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Bärin
Wednesday, March 4th, 2009, 04:01 PM
The Jews and Muslims have always focused on their folk first. We put foreigners first.

They don't care if their laws and principles of life are considered intolerable by aliens. We do.

They continue to use their thousand year old symbols without caring if it looks racist to the outside. We censor them and give them up because we're afraid to be cataloged as nazis.

They instate immigration and discrimination policies against those not their own. We favor the foreigners.

They are fanatic and have no scruples. We care about moralism, holier than thou attitude and treat others as we'd like to be treated.

They believe in revenge, eye for an eye and strike your enemy before he strikes you first. We turn the other cheek.

& so forth.

Zuid-Vlaming
Wednesday, March 4th, 2009, 04:55 PM
The Jews and Muslims have always focused on their folk first. We put foreigners first.

They don't care if their laws and principles of life are considered intolerable by aliens. We do.

They continue to use their thousand year old symbols without caring if it looks racist to the outside. We censor them and give them up because we're afraid to be cataloged as nazis.

They instate immigration and discrimination policies against those not their own. We favor the foreigners.

Okay, these are rules we could follow. But that's not specifically Semitic, that's just common sense we lost.

But for this :

They are fanatic and have no scruples. We care about moralism, holier than thou attitude and treat others as we'd like to be treated.

They believe in revenge, eye for an eye and strike your enemy before he strikes you first. We turn the other cheek.

& so forth.This is Semitic mentality. I would not like to think this way. Chivalresque spirit is (was) a specifically European value. Semitic fanatism and the "ends justify the means" way of thinking are despisable and the antithesis of traditional European ethics.

rainman
Wednesday, March 4th, 2009, 05:02 PM
I don't think it is so much "learning" as it is genetic and cultural health. Which all races on earth seem pretty unhealthy right now. We need to get rid of Christian culture of being slaves and allowing others to abuse us yes.

I am for all those things exept the lack of morality part. We should avenge those who wrong us, punish anybody who does wrong actually (even to others to some degree), favor our own kind etc.

Quo vadis
Wednesday, March 4th, 2009, 06:42 PM
I have been thinking about how we can emulate the Jews since I read Kevin MacDonald's first book "A people that shall dwell alone". I don't believe in a political solution any time soon, therefore we must prepare for a struggle for a survival that will last centuries.

What's most important is that we have large, healthy, purely Germanic families and that we support each other. The Jews have their synagogues where they meet regularly, they have Rabbis who teach them, they have their organizations helping one another, network with one another, promote breeding within the tribe etc. That is what we should emulate.

This is my dream: Germanic people, dedicated to the preservation of their nations and race, meet regularly, at least once a week. These groups have a leader who preaches to them about the right way of living, for example, to form large families, to avoid miscegenation etc. What is most important is that the whole community is devoted to the task of breeding a large and capable next generation and educated them properly. That means, that every member of the community, who is capable of supporting other members, for instance, because he is well-off, must financially support the community who in turn supports families to have children, as many as possible, and supports their education. Of course, it is important that these families are of good quality with respect to their genes, with respect to their conduct of living and also with respect to their dedication to our common cause, because the community must not waste its money for supporting families who just come to take advantage of this financial support. This financial support by the community should be granted as a loan to be repaid only with accordance to the families' capability.

It is not necessary that every Germanic individual engages in a good career himself and makes a lot of money. Instead it is exactly the most capable of us who should be most dedicated to child-breeding instead, in order to multiply on their good genes. This has impressed me a lot when I read Kevin MacDonald's book about the Jews: The wealthiest Jews supported the reproduction of the most intelligent members of their communities, the scholars, who did not earn a living of their own. Of course, the best of us can have a career and a large family, if they are capable of having both, but if they are not, having a large family is actually more important.

Our governments just take advantage of us. They take our taxes and redistribute the money to alien people who often don't work, but breed instead. We should adapt to this situation and make not work our first priority, but (good) breeding. If we will have large families with 8 children or so who live on welfare and from the (possibly non-monetary) support of our communities, this would be good for us.

Personally, I have no children of my own, sadly. But I wish that I could help to support other Germanics having more children. That's why I dream of Germanic communities dedicated exactly to that task.

SwordOfTheVistula
Thursday, March 5th, 2009, 11:14 AM
Chivalresque spirit is (was) a specifically European value.

'European/Christian' values were developed in the context of a mono-ethnic habitat. There were no racial foreigners around. The other systems evolved in societies in conflict with those around it. In the modern situation, we are no longer geographically isolated as our ancestors were, and thus we should adopt an ideology tailored to combating and succeeding against 'outsiders'.

Semitic fanatism and the "ends justify the means" way of thinking are despisable and the antithesis of traditional European ethics.

With this mentality, you are going to end up with unfavorable ends.

Uncle Seany
Sunday, May 31st, 2009, 09:11 AM
I think it’s a mistake to lump Jews and Muslims together. There is nothing of value that can be learned from Jews.

Just take this, apparently widespread, ‘Samson Option’ attitude: It says that if somebody drops a nuclear bomb on Israel, Israel should respond by launching its 400+ nuclear warheads in every direction, taking out as many of its enemies as possible in punishment.

This is insane and dishonourable.

Jäger
Sunday, May 31st, 2009, 10:05 AM
The Jews are successful, we are not.

"Only a fool is afraid of learning from his enemies" - A. Hitler.

Bärin
Sunday, May 31st, 2009, 10:18 AM
I think it’s a mistake to lump Jews and Muslims together.
Why? It's high time we call spades by their name. I'm tired of hearing the same shit in the media that Muslims are "anti-Semitic" cause they hate the Jews. They are BOTH Semites, simple as that, and they act the same way, looking out for THEIR interests, nothing else matters. Jews attack Muslims, Muslims attack Jews, nobody cares about philosophical concepts of honor and fairness.

There is nothing of value that can be learned from Jews.
How about how to perpetuate our folk?

Just take this, apparently widespread, ‘Samson Option’ attitude: It says that if somebody drops a nuclear bomb on Israel, Israel should respond by launching its 400+ nuclear warheads in every direction, taking out as many of its enemies as possible in punishment.

This is insane and dishonourable.
Of course it's not honorable, but it's effective. Israel a small Jew country in the midst of Muslims is still hanging in there because of this world view. They use any means to reach their end, and they put the Jew first. Not the Muslim, not the American, not the German. While we put the aliens first, instead of our own folk. Maybe it's time we start thinking things differently before it's too late. What's the alternative? To love the enemy, which funny enough is a Semitic concept, but the Semites themselves dropped it and left it to practice for European Christians. :oanieyes

Uncle Seany
Sunday, May 31st, 2009, 12:10 PM
Most Muslims are not Semites. You can classify Arabs as Semitic, but that’s it. Iranians aren’t Semitic, Pakistanis aren’t Semitic, Turks aren’t Semitic, the Indonese aren’t Semitic. 80% of Muslims on the planet are demonstrably not Semitic.

‘Antisemitism’ is not, and never has been, about hating Semites. It is, very specifically, about hating Jews, be they Semitic or not. And whilst you can of course hate those for being a socio-cultural blight in general, the very much predominant form of ‘Antisemitism’ today is targeting a very specific subset of Jews, i.e. Zionists.

Whereas Islam is a religion, Zionism is a narrowly neo-nationalist political movement. That is a huge difference which needs to be taken into account in any discussion.

In practical terms, this means that one needs to view the state of Israel and its supporters as an aberration, representative of a fundamentally non-religious subset of a numerically irrelevant, inward-looking social cult.

Islam is transnational. There is no ‘them’.

Rassenhygieniker
Sunday, May 31st, 2009, 10:54 PM
Vlad Tepes managed to expell the savages out of his country by out-turking the Turks, our only way to beat the Jews will be by out-jewing the Jews.

