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Cuchulain
Saturday, June 21st, 2008, 04:54 PM
Should it be legal/illegal? Why? Any other thoughts?

I think its pretty gross and pathetic, and its certainly not something that would ever be a part of my life, but I don't think it should be illegal. This is because outlawing it does little to prevent it, therefore none of the goals of outlawing it get accomplished. It also adds to the taxpayers burden while yielding little to no return on investment. I also think if it were legal, the public health risk would be reduced, either because of regulation in a more socialist system, or because of market demand in a more laissez faire situation. Basically its a very similar situation to drugs- its not going away, and its a victimless crime, so we ought to find the best way to cope with it.

Jäger
Saturday, June 21st, 2008, 07:04 PM
Sweden has a high success rate with making prostitution illegal.

Whores get money for delivering nothing of value, thus people who actually don't have the potential to live on their own, get the chance to procreate, this is detrimental to a society that wants autarkic people of strength, not slaves who have to sell themselves to others to survive.

It should be illegal, interestingly enough, during crisis the demand for whores increases, e.g. war, maybe some exceptions need to be put in place.

Cuchulain
Saturday, June 21st, 2008, 07:18 PM
Sweden has a high success rate with making prostitution illegal.

Whores get money for delivering nothing of value.

Certainly their customers value their services. Thats why these transactions take place in the first place.

Wouldn't you agree that sex increases the quality of your life?

Leo
Saturday, June 21st, 2008, 07:37 PM
Sweden’s new prostitution law (criminalizing buyers, not sellers) has reduced street prostitution some. The question is if the law has just pushed it toward internet and illegal bordellos.

I might be wrong on this, but I think social acceptance on using prostitutes is very low Sweden. A good thing! I think these attitudes, and not the law, is what keeps prostitution low in Sweden, compared to some other countries.

Some claim that the law has created more danger for street prostitutes, by reducing the customer base and forcing them to accept dangerous clients.

SwordOfTheVistula
Sunday, June 22nd, 2008, 09:34 AM
Whores get money for delivering nothing of value, thus people who actually don't have the potential to live on their own, get the chance to procreate, this is detrimental to a society that wants autarkic people of strength, not slaves who have to sell themselves to others to survive.

How many prostitutes actually have children, aside from those they have before becoming prostitutes? Eliminating welfare would do far more towards that goal.

Banning prostitution isn't a good idea, and very difficult to enforce.

As far as the overall moral caliber of society goes, I'd rather have a few prostitutes as a designated outlet for men who can't/don't control their sexual urges rather than have them preying on regular girls by getting them drunk and lying to them.

CrystalRose
Sunday, June 22nd, 2008, 10:14 AM
banning prostitution is like the war on drugs. it's never going to end. it generates money into the cities.. it's tolerated to an extent.

Jäger
Sunday, June 22nd, 2008, 11:57 AM
Certainly their customers value their services.
Prostitues don't have to know anything to be prostitutes, that's the crux, they "produce" value out of nothing, the onyl prerequesite for a prostitute is to be a prostitute, such people shouldn't be allowed to accumulate wealth. Which they could use for procreation.


Wouldn't you agree that sex increases the quality of your life?
Certainly not with a whore.


How many prostitutes actually have children, aside from those they have before becoming prostitutes?
Too many, the numbers are not important, the fact is, that they can preocreate, due to a relatively good income.


Eliminating welfare would do far more towards that goal.
Specific welfare has its use, however I agree that prostituion should not be limited to whores, many workers engage in similar relations with their employer, and of course there are enough welfare recipiants that prostitute themselves to the state.


Banning prostitution isn't a good idea, and very difficult to enforce.
Which needs prove, as I said Sweden is a good example.


As far as the overall moral caliber of society goes, I'd rather have a few prostitutes as a designated outlet for men who can't/don't control their sexual urges rather than have them preying on regular girls by getting them drunk and lying to them.
A daring notion to say that men who go to whores, can't control their sex urges, or that whores in anyway halp to relief sex urges so that less rapes would occur, etc.
This needs sometihng to back this claim up.

However, the overall social framework needs to be taken into account as well, banning something is only one part of the deal, prevention is another.

Bärin
Sunday, June 22nd, 2008, 02:22 PM
Ban the whores. If men want sex they should get a girlfriend and they get it for free.

Hanna
Sunday, June 22nd, 2008, 04:12 PM
Ban the whores. If men want sex they should get a girlfriend and they get it for free.

Great use of language.:)

Bärin
Sunday, June 22nd, 2008, 04:18 PM
Great use of language.:)
Right, excuse me for calling them by their names. Would ladies be a better word to use for them? :)

Hanna
Sunday, June 22nd, 2008, 04:21 PM
Right, excuse me for calling them by their names. Would ladies be a better word to use for them? :)

The legal definition is prostitute, which is really fine I think.:D

ladybright
Sunday, June 22nd, 2008, 06:15 PM
I think that if prostitution is to be illegal then the customer should be just as firmly punished as the prostitute and the person in charge (pimp, madam etc) should get more of a punishment. Here it seems that the prostitute is the one who gets in the most trouble.

I do not like the idea of prostitution but think that it should probably be legal. Mandatory health screenings and less fodder for organized crime seem to make it worthwhile. I do not use marijuana(or any other recreational drugs) but this seems to be a similar situation. Something that is not good for you but does not need to be outlawed.

If there is not demand in an area there will be not prostitutes and local ordinances are fine with me as long as they are community supported.

I am not familiar with any prostitutes but have know many people(both male and female) who acted like 'whores' but would have been furious if anyone suggested paying them. I prefer the more precise term for money in exchange for sex acts.

Bärin
Sunday, June 22nd, 2008, 06:22 PM
The legal definition is prostitute, which is really fine I think.:D
I prefer to use the term "whore", it describes them and their behaviour better.

I guess I am just not PC enough for you. :(

Hanna
Sunday, June 22nd, 2008, 06:23 PM
I prefer to use the term "whore", it describes them and their behaviour better.

I guess I am just not PC enough for you. :( Well I didn't say said so, the choice of language definitely up to you.:D

Mrs. Lyfing
Sunday, June 22nd, 2008, 06:52 PM
Common sense tells me it doesn't matter if it is legal or not, I would say don't legalize it because it may cause more women to get involved in that kind of lifestyle. Most prostitutes are not rich and beautiful, they are junkies and skanks...another reason to not legalize it because it brings down the quality of women and leads to other bad paths.

