believe Western civilization was a blight upon mankind. As that great multiculturalist Jesse Jackson put it, "Hey, hey, ho, ho, Western Civ has got to go!"

"Europe is the faith, the faith is Europe," asserted the Catholic writer Hillaire Belloc. Piatak echoes Belloc. Christmas "has been the principal holiday of the world's most creative civilization for over a millennium. It has inspired a profusion of art, architecture, literature and music; a love of Christmas can lead to a deeper love of our whole civilization. Giotto never painted a Kwanzaa scene, Bach did not write a Hannukah oratorio, and Dickens did not pen 'A Ramadan Carol.' And no one comparable to them did, either."

Indeed, the birth of Christ has inspired more great paintings, music and sculpture than any event in history. "Ultimately," writes Piatak, "we should be free to celebrate Christmas publicly and joyously, because it is a great holiday, and because it is our holiday and one of the crowning glories of Western culture that gave birth to America and sustains us still."

But why, then, are we not free to do so? Why may we not celebrate, as we did for 200 years, the birth of our Savior, the day God became man to open up for us the gates of heaven and bring mankind the hope of eternal salvation?

Answer: Because our Constitution has been hijacked by bigots in black robes, who perverted it to de-Christianize America. And we let them get away with it. Second, because Christians have become an intimidated lot, who will permit themselves to be pushed around and even permit their Savior to go uncelebrated for fear of being called insensitive. But if we do not proclaim the Son of God, will He proclaim us before the Father in heaven?

If Jesus was truly God, and the first Christmas was the day he was born of the Virgin Mary, and He came into the world for our salvation, what does it say about us that we would permit a handful of unhappy people to deny us the right to celebrate His birth in our public squares?

But, nevertheless, "God rest ye merry gentlemen, let nothing ye dismay" – not even the ACLU on this coming Christmas Day.

Taras Bulba
Monday, December 13th, 2004, 06:26 PM
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=41900

Christianophobia
By Patrick J. Buchanan

© 2004 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

"'Tis the season to be jolly." But, as usual, not for all of us.

It is the Christmas season, that time in December when all good Christians celebrate the birth of the Savior of mankind, born in a stable in Bethlehem, 2,000 years ago.

It is a time of family gatherings and gift-giving, of joyous music and fond memories. For some, it is one of the few days of the year, Easter being the other, when they return to the old church for the feast day that yet retains its hold upon them from childhood.

Even many non-believers celebrate, for Christmas joy is contagious.

But not for all. For some, it is not too much to say that they hate the idea of Christmas with a deep abiding hate, not just the "Bah, humbug!" dismissal of old Scrooge. They want Christmas dead.

As usual, they are busy at work, going to court to get Nativity scenes expunged from public squares, demanding that statues of Mary, Joseph and the infant Jesus be removed from department stores and parades, checking vigilantly to see that any and all caroling at public schools is free of such outrages as "Silent Night." For people such as these, even Santa has become an intolerably divisive figure who must be purged from public life.

And this year, again, they are meeting with some success, especially with a business community for whom Christmas has always been about sales volume, not salvation.

Target stores have told the Salvation Army it may no longer station volunteers at store entrances, with their red kettles, and solicit charitable contributions for the poor. The 30-year tradition that reaped the Army $9 million a year has been terminated

The reason? Says Target, unconvincingly, it is so the company can have a consistent policy of no solicitations outside its stores. But in recent years, the gay lobby has pressured Target to ban the Army because it is Christian and rejects homosexuality as sinful.

Now Macy's has stopped using the phrase "Merry Christmas" in all store advertising, replacing it with what Macy's calls the more inclusive "Season's Greetings" and "Happy Holidays."

But how is it "inclusive" to exclude the Christians' greeting? Is that not anti-Christian? Why would the Macy's of the "Miracle on 34th Street" do such a thing? Why would Federated Department Stores, Macy's parent company, impose such a policy?

