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Übersoldat
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 07:55 PM
http://www.model-group.si/database/images/2/2CC7D728-F43B-438D-9932F120DFE56F07/TN2_85B61B2C-B15C-4A21-AB2D02372EABCA54.jpg

http://www.model-group.si/database/images/0/0C0FDCAF-E46B-4C8A-97B0F9FE11A18599/TN2_D177F8AB-BD26-49F7-B09CE079DD16000C.jpg

http://www.model-group.si/database/images/4/45211C52-61E5-45B0-8FDEBF2C897220C7/TN2_5BDF8C58-36E1-4055-8F72AABFC600E8FF.jpg

http://www.model-group.si/database/images/9/948B5798-5927-41E5-B5B9BDCC83E010B1/TN2_053C89BA-B33C-4637-ABB49CBF68450371.jpg

http://www.model-group.si/database/images/E/ECB4616C-40D3-436B-848E046ED709C86F/TN2_180D371A-8F86-44F7-97C69DB358D3E2EF.jpg

http://www.model-group.si/database/images/3/3E79961F-D973-40D5-92C3A56E43761876/TN2_9B2D095A-32F4-4D64-B770477115E0B734.jpg

http://www.model-group.si/database/images/2/23DEBC08-DBC6-4F98-92F3D940D486A0DF/TN2_9CB77BB2-B472-4439-BC6421F1A6566685.jpg

http://www.model-group.si/database/images/4/4A7906BC-E5FF-4DDD-B07E9480412FBE77/TN2_CAB824B1-C875-43EC-9907DB16AC0D00DF.jpg

http://www.model-group.si/database/images/E/E649581D-1170-4C46-A91770CD5E2F78CE/TN2_60EA0853-9363-418F-8C9C47601E1FB052.jpg

http://www.model-group.si/default_model_slo.asp?typeID=0

Agrippa
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 08:07 PM
Some look perfect others not. Of course you can see the Alpine, Nordid and Dinarid influence in them so they arent really typical Mediterranid.

But she is looking really Atlantid (Atlanto-Mediterranid):
http://www.model-group.si/database/images/3/3E79961F-D973-40D5-92C3A56E43761876/TN2_9B2D095A-32F4-4D64-B770477115E0B734.jpg

This one is a good example of "heroin chic" sick look, dont know why she is a model at least judging from this picture:
http://www.model-group.si/database/images/E/ECB4616C-40D3-436B-848E046ED709C86F/TN2_180D371A-8F86-44F7-97C69DB358D3E2EF.jpg

Awar
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 08:20 PM
This is Zvaci's little attempt to try to 'prove' that Slovenians are 'swarthy'.
Yet, a couple of pictures cannot compare to serious scientific studies which prove Slovenians are lighter-pigmented than Croats.

Next time you try this silly propaganda, at least have the decency to post color photographies and non-manipulated pictures.

In any case, what's wrong with being dark-pigmented. So many Croats and Germans have the same pigmentation as these girls, are you trying to say they're of less worth than their lighter-pigmented cousins?

Awar
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 08:23 PM
In any case, almost all the girls can pass as regular central Europeans.

Agrippa
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 08:26 PM
I know Croation Nationalists and had good relations to some Croats, but any real Croat who want to make Slovenians look worse is out of control if this really is the case...

RedEgosyntonicSun
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 08:34 PM
I like the first one.
Seems wild.

Übersoldat
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 08:42 PM
Next time you try this silly propaganda, at least have the decency to post color photographies and non-manipulated pictures.

Have you smoked something tonight Avar? This is a direct linking, and I provided source. Have I raised this page perhaps so I can manipulate them?

In any case, what's wrong with being dark-pigmented?

Ask Triglav.

In any case, almost all the girls can pass as regular central Europeans.

This one would have troubles to pass as Southern European:
http://www.model-group.si/database/images/0/0C0FDCAF-E46B-4C8A-97B0F9FE11A18599/TN2_D177F8AB-BD26-49F7-B09CE079DD16000C.jpg


Med with sub-saharan strain:
http://www.model-group.si/database/images/2/23DEBC08-DBC6-4F98-92F3D940D486A0DF/TN2_9CB77BB2-B472-4439-BC6421F1A6566685.jpg

'Swarthy Dinaric' ;)
http://www.model-group.si/database/images/4/4A7906BC-E5FF-4DDD-B07E9480412FBE77/TN2_CAB824B1-C875-43EC-9907DB16AC0D00DF.jpg

Übersoldat
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 08:48 PM
I like the first one.
Seems wild.

Agreed.

http://www.model-group.si/database/images/3/3E79961F-D973-40D5-92C3A56E43761876/TN2_9B2D095A-32F4-4D64-B770477115E0B734.jpg

This one looks like a hot tempered chick also. :D

Übersoldat
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 08:51 PM
I know Croation Nationalists and had good relations to some Croats, but any real Croat who want to make Slovenians look worse is out of control if this really is the case...

This should go vice versa also. ;) Besides, you do you think that I wanted to 'make Slovenians look worse' by attaching pictures of their beautiful girls?

Agrippa
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 08:57 PM
This should go vice versa also. ;) Besides, you do you think that I wanted to 'make Slovenians look worse' by attaching pictures of their beautiful girls?

I just answered to what Awar said and argued:

if this really is the case

Well, I repeat it, if its really the case, because for me not all of them look that good, but some do, and all are good Europeans imo.

Awar
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 08:59 PM
I know Croation Nationalists and had good relations to some Croats, but any real Croat who want to make Slovenians look worse is out of control if this really is the case...

He has a bit of a quarrel with Triglav in another thread ( one which you'd just waste time reading ), so this is some sort of Zvaci-crusade to try to 'prove' that Slovenians are 'swarthy'.

@Zvaci: Thanks for posting pictures of such beautiful models. Great looking gals, and very good photos.