So basically I feel its not going to preserve anything especially there....bodies ;)

ChaosLord
Sunday, June 22nd, 2008, 08:17 PM
I don't see anything good or moral about prostitution, but it should be legal since it is the person's choice if they wish to sell themselves for sexual pleasure. It's one of the oldest known occupations known to man and should be regulated, much like the bunny ranches in Nevada where the ladies are regularly checked for STDs. Those are legal because they're a "professional" environment where they are taxed, unlike the street-walkers we're accustomed to seeing on TV and the like.

DanseMacabre
Monday, June 23rd, 2008, 01:34 AM
I am against prostitution. I put folk before individual choice. Anything that could damage my folk I oppose. Men should find a suitable mate and have sex with her and produce children. As long as they are both intelligent and racially compatable. Then not only could they satisfy their natural urges but contribute to the folk.

Jute
Monday, June 23rd, 2008, 03:07 AM
I am against prostitution. I put folk before individual choice. Anything that could damage my folk I oppose. Men should find a suitable mate and have sex with her and produce children. As long as they are both intelligent and racially compatable. Then not only could they satisfy their natural urges but contribute to the folk.What a wonderful post! Folk Before individual's choice, or put another way, Honor before Hedonism? :)


Friends, besides prostitution humiliating our women, the fact is that carefree sexual thrill with no commitment weakens the individual and harms the People in general. It is the cause of much evil in this world, It breeds hedonism, nihilism, like a drug. Allowing our cities to be overrun with prostitutes is a big endorsement of terrible sexual immorality.

The sexual relationship is sacred in a way, and it should be saved for the intimate other in one's life, with whom we wish to raise a family. Behaving like the raw African sexually is certainly NOT our way. Tacitus tells us that the ancient Germanics valued virtue and chastity highly, were monogomous, and upheld the honor of the People by punishing sexual offences by death.

Scear
Monday, June 23rd, 2008, 03:21 AM
Ban the whores. If men want sex they should get a girlfriend and they get it for free.

Most men who use the services of prostitutes are usually individuals of such poor quality, and so physically undesirable, that they could never attract a decent woman for a legitimate relationship.

Personally, the entire idea of purely recreational sex leaves me cold. I am not a Catholic, but I think the late Pope John Paul II got it right for once when he stated: "that sex without love is an empty experience". And I personally believe Europeans are romantics by nature.

I cannot imagine that a human being could have such a lack of personal dignity and self-worth as to sell their bodies to anyone with a few Euros, Pounds, or Dollars in their pockets. How depressing. I find the idea of prostitution utterly sickening.

A side note? I consider non-working women who hire nannies to raise their children - while they indulge themselves - to be little more than prostitutes with a contract of exclusivity.

*Work would include a paying job, meaningful charity work, or the pursuit of an advanced education or a marketable skill.

*Shopping or pampering yourself at the spa all day with similarly derelict girlfriends while Padma or Rosario looks after your children does not qualify as work.

.Scear

CrystalRose
Monday, June 23rd, 2008, 05:43 AM
Most men who use the services of prostitutes are usually individuals of such poor quality, and so physically undesirable, that they could never attract a decent woman for a legitimate relationship.

Personally, the entire idea of purely recreational sex leaves me cold. I am not a Catholic, but I think the late Pope John Paul II got it right for once when he stated: "that sex without love is an empty experience". And I personally believe Europeans are romantics by nature.

I cannot imagine that a human being could have such a lack of personal dignity and self-worth as to sell their bodies to anyone with a few Euros, Pounds, or Dollars in their pockets. How depressing. I find the idea of prostitution utterly sickening.

A side note? I consider non-working women who hire nannies to raise their children - while they indulge themselves - to be little more than prostitutes with a contract of exclusivity.

*Work would include a paying job, meaningful charity work, or the pursuit of an advanced education or a marketable skill.

*Shopping or pampering yourself at the spa all day with similarly derelict girlfriends while Padma or Rosario looks after your children does not qualify as work.

.Scear


i work with people who come in and have "pain"

me: so how did this injury/pain occur?
client: well, i have to hold my 6 year old around the house who's still nursing.
me: oh, wow! uhh.. :confused:
client: so the nanny is watching the children, so can you fix me, by the way i think i have a tumor. :rolleyes:

Evolved
Monday, June 23rd, 2008, 06:08 AM
Sex for money is a private transaction until you take into account the following factors surrounding prostitution: STDs, drug use, trafficking of underage girls, kidnapping, pimping & abuse. It seems the best compromise is to have legal brothels which are health-inspected by the state with 'services' available in different price ranges, while outlawing street prostitution and imposing heavy fines and jail sentences on those involved in it.

Cuchulain
Monday, June 23rd, 2008, 06:12 AM
I am against prostitution. I put folk before individual choice. Anything that could damage my folk I oppose. Men should find a suitable mate and have sex with her and produce children. As long as they are both intelligent and racially compatable. Then not only could they satisfy their natural urges but contribute to the folk.

But is banning prostitution going to stop it from occurring. History tells us overwhelmingly that it is not, so banning it really won't protect the folk.

SwordOfTheVistula
Monday, June 23rd, 2008, 11:07 AM
Ban the whores. If men want sex they should get a girlfriend and they get it for free.


Men should find a suitable mate and have sex with her and produce children. As long as they are both intelligent and racially compatable. Then not only could they satisfy their natural urges but contribute to the folk.


Most men who use the services of prostitutes are usually individuals of such poor quality, and so physically undesirable, that they could never attract a decent woman for a legitimate relationship.

Personally, the entire idea of purely recreational sex leaves me cold.

Men should be pursuing stable, long term relationships to build families, not chasing women for sexual gratification. Of course, it would be unrealistic to seriously expect all men to follow this, for those seeking just sexual gratification it would be better if they just go to prostitutes than plying normal women with alcohol, drugs, and every scheme they can come up with to get in their pants.




A side note? I consider non-working women who hire nannies to raise their children - while they indulge themselves - to be little more than prostitutes with a contract of exclusivity.