By remaining gentlemen toward our enemies we will be confined to the losing end.

velvet
Sunday, May 31st, 2009, 11:43 PM
Whereas Islam is a religion, Zionism is a narrowly neo-nationalist political movement. That is a huge difference which needs to be taken into account in any discussion.

Islam is not a religion, it is a states system that strives for global dictatorship. It has a religious component, but this ranks at the very last place of importance in it.
And it is not peaceful, quite the opposite, the suicide bombers are part of the concept (despite the denial of the 'official speakers' which should already explain enough).
Islam parts the world in two, one part is the house of peace (that is islamised regions) and the house of war (the world to conquer and islamise).

We really should get rid off the misconception that it is a 'peaceful religion'. This is an deathly error.

Sigurd
Monday, June 1st, 2009, 12:23 AM
Most Muslims are not Semites. You can classify Arabs as Semitic, but that’s it.

That then still makes the Muslim problem in at least The Netherlands, France and Spain an almost exclusively Semitic problem. ;)

80% of Muslims on the planet are demonstrably not Semitic.

They may not be by blood, but since their regional and supra-regional original national cultures were submerged by the Islamic god-state, which is in its origin an Islam idea.

Some cultures which are predominantly, or at least partially Muslim, like several Bosnian regions, or the Indonesians, evidently still retain much of their non-Islamic culture. But, really, how much is left of it in these other states?

Genetically speaking, probably a good number of Germanics are technically partial Celts who adopted Germanendom as a culture; the length of time a certain culture, or culture-replacement (as would be the case with Islam) is the Leitkultur over a certain area also has a bearing as to the ethnogenesis of a people, and whether it can be seen as part of a larger cultural expanse.

In many cases in these "supposedly non-Semitic" nations, we are talking of Islam having been in place 1,000+ years, most other cultural norms which predate Islam are gone, their (quasi-) culture is essentially Semitic, regardless of whether they are genetically not Semitic.

Take the non-Semitic culture away from a people, wiping it out entirely and superimpose Semitic culture and they become Semites. An empty chocolate box filled with potato wedges becomes a box of potato wedges.

Whereas Islam is a religion, Zionism is a narrowly neo-nationalist political movement. That is a huge difference which needs to be taken into account in any discussion.

It is correct that Judaism has become a cultural identification in part due to secularisation. Many Jews are secular and that many of these are essentially Zionists who are no longer that much in touch with their religious teachings, and are just "cultural Jews" rather than "religious Jews".

However, Islam is not just a religion, either. It is a culture-replacement as it is a culture-destroying religion which seeks to superimpose the teachings of their perverse god-state. And in many countries, Islam is also the Law of the country. As such, the distinction between Islam as a religion, a form of government, a culture, and a legal basis for their societies has become so blurred that they have to be seen together.

And this is precisely why we must not let it take root in our countries, long before we become "genetic Semites" through inter-marriage (or what-you-will), we would become Semites on other levels, essentially we would still be White, but that's about all that'd be left: A box filled with the wrong contents.

In practical terms, this means that one needs to view the state of Israel and its supporters as an aberration, representative of a fundamentally non-religious subset of a numerically irrelevant, inward-looking social cult.

To be honest - if they would keep their noses (hah - what a pun! ;)) out of our business, then I would not mind a Jewish state in some place of the world. I'd much rather have them have their own state instead of bothering us in our countries.

I am not 100% happy with the position of this Jewish state having been chosen to be in an area which is also claimed by other ethnicities as their traditional homeland, that is however not our problem: Let the Jews and the Arabs fight this one out, it's quite frankly not our battle, even if we originally put the Jews there.

Islam is transnational. There is no ‘them’.

Well, ask a Lebanese Muslim whether he'd rather identify with a fellow Muslim from let's say Nigeria or Morocco or Indonesia, or whether he'd rather identify with a fellow Lebanese who just so happens to be Christian.

You'd be surprised, their feeling of community is based more upon their common religion than their national identification, perhaps with the notable exception of a few countries such as Egypt, Indonesia or Turkey.

As such, their transnationality is the real danger, and that which makes it a "them". You cannot confine the Muslim problem to any given state such as "the Turks" or "the Pakistani" --- the problem is "the Muslims".

Thusnelda
Monday, June 1st, 2009, 12:43 AM
Well, I want to say something regarding the argument that the state of Israel is a paradigm of how to handle demographic problems:

I think the thesis that we can learn something from Israel isn´t that true. In fact, the state of Israel has learned some things from NS-Germany. Not less aspects of their state doctrine are orientated at former NS ideals, they´ve just replaced "German(ic)" with "Jewish".
On the other hand, around 20% of the population of Israel are Arabs of islamic faith. To claim that Israel is a textbook example for a homogenous and some kind of racialist state isn´t true. :| The Arabs in Israel become more and more since the jewish birthrate is far below the islamic one.

We shouldn´t look at other ethnic groups for examples. We´ve the best examples within our own history.

velvet
Monday, June 1st, 2009, 12:49 AM
I am not 100% happy with the position of this Jewish state having been chosen to be in an area which is also claimed by other ethnicities as their traditional homeland, that is however not our problem: Let the Jews and the Arabs fight this one out, it's quite frankly not our battle, even if we originally put the Jews there.

Sigurd, we didnt 'put' them there, it their holy land. The problem is, that it is also the holy land of the muslims. Their Tempelberg is the same like the jewish Tempelberg, and we fought more than one war for the jews in history (holy crusades) to free their holy land from the muslims, who equally rightful (judged by their belief) claim the rights to it.

But since islamism and christianity came to existence about the same time (and largely base their belief in the same stories, only that Jesus for the muslims is only a prophet, not the messiah), it is save to say that the Jews, as they were first, have the right to it.

Of course I agree that it is their problem to fight that out and our 'support' should end with tons of machine guns and munition and some people who have a look at the borders. The problem would be solved within a few weeks I guess :D

Sigurd
Monday, June 1st, 2009, 12:50 AM
Bärin - I will address your points in this separate post of its own, as it's essentially a little distinct from having to point out why Muslims are Semites to Uncle Seany. ;)
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The Jews and Muslims have always focused on their folk first. We put foreigners first.

That is to qualify. For that one'd have to identify Muslims as being one folk. The fact that they are not immediately is where the problem comes in.

Speaking by blood, I've met two respective young women - one 1/4 Jewish 3/4 Austrian-German; the other 1/4 Jewish 3/4 "British" --- both Jewish by religion however. They are however taught to identify first with other Jews before they identify with other Germans or other British, their fuller ethnical make-up.

One of them actually ended up divorced at a young age, her former marriage to an Austrian man would even have passed the Nuremberg Laws. :P

In our case, a similar thing would be that f.ex. all Christians team up together and first identify with each other. However, that would not quite work, as obviously there are more non-White and non-Germanic Christians than White and Germanic ones.

The reason why at the minute Jewish or Muslim preservation is essentially synonymous with Folk Preservation is because they've not yet conquered our lands.

They don't care if their laws and principles of life are considered intolerable by aliens. We do.

Nothing we need to learn from them. Just need to get our lazy, whiny arses up and stop being so over-considerate to people we have no connection to.

It's a matter of guilt, and people who feel guilty feel like they need to make up for their supposed "mistakes". This is quickly remedied by debunking the claim that "Evil white man" is at fault for all the world's troubles.

With guiltless pride automatically comes putting your own needs before the needs of others.

The rest of the points can also be done away with the same reasons: All we need is to get our pride back, and stop being so apologetic. The rest will come by itself. The shirt is closer to me than the skirt, old saying which is used often in German ("Das Hemd ist mir näher als der Rock") --- that would be just common sense.