White Falcon
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 09:24 PM
I think some of them look mongrel because of plastic lips
and starvation :) imo

bernard_sk
Monday, April 19th, 2004, 10:04 PM
when I saw the pics, I got the same impression as Awar.
anyways, personally I don't find them good looking.

more like my taste ;)
http://www.model-group.si/database/images/3/3E3159E5-5846-4A69-9B291EE361CC9991/TN2_7112D586-DBCF-447A-801E41A3541B4944.jpg

http://www.model-group.si/database/images/5/52CBF40C-2E15-4706-AF5890300B6524C2/TN2_A7345BD1-DD6F-4E15-AA74E93E33DBA351.jpg

http://www.model-group.si/database/images/2/2172D7A7-7737-11D7-AD750040F46593D7/TN2_AF1BB115-3C76-45ED-8C947212B800C78C.jpg

http://www.model-group.si/database/images/F/F9F09812-D8D1-4FD2-A44542860072FEAA/TN2_5067FB6A-521C-4BC1-8B6C2B8F280D03E9.jpg

Triglav
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 04:45 AM
Ask Triglav.



Now I see which way the wind blows. You would try to post a few handpicked models in order to denigrate Slovenians.

http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=9937&page=6&pp=20

For the record: THERE IS NOTHING WRONG WITH BEING DARK-SKINNED,

There are dark-skinned individuals all over Europe (Germany, France, Slovenia, England, Norway, and I've even met supposedly native Swedes with a perfectly Borreby morphology, yet very dark skin and black hair). Nobody disputes that, nor do I.

The fact is that you have expressed to plan to make Slovenia swarthier by mixing them with Croatians. You have admitted that yourself. Anyone who has seen native Slovenians and native Croatians must have noticed that there are differences - even substantial ones. I am strictly against such a mission. Even if there were none, I'd be opposed to lumping them together, especially at the expense of one of them, but the damage done would be smaller.

Again you have twisted my words in order to slander me.

I will make myself extremely unpopular with fellow racialists (racial preservationists not racists), but I am going to pose the following question:

What is wrong with being Negroid? Are they inferior to Whites?

The simple answer is: NO.
Nobody is in position to establish what is good or bad, superior or inferior, etc.

Everyone is unique and all have their advantages. IQ tests are suited to the Western and Eastern societies and Blacks obviously can't show their qualities in them (while northern Mongoloids score higher than Whites).

All I want is to preserve the unique racial character of Europe, yes, even the world. I take the view that the predispositions for our creations (inventions, culture, spirituality) would be lost if irreversibly altered and if the diversity of the planet Earth got lost.

Cultures can be eradicated. Oh well, one can nonetheless re-create them. However, our racial uniqueness, once lost, can not be re-established again.
That is why I place (sub)race and (sub)racial uniqueness above culture and nation.

If the races mixed and the evolutionary clock would be reversed, we would never achieve such a high human level again.

I am going to repost what I wrote in that other thread:

A few handpicked models, whose ancestry is unknown to us, are not indicative of a population. Zvaci admitted that Slovenians are light-skinned and Croatians mostly aren't. The only large Croatian group that is rather light-skinned are the Zagorjeans who are very akin to Slovenians, which he admitted as well.

And now he's starting a thread on dark Slovenian models... I might add that about 20-25% of the population of Slovenia are white immigrants, mostly from the Balkans (including Croatians).

The general error being made here is the assumption that "all those Slavs are the same". I have developed an ability to distinguish between the immigrants from the Balkans and native Slovenians at a glance. I can, with great certainty, go through a town and point at the non-natives. I am sure the ex-Yugoslavians at this forum know what I am talking about.

I can also tell e.g. a Croatian Noric (often very low-vaulted and with sallow skin albeit very blondish(!)), Baltic or Alpine from a Slovenian. That has nothing to do with "Nordishness". I am sure many people would agree that the Croatian Nordics are more similar to Skandonordics, since they tend to be more gracile and lean - perhaps because those Nordics are the descendants of the Goths. Many Slovenians are more robust Cordeds and continental Nordics (like the Dutch, German or North Italian Nordics).

I am not a Nordic fetishist, but anyone who is familiar with the subject could reaffirm all my claims so far.

I have nothing against Croats. I wish them all the best I just want to preserve the uniqueness of my nation. That is what this forum supposedly stands for. That is why I am a member. I also wish the same things for the Croatians and every other nation in the world. Croatians tend to be rather dark, although there are undoubtably light-skinned Norics, Nordics and Baltics, as well as Alpinids (a blond nordomorphic variant called "Pannonid" by Skerlj). However, there are also light-skinned Italians and Greeks, but we all are aware (at least at this forum I am under the impression) of what the consequences a blend between them and a Central or North European nation would have.

Triglav
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 04:54 AM
http://www.model-group.si/default_model_slo.asp?typeID=0

She has somewhat beady eyes.

Her name is "Maria". If she were Slovene, her name would be "Marija". She's most definitely not Slovene. This is how one can skew the data.

Triglav
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 04:59 AM
Agreed.

http://www.model-group.si/database/images/3/3E79961F-D973-40D5-92C3A56E43761876/TN2_9B2D095A-32F4-4D64-B770477115E0B734.jpg

This one looks like a hot tempered chick also. :D

Well, too bad she's definitely not Slovenian either. :shrug "Candelaria" - doesn't that sound Romance?

Those who are interested in seeing Slovenes I advise to take a look at the whole webpage. Keep in mind, though, that many of them are not ethnic Slovenes.

http://www.model-group.si/default_model_slo.asp?typeID=0

If this was to be a sub-racial presentation of Slovenia, it a biased one.

Mistress Klaus
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 12:22 PM
Personally I would rather look at AWAR's Polar Bears... :)

Triglav
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 01:09 PM
Personally I would rather look at AWAR's Polar Bears... :)

:lmao

I don't find them appealing either. They're too emaciated.

Übersoldat
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 01:26 PM
The fact is that you have expressed to plan to make Slovenia swarthier by mixing them with Croatians. You have admitted that yourself. Anyone who has seen native Slovenians and native Croatians must have noticed that there are differences - even substantial ones. I am strictly against such a mission.

You're building a strawman!
I was talking about partition of Slovenia between Austria and Croatia, not making it Swarthier. As a totally depigmented individual from totally depigmented familly descending from depigmented province identical to Krain I cannot see how could my presence of my types make Krain swarthier. Post the proof about Zagorjean swarthiness which could prove Slovenia being more Nordic.
Also knowing the the exsistance of Dinaric and Alpine element in South Germany/Austria I cannot see how could South Germanics (which historically own this land to begin with) make you swarthier than you already are.