*Work would include a paying job, meaningful charity work, or the pursuit of an advanced education or a marketable skill.

*Shopping or pampering yourself at the spa all day with similarly derelict girlfriends while Padma or Rosario looks after your children does not qualify as work.

.Scear

That just shows how hard it is to draw the line on what is 'prostitution' and what isn't. Is a girl who goes on an expensive 'date' with a guy she doesn't really like that much a 'prostitute'? Women who get married without children at all?

Who's going to keep watch of all this and make the determination?

Bridie
Monday, June 23rd, 2008, 05:44 PM
I don't think it should be illegal. This is because outlawing it does little to prevent it, therefore none of the goals of outlawing it get accomplished. It also adds to the taxpayers burden while yielding little to no return on investment. I also think if it were legal, the public health risk would be reduced, either because of regulation in a more socialist system, or because of market demand in a more laissez faire situation. Basically its a very similar situation to drugs- its not going away, and its a victimless crime, so we ought to find the best way to cope with it.Tell that to the prostitutes' loved ones... tell that to their mothers, fathers, grandparents, brothers, sisters and possibly, their children... Or what's more, try to tell that to the prostitute when she's sober and she can truly grasp the reality of what she has become...

Or perhaps you'd like to tell that to the punters' wives, girlfriends and/or children?



Banning prostitution isn't a good idea, and very difficult to enforce.

it should be legal since it is the person's choice if they wish to sell themselves for sexual pleasure. Yes, you're right. And neither can other degenerative aspects of human psyche, instinct and behaviour be controlled so easily... so I think perhaps we should just legalise, and therefore NORMALISE, anything and everything that people get the urge to do, because surely we can't control them via laws... actually - that makes laws quite redundant, doesn't it? Oh bugger it! Let's just do away with the law altogether... that sounds sensible. ;)

Check list of harmful deviancies to legalise (in the interests of avoiding the development of a black market, you understand :fwink:)...

Prostitution
Recreational drug use
Bestiality
Paedophilia
Terrorism

Did I miss anything?


Men should be pursuing stable, long term relationships to build families, not chasing women for sexual gratification. Of course, it would be unrealistic to seriously expect all men to follow this, for those seeking just sexual gratification it would be better if they just go to prostitutes than plying normal women with alcohol, drugs, and every scheme they can come up with to get in their pants.Yes, we couldn't possibly expect all men to have to behave themselves and take responsibility for their own sexuality (obtain sexual gratification without causing harm to others).... :( That really would be just too much of a burden on the poor dears.

And I suppose we can't expect all men not to want to rob banks... so we'd better provide them with some "robbable" banks. ;) Just the lower socio-economic banks that come from dysfunctional backgrounds of course. No one cares about those banks anyway.

In any case, there are ways to protect "normal" women without having to resort to offering up a certain percentage of the female population to selling their bodies (and their self-respect and very souls). It's called instilling morality, modesty and self-respect into our young girls and putting limits on acceptable social behaviour. (Notice here the solution to poor social behaviour is to put strict limits on it, not do away with limits altogether because people will always fancy behaving badly!)


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Honestly speaking, I've got to say that I find the extremist liberalist opinions around here very disturbing.... since when should laws comply with the "wanton desires" of every Tom, Dick and Harry??? Laws are created and upheld to protect people and families, and to build strong, secure foundations on which a healthy and prosperous civilisation can thrive.

This attitude of "well people really want to do it so they should be allowed to" is really quite damaging to our societies.

Galloglaich
Monday, June 23rd, 2008, 07:37 PM
It should be legal & laissez faire. The way to improve the quality of our folk is by instilling them with proper moral values and letting them decide for themselves, not bringing more government regulation into the mix. Besides, criminalizing moral behavior has shown repeatedly to be ineffective. The reality is that ultimately some people will make bad choices. It is inevitable. Still, how can we expect the quality of the folk to improve if they aren't allowed to make choices? I want our folk to be strong independent of some overarching authority, not some rabble of sheep that only behave as they are told.

Cuchulain
Monday, June 23rd, 2008, 08:29 PM
Tell that to the prostitutes' loved ones... tell that to their mothers, fathers, grandparents, brothers, sisters and possibly, their children... Or what's more, try to tell that to the prostitute when she's sober and she can truly grasp the reality of what she has become...

Or perhaps you'd like to tell that to the punters' wives, girlfriends and/or children?






Yes, you're right. And neither can other degenerative aspects of human psyche, instinct and behaviour be controlled so easily... so I think perhaps we should just legalise, and therefore NORMALISE, anything and everything that people get the urge to do, because surely we can't control them via laws... actually - that makes laws quite redundant, doesn't it? Oh bugger it! Let's just do away with the law altogether... that sounds sensible. ;)

Check list of harmful deviancies to legalise (in the interests of avoiding the development of a black market, you understand :fwink:)...

Prostitution
Recreational drug use
Bestiality
Paedophilia
Terrorism

Did I miss anything?

I'm sure the prostitutes parents are wonderful people. Most hookers come from homes with two hardworking, kind, loving parents who did everything they could to be good parents. If you're going to call the parents victims, keep in mind chances are really good that daddy was molesting her if he was around at all, and mommy was probably drinking a lot and a bit promiscuous herself. Should we prosecute people for cheating on their spouses with un-compensated partners? I'm sure its nearly as devastating. That would be great for society, to have a government organization responsible for keeping track of all of our genitalia. As for the prostitute, if you need a law to tell you that you shouldn't have sex with people for money, I have a hard time believing that that law being in place is going to cause you to become an asset to society. No Law- Hooker, Law- High School Principal...it just doesn't seem to follow.

Prostitution x
Recreational drug use x
Bestiality
Paedophilia
Terrorism (x?)

We could make bestiality legal and spend millions advertising and promoting it, I don't think people would start considering it normal, let alone shagging goats all over the place. Same for Pedophilia. In both of these examples someone is being directly harmed every single time. Not the case with prostitution and recreational drugs, in fact, the banning of such drugs leads to extreme amounts of direct harm through gang warfare, and public health crisis caused by lack of regulating hookers.