By Newton's laws of motion, an object moving in a given direction will continue to do so unless an outside force intervenes. What hidden force intervened to cause Macy's to reverse course and suddenly sever its ties to Christmas? Who insisted that Macy's cease to mention Christmas, the holiday around which its selling season is built?

It is hard to believe some Macy's executive took it upon himself to make so offensive a decision as to expunge "Merry Christmas" from the store, when so many of Macy's most loyal shoppers were certain to be disheartened and hurt. Who is trying to kill Christmas?

It needs to be said. What we are witnessing here are hate crimes against Christianity – the manifestations, the symptoms of a sickness of the soul, a disease a Vatican diplomat correctly calls "Christianophobia," the fear and loathing of all things Christian, coupled with a fanatic will to expunge from the public life of the West all reminders that ours was once a Christian civilization and America once a Christian country.

Americans are among the most tolerant of peoples. No one demands that any dissenting adult or child be made to say the Pledge of Allegiance to the flag, or join in Christmas caroling, or be forced to say a prayer before class, or go to church at Christmas. The Christian majority only asks that they be free to be themselves, to exercise their freedom to express their love of their Savior as the First Amendment has always guaranteed.

But what are we to make of Maplewood, N.J., where the Columbus High School brass ensemble was ordered not to play a single Christmas carol at their holiday concert, not even an instrumental version. Parents and students were outraged. "This is censorship at its most basic level," said student Ryan Dahn. Correct, Ryan.

In Denver, officials of the annual Parade of Lights refused to permit in the parade a float carrying the banner "Merry Christmas" with members of the Faith Bible Chapel congregation, who were to sing Christmas carols. Approved was a float sponsored by Two Souls, an American Indian group that considers homosexuality holy.

While Christmas often brings forth the best in some of us, because of who and what is being celebrated, that is not true for all of us. For some, it brings forth the purest malevolence. Why? Sadly, because they do not know Him. Nevertheless, Merry Christmas – to all.

Oskorei
Monday, December 13th, 2004, 07:37 PM
I am waiting with some excitement for the day that anti-racists start to attack Santa Clauses and carol singers physically. In an insane society, anything can happen.

Master-of-Swords
Monday, December 13th, 2004, 08:07 PM
The plain fact of the matter is that Multiculturalism and Christmas are just not compatible.

If we live in a truly Multicultural society, then either
1) every religious festival, of every religion, will be a public holiday (a situation that would wreck the economy, and be quite unworkable; apart from being culturally ridiculous and divisive)
or
2) Christmas and Easter will eventually be banned, as their existence as public holidays is religious and cultural discrimination against non-White religions and cultures.

Technically, it would be said that it is discrimination against non-Christian cultures, but we all know that Multiculturalists are targeting the White majority culture when they ban various celebrations of Christmas.

Multiculturalism is anti-White racism!

Who cares-if you want to celebrate Yule then do so but xmas is a commerical/xtian festival in the way it is generaly recognised and should be left to die.
If you want to revive it look to the pre xtian traditions.

Taras Bulba
Tuesday, December 14th, 2004, 08:33 PM
Who cares-if you want to celebrate Yule then do so but xmas is a commerical/xtian festival in the way it is generaly recognised and should be left to die.

I think you're in the wrong place mister, for this forum is intended for "cultural, racial, and spiritual preservation, and right here you're advocating the destruction of one of our most cherished traditions.



If you want to revive it look to the pre xtian traditions.

Yeah except we dont know much about them really.......and thats the only beginning of what I have to say about that!

Oskorei
Tuesday, December 14th, 2004, 08:49 PM
I think you're in the wrong place mister, for this forum is intended for "cultural, racial, and spiritual preservation, and right here you're advocating the destruction of one of our most cherished traditions.

"I'm sorry, misturr, but this is how we deal with carpet-baggers and anti-preservationists in these here parts" ;)

Oskorei
Tuesday, December 14th, 2004, 08:56 PM
Anyway, at the moment we should not be too anti-christian. Much of the animosity towards foreigners in Europe is connected to a perception of Islam as a threat towards the "European way of life", and that way of life includes Christianity and secularism in the eyes of most people. No need to alienate these people by being too hostile towards their religion. If we can show them that immigration threatens Christianity, why not?

