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Scoob
Thursday, July 15th, 2004, 08:18 PM
What we need in the West (US and EU) is a good quid pro quo incentive for these corporations to stop looking to the Third World for labor and production, and instead invest in developing industrial infrastructure in the West.

We need our corporations to be responsible for the consequences of their actitivies abroad. And along with that, we need an agreement on what our national goals are regarding industry, instead of disorganized, corrupt micromanagement of their activities. We need our corporations (like our citizens) to work together with us as a nation to pursue common goals. The market is a powerful tool, but it must be harnessed and guided intelligently.

We in the West need to stop sharing our technology with the Third World. We should share only amongst ourselves, and with probably some key tactical allies abroad - maybe some more European South American countries, Australia.

We need to stop allowing Third World people use the West to make money and get an education. They should be locked out. The ones here need to make a decision: commit to a Western lifestyle for themselves and their descendents, or leave.

Racist political doctrines have been discredited by the 20th century. What we need to use instead is a strict Western standard of thinking and conduct for all citizens.

People feel hopeless, that the actions of their lives (economic, sexual, cultural) lack long-term worth - and so they live according to a selfish hedonism, because they are given no better choice by society. We need a common sense of direction, instead of the moral chaos we have now.

Moody
Friday, July 16th, 2004, 04:19 PM
As regards those non-Us/non-Euro investors in the USA/Euro; do you advocate buying them out, or giving them notice to get out before we nationalise those concerns?

Would this also apply the other way, to Western foreign investment into China, Middle east, Japan, South Africa etc., etc.,?

What model would you use to derive 'strict Western standards' from [seeing as you say that 'racist political doctrines are discredited']?

Telperion
Friday, July 16th, 2004, 04:41 PM
What model would you use to derive 'strict Western standards' from [seeing as you say that 'racist political doctrines are discredited']?
That would be a difficult question to answer, because it is difficult to say what attitudes or values would define the modern 'West' if it were purged of its liberal, multicultural, commercialistic elements...

Moody
Friday, July 16th, 2004, 04:51 PM
That would be a difficult question to answer, because it is difficult to say what attitudes or values would define the modern 'West' if it were purged of its liberal, multicultural, commercialistic elements...

Therefore I don't think we can come at the question from the negative point of believing that 'racist doctrines are discredited'.

That is playing the game completely by the enemy's rules - are sure-fire recipe for defeat.

Scoob
Friday, July 16th, 2004, 04:51 PM
As regards those non-Us/non-Euro investors in the USA/Euro; do you advocate buying them out, or giving them notice to get out before we nationalise those concerns? I don't know enough details about which nations are doing it. If it's someone like Japan or Singapore, perhaps their investments could be OK - since it's important to have select strong allies (First World ones) in Asia. My idea at this point is to create very strong alliances with a select few nations with common goals.

I am not quite sure what long term geopolitical strategy would be regarding other nations such as China. If we organize ourselves well enough and isolate the Third World well enough, we should be able to technologically advance fairly quickly, while leaving nations like China in the dust.

Would this also apply the other way, to Western foreign investment into China, Middle east, Japan, South Africa etc., etc.,? All activity e.g. in Chinese Capitalist development zones would be terminated, all infrastructure dismantled and all Western experts brought back home. The idea is halt development of the Third World.

I am not sure about the Middle East, since they have nukes. Perhaps we should simply move out, with all of our money. This would have to be carefully orchestrated so that people in the Middle East feel liberated and not abandoned.

What model would you use to derive 'strict Western standards' from [seeing as you say that 'racist political doctrines are discredited']? What I mean is that a David Duke politician has little chance of being elected in the USA, so long as he uses racist rhetoric.

However, I think strong policies such as these could achieve worthy goals:
1. Halt all immigration, strengthen US and EU borders with armed guards. Discontinue Western investments in places like Mexico, which encourages the locals to come here.
2. Deportation of all illegal aliens with criminal records. Include extensive IRS investigation of all illegal aliens - and consider tax avoision as a crime worthy of deportation.
3. Make it much easier for highly educated EU citizens to come and go from the United States - and EU must do the same for highly educated US citizens.
4. Give incentives for highly educated people to have children (strong tax breaks), discourage poor people from having children (strict penalties including sterilization for welfare mother who continue to have children).
5. Mandatory sterilization for all sex offenders and violent criminals.
6. English as national language for all public discourse.
7. Strongly restrict all flow of cash and capital outside primary First World Alliance nations. Discontinue programs whereby e.g. Pakistanis get US govt money to open businesses back home.

Also:
* Urban revitalization: Give stipends or tax breaks or other incentives for your professionals to move to inner cities. Perhaps encourage some more immigration from Russia to American inner cities.
* Strict standards in education. Mandatory learning of a European language (French, German, Italian) for all primary school students. More government grants and scholarships for highly qualified students. Remove all affirmative action based on race, but encourage it based on economic status.

There are more important details that need to be worked out.

Moody
Friday, July 16th, 2004, 04:59 PM
I don't know enough details about which nations are doing it. If it's someone like Japan or Singapore, perhaps their investments could be OK - since it's important to have select strong allies (First World ones) in Asia. My idea at this point is to create very strong alliances with a select few nations with common goals... etc.,

I think there are some really good ideas there.

In general terms, we can envisage the possibility of a USA/Euro 'Empire' which is self-contained [probably taking in European Russia].

There is a problem of what the cultural dominance of this entity would be. Naturally you suggest an 'Anglo-Sphere', but I wonder if this would be acceptable beyond the West [remembering that Europe has a central and Eastern region of great importance].

Surely the only cohesive Mythos for this USA/Euro realm is Race?

Also, there is the problem of the Jewish entity. particualrly ensconced as it is in the USA; you haven't mentioned a Jewish policy - do you have one in mind?

Scoob
Friday, July 16th, 2004, 05:30 PM
In general terms, we can envisage the possibility of a USA/Euro 'Empire' which is self-contained [probably taking in European Russia]. I'm not sure about Russia - it is a wreck. The main advantage is that it has lots of tough people that could be imported to the USA to displace ghetto dwellers. But perhaps other suitable and eager immigrants could be found within the EU.

Surely the only cohesive Mythos for this USA/Euro realm is Race? The unifying idea of the alliance would be First Worldism: Western achievement, culture, technology, economy.

There is a problem of what the cultural dominance of this entity would be. Naturally you suggest an 'Anglo-Sphere', but I wonder if this would be acceptable beyond the West [remembering that Europe has a central and Eastern region of great importance]. I don't propose any separation into an Anglo-sphere or German-sphere, for instance. Most educated Europeans learn English already - and young Americans should be required to learn an important European language. German, French, and Italian are the most important IMO. Over time, one language will probably emerge as the best, or perhaps both languages could fuse if cultural mixing is strong.

Also, there is the problem of the Jewish entity. particualrly ensconced as it is in the USA; you haven't mentioned a Jewish policy - do you have one in mind? As for Jewish people: they are some of the best and brightest people in the West. They have much to contribute to such a political entity, and I'm sure many of them would be quite enthusiastic about such an effort so long as its goals are articulated correctly.

Therefore I don't think we can come at the question from the negative point of believing that 'racist doctrines are discredited'.

That is playing the game completely by the enemy's rules - are sure-fire recipe for defeat. The trick is to play the game by the rules - meanwhile interpret those rules to suit your purposes. They are not "the enemy's rules" unless you allow them to be.