As far as terrorism goes, first of all its a ridiculous comparison. I'll have a go though. The real problem on 9-11 was that we failed to telephone the hijackers on the tenth and inform them that what they were going to do was illegal. Had we taken this minor precaution, the whole disaster could have been averted. Also, pretty much all terrorist acts are illegal already to begin with. Hijacking airplanes, killing people, hacking into and disabling computer infrastructure- all of these acts are covered by different laws altogether, illegal whether your considered a terrorist by some panels definition or not. What is a terrorism law, rather than a polished-up hate crime bill anyway, not to mention a basis for other wonderful legislation like the Patriot act.

Hrodnand
Tuesday, June 24th, 2008, 05:31 PM
The fact is that taking a radical change like banning prostitution from one minute to other wouldn't stop the whole "wave" cause its already on such large scale that I dont know honestly what could stop it. If people don't recognize it as a problem, and they don't see it as unhonourable thing, prostitution is not going to dissapear. A propper teaching to children(at a certain age) about honour in life and about the badness of prostitution would probabbly help raise a mentality that would make it dissapear after a while. But understanding the situation is most important, understanding that why is bad and why it should be eradicated. Just making it banned suddenly wont help people to understand the meaning of banning, nor the children, who grow up, seeing it what goes on everyday, that "love can be bought".
Im totally against prostitution and I see it as an act of great dishonour and a lack of morality.

Imperator X
Thursday, June 26th, 2008, 07:42 AM
I think prostitution should be legal, and health checks run by the State. I am angry at the fact that sex has been pidgeon-holed into a dark corner... Sex is all over the place in advertising, and pornography is a wide market, in America at least, we push sex away with one hand while "interfering with ourselves" so to speak with the other. Not to mention we as a culture are repressed and woefully ignorant about the wide spectrum of sexual variation among the human population (fetishes, and so forth).

Sexual expression is an enormous part of who we are as individuals and repression serves only to create unhappiness not only on a profane, but also on a spiritual level.

Prostitutes should function without pimps. Prostitution was and is an acceptable part of Japanese society. In the case of India, during the time of the Kama Sutra advice is given about the taking of public women. Japanese prostitutes were called "goddesses of mercy."

The taking of prostitutes serves as an arena of sexual expression and exploration, and I believe, if undertaken in a safe, sane manner under the right circumstances, should be as much a part of our society as going to a public house for a pint.

Scear
Thursday, June 26th, 2008, 09:49 AM
Men should be pursuing stable, long term relationships to build families, not chasing women for sexual gratification. Of course, it would be unrealistic to seriously expect all men to follow this, for those seeking just sexual gratification it would be better if they just go to prostitutes than plying normal women with alcohol, drugs, and every scheme they can come up with to get in their pants.





That just shows how hard it is to draw the line on what is 'prostitution' and what isn't. Is a girl who goes on an expensive 'date' with a guy she doesn't really like that much a 'prostitute'? Women who get married without children at all?

Who's going to keep watch of all this and make the determination?

I am sure the EU could come up with something.


.Scear

Boche
Thursday, June 26th, 2008, 10:10 AM
I dislike Prostitution because of Morality Issues. Also i think People who need that are poor.

But Prostitution is good because of one Thing. Many Men can't control their Sexual Needs so easy as most can do, also many Men have a hard Way to find a Woman for it. So if they want Sex they can get it whenever they want for Money. I'm sure there would be alot of more Rape-Cases if Prostitution wouldn't exist in a Country.

So i think it should be legal, but it should be also controlled by the State. It should not be on the Street and not controlled by "Pimps".




Gruß,
Boche

Cythraul
Thursday, June 26th, 2008, 10:17 AM
Prostitution is as old as time. It will never stop and so in my view, measures to prevent it are futile. It is even less preventable than drug use and will always find a new darker corner to crawl into wherever it is outlawed. Personally, I find the whole idea pretty repulsive and would never go to a prostitute - despite the fact that many of my friends have done so "for a laugh". I don't find prostitution any more abhorrent than our widespread culture of promiscuity. Buying a girl several drinks, taking her home that night and never seeing her again isn't any more respectable or honourable than conventional prostitution.

Ultimately though, everyone carves their own path through life and develops their own moral compass. I don't really care too much what other people do. I disagree with most things people do - prostitution and promiscuity are merely additions to the list.

Timberwolf
Friday, June 27th, 2008, 05:40 AM
I think it should be illegal but that the punishment should be remedial treatment that reconditions the person and helps develop a sense of self respect in those individuals involved. I think it's a double standard that it's illegal to receive money for sex, but if you receive money to have sex while being filmed, that's legal. :confused:

Scear
Friday, June 27th, 2008, 12:57 PM
I think it should be illegal but that the punishment should be remedial treatment that reconditions the person and helps develop a sense of self respect in those individuals involved. I think it's a double standard that it's illegal to receive money for sex, but if you receive money to have sex while being filmed, that's legal. :confused:

That's a hell of a good point! Western society has many examples of such hypocrisy and double standards. Could it be that one profession is taxable and one is not?
I doubt the government really cares about the moral or social implications of prostitution, so long as the IRS/HMRC got their cut of any revenues generated from such activity.

.Scear

Jute
Sunday, June 29th, 2008, 01:50 AM
I've got to say that I find the extremist liberalist opinions around here very disturbing.... since when should laws comply with the "wanton desires" of every Tom, Dick and Harry??? Laws are created and upheld to protect people and families, and to build strong, secure foundations on which a healthy and prosperous civilisation can thrive.

This attitude of "well people really want to do it so they should be allowed to" is really quite damaging to our societies.This was a good summary. Government endorsment of extreme immorality is one of the worst things. But as others said, it is more important to teach the young to live with honor, or else those laws are like a child standing in the ocean furiously trying to stop a wave from reaching the shore.

Life is much happier when a man refocuses the energy of his lowest desires into higher pursuits; his family, his People [larger family], hard work, kith and kin.

Cuchulain
Sunday, June 29th, 2008, 04:13 PM
I think it should be illegal but that the punishment should be remedial treatment that reconditions the person and helps develop a sense of self respect in those individuals involved. I think it's a double standard that it's illegal to receive money for sex, but if you receive money to have sex while being filmed, that's legal. :confused:

The main difference between being paid to act in pornographic films and being paid to be a street hooker is that in the porn industry, measures such as std screening are taken to reduce the public health risk. As trashy and filthy as one might be inclined to perceive a porn "actor" or "actress" as being, the fact of the matter is that they would be a statistically safer sexual partner than someone would be who was pulled at random from the general population.