We need not learn from the Muslims and the Jews - we need just learn from our own mistakes and stop feeling so guilty and apologetic for all the world's evil. Even if we were at fault for one or the others, the penances have long been paid, and as far as regards the rest, the past cannot be undone.

All our folk needs to do is to move on and to take pride in its ways again. The rest is really a self-runner. If the folk-spirit is not ailing but healthy, then nothing can do us any harm; any attempts to push it back into the direction of our current situation would fall on deaf ears and be ultimately unsucessful.

Sigurd
Monday, June 1st, 2009, 01:08 AM
Sigurd, we didnt 'put' them there,

British Protectorate of Palestine. Part of it given to Israel in 1948, the rest became Jordan. ;)

it their holy land. The problem is, that it is also the holy land of the muslims.

Let's not forget the Holy Land of the Christians as well. May it be in the Autonomous Palestinian Zone --- the Church of the Nativity is also there, for instance. :D

it is save to say that the Jews, as they were first, have the right to it.

The Jews originally lost it to the Romans. If they wish to claim it back, they must assert their claim to it.

Saying that whoever came first, is only one deciding point, but it can never be the prime deciding point. Otherwise, let's move all the American Germanics out of America, move all the English out of England in favour of the Welsh and Cornish, move us Bajuvarians out of Celtic and Illyrian Austria and Bavaria back into Bohemia. :P

After which time someone can legitimately lay a claim to the land as being his culture's immediate homeland is questionable. The chance for a previous inhabitant culture to claim it back is always a possibility, as long as the memory still persists.

Since the Jews were esentially gone for near 2,000 years as a collective from the area now considered as Israel is where the issue comes in: They wish to lay claim to a lost land of their ancestors; whilst the Arabs establish that they have a legitimate claim to calling it their homeland, for their overwhelmingly long period of residency.

Since we lay claim to for example Britain as being a Germanic country, we could hardly defeat their claim either. Essentially, neither party is right or wrong about to whom it belongs, as such it's their battle to fight out; we're only burning our fingers down there. ;)

Jäger
Monday, June 1st, 2009, 10:24 AM
We´ve the best examples within our own history.
That's why we are where we are, right?

Thusnelda
Monday, June 1st, 2009, 03:05 PM
That's why we are where we are, right?
Our problem is that our societies tend to shun everything good of our history because of an absurd guilt complex.

Out of Germania
Tuesday, June 2nd, 2009, 07:51 AM
I don't think anyone said we should emulate the Semites 100 % and become exactly like them. Jews and Muslims are racially mixed, but they still have a criteria which they base their survival on. They have strict rules not to marry outside that criteria. We don't. At least no longer.

Jäger
Tuesday, June 2nd, 2009, 08:28 AM
Our problem is that our societies tend to shun everything good of our history because of an absurd guilt complex.
Obviously there is also something "bad" present, or else we wouldn't be in such a situation.

velvet
Tuesday, June 2nd, 2009, 11:19 AM
British Protectorate of Palestine. Part of it given to Israel in 1948, the rest became Jordan. ;)

Let's not forget the Holy Land of the Christians as well. May it be in the Autonomous Palestinian Zone --- the Church of the Nativity is also there, for instance. :D

Yeah, hot zone down there :D
I know about the new installed state Israel of course, but it's not that they were completely gone the last 2000 years. They just didn't rule.

But you're right and I said that already too, that it is their problem to sort that out. ;)

Segestan
Saturday, July 25th, 2009, 04:39 PM
The Jews and Muslims have always focused on their folk first. We put foreigners first.

They don't care if their laws and principles of life are considered intolerable by aliens. We do.

They continue to use their thousand year old symbols without caring if it looks racist to the outside. We censor them and give them up because we're afraid to be cataloged as nazis.

They instate immigration and discrimination policies against those not their own. We favor the foreigners.

They are fanatic and have no scruples. We care about moralism, holier than thou attitude and treat others as we'd like to be treated.

They believe in revenge, eye for an eye and strike your enemy before he strikes you first. We turn the other cheek.

& so forth.

We don't need to learn from them we just need to do as our fore fathers did in saving and protecting our own. Whites have the best history of all races and cultures all we need to is look back into our own heritage for our answers.

Jäger
Saturday, July 25th, 2009, 05:44 PM
We don't need to learn from them we just need to do as our fore fathers did in saving and protecting our own. Whites have the best history of all races and cultures all we need to is look back into our own heritage for our answers.
If our history and past culture would be free of any flaws, we wouldn't be in this mess, we are in today.
Evidently, something went wrong, and our historical culture couldn't prevent it from happening, which in itself is a flaw.

Segestan
Saturday, July 25th, 2009, 05:59 PM
If our history and past culture would be free of any flaws, we wouldn't be in this mess, we are in today.
Evidently, something went wrong, and our historical culture couldn't prevent it from happening, which in itself is a flaw.

True... but humans are flawed. Still we must look to our historical greatness for the answers to our potential demise. The white races have collectively, the best attempts at society building and it is just because of this superiority , and the abuse of morality and finances , that whites races are today a failing group of humanity.

EQ Fighter
Saturday, July 25th, 2009, 08:18 PM
Segestan
and the abuse of morality and finances , that whites races are today a failing group of humanity.

I think that could be termed as Globalism, sometimes goes by the terms , Marxism, Communism, and even Democracy.

I think what Germanics could learn, is that Jews invented and now control both the Media and Banking systems, and can use both greed and propaganda to control the Germanic populations all the while those Germanic populations think they are doing everything by their own will, when in actuality they are simple pawns in their own countries.

But what is even worse is that now the Jews are being out paced by Muslims who will soon own the banking institutions and Germanics will be slaves to a new master.

Segestan
Saturday, July 25th, 2009, 09:03 PM
Segestan


I think that could be termed as Globalism, sometimes goes by the terms , Marxism, Communism, and even Democracy.

I think what Germanics could learn, is that Jews invented and now control both the Media and Banking systems, and can use both greed and propaganda to control the Germanic populations all the while those Germanic populations think they are doing everything by their own will, when in actuality they are simple pawns in their own countries.

But what is even worse is that now the Jews are being out paced by Muslims who will soon own the banking institutions and Germanics will be slaves to a new master.

Yes... it is globalism. Globalism through usury.
Thus we have a western policy of free trade and multi-racialism. Of course there are hidden agendas of Jews and Muslims, communist.. etc.
True that Jews in the west control most of the system at the top, they have a place at the top of the food chain.
Germanic's in the main , know the take on Jew's.. they have a constant reminder in the hollow/ Jew -story-line. Muslims only have a wet dream of being new masters in finance. They have no economies only oil and bulging populations ready to riot. Once the dollar tanks they are done!
I see you're concerns but it really comes down to whites finding their own roots and going forwards.

sumadartson
Saturday, November 21st, 2009, 11:51 AM
Okay, these are rules we could follow. But that's not specifically Semitic, that's just common sense we lost.

But for this :

This is Semitic mentality. I would not like to think this way. Chivalresque spirit is (was) a specifically European value. Semitic fanatism and the "ends justify the means" way of thinking are despisable and the antithesis of traditional European ethics.

A chivalresque attitude is just as bad as being 'politically correct', and is one of the main reasons other cultures think they can overrun our lands, refuse to adapt, even refuse to learn one of the country's languages ! Kindness is easily mistaken for weakness. And weakness has no place in the heart of a true racialist.

SwordOfTheVistula
Sunday, November 22nd, 2009, 12:02 AM
A chivalresque attitude is just as bad as being 'politically correct'

The source of it, really. The 'chivalresque attitude' was a way to mediate intragroup conflicts and limit the damage done by them, to extend this to people outside the group is political correctness. Most importantly the 'chivalresque attitude' depended on mutual reciprocation, which we certainly do not have most in dealings with other races.