Forgive me for not believing the story about Slovenians being a super-race infront of South Germans and North Croats. (:o

Übersoldat
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 01:33 PM
She has somewhat beady eyes.

Her name is "Maria". If she were Slovene, her name would be "Marija". She's most definitely not Slovene. This is how one can skew the data.

Its an usual name in Catholic countries, remember the German composer Karl Maria von Weber forinstance. The first name cannot proove anything...also I think they use artistic names on this site

Triglav
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 01:48 PM
Its an usual name in Catholic countries, remember the German composer Karl Maria von Weber forinstance. The first name cannot proove anything...also I think they use artistic names on this site

I told you there was a difference in spelling. "Marija" is native. Maria is foreign. She could be Slovene, but due to her looks and name she's almmost definitely foreign.

If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, then it's most probably a duck.

Vojvoda
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 01:51 PM
Their faces and names could be Serbian:

http://www.model-group.si/database/images/2/2CC7D728-F43B-438D-9932F120DFE56F07/TN1_85B61B2C-B15C-4A21-AB2D02372EABCA54.jpghttp://www.model-group.si/database/images/F/F9F09812-D8D1-4FD2-A44542860072FEAA/TN1_5067FB6A-521C-4BC1-8B6C2B8F280D03E9.jpghttp://www.model-group.si/database/images/3/3E3159E5-5846-4A69-9B291EE361CC9991/TN1_7112D586-DBCF-447A-801E41A3541B4944.jpg



These ones look more stereotypically Slovene,names also:

http://www.model-group.si/database/images/6/61821B02-7729-11D7-AD750040F46593D7/TN1_B1C0FC0F-772C-11D7-AD750040F46593D7.jpghttp://www.model-group.si/database/images/1/13C51623-F313-4FB4-8EAD71349E934B89/TN1_C818769C-7342-4BEA-A0AAC8F9DC868C45.jpghttp://www.model-group.si/database/images/3/3394876F-4953-414C-9CB84C7ECE6EBD0A/TN1_8707C695-BBA9-48CE-842E20C0DD00A23B.jpg

This one is cute.She looks Italian,Mojca?

http://www.model-group.si/database/images/4/45211C52-61E5-45B0-8FDEBF2C897220C7/TN1_5BDF8C58-36E1-4055-8F72AABFC600E8FF.jpg

Triglav
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 02:08 PM
You're building a strawman!
I was talking about partition of Slovenia between Austria and Croatia, not making it Swarthier.

Triglav: Our kin from Krain look nothing like you swarthy Croatians and it would be a pity if they did.

Zvaci: No fear, they shall look swarthy enough after we entertain their mothers.

Source: http://www.forums.skadi.net/showpost.php?p=106565&postcount=97

Source: http://www.thephora.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=83642#post83642


As a totally depigmented individual from totally depigmented familly descending from depigmented province identical to Krain I cannot see how could my presence of my types make Krain swarthier.

I know many Croats are light-skinned, but many Croats are dark-skinned as well. Anyway, the differecne between Croats and Slovenians in terms of pigmentation is considerable.

I've seen your picture on Stormfront. You, like some of your compatriots, could almost pass for a Slovene (despite some morphological differences like the ears). You look like a northern Croatian.

However, this is irrelevant, since it was you who said Croatians were swarthy and you who said you will make Slovenians swarthy by mixing the Croats with Slovenes.

Post the proof about Zagorjean swarthiness which could prove Slovenia being more Nordic.

I've never said Zagorjeans are swarthy. In fact, I said so often that they are the lightest of all Croatians. They are nearly as light as Slovenians. The difference is minor.

How have I insulted nations like Germans here? I have pointed out that he could be envious of light-skinned nations such as the Germans (with which he intends to "share" Slovenia). He never fails to mention that the Zagorjean Croats (who are very similar to Slovenians, which he again admits) are light-pigmented:http://www.thephora.org/showthread....15&pagenumber=2 last post.
http://www.forums.skadi.net/showpost.php?p=106792&postcount=107

Zvaci admitted that Slovenians are light-skinned and Croatians mostly aren't. The only large Croatian group that is rather light-skinned are the Zagorjeans who are very akin to Slovenians, which he admitted as well.
http://www.forums.skadi.net/showpost.php?p=107174&postcount=114


In the last statement "light-skinned" is what I meant in comparison with Slovenians.

As for the Nordic element, I have already stated what I believe:

I can also tell e.g. a Croatian Noric (often very low-vaulted and with sallow skin albeit very blondish(!)), Baltic or Alpine from a Slovenian. That has nothing to do with "Nordishness". I am sure many people would agree that the Croatian Nordics are more similar to Skandonordics, since they tend to be more gracile and lean - perhaps because those Nordics are the descendants of the Goths. Many Slovenians are more robust Cordeds and continental Nordics (like the Dutch, German or North Italian Nordics).

I am not a Nordic fetishist, but anyone who is familiar with the subject could reaffirm all my claims so far.
http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=9937&page=6


I don't know if Slovenia has a considerably larger number of Nordic individuals than East Croatia, probably yes. Compared to the whole Croatia, the difference must be bigger. The Nordic element, in solution with Noric for instance, must be much greater in Slovenia, I'm sure.

Also:

I have nothing against Croats. I wish them all the best I just want to preserve the uniqueness of my nation. That is what this forum supposedly stands for. That is why I am a member. I also wish the same things for the Croatians and every other nation in the world. Croatians tend to be rather dark, although there are undoubtably light-skinned Norics, Nordics and Baltics, as well as Alpinids (a blond nordomorphic variant called "Pannonid" by Skerlj). However, there are also light-skinned Italians and Greeks, but we all are aware (at least at this forum I am under the impression) of what the consequences a blend between them and a Central or North European nation would have.

Many people oppose inter-subracial mixing, even on a personal level, yet nobody seems to be alarmed at the fact that there is an individual here who wants to negrify a light-skinned nation.

http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=9937&page=6


Also knowing the the exsistance of Dinaric and Alpine element in South Germany/Austria I cannot see how could South Germanics (which historically own this land to begin with) make you swarthier than you already are.

You have brought this up only now. How is this relevant to anything we have discussed so far?