Furius
Friday, December 17th, 2004, 06:38 PM
Oskorei is quite right.
"If we can show them that immigration threatens Christianity, why not?"

Absolutely. This is a great issue for us. Let's show your average Joe what the reality of Multiculturalism is really like. Get thousands on side with this issue, and we can start widening their awareness and political eduaction into other issues.

It's not about Christmas per se, it's about the Multiculturalists attacking White Western culture. Whether you're into Christianity, Wicca, Odinism, or tree-worshiping :) , it doesn't really matter.

We should be out there, publicizing issues like this, in order to win people to our side.

Your average people don't give a damn about whether a Black's brain is smaller than a White's brain, whether 6 million died or not, who killed who in the Katyn forest, or whether 9/11 was a CIA/Mossad conspiracy. Yep, either they don't care, or they'll think you're "some kinda weirdo" for even bringing it up.

Forget those issues, which are distractions to the reality of recruiting, get into issues that Mr & Mrs Suburbia actually care about, join them up, slowly educate them, give them a wider awareness, and then we'll be getting somewhere.

Furius
Saturday, December 18th, 2004, 01:47 PM
More Multiculturalist moves against Christmas:

An Oregon kindergarten child was barred from giving his Christmas card to fellow students last Christmas merely because it mentioned Jesus Christ. (Christmas Card with 'Jesus' Banned, WorldNet Daily, 2/10/04.)

In Seattle just recently, a King County administrative directive instructed county employees not to say "Merry Christmas." (Santa is Appalled, Bill O'Reilly, 12/22/04)

A New Jersey high school band was precluded from playing Christmas carols, even instrumentals, at its annual concert this year.

In Chicago recently, one school substituted "swinging holiday" for "Merry Christmas" in its annual rendition of "We Wish You a Merry Christmas."

School districts in Florida and New Jersey have banned Christmas carols altogether. However, in both Florida and Chicago, Hanukkah and Kwanzaa songs are included in the approved concert programs.

A Maine school district has banned Christmas trees, following in the steps of many others throughout the country, including the Indiana University School of Law, which clearly knows better.

In Denver, a church float was excluded from this year's "Parade of Lights" parade because it carried carolers and was emblazoned with a "Merry Christmas" banner. Approved, however, was a float from a Native American homosexual group.

In Washington, a school principal banned Dickens' "A Christmas Carol" because of Tiny Tim's prayer: "God bless us all, every one."

And, it's not just public venues. Private organizations and corporations are every bit as politically correct. Target Stores has told Salvation Army to take a hike and clutter the sidewalks in front of its stores no more. Macy's has outlawed the use of "Merry Christmas" by employees, mandating the saccharin "Happy Holidays," instead.

Nor is the madness confined to America.

In Milan, Italy, a school substituted "virtue" for "Jesus" in a Christmas hymn. In northern Italy, the Treviso public elementary school substituted Little Red Riding Hood for its formerly-traditional Nativity play.

In France, chocolates were recalled from school distribution simply because they bore the imprint of crosses.

In Scotland last year, Edinburgh's Royal Hospital for Sick Children banned distribution of a free charity Christmas CD because it mentioned "the baby Jesus." At the same time, Scotland's Parliament banned "Merry Christmas" from greeting cards sent by MSPs or their staff.

From: "Weapons of Christmas Destruction"
http://www.conspiracypenpal.com/columns/xmas.htm

Master-of-Swords
Monday, December 20th, 2004, 08:27 PM
Christmas is already multiculturalism. I don't celebrate the birthday of a Jew.
Nice quote:neither do I.:D

LupaFreo
Monday, December 20th, 2004, 08:35 PM
WTF, the Christians stole the pagan Yule tradition of the winter solstice, I only celebrate Yule.