We don't need to learn from them we just need to do as our fore fathers did in saving and protecting our own. Whites have the best history of all races and cultures all we need to is look back into our own heritage for our answers.

During the period of white domination, we made use of technology imported from other sources (gunpowder) and also used a religious text imported from the middle east (Christianity)

EQ Fighter
Sunday, November 22nd, 2009, 03:32 AM
I think our problem today really has alot to do with the incestuous relationship between both the Jewish Marxist in Russia and the Jewish liberals in the north east of the United States such as New York which started the early part of the 1900's.

They have used this to build strongholds under the cover of both Communism and Oligarch Capitalism. I would say most Germanics really want a truly free system, which is stymied time and time again by the internal Jewish control systems; and, wealthy families such as the Rothschild’s and associated empires.

In reality I personally think that the Muslims are in a way the hit men, and dirty dealers for the internationalist. I can guarantee you that there were plenty of NY Jews that went out of their way to help arabs, and Islamic’s over Germanics in the 1970's and were in fact using their position to Islamtise America at that time. In fact in my life time I have seen a pattern of internal protectionism, and having preference of any group over Germanics regarding many Jews.

In fact even with the current F-ed up situation. I would be willing to bet that the same group of George Soros Jewish liberals would tell Swed’s and other Germanic groups to continue to let the influx of Arabs continue until critical mass has been reached, and there is no going back.

That basically amounts to silent genocide while patting them on the back. If you can believe what you hear on the internet Sweden may have already reached that point now.

Segestan
I see you're concerns but it really comes down to whites finding their own roots and going forwards.

I don’t really see many whites interested in finding their roots, except the poor and powerless ones, at the bottom that see the tidal wave coming at them. The ones that are wealthy and have the power are basically sellouts to multiculturalism.

Out of Germania
Friday, December 25th, 2009, 11:09 AM
For better or for worse you have to give credit where credit is due. Even the Devil is right about some things.

By Frank Roman

Several days ago I received the following email from a friend and supporter of European Americans United. In part here's what it said:

If you cross the North Korean border illegally you get 12 years of hard labor.
If you cross the Iranian border illegally you are detained indefinitely.
If you cross the Afghan border illegally you get shot.
If you cross the Egyptian border illegally you get shot.
If you cross the Saudi Arabia border illegally you will be jailed.
If you cross the Chinese border illegally you may never be heard from again.
If you cross the Venezuelan born illegally you will be branded a spy and your fate sealed.
If you cross the Cuban border illegally you will rot in prison no questions asked.
If you cross the Mexican border illegally you will be jailed, beaten, and eventually thrown out.

Of course, no one in their right mind--with the exception of facing imminent death--would even consider illegally broaching the borders of the above mentioned nations. Instinct alone will tell us that the violent result of invading these places, even benignly, is quite true. Overall the people of these nations behave like extremist reactionaries. They are unpredictable and embrace a culture of unimaginable cruelty; having long adapted to coexisting with totalitarian rulers. Video and information outlets such as YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2yLVyJBIt5c) will clarify in graphic terms why no one in their right mind [regardless of their ethnicity] would even dare to consider jumping the borders of these places.

More importantly however the manner in which the people who live in these nations protect their borders (and conduct their internal affairs.-- Ed) is their business.

http://www.wvwnews.net/story.php?id=8277

What do you think? Should we emulate our enemies or not?

Blod og Jord
Friday, December 25th, 2009, 11:16 AM
Yes I think we could learn something from other nations, but the principle of sticking to your own and rejecting foreigners isn't a typically Semitic (or foreign) one. We used to have it in our nations too, before the political correctness and multiculturalism.

From other nations we can learn how to stick to that principle. Although some nations are hypocritical, because while they reject foreigners in their territories, they demand the Germanic nations give special privileges to their natives who immigrate there.

Siebenbürgerin
Friday, December 25th, 2009, 11:22 AM
Vlad Tepes managed to expell the savages out of his country by out-turking the Turks, our only way to beat the Jews will be by out-jewing the Jews.

By remaining gentlemen toward our enemies we will be confined to the losing end.
Indeed, Vlad the Impaler became acquainted with the technique of impalement while he was a prisoner in the Turkish custody.

In my view, we could learn something from others, however, we mustn't be completely dishonourable. Because the end doesn't always justify the means. Some of these Muslim countries have primitive behaviour towards their own peoples. Very few freedoms for their peoples and abuse for those who enter prison, even if they're innocent. Islam is a dark age religion, which pulls peoples back.

Ahnenerbe
Tuesday, December 29th, 2009, 01:45 PM
A good article that reviews all the possible reasons for the high level of Jewish achievement.



Chance

The notion that Jewish achievements might simply be attributable to good fortune can be dismissed out of hand. While anomalies do occur, it is statistically and logically impossible to conclude the disproportionate achievements of Jews arose from chance. It would be akin to explaining the thousands of years of Diaspora, anti-Semitism, and Holocaust as simply "bad luck." It did not happen that way.


God's Chosen People

The conception of Jews as "God's chosen people" is an explanation some might find plausible. Abraham entered into a "covenant" with God, who promised to protect and revere his people if they obeyed his commandments. "'Now Adonai' (the Lord) said to Avram (Abraham), 'Get . . . out of your country, away from your kinsmen . . . and go to the land that I will show you. I will make of you a great nation, I will bless you and . . . make your name great.'",

The covenant with Abraham was reaffirmed in B'resheet (Genesis) 17:2-7, and with Moses in Sh'mot (Exodus) 19:5. "Now if you will . .. keep my covenant, then you will be my own treasure from among all peoples." Being "chosen" might explain Jewish achievement were it not for the unbelievable hardships Jews have also endured. For 2,534 years until Israel was created in 1948, Jews were forced to live as tiny minorities in widely dispersed enclaves over much of the world. With a few notable, usually brief, exceptions, wherever they lived, they were persecuted.

One further aspect of "chosen" deserves mention. This is the notion of tikkun olam, which is taken to mean chosen by God for the special responsibility of helping "repair a broken world." For some, the obligation of tikkun olam arises from the Jewish response to original sin. For others, it involves a mystical conception of the need to reunite sparks of divine light shattered when God created the world. In either conception, Jews must help heal the world for the benefit of all mankind.


Genes

Might genetics or natural selection help explain disproportionate Jewish achievement? An interesting theory arose some years ago bearing on that question. It noted that in feudal Europe, where most were born to their station for life, the Roman Catholic priesthood was the one meritocracy. There, a person of talent could rise to a position of power in the one institution unsullied by nepotism. The downside was that some of Europe's best and brightest were choosing a career in which their genes would not be passed on.

Jews had a different arrangement. They selected rabbis for their knowledge and intelligence, but generally required them to have a wife and children. Unlike priests, rabbis could multiply, and they did. Perhaps this "natural selection" made a difference, but celibacy did not exist in the Eastern Orthodox Church, nor in the cultures of Asia or Africa. And, following the Reformation, celibacy had ever less effect on Protestant Europe and North America. Further, some commentators have observed the greatest flowering of Jewish achievement commenced well after the Reformation. Thus, while interesting, the theory is not yet compelling.

Others suggest a different form of natural selection. Namely, over the thousands of years Jews have endured, the weak have been culled while the strong survived. Esther Rantzen, a prominent British (BBC) personality says: "The slow often got wiped out. You always had to be a jump ahead of the pogrom. I am casting no aspersions on those who died, but, if you are persecuted for thousands of years, it is a very tough form of the survival of the fittest." One would be hard pressed to imagine circumstances more challenging and more likely to distill the best from the rest than what Jews have been through. Diaspora, anti-Semitism and the Holocaust were devastating for families and individuals.