Forgive me for not believing the story about Slovenians being a super-race infront of South Germans and North Croats. (:o

I've never said Slovenians are a super-race, nor have I ever said they are superior to anyone. Neither are they inferior. Period.

johnnywalker
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 02:08 PM
Agreed.

http://www.model-group.si/database/images/3/3E79961F-D973-40D5-92C3A56E43761876/TN2_9B2D095A-32F4-4D64-B770477115E0B734.jpg

This one looks like a hot tempered chick also. :D
she's hot because she's Med..

Übersoldat
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 02:22 PM
Slovenian parliament members:

http://www.sigov.si/dz/si/gif/ljudje/poslanci/abecedni_seznam_poslancev/poslanci_anderlic.gif

http://www.sigov.si/dz/si/gif/ljudje/poslanci/abecedni_seznam_poslancev/poslanci_zlobec.gif

http://www.sigov.si/dz/si/gif/ljudje/poslanci/abecedni_seznam_poslancev/poslanci_zamernik.gif

http://www.sigov.si/dz/si/gif/ljudje/poslanci/abecedni_seznam_poslancev/poslanci_avsic.gif

http://www.sigov.si/dz/si/gif/ljudje/poslanci/abecedni_seznam_poslancev/poslanci_jakic.gif

http://www.sigov.si/dz/si/gif/ljudje/poslanci/abecedni_seznam_poslancev/poslanci_gasparini.gif

http://www.sigov.si/dz/si/gif/ljudje/poslanci/abecedni_seznam_poslancev/poslanci_kelemina.gif

http://www.sigov.si/dz/si/gif/ljudje/poslanci/abecedni_seznam_poslancev/poslanci_jeric.gif

http://www.sigov.si/dz/si/gif/ljudje/poslanci/abecedni_seznam_poslancev/poslanci_vucko.gif

http://www.sigov.si/dz/si/gif/ljudje/poslanci/abecedni_seznam_poslancev/poslanci_susnik.gif

http://www.sigov.si/dz/si/gif/ljudje/poslanci/abecedni_seznam_poslancev/poslanci_mamic.gif

http://www.sigov.si/dz/si/gif/ljudje/poslanci/abecedni_seznam_poslancev/poslanci_svagan.gif

http://www.sigov.si/dz/si/gif/ljudje/poslanci/abecedni_seznam_poslancev/poslanci_malovrh.gif

http://www.sigov.si/dz/si/gif/ljudje/poslanci/abecedni_seznam_poslancev/poslanci_levic.gif

http://www.sigov.si/dz/si/gif/ljudje/poslanci/abecedni_seznam_poslancev/poslanci_lavrinc.gif

http://www.sigov.si/dz/si/gif/ljudje/poslanci/abecedni_seznam_poslancev/poslanci_lenko.gif

http://www.sigov.si/dz/si/gif/ljudje/poslanci/abecedni_seznam_poslancev/poslanci_pavlinic.gif

http://www.sigov.si/dz/si/gif/ljudje/poslanci/abecedni_seznam_poslancev/poslanci_moge.gif

http://www.sigov.si/dz/si/gif/ljudje/poslanci/abecedni_seznam_poslancev/poslanci_vnucec.gif

http://www.sigov.si/dz/si/gif/ljudje/poslanci/abecedni_seznam_poslancev/poslanci_zupan.gif

http://www.sigov.si/dz/si/gif/ljudje/poslanci/abecedni_seznam_poslancev/poslanci_brencic.gif

http://www.sigov.si/dz/si/gif/ljudje/poslanci/abecedni_seznam_poslancev/poslanci_tisovic.gif

http://www.sigov.si/dz/si/gif/ljudje/poslanci/abecedni_seznam_poslancev/poslanci_kavcic.gif

http://www.sigov.si/dz/si/gif/ljudje/poslanci/abecedni_seznam_poslancev/poslanci_spindler.gif

http://www.sigov.si/dz/si/ljudje/poslanci.html

I could be wrong, but I'm not certain many of these faces can pass as average Swedes. They look more like average Croats, or even Serbs.

Triglav
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 02:36 PM
I could be wrong, but I'm not certain many of these faces can pass as average Swedes.

I never said they could nor do I wish to identify or assimilate Slovenes with anyone. In case you still haven't grasped the gist, I want to preserve out nation, not mix. And I am not a Nordic fetishist. :doh

They look more like average Croats, or even Serbs.


That's because their names are Croatian and Serbian. Jakic, Lukic, Vucko, Jeric, Mamic - all Serbian or Croatian. The list goes on and on. How about tanning? What about half-Slovenes with Slovenian names? Levic is Jewish. Gasparini is Italian. Spindler sounds German.

I've never denied that there are darker Slovenians. On the average, though, there is a (considerable difference) between Croatians and Slovenes which you have admitted as well.

Much depends on the lighting in the photos, though. I'm blond, my facial hair and my brows are white, my skin is very florid, yet in some pictures you could use me as proof of "Slovenian swarthiness".

This man, for example, would never pass for a Slovenian:
http://www.skopactel.com/crosingers/thomson1.jpg

The bottom line is that there is a difference between Slovenians and Croatians (sub)racially. An impact of one on the other would be detrimental.

All of those individuals you, be they Slovenians, Serbs, Croats or whatnot, look perfectly European (apart from the naturalised Jew perhaps).

You have again handpicked the pictures, and you again chose the foreigners.

Übersoldat
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 02:48 PM
Triglav: Our kin from Krain look nothing like you swarthy Croatians and it would be a pity if they did.

Zvaci: No fear, they shall look swarthy enough after we entertain their mothers.

Source: http://www.forums.skadi.net/showpost.php?p=106565&postcount=97

Source: http://www.thephora.org/showthread.php?s=&postid=83642#post83642

Dont be such a sissy, its Fades place, not Skadi. It was my provocation to you, powered by Thephora freedom of speech.

I know many Croats are light-skinned, but many Croats are dark-skinned as well. Anyway

I wisited Slovenia several times, and I coul'dn notice the difference. I found many swarthy Slovenians.

the differecne between Croats and Slovenians in terms of pigmentation is considerable.

Only in your pipe-dreems

I've seen your picture on Stormfront. You, like some of your compatriots, could almost pass for a Slovene (despite some morphological differences like the ears). You look like a northern Croatian.