Jute
Sunday, June 29th, 2008, 06:08 PM
the fact of the matter is that they [pornographic actors] would be a statistically safer sexual partner than someone would be who was pulled at random from the general population.Safer to avoid disease, but not to avoid corruption of your soul [a much worse disease].

Cuchulain
Sunday, June 29th, 2008, 07:08 PM
Safer to avoid disease, but not to avoid corruption of your soul [a much worse disease].

A good point, but corruption of the soul isn't something that can be controlled by the law. Someone who would be willing to engage in such behavior regardless of its legal status has already had their soul corrupted.

Geribeetus
Sunday, June 29th, 2008, 09:24 PM
But Prostitution is good because of one Thing. Many Men can't control their Sexual Needs so easy as most can do, also many Men have a hard Way to find a Woman for it. So if they want Sex they can get it whenever they want for Money. I'm sure there would be alot of more Rape-Cases if Prostitution wouldn't exist in a Country.



Why should we be trying to appease sub-humans who can't even control themselves?

I am strongly against appeasing and rewarding weaklings and freaks, and even if it is difficult to completely ban prostitution, if I could make life hell for just one person who doesn't deserve to live (either the prostitute and the buyer), I'd gladly do so. :)

If you people are fine with your cities winding up like Amsterdam's red light district, you aren't even worthy of preserving your "culture" of freedom. Islam is preferable to that level of degeneration.

Also, if banning such acts is so "impossible", than why is it done so well in Islamic countries? Perhaps we should take notes.

Jute
Sunday, June 29th, 2008, 09:39 PM
if banning such acts is so "impossible", than why is it done so well in Islamic countries? Perhaps we should take notes.Let us look rather to our own ancestors. What did they do to sexual criminals and degenerates?

According to the histories, the ancient Germanic tribes were honour-minded, monogomous, valuing chastity, and had no tolerance at all for sexual immorality and degeneracy. Those who comitted sexual crimes and sexual degenerates within the tribe were punished by death. Sometimes with horrible punishments before death to dishonour and humiliate him if his offence was very bad (like rape), and never a proper burial.

It is one of the reasons imperial Romans feared crossing the Rhine, because the peoples living there were highly honorable and therefore stronger and fiercer than most of what Rome had become back home.

Aptrgangr
Sunday, June 29th, 2008, 09:42 PM
I am against a ban of prostitution, not because I like it, but because I think as long as noone is physically or psychically is harmed, noone should care about what is done in other peoples' bedrooms.
I am for a strict crack down of organized crime that runs this business though.


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If you people are fine with your cities winding up like Amsterdam's red light district, you aren't even worthy of preserving your "culture" of freedom. Islam is preferable to that level of degeneration.

Also, if banning such acts is so "impossible", than why is it done so well in Islamic countries? Perhaps we should take notes.

You have not looked into the Islamic culture so far - it is the only one that has reached the bottom of the barrel without having implemented liberal-democratic power structures. Not only is prostitution more common in Islamic countries, but most of this business meanwhile is run by Muslim pimps here, and this counts for hetero- as well as homosexual prostitution.

Do you know what a zauedj el mutaa (mutaa marriage) [Sure 24:4] is? It is the Islamic "lust marriage", it is halal for both, Shiites and Sunni Muslims.

As disgusting as our red-light districts are, they are more honest that this Islamic babbling about moral values.

Geribeetus
Sunday, June 29th, 2008, 09:53 PM
Let us look rather to our own ancestors. What did they do to sexual criminals and degenerates?

I merely meant for a modern example of how they enforce such laws, since evidently we need one.


According to the histories, the ancient Germanic tribes were honour-minded, monogomous, valuing chastity, and had no tolerance at all for sexual immorality and degeneracy. Those who comitted sexual crimes and sexual degenerates within the tribe were punished by death. Sometimes with horrible punishments before death to dishonour and humiliate him if his offence was very bad (like rape), and never a proper burial.

All very good, but the issue of enforcement was raised, and evidently people on this forum aren't imaginative enough to know how to do so. Thus, I raised Islam.



I am against a ban of prostitution, not because I like it, but because I think as long as noone is physically or psychically is harmed, noone should care about what is done in other peoples' bedrooms.
I am for a strict crack down of organized crime that runs this business though.

Everyone is harmed. I am harmed by being in proximity with such inferior people. Bad habits and bad morals spread like a disease when they are given tolerance.




You have not looked into the Islamic culture so far - it is the only one that has reached the bottom of the barrel without having implemented liberal-democratic power structures. Not only is prostitution more common in Islamic countries, but most of this business meanwhile is run by Muslim pimps here, and this counts for hetero- as well as homosexual prostitution.

Maybe where you live it is run by Islamics, but you are going to have to provide some proof for the other claim.




Do you know what a zauedj el mutaa (mutaa marriage) [Sure 24:4] is? It is the Islamic "lust marriage", it is halal for both, Shiites and Sunni Muslims.

That isn't prostitution.




As disgusting as our red-light districts are, they are more honest that this Islamic babbling about moral values.

No, I'd rather actively fight perversion than just allow it because we cannot always win 100%. This is something I admire about Islam. It is always vigilant. Hopefully after they conquer us due to our weakness and moral degeneracy they remain as vigilant as they are now. They do more honor to our ancestors with Sharia law than we do with these pathetic, sub-human notions of "Freedom" and "Tolerance".

Aptrgangr
Sunday, June 29th, 2008, 10:08 PM
Everyone is harmed. I am harmed by being in proximity with such inferior people. Bad habits and bad morals spread like a disease when they are given tolerance.
I do not see this as serious harm - men that leave their pregnant wife are much more harmful. Whilst I agree prostitution is immoral I still see no reason to make it a big issue. I surely wouldn't be bothered if it was outlawed anyway, women are lust driven creatures like men are, there is really no need to pay anyone for sex except you are fat and ugly ;)


Maybe where you live it is run by Islamics, but you are going to have to provide some proof for the other claim.
Just visit a Muslim country I'd say.


That isn't prostitution.
No? Marrying and paying a woman for sex for one night and getting divorced by an Imam the next morning is no prostitution? Alright...