Perhaps equally or more important than the early "culling" of Jews (and the temptation to assimilate) was the wisdom of early rabbinical leaders. Aware of the loss of the ten tribes in the first Diaspora and the continuing threats to their widely scattered throng, they had the foresight to think through, write down, and communicate the vital religious tracts, customs, and culture of Judaism to their dispersed brethren. In doing so, they kept Judaism alive and helped avert assimilation. They ensured the survival of their people.

The astonishing fact is that this 4,000-year-old culture, a tiny fraction of the population where ever they settled, survived at all. But they retained their culture, developed the skills, and demonstrated the determination that continues to drive their achievements.

Going a step further, with today's greater scientific understanding of genes and chromosomes, is there evidence pointing to a Jewish genetic predisposition for achievement? The answer is "not really." Apart from distinctive DNA sequences of the Cohanin and perhaps the Levites, there are many different strains of Jewish DNA, some of which are very common among Middle Eastern Arabs including Palestinians, Syrians, Greeks, and other ancient Mediterranean lines., In the words of Dr. Robert Pollack, professor of biological sciences at Columbia University, "There are no DNA sequences common to all (Ashkenazi) Jews and absent from all non-Jews." Jews are genetically close to many other cultures, including those whose accomplishments pale by comparison.


Culture

Random House Dictionary provides two useful definitions for "culture": "5. the behaviors and beliefs characteristic of a particular social, ethnic or age group. . . . and, 6. Anthropol. The sum total of ways of living built up by a group of human beings and transmitted from one generation to another." In his book The Wealth and Poverty of Nations, Professor David Landes of Harvard defines culture as "inner values and attitudes that guide a population." He says, "If we learn anything from the history of economic development, it is that culture makes all the difference."

Jews are not monolithic. Generally in Judaism, differences in beliefs are not just tolerated, but seen as healthy." Followers of Orthodox, Conservative, Reform, Hasidic, Reconstructionist, Kabbalist, and other Jewish denominations disagree, sometimes vehemently, but they have a family of shared views derived over a 4,000-year heritage. Generally, they agree on much more than they disagree about. In the same way that individual American Indian tribes have differences from tribe to tribe but share a common culture, so do "mainstream" Jews.

And while Jews share some values and beliefs with other cultures, they embrace a unique and distinctive combination. What follows are the author's views on elements of Jewish culture that have contributed to their "need to achieve."


Ethical Monotheism

Jews were the first to believe in a single God. Their conception of ethical monotheism is a unique Jewish contribution to us all. From it came the Old Testament and much of Western civilization. Today, Christianity and Islam encompass half the world's six billion people, but they both began with Judaism.

David S. Ariel, president of Cleveland College of Jewish Studies, says: "There is no one authoritative Jewish conception of God, although all Jewish thinkers agree that God is one and indivisible." . . . "Judaism presents two interconnected sacred myths . . . The first presents God as transcendent . . . . a fearsome God who judges the world . . . The other . . . views God as an accessible personal being. . . . a nurturing and comforting parent . . ."

Whether transcendent or personal, both conceptions imply an absolute connection between ethical behavior and divine action. For Babylonians, Greeks, Romans, and other pagans, the "gods" were capricious, dealing a random, arbitrary fate to humans. As Ariel says, "The moral God of the universe is the fundamental axiom of Jewish belief." Humans' lives are not shaped by unpredictable, mercurial gods, but by their own actions. In Judaism, actions have consequences.


Progress

"In the beginning . . . " These are the first three words in the Bible. They envision a single point (perhaps a "big bang") from which history began. Time is an arrow, not a circle. History does not repeat for Jews as it does for Hindus. Buddhist and Eastern passivity is transcended.

Islam ("submission") and Inshah Allah ("God willing") involve theistic determinism most Jews reject. As Paul Johnson wrote in his classic, A History of the Jews, "No people has ever insisted more firmly than the Jews that history has a purpose and humanity a destiny." Jews believe in a future different from, and better than, the past, and that God has given them a role in shaping that future.


Choice, Action, and Accountability

Belief and action are cherished in Jewish culture, but belief does not trump action. Admission to heaven is not based on faith as in some religions. Choice and action are what counts. In the words of the ancient rabbis, "Everything is foreseen, yet freedom of choice is given." God creates options, but does not direct responses. From this flows freedom and accountability, a linkage that both ennobles and inspires as it mitigates victimhood. Almost no culture has more basis for feeling persecuted - and Jews do not forget their tortured history - but they rarely demonstrate the propensity of some cultures to see themselves as victims. They take responsibility for themselves.


Rationality, Modernism, and Verges

Though some Jewish denominations are traditional, even backward-looking, mainstream Judaism, particularly since the Jewish Emancipation, has been pragmatic and forward-looking. "What works?" "What makes sense?" "How can this problem be solved?" As Johnson said in A History of the Jews, "The Jews were the first rationalizers in world history. This . . . was to turn Jews into problem solving businessmen." "Above all, the Jews taught us how to rationalize the unknown." Great Jewish thinkers from the Middle Ages to the age of Jewish Enlightenment, Maimonides, Spinoza, and Mendelssohn, were all rationalists.

A small example. Jews rationalized charging interest for loans among themselves (usury) long before Christians did. Islam still struggles with the issue. Thus, Jews could practice finance while others could not. Dispersed from Argentina to India and North America to China, they had networks of family and "landsmen" around the world they could work with and trust. This was a huge advantage in international trade.

Throughout the Diaspora, Jews lived on what former Pulitzer Prize winning historian Daniel Boorstin called "verges." He attributed much American creativity and success to the country's being a place where different cultures, technologies, and political views encountered one another. Each experienced interactions impossible in their own insular worlds. Those encounters challenged their thinking, and therein stimulated change and growth. "In ancient, more settled nations, uniformity was idealized. . . . The American situation was different. The creativity, the hope of the nation was in its verges."

No culture has experienced more verges than Jews. They traversed the world. Thomas Sowell's book, Migrations and Cultures, speaks of Jews during Spain's Golden Age "standing at the crossroads of two great civilizations (The Moorish Islamic and Spanish Catholic Worlds), Jews were peculiarly well situated to deal in the ideas and cultures of both the Islamic and Christian worlds, . . . to advance themselves culturally and materially. . . . They received knowledge from different directions (which) . . . stimulated their own thinking and development of . . . Jewish culture. . . . Maimonides, was a product of such cultural crosscurrents."

Jews processed new ideas by integrating dissimilar facts and cultures and developing new insights that added to their collective knowledge and capabilities.


Tolerance for Competing Views

As the title of a collection of Jewish quotations says, Two Jews, Three Opinions. In his book What Is a Jew?, Rabbi Morris N. Kertzer notes, "The most distinctive feature of the Jewish religion has been its hospitality to differences. In all of Jewish law will be found both an austere interpretation and a liberal one - and the rabbis have ruled 'both opinions are the word of the living God.'" Hillel the Elder (70 BC to 10 BC) and his contemporary Shammai (50 BC to AD 10) disagreed strongly about Judaism. And, though many prefer Hillel's views, Shammai's are also accepted as correct.

A further aspect of this phenomenon deserves comment. This is the frequent role of Jews as leaders on different, often opposing, sides of major issues. Nobel Laureate Paul Samuelson was a leading Keynesian when he wrote his classic college textbook Economics. It was fellow Jew Milton Friedman, also a Nobel Laureate, who became the foremost economist to discredit much of the Keynesian dogma. Paul Ehrlich made his reputation forecasting a dismal Malthusian future as the world became overwhelmed by its burgeoning population. Ehrlich lost his famous $1,000 bet in a ten-year test of his hypothesis to economist and fellow Jew Julian Simon, whose outlook was decidedly more optimistic. Marx and Trotsky were among prominent Jews to theorize and devote their lives to Communism. Yet among their fellow Jews are some of the most successful capitalist entrepreneurs of all time.