I could pass as more nordic than majority of your parliament. Besides, more nordic Croatians than my self are not rare.

However, this is irrelevant, since it was you who said Croatians were swarthy and you who said you will make Slovenians swarthy by mixing the Croats with Slovenes.

The word 'swarthy' I use as a joke, If you check my 'Ideology' on Thephora you shall find the text 'swarthy around the ears' (even though Im inable to tan)

I've never said Zagorjeans are swarthy. In fact, I said so often that they are the lightest of all Croatians. They are nearly as light as Slovenians. The difference is minor.

Proove the Slovenes are lighter than Zagorjeans...also the blond, light skinned types are not rare in other provinces Slavonia (Pannonia) or Istria.

Zvaci admitted that Slovenians are light-skinned and Croatians mostly aren't. The only large Croatian group that is rather light-skinned are the Zagorjeans who are very akin to Slovenians, which he admitted as well.

Bull!

Vojvoda
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 02:49 PM
http://www.skopactel.com/crosingers/thomson1.jpg
Good example of a Dinarid.Zvaci,what area is he from? BiH I assume.

Triglav
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 02:50 PM
Their faces and names could be Serbian:

http://www.model-group.si/database/images/2/2CC7D728-F43B-438D-9932F120DFE56F07/TN1_85B61B2C-B15C-4A21-AB2D02372EABCA54.jpghttp://www.model-group.si/database/images/F/F9F09812-D8D1-4FD2-A44542860072FEAA/TN1_5067FB6A-521C-4BC1-8B6C2B8F280D03E9.jpghttp://www.model-group.si/database/images/3/3E3159E5-5846-4A69-9B291EE361CC9991/TN1_7112D586-DBCF-447A-801E41A3541B4944.jpg



These ones look more stereotypically Slovene,names also:

http://www.model-group.si/database/images/6/61821B02-7729-11D7-AD750040F46593D7/TN1_B1C0FC0F-772C-11D7-AD750040F46593D7.jpghttp://www.model-group.si/database/images/1/13C51623-F313-4FB4-8EAD71349E934B89/TN1_C818769C-7342-4BEA-A0AAC8F9DC868C45.jpghttp://www.model-group.si/database/images/3/3394876F-4953-414C-9CB84C7ECE6EBD0A/TN1_8707C695-BBA9-48CE-842E20C0DD00A23B.jpg

This one is cute.She looks Italian,Mojca?

http://www.model-group.si/database/images/4/45211C52-61E5-45B0-8FDEBF2C897220C7/TN1_5BDF8C58-36E1-4055-8F72AABFC600E8FF.jpg

Well, "Jelena" is probably Croatian (or Serbian?). The other two could be either Slovenian or anything else. I can't tell. They do look more Serbian, though.

Mojca? Sounds Slovene. Could be a halfbreed or also fully Slovenian. Not all bloody Slovenes are blond. :D

Übersoldat
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 03:08 PM
That's because their names are Croatian and Serbian. Jakic, Lukic, Vucko, Jeric, Mamic - all Serbian or Croatian. The list goes on and on. How about tanning? What about half-Slovenes with Slovenian names? Levic is Jewish. Gasparini is Italian. Spindler sounds German.

Nice try. :D You're saying you have no majority in your own parliament. ROFL With such majority we shall vote for anschluss

I've never denied that there are darker Slovenians.

Yes, thats why I would expel those types from Croatia and make us less swarthy.

You have again handpicked the pictures, and you again chose the foreigners.

I had plenty to 'handpick'.

Triglav
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 03:21 PM
Dont be such a sissy, its Fades place, not Skadi. It was my provocation to you, powered by Thephora freedom of speech.

A two-faced attitude?



I wisited Slovenia several times, and I coul'dn notice the difference. I found many swarthy Slovenians.

Please keep in mind that Slovenian doens't mean ethnically Slovene. I have seen the difference.



Only in your pipe-dreems

Not necessarily in terms of being much much lighter, even though noticeably lighter.
The average pigmentation of the Slovenes is lighter than of the Croats. Croatian also have some extremely pigmented individuals (like the Dalmatian Atlanto-Meds) which fall out of the extreme Slovenian range. The difference I emphasize is also due to the different distribution.

It's not all about pigmentation. The types differ as well. Croatian Norics don't look like Slovenian Norics. You look Nordic/Apline/Dinaric, yet not like a Slovenian Nordic/Alpine/Dinaric would look like. You look typically east Croatian. Is that bad? I don't think so.


I could pass as more nordic than majority of your parliament.

That could well be.


Besides, more nordic Croatians than my self are not rare.

You're not really Nordic, although about 1/2 Nordic. I know Croatians who are fully Nordic and very classically so. I've talked about them to some members of this forum and told them they were present, even though they didn't really thought it possible. Stereotypes. :shrug

Again, I am going to repost (for the second time, as you consistently ignore my statements) what I wrote about Croatian Nordics:

I am sure many people would agree that the Croatian Nordics are more similar to Skandonordics, since they tend to be more gracile and lean - perhaps because those Nordics are the descendants of the Goths. Many Slovenians are more robust Cordeds and continental Nordics (like the Dutch, German or North Italian Nordics).

I am not a Nordic fetishist, but anyone who is familiar with the subject could reaffirm all my claims so far.
http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=9937&page=6





The word 'swarthy' I use as a joke, If you check my 'Ideology' on Thephora you shall find the text 'swarthy around the ears' (even though Im inable to tan)

It was your fault then. If you use it, be prepared to justify it. Okay, let's not use the term "swarthy". Nonentheless, Slovenians are lighter and their pigmentation is distributed differently, as I have already explained.



Proove the Slovenes are lighter than Zagorjeans...also the blond, light skinned types are not rare in other provinces Slavonia (Pannonia) or Istria.

You have said yourself (whether it was in a PM or a post on Skadi) that Zagorjeans resemble Slovenians and are the lightest.

http://www.forums.skadi.net/showpost.php?p=55743&postcount=47

I said they are almost identical. The thing is that I have seen some rather sallow and swarthy individuals there - could be migrants from other parts of Croatia. Again, the difference is thus minor, yet existent, since a Croatian Nordid/Alpine like you doesn't look like a Nordid/Alpine from Slovenia.