No, I'd rather actively fight perversion than just allow it because we cannot always win 100%. This is something I admire about Islam. It is always vigilant. Hopefully after they conquer us due to our weakness and moral degeneracy they remain as vigilant as they are now. They do more honor to our ancestors with Sharia law than we do with these pathetic, sub-human notions of "Freedom" and "Tolerance".
Pest or cholera - nice choice.

Geribeetus
Sunday, June 29th, 2008, 10:25 PM
I do not see this as serious harm - men that leave their pregnant wife are much more harmful.

How is that even relevant?


Whilst I agree prostitution is immoral I still see no reason to make it a big issue. I surely wouldn't be bothered if it was outlawed anyway, women are lust driven creatures like men are, there is really no need to pay anyone for sex except you are fat and ugly ;)

Men and women are only lust driven creatures these days, at their very lowest point. Again, if that is all Germanics have ever amounted to, they have absolutely no reason to be preserved, but have plenty of reason to go extinct.


Just visit a Muslim country I'd say.

We both know that is quite out of the question, since there don't seem to be any on the continent on which I reside, why don't you go ahead and give me some proof instead. :)


No? Marrying and paying a woman for sex for one night and getting divorced by an Imam the next morning is no prostitution? Alright...

As far as I know that is just a Shia practice (and I doubt it is at all wide-spread), and even so it requires certain initiatory practices. One also can't simply walk into a mosque and pick out someone to marry for the night. One would assume a relationship would have existed some time prior. Not prostitution.


Pest or cholera - nice choice.

It is more than a pest, it is a pestilence. And it isn't the only one bread by this materialistic Laissez-faire idea towards morality and proper behavior. So is miscegenation, drug-abuse, homosexuality, tolerance and every other modern degeneracy. That definitely isn't worth preserving, it is worth destruction. Hopefully it is us doing the destroying though, not the Muslims who will succeed us if we don't.

You people just can't seem to connect the dots. You take multiculturalism as one disease and prostitution as another. You see homosexuality as natural but not miscegenation? Give me a ****ing break.

TheGreatest
Tuesday, July 1st, 2008, 01:07 PM
Historically, wasn't prostitution done by women in peculier circumstances? I think a lot of prostitutes (today) are more than capable of making a living outside of the sex trade, most are simply just doing it for the large amount of money or refusing to commit to a 8x5 job.

Patrioten
Tuesday, July 1st, 2008, 01:50 PM
It is a degrading business, not just for the individual but for the family. Imagine your own sister or some other close female relative, whoring herself out to strangers for money. To have the state santion and condone such behaviour, to me that is unacceptable. We have way too little of family honor and family involvement (of the non-muslim kind) left in our culture. As far as I am concerned, you do not simply have a responsibility towards yourself, but also to your family. You should lead a life that honors your ancestors and your family name. To engage in immoral acts like prostitution is like spitting on your heritage and your ancestors.

Ossi
Tuesday, July 1st, 2008, 01:55 PM
Illegal. I prefer to have sex with my girlfriend who is clean and hasn't slept with 100 other "clients" and put her mouth hell knows where. Whores are disgusting and oftentimes dirty junkies too. Besides, what kind of man needs a prostitute? If you have to pay someone for sex, something must be wrong with you. You are either unable to get a woman, or you're a disgusting pervert who wants to engage in sadistic games.

Flash Voyager
Tuesday, July 1st, 2008, 02:11 PM
It can be decreased but no law will prevent it from happening, as long as sexual urges exist prostitution will exist.

Aptrgangr
Tuesday, July 1st, 2008, 10:32 PM
How is that even relevant?
What harms society more - men that pay for a prostitute or men that leave their families?


Men and women are only lust driven creatures these days, at their very lowest point.
I agree, that's why I said organized crime must be fought. This must go hand in hand with a better education.


Again, if that is all Germanics have ever amounted to, they have absolutely no reason to be preserved, but have plenty of reason to go extinct.
Agreed.


We both know that is quite out of the question, since there don't seem to be any on the continent on which I reside, why don't you go ahead and give me some proof instead. :)

Proof for what? Saudi-Arabia banned single women from Europe to travel there, the main reason for Turkish private housholds to be in debts is prostitution. I suggest you have a look at what is happening outside the woods of your continent.


As far as I know that is just a Shia practice (and I doubt it is at all wide-spread), and even so it requires certain initiatory practices. One also can't simply walk into a mosque and pick out someone to marry for the night. One would assume a relationship would have existed some time prior. Not prostitution.
It is not limited to Shiites and it is spreading. The fact alone it is allowed is very immoral. And it is prostitution.


It is more than a pest, it is a pestilence. And it isn't the only one bread by this materialistic Laissez-faire idea towards morality and proper behavior. So is miscegenation, drug-abuse, homosexuality, tolerance and every other modern degeneracy. That definitely isn't worth preserving, it is worth destruction. Hopefully it is us doing the destroying though, not the Muslims who will succeed us if we don't.
Currently it looks they will succeed in destroying liberal-democracy, but, of course, their rule won't be any improvment.


You people just can't seem to connect the dots. You take multiculturalism as one disease and prostitution as another. You see homosexuality as natural but not miscegenation? Give me a ****ing break.
Whre did I say that about homosexuality?

Jäger
Wednesday, July 2nd, 2008, 09:56 PM
What harms society more - men that pay for a prostitute or men that leave their families?
Still, how is this relevant in regard to whether men paying for whores are harmful or not?
You should answer this question instead of just posing another one.


Proof for what?
For your claims.


Saudi-Arabia banned single women from Europe to travel there, the main reason for Turkish private housholds to be in debts is prostitution. I suggest you have a look at what is happening outside the woods of your continent.
In Tukdabidabi somewhere in the Congo, the apple falls from the bottom to tree tops, go there and have a look for yourself.


Currently it looks they will succeed in destroying liberal-democracy, but, of course, their rule won't be any improvment.
It will be a major improvement, that it still won't be good is a problem though.

Aptrgangr
Wednesday, July 2nd, 2008, 10:18 PM
Still, how is this relevant in regard to whether men paying for whores are harmful or not?
A man wasting money for a hooker does neither harm me, any children or society much - men leaving their pregant wifes, wifes with kids etc. cause deep problems. In my opinion it is duty to fix this problem with priority, and not the minor problem of prostitution, which, BTW, was strongly supported by the NS regime - like being single mom was promoted too (Lebensborn).