Noam Chomsky is a shrill critic of nearly everything done by the Israeli government. Two of his constant adversaries are Alan Dershowitz and David Horowitz. At The New York Times, Paul Krugman and Thomas Friedman are strident critics of President George W. Bush. William Safire and David Brooks have countered their arguments, presenting their own strong case for a more conservative view. J. Robert Oppenheimer ultimately opposed nuclear weapons, while his former colleague, Edward Teller developed the hydrogen bomb and supported the Star Wars missile defense program. Herbert Marcuse, I.F. Stone, Noam Chomsky, and many fellow Jews strongly criticized the United States, often defending socialism, while Norman Podhoretz, Richard Perle, Paul Wolfowitz, William Kristol, Charles Krauthammer and other "neo-conservatives" defended America and argued for a more muscular approach to the threats facing our country.

Such contrasts could fill a book. In the end, they demolish simple-minded anti-Semitic stereotypes of Jews as monolithic, single-issue advocates of one dogma or another. On the contrary, what seems to engage them is an energetic involvement in all sides of most issues.


Assertiveness and Verbal Skills

Abraham challenged God. God said he would destroy Sodom and Gomorrah for their wickedness. Abraham responded: "Will you actually sweep away the righteous with the wicked? Maybe there are fifty righteous people in the city . . . Shouldn't the judge of all the earth do what is just?'" Heresy in most religions, such "chutzpah (http://forums.skadi.net/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fen.wikip edia.org%2Fwiki%2FChutzpah)" began with the first Jew. For most Jews, standing up and speaking out is valued. To see a wrong and not work to change it is irresponsible. Jews have a sense of duty and confidence about sticking up for their beliefs.

Such assertiveness is complemented by the premium placed on verbal skills and verbal self-confidence. One must be capable of thinking and reaching conclusions, and that skill must be coupled with a willingness to air those views, have them challenged, and challenge others in return. Yeshivas and Talmudic education stress thought and debate. Such skills were thought, by some classmates, to confer an unfair advantage on Scott Thurow when he was a student at Harvard Law School.

Bar mitzvahs and bat mitzvahs transition boys and girls from childhood to adulthood. In both, the thirteen-year-old must stand before family and friends to publicly assert, "Today, I am a man" or "woman." Speaking out and speaking well is important in Jewish culture. And in the significant numbers of Jews who practice in major law firms, hold political office, work in journalism, literature, the media, and entertainment, we see those skills manifested every day.


Education

By the time Mohammad called Jews "The People of the Book." "the Books" in question already included all 39 books of the Hebrew Bible, plus the "Oral Law," written into the Talmud and Midrash. Especially after the Romans killed hundreds of thousands of Jews and dispersed the rest into small scattered enclaves round the world, the need to write it down and the ability to read and understand this trove was fundamental to keeping the religion and culture of Judaism alive.

Jews believe in an absolute duty to educate and be educated. Maimonides, the twelfth-century Jewish philosopher, said, "Appoint teachers for the children in every country, province and city. In any city that does not have a school, excommunicate the people . . . until they get teachers for the children."

Though circumstances made education difficult in Eastern Europe in the 1700s and 1800s, the relatively illiterate Jewish population craved education. Thomas Sowell's book Ethnic America notes that roughly half the Eastern European Jews were illiterate when they arrived in the United States. Once here, however, they "seized upon free schools, libraries and settlement houses in America with a tenacity . . . seldom approached by others. They not only crowded into public schools, but adult night schools as well (after long days of work). . . . And still, the Jewish daily newspaper, Forward, castigated them for not doing enough."

Though destitute and testing poorly on IQ tests when they arrived from Eastern Europe, "Jews rose to have not only higher incomes than other Americans, but also more education and higher IQs. By the mid twentieth century, more than one-fourth of Jewish males had four or more years of college, less than 10 percent of the U.S. population . . . had that much education." "As of 1990, most Jews over age 25 had at least completed college, with about half having gone to graduate study. By contrast, only 12 percent of the corresponding . . . (U.S.) white population completed college. Further, Jews not only have more education, but better education - from higher quality colleges in more demanding and remunerative fields such as law, medicine and science."

The same happened wherever Jews had the opportunity. In Australia, "Among young people between the ages of 16 and 22, nearly three-quarters of the Jews were full time students, compared to about 20 percent of the general population." In Argentina, "While Jews were only about one percent of the population in 1980, they were 20 percent of the university student body." And in early twentieth-century Germany, "One fourth of all law students and medical students were Jews, though Jews were only one percent of the population."


Family

Marriage and family have long been indispensable in Jewish life. A man without a wife was seen to be "without joy, without blessing, and without good." In Ethnic America, Sowell said, "Jews are more likely to marry than others and less likely to divorce." Jewish fathers were also less likely to desert their families. Fathers have a duty to support their children, educate them and teach them a trade, and children have a duty to honor their parents. Scores of Jewish family rites link religious duties to love of home. These traditions strengthen both home and religion. Family support was critical in an environment where discrimination reinforced the need to take care of one's own.

Jewish families also inculcated a drive to succeed into their young. Both "Italians and Jews," notes Sowell, "have had highly stable families, but the values of the Jewish family drive the individual toward upward mobility."

In many Jewish families, the day-to-day job of raising kids, instilling values, and encouraging academic performance has been the job of a loving - even demanding - Jewish mother. In a recent biography, Sherwin Nuland, author of How We Die, reflected on how vitally important his mother was. He perceived that she lived only for him. Even Meyer Lansky found his mother critically important in his life. She was the one person he did not want to disappoint.


Skills, Autonomy, and Independence

Diaspora Jews were rarely farmers or landlords, and they were unwelcome in many established trades and industries controlled by locals. Still, they had to survive. If they were to provide for their families in a hostile world, skills were vital, even doubly important for Jews since those who dislike you will pay for your services if what you do is valuable, you do it very well, and they have no better choices.

Historically, Jews shied away from large organizations. Anti-Semitism made it unwise to trust the goodwill of others, or serve an institution where a change in sentiment could put one at risk. Better to control your own destiny and succeed or fail based on your own performance.

The major paths open to Jews were the professions (such as doctor, lawyer, scientist, or entertainer) and working as merchants, financiers, and entrepreneurs. In each such field, skills are distinguishable and excellence is valued. Professions typically allow one to function outside large organizations and to relocate if threats arise. Merchant and middleman skills were viewed as "beneath" most locals, while finance and lending were needed, but prohibited by some religions. Jewelry and precious metals had the further advantage of being quite compact in relation to their value. They could be moved quickly and quietly if circumstances warranted.

Jews created new industries where there were no established barriers. Their European legacy in the clothing industry had no peer in early nineteenth-century America where they created the "ready-to-wear" industry from scratch. The feature-motion-picture business never existed before they started or shaped every major studio except United Artists. More recently, they have created a huge number of new high-tech companies. When banks and law firms were already staffed by old-line, white-shoe Gentiles, Jews started their own firms - and later started their own country clubs as well, when they found doors closed to them.

Even the religion embodies autonomy. There is no pope, Christ or priest serving as a religious intervenor between the individual Jew and God, and each synagogue selects its own rabbi.


Hard Work, Tenacity, and Excellence

Jews rarely had family wealth to fall back on. Parents had to instill awareness that life was serious, play was not a priority, and tenacity mattered. Hard work and determination would complement superior skills. As Paul Johnson noted, "The Jews are the most tenacious people in history." Tenacity and superior talent made you valuable and discrimination costly.
Excellence provided a sense of achievement. Financially rewarding, it was also a ticket to respect. But more, it was psychological compensation for the world's false view that you might be unworthy. In any meritocracy, Jews excelled.