Triglav
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 03:35 PM
Nice try. :D You're saying you have no majority in your own parliament. ROFL With such majority we shall vote for anschluss

The percentage of native Slovenes in Slovenia is about 75-80%. We're an endangered species - just like other European countries. You should not make fun of this.


Yes, thats why I would expel those types from Croatia and make us less swarthy.

First you are proud of being dark-skinned, and then you would expel dark-skinned individuals (like Perkovic whom you admire, or Pavelic whose complexion was rather sallow)? Why would you wish to expatriate your own fellow countrymen? Because they're not depigmented enough for you? Zvaci, please calm down and return when you have made up your mind and devised a healthy plan for the preservation of your nation, its welfare and prosperity. I would really like our neighbours to be well off. I have Croatian friends and I've gotten along with them pretty well. No nation is like the other and thus comparing them is pointless. That is why all are unique and deserve to be preserved. I wonder why you would expel individuals you find not depigmented enough. Do you really envy more light-skinned nations? Pigmentation doesn't equal Europeannes. Apart from the minor Asiatic influence on Hvar, Croatia is perfectly Europid and European.



I had plenty to 'handpick'.

Here's the entire list:

http://www.gov.si/dz/si/ljudje/poslanci.html

Of course there are atypical examples as well, such as Jansa and Pece, who look exceptional and people wonder where they came from. ;)

Übersoldat
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 04:05 PM
A two-faced attitude?

Freedom of expression

Please keep in mind that Slovenian doens't mean ethnically Slovene. I have seen the difference.

Strange. According to official attitude, Slovenia has no minorities.

Not necessarily in terms of being much much lighter, even though noticeably lighter.
The average pigmentation of the Slovenes is lighter than of the Croats. Croatian also have some extremely pigmented individuals (like the Dalmatian Atlanto-Meds) which fall out of the extreme Slovenian range. The difference I emphasize is also due to the different distribution.
It's not all about pigmentation. The types differ as well. Croatian Norics don't look like Slovenian Norics. You look Nordic/Apline/Dinaric, yet not like a Slovenian Nordic/Alpine/Dinaric would look like. You look typically east Croatian. Is that bad? I don't think so.


The differences are not so big to prevent Germanization or Croatization of Slovenia.
The migrations are unnecessary, its quite possible to Croatize Krain by Ustasha terror methods, and colonization of non-swarthy Zagorjeans, Slavonians, Istrians ect.
Dinarics shall be present only as terror troops to make certain everything is ok. :)

johnnywalker
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 04:06 PM
:)

johnnywalker
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 04:08 PM
Agreed.

http://www.model-group.si/database/images/3/3E79961F-D973-40D5-92C3A56E43761876/TN2_9B2D095A-32F4-4D64-B770477115E0B734.jpg

This one looks like a hot tempered chick also. :D
She reminds me of this Kashmiri chick from India, definately Med..

http://images.indian-magic.com/katrina/katrina45.jpg

Übersoldat
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 04:19 PM
First you are proud of being dark-skinned, and then you would expel dark-skinned individuals (like Perkovic whom you admire, or Pavelic whose complexion was rather sallow)?

I was referring to non-Nordic Slovenian minority in Croatia like Slovene criminal Joško Joras (only I would not precisely expel him, but set him as an example to other Slovenians)

http://www.joskojoras.com/Joskoj.jpg

Übersoldat
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 05:18 PM
She reminds me of this Kashmiri chick from India, definately Med..[/img]

Yes, the resemblance is striking...
The Slovene girl looks a bit darker though.

Awar
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 05:55 PM
Yes, the resemblance is striking...
The Slovene girl looks a bit darker though.

Interesting, wouldn't you say.
The DINARIC girl in question looks just AVERAGE for CROATIA or SERBIA.
DINARICS are mostly DARK FEATURED, MOST CROATS are DINARIC.

Übersoldat
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 07:03 PM
Interesting, wouldn't you say.
The DINARIC girl in question looks just AVERAGE for CROATIA or SERBIA.
DINARICS are mostly DARK FEATURED, MOST CROATS are DINARIC.

The girl in question is NOT dinaric, but MED. Her type is present in Croatia but its not AVERAGE or typical.
Dinarics are mostly darker, but not so DARK like this Slovene girl.

Dinaric hair is usually brown ranging from light brown to dark brown. Eyes, just like the hair are brown, in darker or lighter range. Blond and blue-eyed Dinarics are not unusual also, specially in Croatia.

Awar
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 07:13 PM
The girl in question is NOT dinaric, but MED. Her type is present in Croatia but its not AVERAGE or typical.
Dinarics are mostly darker, but not so DARK like this Slovene girl.

Dinaric hair is usually brown ranging from light brown to dark brown. Eyes, just like the hair are brown, in darker or lighter range. Blond and blue-eyed Dinarics are not unusual also, specially in Croatia.

Sure this light Dinaric type (Noric) isn't unusual, but it isn't very common either. On the other hand, it's common in Slovenia.

Vojvoda
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 07:56 PM
Males Branimir dr.
O Ljudskim rasama
Beograd, 1936: str 63

"Kao oblasni Škerlj je opisao Savidski tip. Uglavnom odgovara dinarskorn osnovnom tipu. Odlikuje se svetlom bojorn dužice. Rast rnože da bude osrednji, a i glava da se udalji od brahimorfnosti. Da li se ovaj tip javlja samo u Sloveniji ili i u drugim dinarskim krajevima — za sada ne znam. I u Srbiji nalazimo Dinaroide sa plavim i zelenkastim oèima. Ali ne znam da li su to bastardne kratkotrajne forme ili su nasledno stalne."

Übersoldat
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 08:02 PM
Sure this light Dinaric type (Noric) isn't unusual, but it isn't very common either. On the other hand, it's common in Slovenia.

Noric type is Dinaric-Nordic mixture.

Light Dinaric type is not the same as Noric type. They are depigmented but metrically and morphologically still completely Dinaric.

Awar
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 08:07 PM
Read carefully what Vojvoda wrote in the previous post.

Übersoldat
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 08:13 PM
Read carefully what Vojvoda wrote in the previous post.