You should answer this question instead of just posing another one.
Since when is it your problem what I do? I do not see it as my duty to type things for ignorant people all day - I had elaborated my views about this issue earlier.


For your claims.
So which claim do you which to be proven exactly? I mean, I am a bit too lazy to proove earth isn't flat - I am a step further, I take it for granted some basic knowlegde is known.


In Tukdabidabi somewhere in the Congo, the apple falls from the bottom to tree tops, go there and have a look for yourself.
No thanks, firstly I think negoes lack apples and it would be unfair to eat theirs - secondly my aunt has a big garden with apple trees, I`ll pluck some there - yum.


It will be a major improvement, that it still won't be good is a problem though.
A major improvement but not good? O-kay...

Jäger
Thursday, July 3rd, 2008, 07:46 PM
A man wasting money for a hooker does neither harm me, any children or society much
Still, it does.


.. and not the minor problem of prostitution, which, BTW, was strongly supported by the NS regime
Roughly 30.000 hookers came into the KZ, but it is true that brothels were supported, to fight street prostitution.


like being single mom was promoted too (Lebensborn).
Not single moms, Lebensborn took illegitimate children and gave them free for adoption.


Since when is it your problem what I do?
No worries, I will get over it.


I do not see it as my duty to type things for ignorant people all day - I had elaborated my views about this issue earlier.
If you don't want to repeat it, say you don't want to repeat it, but instead you try rhetoric tricks, very telling.


So which claim do you which to be proven exactly?
That most prostitution institutions (incl. homosexual prostitution) are mostly run by Muslims here, and that it is more common in Muslim countries.
The same proof Geribeetus asked for.


I mean, I am a bit too lazy to proove earth isn't flat - I am a step further, I take it for granted some basic knowlegde is known.
That's okay, but if you want to convince someone through a discussion, you should be able to tell if he asks, instead of demanding from him to collect the proof for himself.


No thanks, firstly I think negoes lack apples and it would be unfair to eat theirs - secondly my aunt has a big garden with apple trees, I`ll pluck some there - yum.
I suggest you have a look at what is happening outside the woods of your continent.


A major improvement but not good? O-kay...
Oky doky.

Aptrgangr
Thursday, July 3rd, 2008, 09:09 PM
Still, it does.
How does it besides the fact it is immoral?


Roughly 30.000 hookers came into the KZ, but it is true that brothels were supported, to fight street prostitution.
There were brothels for the Wehrmacht too.


Not single moms, Lebensborn took illegitimate children and gave them free for adoption.
Single moms of "good genetical quality" were encouraged to give birth to children out of the wedlock.


No worries, I will get over it.
It doesn't look like that....


If you don't want to repeat it, say you don't want to repeat it, but instead you try rhetoric tricks, very telling.
What rhetoric tricks?
Is it so difficult to make an own research?


That most prostitution institutions (incl. homosexual prostitution) are mostly run by Muslims here,
Yes, Jews have lost their monopoly decades ago.
Maybe you read a little bit:
http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=Stra%C3%9Fenstrich+T%C3%BCrken&meta=

http://www.queerfilmfestival.de/archiv/1999slff/fr.htm


and that it is more common in Muslim countries.
The same proof Geribeetus asked for.
http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=prostitution+islamisches+Umfeld&meta=

http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=gay+prostitution+Muslim&meta=

http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=Iran+males+%22homosexual+experiences%2 2&meta=

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2372/is_n3_v35/ai_21123366

http://afghanprofile.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=96&Itemid=42

The reasons why homosexuality is more common there are following: First of all the seperation of genders and secondly the tradition. The Turkish Sultan having conquered Byzanz not only added the daughter but also the son of the Byzantine Emperor to is harem. Turkish steam bathes are a popular meeting point for those interested in homosexual adventures.

http://www.globalgayz.com/Muslimgay-news98-02.html

http://www.lsvd.de/bund/binats/koran.html

http://www.swr.de/islam/lexikon/-/id=1550022/nid=1550022/did=1551458/1pfhof8/index.html

http://www.delidivane.de/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1710

http://www.gaytoday.com/interview/080102in.asp

http://www.brandeis.edu/projects/fse/Pages/femalehomosexuality.html

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=59d_1195691396

http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=b72_1175392726



That's okay, but if you want to convince someone through a discussion, you should be able to tell if he asks, instead of demanding from him to collect the proof for himself.
Well, such claims like "Muta'a marriage is no prostitution" made me come to the conclusion no serious debate was desired. Actually Islam sponsors prostitution, which is extremely filthy in my eyes especially because Muslims play the "morale card" this often. BTW - in Arabic a "manjik" is the man who takes the "female position" in the homosexual act - I can't remember of a similar description here. It was the British colonial administration that brought anti-sodomy laws to Muslim countries in the 19th century.

http://atheism.about.com/b/2004/06/01/gay-and-muslim.htm

http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=mutaa&meta=

http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=groom+white+girls&meta=


I suggest you have a look at what is happening outside the woods of your continent.
The one who is in the house of glass...


Oky doky.
Was this now a rhetoric trick?

Nachtengel
Sunday, June 14th, 2009, 04:36 PM
I believe it should be legal. If an adult wants to sell his/her "services" for money, it's his business and his/her client's. There are other industries where people make money from displaying their bodies. Modeling, striptease, circus freak shows, etc. There should be a legal age of 18 or 21 for prostitution. There should also be a legal age of 18 or 21 for clients. Interracial prostitution should be illegal however.

Zimobog
Sunday, June 14th, 2009, 06:36 PM
I said "other".

I come from the great American democracy, where the most successful whores are admired, photographed, and worshipped. Some call them "actors" or "stars". The real damage to average society is that such immoral people are looked up to and have their opinions sought out and mimiced by common people and our elected "leaders".

Look how many "stars" have trotted in and out of our White House. The leader of France is married to a professional woman also. There is something wrong when your leader is taking Mick Jagger's castaways and everyone has seen naked pictures of your first lady!

Some is wrong with that.

Look at how they have brought us gay "marriage", gender confusion, intergration, pacifism, divorce...