Racial Philosopher
Tuesday, December 21st, 2004, 03:29 AM
Multiculturalism and diversity is only being promoted in the "White World" and the main reason for this is that the philosophical aspect of Christianity with its "turn the other cheek" makes it possible . In the Third and Second World countries it is not possible to even start a dialog or forum for debate to promote anti majority influences and policies.

This should be viewed as Jews being bothered living amoung people that "love their enemies as themselves". It is like an ape that sits on the branch whitch it is sowing off. If they succeed in removing this religion they will also remove the primary psychological block that makes the majority of Whites in America tolerant towards them.

The overthrown Christian cross may in the end be replaced by hooked one.

Allenson
Tuesday, December 21st, 2004, 02:28 PM
I think you're in the wrong place mister, for this forum is intended for "cultural, racial, and spiritual preservation, and right here you're advocating the destruction of one of our most cherished traditions.

Hey, we agree! Yipee! ;)

Though I am not a Christian, I do very much enjoy the Christmas season (for other reasons than the birthday of JC) and I would loath to see it abolished or multi-culturalized. Indeed, it is an integral cultural and spiritual trait of our folk and I firmly believe that it should remain intact.


Yeah except we dont know much about them really.......and thats the only beginning of what I have to say about that!

OK, so here I have issue again. ;)

You say we know little about pre-Christian religion. I'll play along and say "so-what". Does this fact make irrelevent or in any take away from the fact that our ancestors, at one time, had a different spiritual outlook than we do today? Does it make a reemergence of old faiths not worthwhile? Does it make reconstruction useless or silly? Personally, I think not. Obviously, eh?

The same logic can be applied to reconstructing the genetic and physical legacy of the human species....we don't know much about it but this fact should in no way deter those who wish to piece the evidence together and put together as complete and comprehensive picture as possible.

Have fun decorating your Yule tree. :P

Taras Bulba
Tuesday, December 21st, 2004, 04:35 PM
WTF, the Christians stole the pagan Yule tradition of the winter solstice, I only celebrate Yule.

ahhhh......no

Taras Bulba
Tuesday, December 21st, 2004, 04:36 PM
Multiculturalism and diversity is only being promoted in the "White World" and the main reason for this is that the philosophical aspect of Christianity with its "turn the other cheek" makes it possible .

No, the rejection of Christianity is whats promoting multi-culturalism.

Oskorei
Sunday, December 18th, 2005, 09:35 AM
And it goes on, in Finland as well as the US:

http://www.helsinginsanomat.fi/english/article/Christmas%20is%20racism/1101981943755

http://www.weirdrepublic.com/episode61.htm

In Sweden I have no real view of the situation, some schools have abandoned Christmas in church this year after the priests signed a list against homosexual partnerships being "blessed" in church.

Jack
Sunday, December 18th, 2005, 01:57 PM
I am waiting with some excitement for the day that anti-racists start to attack Santa Clauses and carol singers physically. In an insane society, anything can happen.

This happened in Melbourne yesterday. I'll type up the article from the newspaper tomorrow, but right now it's quite late here.

Frid
Sunday, December 18th, 2005, 02:38 PM
Oskorei, have you already forgotten the article you posted where a person claimed that Santa Claus was patriarchally? ;)

Oskorei
Sunday, December 18th, 2005, 03:57 PM
Oskorei, have you already forgotten the article you posted where a person claimed that Santa Claus was patriarchally? ;)

Hehe, thanks for reminding me. :D

A brief English summary: A cultural journalist in Sweden has discovered that Santa is both a symbol of patriarchy and a symbol of discipline.

"There is something truly evil in the figure of Santa Claus" the Leftist journalist stated.

One doesn't know if one should weep or laugh at such people. :D

Oskorei
Sunday, December 18th, 2005, 03:59 PM
This happened in Melbourne yesterday. I'll type up the article from the newspaper tomorrow, but right now it's quite late here.

Surreal. Looking forward to the article though, to spread the word in Sweden about this latest act of antiracism.

Frid
Sunday, December 18th, 2005, 09:16 PM
You are welcome Oskorei. ;)

In my opinion Jesus has very little to do with Christmas. Christmas is more or less a pagan holiday that the Church didn't manage to destroy and thus christianized.