Interesting, yet a bit off topic. Savid type is not the same as Depigmented Dinaric commune mostly in Istria, Croatia.

Übersoldat
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 08:22 PM
"The pigmentation changes gradually but extensively from a prevailingly blond condition in Istria to a prevalence of dark-mixed and dark eyes, and of black or dark brown hair, in southeastern Dalmatia."
-Coon

Mistress Klaus
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 08:39 PM
I still think the Polar Bears are the best lookers. :D ;)

Übersoldat
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 08:50 PM
I still think the Polar Bears are the best lookers. :D ;)


:rotfl :rofl :roll :smilies :bounce

Eric34
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 10:51 PM
http://www.model-group.si/database/images/F/F9F09812-D8D1-4FD2-A44542860072FEAA/TN1_5067FB6A-521C-4BC1-8B6C2B8F280D03E9.jpg
Courtney Cox face?

http://www.model-group.si/database/images/0/0C0FDCAF-E46B-4C8A-97B0F9FE11A18599/TN2_D177F8AB-BD26-49F7-B09CE079DD16000C.jpg
...and Michael Jacko nose? :P

Any girls are beauties here :) , but few of them are scary for me. :-O

I dunno, maybe because they are too skinnies, and their face are fully bones? I don't know, I like different girls. But maybe these girls are pretties with other's eyes. :) Well, LoL. :D

johnnywalker
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 11:24 PM
Yes, the resemblance is striking...
The Slovene girl looks a bit darker though.
Actually the Indian chick is darker I think..

johnnywalker
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 11:28 PM
I still think the Polar Bears are the best lookers. :D ;)
It's what turns you on I guess...

I think Slavic woman are some of the most beautiful in the world, especially Slavic Med women....NO Nordic women can compete with that..

Vojvoda
Tuesday, April 20th, 2004, 11:38 PM
especially Slavic Med women....Interesting.What are your views on differentiating non-Slavic Med women from Slavic ones? :D

Triglav
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 12:55 AM
Yes, the resemblance is striking...
The Slovene girl looks a bit darker though.

She's not Slovene, but a Romanic immigrant, probably Italian. :doh

Triglav
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 12:58 AM
The girl in question is NOT dinaric, but MED.

I agree.


Her type is present in Croatia but its not AVERAGE or typical.

Yes, she could pass for a Dalmatian, although at the extreme end.


Dinarics are mostly darker, but not so DARK like this Slovene girl.

She's an immigrant with a Romance name. I have yet to see a Slovene girl like her.


Dinaric hair is usually brown ranging from light brown to dark brown. Eyes, just like the hair are brown, in darker or lighter range. Blond and blue-eyed Dinarics are not unusual also, specially in Croatia.

Of course.

johnnywalker
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 03:54 PM
You're all slavic, I don't understand why you must other Slavic countries'women down, Slavic women are among the best in the world..
Hitler killed thousands of Slavs, so I cannot understand Slavic nazis,I would rather hate nazis if I were a Slav, some people are uneducated and stupid I guess..

http://www.miss-una.com/miss-hrvatska/miss_mister_cro03.jpg

Mr and Miss Croatia

Vojvoda
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 05:35 PM
She's not Slovene, but a Romanic immigrant, probably Italian. :doh
Immigrant? I thought there was an Italian minority in the western areas?

Triglav
Wednesday, April 21st, 2004, 06:31 PM
Immigrant? I thought there was an Italian minority in the western areas?

I'm sorry, I should have said foreigner, which applies to the autochthonous non-Slovenes in Slovenia, instead of immigrant.

It's still highly possible that she's an immigrant, though, not just a foreigner.

Either way, the relevant point is that she doesn't look Slovenian, nor is she one.

I have absolutely nothing against individuals who look like her, but I am against trying to pass her off as something she simply isn't and can't be.

ScotchTape
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 03:20 AM
The girls posted on this thread are not attractive at all and I am sorry to say that the best looking girl is the Kasmiri girl.
The girls bernard sk posted are much better looking especially the first one. She's hot!

The Blond Beast
Tuesday, May 11th, 2004, 05:08 AM
You're all slavic, I don't understand why you must other Slavic countries'women down, Slavic women are among the best in the world..
Hitler killed thousands of Slavs, so I cannot understand Slavic nazis,I would rather hate nazis if I were a Slav, some people are uneducated and stupid I guess..

http://www.miss-una.com/miss-hrvatska/miss_mister_cro03.jpg

Mr and Miss Croatia

:laugh

Triglav
Tuesday, May 11th, 2004, 12:31 PM
Good example of a Dinarid.Zvaci,what area is he from? BiH I assume.

He's from Croatia. It's Marko Perkovic -Thompson, a member of HSP. I guess he's too swarthy for Zvaci and he'd like to see him deported...

http://www.hsp.hr/osnovno/hsp_himna.htm

Übersoldat
Tuesday, May 11th, 2004, 07:35 PM
http://www.srbijaicrnagora.tv/glazba/glazba.html

Glenlivet
Tuesday, May 11th, 2004, 09:36 PM
Nice folkish spirit. Can you tell us the meaning of the song? The refrain is stuck in my head.


http://www.srbijaicrnagora.tv/glazba/glazba.html

Übersoldat
Wednesday, May 12th, 2004, 01:27 AM
Yes, it has a strong melodic influence of Dalmatian hinterland, even the specific pipes (gajde) are used. Dinaric mountains is very izolated area - even from other parts of Croatia, so many of the old, almost tribal customs survived intact.
Tompsons song speak about the liberation of Knin, reminding how Knin was the crown cittie of king Zvonimir in the past (the last Croatian king of the folk blood).

"Because of Anica and a cup of vine, ill burn bown Kraina and Knin
Ill burn down two or three Serb headquaters, not to come invain
Anica you queen of Knin!

Because of Anica and a cup of vine, ill burn bown Kraina and Knin
Croats remember Knin and Cratian king Zvonimir!
Anica you queen of Knin!"