Willingness to Be Different

Judaism began with Abraham's willingness to be different. In the covenant, "...the Lord had said unto Abraham, Get thee out of thy country and from thy kindred, and from thy father's house, unto a land that I will shew thee." It was an astonishing thing for a person to do 4,000 years ago. Abraham packed up and left virtually everything he knew. He had confidence in God and in himself, enough to leave his home and go where God directed him.

Later, Moses defied the comfort and security of the pharaoh's household to champion slaves and lead them from Egypt. Most prophets defied conventionality. Jesus and Paul demonstrated remarkable tenacity at standing apart, dedicated to their beliefs despite the humiliation and risks involved.

From inception, Jews have followed seemingly strange religious practices. They dressed and ate differently, spoke their own languages, kept to themselves, performed work no one else was willing to do, and generally refused to assimilate. They may not have wished to be different, but for 4,000 years they have been.

Being perceived as "different" can be as liberating as it is uncomfortable. While the comfort of being in tune with the larger society may be absent, being different conditions Jews to stand apart and to live by their wits. They may as well "get over it," since conforming is impossible. Being viewed as an outsider only spurs a compulsion to demonstrate superiority, thereby overcoming negative stereotypes through superior performance.

In 1905, when Einstein (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=23666) proposed that the speed of light is constant, and because of that, both time and motion are relative (to the observer), the concept was so revolutionary, so remarkably different from conventional wisdom, that years passed before his notions were accepted. E = mc2 was equally revolutionary and hard to comprehend in the Isaac Newton paradigm of the times. Indeed, though Einstein developed four papers in 1905 and completed his general theory of relativity by 1916, it wasn't until 1922 that he received a Nobel Prize, and that was principally for his work on the photoelectric effect. Indeed, virtually every Nobel is an award for being different, for having thought through a problem in a new way that yields dazzling new insights. Jews have won 163 of 750 Nobels awarded to individual through 2004.


Money

Jewish culture comes in for a good deal of both respect and derision when the subject is money. While a Scot may be kidded about being frugal in a charming sort of way, Jews come in for a rather more broad-brush, often pejorative, treatment. To some, Jews are miserly or hoarding. Others see them as ostentatious. Still others see them using money as an instrument of control. Envy and anti-Semitic stereotypes come into play.

In a meritocracy, however, money is the reward for success, the scorecard of achievement, a proxy for status, and an insurance policy for survival. It goes to those with talent who work hard to earn it. It also provides the means to survive if, as in the 1930s, there is risk to you and your family. Threatened for as long as Jews have been, they may need wealth as insurance. Money helps compensate for discrimination. You can do business on a mutually beneficial basis with those who dislike you if you have something they want and the means to say no.

Finally, money is the tool for providing charity. Many Jews feel a special duty to help those in need. Wealth provides the means to fulfill that responsibility and they do. In the end, money is important in Jewish culture in ways less true for other cultures.


Moderation in Diet and Drink

Traditional Jewish culture follows kosher dietary practices arising from Biblical injunctions about what Jews should eat and drink and how food should be prepared and served. All vegetables are kosher. Pork is prohibited, as are certain kinds of seafood. Blood must be removed, and dairy products must not be served with meats. Because they are creatures of God, animals must be killed in a humane fashion. Their death should not be taken lightly.

For many non-Jews, some kosher practices seem strange. Presumably, even if there were safety concerns about eating pork and shellfish 2,000 years ago, those concerns are no longer justified.

Orthodox Jews would respond that today's safer food is irrelevant. The Torah calls for kosher. Kosher "disciplines Jews towards holiness" in satisfying a basic need: food. It cultivates respect for the distinctive requirements of being Jewish, and once more we are drawn back to the covenant. God requires it, and being Jewish means being different.

Many have observed that most Jews enjoy wine and some alcohol, but they avoid excess. Recent research suggests there may be a genetic basis for that restraint. Drinking only in moderation is also both healthy and a survival skill. In his book Ethnic America, Thomas Sowell notes, "Like the Italians, Jews served wine with meals but seldom became drunkards. Drunkenness, boisterousness or recklessness induced by drink could easily have become fatal in the precarious situation of most European Jews." He goes further in Migrations and Culture, noting," . . . the unusually low rates of alcoholism . . . found in studies of Jews in Poland, Canada, Prussia, Australia, and the United States."


Justice and Charity

In 1987, Thomas Sowell wrote a remarkable book titled Conflict of Visions. In it he posited the notion of two prevailing social or political visions. Both want the best for everyone but differ sharply in their view of how the world works and how best to effect change. The "unconstrained view" sees a world where people can intervene directly to bring about desired social goals. This view believes results can be directly prescribed. If you see an injustice, you can and should intervene to make things better.

The "constrained view" sees a nuanced world complex beyond comprehension. It shares the unconstrained view's value for what is being sought, but sees most interventions as counterproductive, yielding unintended consequences that typically make things worse rather than better.

For those in the constrained camp, the unconstrained view is well-meaning, but flawed and elitist. It attempts to manipulate levers that don't work the way they are thought to work. For them, the world is both more complex and often self-corrective (Adam Smith's "invisible hand," the body's natural healing process, etc.). Intervention, if drawn upon at all, should complement the natural order rather than challenge it.

For the unconstrained, the constrained view is uncaring and aloof, ignorant of what can be achieved and, in not intervening, irresponsible in abdicating responsibility. While the analogy may do a grave disservice to Sowell, the unconstrained would find and give fish to the poor because they are starving; the constrained would help them make a fishing rod.

Perhaps arising from the long history of anti-Semitism, Jewish culture strongly identifies with the underdog. Many Jews believe they have a duty to care for, and demand justice for, others as much as for themselves. And in tikkun olam, they were "chosen" to take action. The world and injustice will not heal themselves.

Jews are remarkably generous. As noted earlier, only 2 percent of the U.S. population, they were 19 (38 percent) of Business Week's 2004 list of the 50 most generous philanthropists. They donated almost $10 billion over less than five years to mostly secular causes. Since "Temple times," the kuppah, or collection box, has been the community welfare box to which Jews were obligated to donate. Many Jews think of charity as an item to budget, just as they would the mortgage payment. It is an obligation, not an afterthought. One reason for accumulating great wealth is to help those in need.

In short, one sees in the activist liberal orientation of many Jews the consequence of long-standing cultural values akin to Sowell's "unconstrained view." By intervening, they established trade unions, helped get blacks the right to vote, cured polio, created birth control pills, split the atom, created Israel and thousands of other interventions that benefit us all. They act.


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In the end, luck had nothing to do with Jewish achievement. A self-perception of being "chosen" may have contributed, as may natural selection or some other not yet understood aspect of genetic predisposition. More likely, however, it is the unique, remarkable, and ever-evolving 4,000-year-old Judaic culture that has driven, and continues to drive, the performance.Source: Jewish Achievement (http://forums.skadi.net/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.jewi shachievement.com%2Fabout%2Fculture.html )

Laurier
Saturday, February 4th, 2012, 01:34 PM
Rabinical judaism (pharisees) is based on the Talmud. The total lack of consideration of everyone who isn't jewish as teached by the Talmud, WILL LEAD to dominate people sooner or later. In my opinion such a mindset can only lead to domination. That's what I've always thought regarding the jewish accomplishment and I doubt about the merits it has.

Talmudic judaism is not a "superior race" concept, it is a ONE RACE concept and it leads to a totally different behaviour.

Most of people indeed will considerate more or less equals any human he will meet, on the simple basis that he's human.