Vestmannr
Sunday, December 18th, 2005, 09:58 PM
"Calculating Christmas" by William J. Tighe (http://www.touchstonemag.com/archives/article.php?id=16-10-012-v)

Excerpt: "Many Christians think that Christians celebrate Christ’s birth on December 25th because the church fathers appropriated the date of a pagan festival. Almost no one minds, except for a few groups on the fringes of American Evangelicalism, who seem to think that this makes Christmas itself a pagan festival. But it is perhaps interesting to know that the choice of December 25th is the result of attempts among the earliest Christians to figure out the date of Jesus’ birth based on calendrical calculations that had nothing to do with pagan festivals.

Rather, the pagan festival of the “Birth of the Unconquered Son” instituted by the Roman Emperor Aurelian on 25 December 274, was almost certainly an attempt to create a pagan alternative to a date that was already of some significance to Roman Christians. Thus the “pagan origins of Christmas” is a myth without historical substance."

What the uninformed miss, is that the first celebration of the Christmas feast is directly related to a calendrical/liturgical count of a 9 month perfect term of pregnancy forward from the feast of the Conception on March 25th - in other words, symbolism of 'perfect man'. (Compare the similar claims for 'Halloween' being Samhain, when in fact Halloween was first celebrated due to the date of the dedication of the Church of All Saints in Rome - and in no way connected to pagan or Jewish concerns.)

St. Nicholas of Myra (Santa Claus) is an integral part of European culture (especially Germanic) - and a patron of those who go down to the sea.

CountBloodSpawn
Monday, December 19th, 2005, 12:49 AM
You are welcome Oskorei. ;)

In my opinion Jesus has very little to do with Christmas. Christmas is more or less a pagan holiday that the Church didn't manage to destroy and thus christianized.

thats a good point bud, personally I think there is way too much bitching going on from both sides, all these stories of people getting mad at their shopping bags and shopping malls for saying "merry christmas" on their shopping bags or "happy holidays" or even "yuletide on them" because it makes them feel "alienated" and its "offense", not to mention all kinds of other ridiculous shtuff like this, is americana really becoming this extremely soft, fuzzy and faggish that we have to worry about whether exactly what we call our holidays offends people or not, you should be able to call your holiday whatever the Hollenreich you want and not have get into a big arguement or a lawsuit over it, all the liberals and neo-conservatives are using free market capitalism to start a "war on christmas" to further their own agendas against each other and to start fighting between each other, and everyone wonders why I went Fascist

Jack
Monday, December 19th, 2005, 03:06 AM
It was one of those tiny articles that appears in a column along the side. Nevertheless, Osokrei, here it is.

Santa outing turns violent
p.9, Sunday Herald Sun, December 18, 2005

Christm,as revellers dressed in Santa outfits were attacked in an ugly incident in Melbourne early yesterday.
The violence erupted after a group of about 20 men taunted the Santa characters in Lygon street about 3.15am.
Several shop windows were smashed by chairs thrown during the fracas, but the gang fled before police arrived.
The Little Italy Pasta House had two windows broken and a nearby barber's shop was also damaged.
Little Italy owner Eugenio Gentile said police did not know what sparked the brawl.
"There was an argument - it went from there", he said.
"They threw chairs and kicked (windows)."
Police spokeswoman Sgt Creina O'Grady fled said the attackers fled through a park and the victims also left before the police arrived.
An ambulance was called, but was not required.

Jack
Monday, December 19th, 2005, 06:44 AM
Speaking of Christmas, our Prime Minister said a few interesting things yesterday...