I saved one ethnological article related to this folklore:

***

The Dalmatian Hinterland, an integral part of the southern Croatian region of Dalmatia whose music culture I am studying, has been the scene of tumultuous historical events, which have directly influenced the music culture of its people. It is largely inhabited by a population called Morlaci or Vlaji [Vlachs or Wallachs] who engage in cattle breeding for a living. The term Morlacchi was first mentioned in documents in 1352 (Novak, 1971), both as a toponym and as the name for the native population, first Romanized and then Slavenized, which is distinctive on several levels: it designates Christians (as opposed to Muslims), peasants (as opposed to urban-dwellers), and inhabitants of hinterlands (as opposed to the coastal and island populations) (Gulin 1997). It is a fascinating to learn how many wars have swept through this relatively small region over the last two thousand years, how many people have settled there, moved away or simply disappeared, and how many cultures have left their traces in the population which is of Illyrian, Romanic and Slavic origins. One must not omit the religions, which have been present in this region throughout history - polytheism, Roman Catholicism, Christian Orthodoxy and Islam. The traces of that can be witnessed even today in villages whose names such as Islam Grcki and Islam Latinski designate inhabitants of diverse religious and, indirectly, of diverse ethnic affiliation. However, these factors did not influence their mutually very similar modes of communication through music.
To gain a better perception of Hinterland culture I began, at the outset, to examine travelogues and official reports from the 18th and 19th centuries. The original objective of these writings was political in nature - to inform their writers' governments (either Venetian or Austro-Hungarian) about the way of life of the people living alongside the unstable Venetian-Ottoman border, and to try to predict what their reactions would be in the event of military operations. The reports usually speak of three groups who live in the region - islanders, coastal-dwellers (Boduli), and mountain-dwellers (Morlaki, Vlaji). The last one are depicted as having the typical characteristics of Rousseau's imaginary "noble savage" (Gulin, 1997): they are strong, tough, hearty - but sincere, hospitable, honest, noble, and reliable.

European readers discovered the culture of the Dalmatian Hinterland at the end of the 18th century through a travel accounts. The term Morlacchism infers the European reception of information on the Dalmatian hinterland of the 18th century, that is, of its customs, beliefs, the way of life of this population, and their music culture. Alberto Fortis' Viaggio in Dalmazia [Traveling Across Dalmatia] and its chapter Manners of the Morlacchi, dating from 1774, and Ivan Lovric's Biljeske o putu po Dalmaciji opata Alberta Fortisa [Notes on the Journey Across Dalmatia by the Abbot Alberto Fortis] dating from 1776, were the first capital works of this kind of literature. They contained detailed descriptions of the life of the Morlachs and were translated into several European languages. This barbarian people was described with terms such as natural, untouched by civilization and unspoiled, old, original, uneducated and inverted, hospitable, warm, fond of weapons, fatalistically oriented and superstitious. Reading these texts one can learn about the Morlacchian stance towards music, which was part of their everyday lives. The most common founds in these works are descriptions of singing and situations in which there is singing. All the authors emphasized the attitude of the Morlachs towards singing, which they practiced with enthusiasm:

"they sing when they travel, eat, work or speak, you can always hear them singing... traveling by day, and particularly at night, all the Morlachs always sing, but when there are a lot of them together, they usually singing alternately" (Lovric, 1948).

The writers admired the Morlach songs full of lively images and imagination, which had a powerful effect on the souls of listeners. All the writers of that period gained the same impression of this music - a wild and primitive, undefined music style, which could not be compared with the music phenomena they were used to. While Fortis noticed "a unique phenomena of poetry and music" (Fortis, 1984), Yiarte described their music-making as an "amorphous artistic phenomenon" (Yiarte in Dobronic, 1915), Noe's impression was of "something which cannot be described" (Noe in Dobronic, 1915), Petter describes "music different from yodeling and piping" (Petter, 1857), while Carrara "noticed oriental elements" (Carrara 1846) in this mountain folk singing. As a man whose origins were in these areas, Lovric showed a meticulous approach to the singing and music-making of the Morlachs, also describing the behavior of listeners during the performance and their attitude to other musics:

"Their ears - as regards harmony - are organized in such a way that in order to feel comfortable with music they need sound such as that which they have become accustomed to by habit, and this habit has become part of their nature. And the truth of this can be seen in the fact that Italian music of the highest level is boring to them, in just the same way that Morlach music is boring to Italians" (Lovric, 1948).

Lovric also criticized Fortis about his failing "... to notice that some customs are changed" (Lovric,1948). Lovric saw change in many aspects of life, and also recognized the time dimension (then - in olden times, recently - today), claiming that some customs had changed, while others had been "abolished". Besides, Lovric emphasized changes more in the possession aspect than Fortis did - those changes reflect in cultural as well as in social life.

More attention to style and the music traits of singing is given by researchers at the end of the 19th and beginning of the 20th century, although they did not discuss the changes in music forms and music-making during that period.

The Czech researcher and collector, Ludvik Kuba, was the first to annotate chromatic tunes and instrumental melodies from the Dalmatian Hinterland (Kuba, 1899). Kuba differentiated samacko and putnicko - solo singing and two-part male and female singing, characterized by quite clear chromatic intervals, prevailing seconds, unison and minor thirds. Kuba also drew attention to newly-emerging transitional forms in which "all the fog regarding rhythm and periodicity is blown away and an endless trill gives way to a cut-off and full tone" and the appearance of tempered major key singing (Kuba, 1899). Jerko Bezic joined in this opinion (Bezic, 1968) at the end of the 1960s, suggesting the existence of two parallel music worlds, that is, bi-musicality - acceptance of new influences at the same time as the maintenance of the existing manner of music-making.

The term ojkanje which is use for the manner of singing in this region was put forward by the musicologist and composer, Antun Dobronic (1915). According to Dobronic, ojkanje (oykanje) is the "music language" in which "there is no sign of clearly defined intervals" differing from urban music with its "embryonic nature and amorphisms" (Dobronic, 1915) . Ojkanje is the local term for the music type characterized by singing on the vowel o or the oj (oy), aj (ay), or ej (ey) syllables in the manner found in the majority of music genres in this region. Dobronic regarded ojkanje as "untempered singing", suggesting that this manner of singing was "the most primitive phase of our [Croatian] music art" (Dobronic, 1915).

The theory that ojkanje singing is probably pre-Slavic - an Illyrian stratum in traditional music - is also put forward in the work of Cvjetko Rihtman (Rihtman, 1958).