I've extensively studied the Epstein/Soncino Talmud, the jewish racial supremacism is nothing but the very basic application of the rabbinical teachings.

Edgard
Thursday, April 5th, 2012, 04:02 PM
Learning from an Enemy?

Some people say there is a word Jewish conspiracy to destroy us all. Others say not however one thing that is clear is that many Jewish groups are highly hypercritical when it comes to racial and cultural preservation. They support multiculturalism and intermixing of the races for use and racial purity for Jews.

Israel certainly has many policies that no Germanic nation could get away with. However what are they doing to meet the challenge of preserving race and how are they getting away with it?
How do they discourage interracial marriage in Israel. How do they keep the world from intervening? How do they protect their borders?

Perhaps e most importantly how did they go from being a small group to control's much of society and how can the trick be repeated for us?
How does Jewish cultural Marxism work and could the same methods be used against its masters?


What can we take from this and use?

EQ Fighter
Friday, April 6th, 2012, 12:04 AM
Learning from an Enemy?

Some people say there is a word Jewish conspiracy to destroy us all. Others say not however one thing that is clear is that many Jewish groups are highly hypercritical when it comes to racial and cultural preservation. They support multiculturalism and intermixing of the races for use and racial purity for Jews.

I assume here you are referring to Orthodox Jews, in which case what they are preserving is NOT a race but an ideology. This is why they see Christianity as such as threat. Jews have been multicultural all the way back to biblical times, it is even mentioned in the bible where they exit Egypt as to the number of Non-Ethnic Jews that join their party.

Anyone can be a "Jew" if they convert.


Israel certainly has many policies that no Germanic nation could get away with. However what are they doing to meet the challenge of preserving race and how are they getting away with it?
How do they discourage interracial marriage in Israel. How do they keep the world from intervening? How do they protect their borders?

1) They have a relatively powerful army. 2) They don’t give a shit about what the world thinks.


Perhaps e most importantly how did they go from being a small group to control's much of society and how can the trick be repeated for us?
How does Jewish cultural Marxism work and could the same methods be used against its masters?

It works by finding "Groups" who are in underprivileged positions and exploiting them with entitlement politics. And in the case of Europe before communism, they intermarried into the "Royal Families" which gave them access to all the resources of the the elites.

The "Trick" as you say cannot be repeated by Germanic’s because, Germanic’s prize Truth as a value, If Germanic's Embrace the "Trick" then you kill what is good about Germanic Culture.


What can we take from this and use?

That they have a long history of weaselling themselves into positions of power. That they do not like any form of Majority Rule, and given a chance they will turn any form of military access they have on the Majority Population and in many cases create a genocide. And Finally they don’t give a dam about objective truth, just manufactured BS in the name of some cause not respective of anyone they F-up in the process or the fact that it does not work.

Powmia
Friday, April 6th, 2012, 12:14 AM
There is already a thread about this, but I lost it.

Anyway, everything you need to know can be learned from a Baboon.

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Hilderinc
Friday, April 6th, 2012, 01:53 AM
What can we take from this and use?

Nothing. Are we Aryans—tillers of the soil; sons of the Sun—or are we parasitic J00s, the scum of the Earth?

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however one thing that is clear is that many Jewish groups are highly hypercritical when it comes to racial and cultural preservation. They support multiculturalism and intermixing of the races for use and racial purity for Jews.

It's not hypocritical, it's hyper-tribalism at its finest.

How do they discourage interracial marriage in Israel.

Bulldozing non-Jewish settlements and replacing them with Jews is a good way to start!

How do they keep the world from intervening?

When you own Uncle Sam, you can do anything you wish!

How do they protect their borders?

Over $2 billion a year in US military aid[1 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:US_aid_to_Israel.gif)] to aggressively attack their neighbors, of course.

Not to mention the giant border wall along the West Bank...

how can the trick be repeated for us?

Unless you want to spend hundreds of years trying to lower our people to a level even lower than that of the j00s (which is impossible, since they have invented and perfected their methods since their people came into existence), it ain't gonna happen.

renownedwolf
Friday, April 6th, 2012, 02:18 AM
If there is anything to learn from the jews it's 'The squeaky wheel gets the oil'

Meister
Friday, April 6th, 2012, 03:11 AM
We don't have to emulate racial others at all. Everything they do and have we once did and had.

They have close knit families and societies, ours are splintered and our children have far too much freedom, which they mis-use which causes further friction in our societies.

They still follow their faiths and traditions, whilst ours have been mocked and largely destroyed or commercialised. - Try mocking a non Christian or non European faith.

We concern ourselves with everything and everyone else, ever noticed how it is always white people at protests regarding the environment or whales etc? - Non whites are quite happy to destroy everything around them and then blame the whites.

We concern ourselves with making sure the invading immigrants feel at home in our lands even if this means we must "compromise" our own values. -If you go to a non white land, they will make sure you follow their rules.

The tide is slowly turning though, the west hasn't always been on top, we have overcome this situation before.

EQ Fighter
Saturday, April 7th, 2012, 06:27 AM
If you can Barter with the your Germanic Ally because that way both you and your Germanic Friend keep ALL the Profit and do not give a "Do Nothing" government the chance to skim off 80% of what you are doing.

Trust me man this does work.

I see Mexicans do it all the time, and they profit themselves.
The Stupid Whites are the ones that keep using them money because they feel the necessity to "Play by the Rules" and most of them do not corporate with each other.

GewaltigeAufgabe
Sunday, July 29th, 2012, 05:15 PM
Why? It's high time we call spades by their name. I'm tired of hearing the same shit in the media that Muslims are "anti-Semitic" cause they hate the Jews. They are BOTH Semites, simple as that, and they act the same way, looking out for THEIR interests, nothing else matters. Jews attack Muslims, Muslims attack Jews, nobody cares about philosophical concepts of honor and fairness.


How about how to perpetuate our folk?


Of course it's not honorable, but it's effective. Israel a small Jew country in the midst of Muslims is still hanging in there because of this world view. They use any means to reach their end, and they put the Jew first. Not the Muslim, not the American, not the German. While we put the aliens first, instead of our own folk. Maybe it's time we start thinking things differently before it's too late. What's the alternative? To love the enemy, which funny enough is a Semitic concept, but the Semites themselves dropped it and left it to practice for European Christians. :oanieyes

Adolf Hitler once said that success is the sole earthly judge of right and wrong. It seems there is more wisdom in this than anything, and it goes right along with what you are saying.

He also said that morals mean nothing to an enemy who doesn't have them. We are dealing with creatures bent on our total destruction, by whatever the cost - even at the sacrifice of a certain number of their own individuals - and the fact that we even think about how to curb it in a moral way is disturbing and preposterous. The Jews have sacrificed their own because they know that it is better for the whole. National Socialism tries to accomplish similar solidarity between its adherents, because frankly, IT WORKS! The only thing that will redeem mankind is cooperation. Our enemies seem to understand this concept more than any other race.

This isn't medieval Europe. We're not knights of heroism, come clad in white armor to do righteous battle with the serpent of the Jewish dark. There are no princesses other than Europa to rescue. We are mere humans and we are going extinct. Our mental fallacies and mindset of honorable means need to be abandoned when dealing with an enemy of such vile motives. Our honor need only be applied to our own people.

Do you think the brownshirts raiding Jewish mansions before WW2 was honorable? Perhaps in the sense that they were doing it for the betterment of the fatherland (which I am 100% for), but still, it was a brutal tactic. It is the same strategy being employed by the golden dawn in Greece. Don't you hear the reports of immigrants being beaten, chased, and harassed? The foreigners are already leaving. Yes, sadly, it works too! It is an ugly reality that we all must face...

The sooner we realize that morals can not always be followed, that they do not apply to enemies that have none themselves, the sooner we can start effectively saving our people.