PM's call to save Christmas
TONY VERMEER and DARYL PASSMORE
18dec05
http://www.thesundaymail.news.com.au/common/story_page/0,5936,17599661^902,00.html

PRIME Minister John Howard has called for religion to be put back into Christmas.
In an impassioned plea to the nation, Mr Howard said Australians should stop downplaying the importance of Christianity at Christmas time for fear of offending other faiths or non-religious people.
"You don't demonstrate tolerance towards minorities by apologising for your own heritage," the Prime Minister told The Sunday Mail last weekend, speaking before the Sydney race riots.
Mr Howard said he had "contempt" for arguments that the religious aspect of the festive season should be toned down through the removal or banning of Christmas trees and symbols, nativity scenes and concerts.
It was not a sign of tolerance to "bland out" such things, he said.
Mr Howard won backing from Queensland Islamic leaders, who said there were more constructive things to do than "pick on someone else's religion".
The Prime Minister's support for a return to the traditional Christmas comes amid wide debate over the festive season.
Last week, The Sunday Mail revealed a Queensland school principal had apologised to parents for using the word "Christmas" too many times in school newsletters, in a case described as political correctness gone mad.
The parents, who do not celebrate Christmas, complained they were discriminated against by frequent references to it.
Mr Howard said he had been particularly saddened by the removal of Christmas trees and nativity scenes from public places.
"I hope some department stores would have the courage to bring back nativity scenes," he said.
"When I was a kid, you'd go in and see the Christmas tree and Santa Claus, but there'd also be some nativity scenes in department stores.
"They seem to have disappeared in recent years and you have this sort of 'oh, we don't want to offend anybody'.
"Actually, you're offending a lot of people who think it's a great pity they've disappeared."
Mr Howard said he did not believe the majority of the Muslim and Jewish community resented the emphasis on Christmas.
"They respect the fact that it's a Christian day," he said.
"You don't win tolerant brownie points by pretending to be something that you're not.
"I just think it's silly and it's patronising towards minorities and it's offensive to our cultural history."
Islamic Council of Queensland president Abdul Jabal said: "We don't celebrate Christmas but we support others doing so. It's a time of peace and sharing."
He agreed it was not necessary to downplay religious occasions to promote tolerance.
Catholic Archbishop of Brisbane John Bathersby backed the PM's call.
"We are a Christian country," he said. "If minorities are to integrate, they need something to integrate into. I don't think there is any intolerance in saying, 'This is who we are'."
He said the significance of religion had been suppressed.
"In part because of multiculturalism, we have drawn back too far and thought we cannot mention the fact that we are a Christian country. It's influenced our whole sense of freedom."
A spokesman for Anglican Archbishop of Brisbane Philip Aspinall, said:
"Dr Aspinall believes tolerance and acknowledgement of cultures is important but that ought not to detract from the celebration of Christmas."
Brisbane Assemblies of God Northside Christian Church senior pastor John Lewis, who ran as a Family First Senate candidate at the last election, backed the PM "100 per cent".
He said his main concern was commercialisation.
"It's not just about parties and holidays and giving gifts. We don't want to lose those things but we do want to see more emphasis on the true meaning."

Frid
Monday, December 19th, 2005, 07:41 PM
Bran Fendigaid, I'm sorry but I will stand by my statement. I'd be happy to debate that article as well as if Christmas is Christian or not but at this moment as I am quite busy. Perhaps we can discuss it in the future sometime, in a seperate thread of course. It's an interesting topic, at least to me. :)

anti-climacus
Monday, December 19th, 2005, 08:35 PM
Christmas is already multiculturalism. I don't celebrate the birthday of a Jew.

Then I assume you discredit Western Civilization post Constantine? Western Civilization has been synonymous with "that Jew" for over a millenium.

Vestmannr
Saturday, December 24th, 2005, 01:32 AM
Its okay, and we can discuss it later - but, the actual facts of Christian feasts are there in the oldest liturgical texts and canons of the Councils - all far from being 'reactionary' against paganism. In fact, modern theories about Christian origins in 'paganism' all have root in 19th c. Jewish anti-Christian polemicists who were seeking to deny Christianity status with the other monotheist religions (which means, Christians could then be considered fair prey).

However, if one wants to discuss the impact of Aryan Zoroastrianism on Christianity - that one is a given (it was the Magi of Susa who came to worship the Christ Child, after all.)