Also, I think that governments who would spend time hiding under free citizens beds could do alot more damage to us than could a few crusty prostitutes.

Siebenbürgerin
Sunday, June 14th, 2009, 07:00 PM
It shouldn't be legal. Because prostitution isn't a job like any other, it's a pervertion. I'd be horrified to go to the job fair and see prostitute on the list. :thumbdown

Hrodnand
Sunday, June 14th, 2009, 07:38 PM
I believe it should be legal. If an adult wants to sell his/her "services" for money, it's his business and his/her client's. There are other industries where people make money from displaying their bodies. Modeling, striptease, circus freak shows, etc. There should be a legal age of 18 or 21 for prostitution. There should also be a legal age of 18 or 21 for clients. Interracial prostitution should be illegal however.

So it's ok to have germanic whores and sluts but it isn't to let them have alien clients? :hrm
I don't think we should be tolerant with people who sell their body, neither with the similar industries who use the human body as a mean to gain profit on "beauty". Sexuality or beauty is not a service nor a show. :thumbdown

Nachtengel
Sunday, June 14th, 2009, 07:55 PM
So it's ok to have germanic whores and sluts but it isn't to let them have alien clients? :hrm
Yes. Interracial sex brings whites no benefit.


I don't think we should be tolerant with people who sell their body, neither with the similar industries who use the human body as a mean to gain profit on "beauty". Sexuality or beauty is not a service nor a show. :thumbdown
So no to modeling? No to acting? It's not the most honorable way to make money, and I certainly wouldn't do it or allow a daughter to do it if I had one, but sex is not limited to love. Sex is a also pleasure, and has been for millennia. Sex was used as a method of obtaining services and payment for a long time. It's present in some industries, as Zimobog mentioned. So why not be honest about it? It doesn't affect you or me in the least if a Germanic whore makes a money in exchange for sex transaction.

Hrodnand
Sunday, June 14th, 2009, 08:24 PM
Yes. Interracial sex brings whites no benefit.

Neither does intra-germanic-prostitution.





So no to modeling? No to acting?

Exactly, at least in porn-industry and in similar areas. What modeling serves for is to create a slutty "hot" ideal that is followed by society, especially the young so that in the end we can have women and teenagers who dress and act like sluts and people with filled pockets on them. I don't think thats OK.




but sex is not limited to love.

In my opinion it should be more or less the two sides of the same coin.




Sex is a also pleasure, and has been for millennia. Sex was used as a method of obtaining services and payment for a long time.

It has been for the romans in their hot houses, then the french and then among the aristocracy of various nations to have "maids of honour". It's unworthy and slutty to me.



It's present in some industries, as Zimobog mentioned. So why not be honest about it? It doesn't affect you or me in the least if a Germanic whore makes a money in exchange for sex transaction.

Ach it wont affect us for sure, but it will affect the future generations and their mentality. Just look at the past decades of sexual revolution, what was it good for? To have a good and rich porn industry and to have slutty behavior as an accepted fashion (among others).

slickfifty
Tuesday, June 16th, 2009, 08:19 PM
Just weighing in my two cents:

Prostitution is victimless, if properly done. Medical screenings, condoms, and elimination of pimps is paramount.

As far as the comments that there is no value, clearly there is value based on the exchange of value provided (the fee). It is no less than the value added for food at a restaurant or a therapeutic massage.

Ossi
Wednesday, June 17th, 2009, 02:10 AM
As far as the comments that there is no value, clearly there is value based on the exchange of value provided (the fee). It is no less than the value added for food at a restaurant or a therapeutic massage.
LOL. Comparing sex with whores with food or therapeutic massage. When has this place become so bloody liberal? :oanieyes

Freja_se
Wednesday, June 17th, 2009, 02:28 AM
50% in favour of legal prostitution? I'm surprised to see such high figures.

I am against it since I think it damages women's physical and mental health and since it exploits women who are vulnerable, sick, addicts etc. There is also criminality linked to prostitution such as trafficking of women who become slaves in the prostitution trade.

To just say we should accept it since it has always been there is just as wrong as saying we must accept murder and rape since it has always been there. Certain things are just not acceptable.

Poupoune
Friday, July 24th, 2009, 03:59 PM
We must not forget we are some kind of animal, living with some strong pulsions, and prostitution can limits them by reducing the number of rapes. West Indians would remember it...

Old Winter
Friday, July 24th, 2009, 04:25 PM
1: Use your right hand.

2: Most rapes are done by none-white immigrants, who are also the majority of prostitute visitors, the prostitute places here in the Netherlands are always filed with negro's and married muslim men, so they both rape and go to the prostitutes, best thing is too kick them all out if you want to reduce rape.

Theodoric
Friday, July 24th, 2009, 04:42 PM
We must not forget we are some kind of animal, living with some strong pulsions, and prostitution can limits them by reducing the number of rapes. West Indians would remember it...

Animals are ruled by instincts, they are completely bound to the Gods;
Humans are able to see the Gods, understand them, and live in harmony with them.
Sub-Humans just doesn't have the sensibility and moral strenght to see the Gods, that's why there are two ways for them : hating the Gods, considering them as ennemies or inexistant; or being slave of Gods that they cannot see and "talk" with.

That's why I totaly disagree with you. The pulsions we have are part of us (we can find them in the 9 worlds of the mythology), but the real nordic man has to be FREE and equilibrated.Those pulsions have to be a canalized power and not a malediction.
And to be free, means not be bound by ambient moral, thats true, but it also means not be bound by our pulsions.
Some people, expecially nowadays (new age hippies and wiccans), think that doing everything they "want" and living in a decadent way, shows that you are free. But just ask them who controlls their life ? Them as free men, or their pulsions??
The free man can say no, or yes, but allways has the choice to see what is better for his own harmony, the social harmony of his clan, and the harmony of the nature.

For me prostitution is a really bad thing, aswell as rapes. Prostitution is just a commercial rape.
And I think it's really grave for a girl to say "prostitution can limits them by reducing the number of rapes.". It just means : "i'm ok for prostitution because it reduces the possibility for me to be raped one day, and I don"t care if someone of my race is living as a sex slave!". Just think that it could have been you !

What reduces the number of rapes is a real doctrine of Treue und Ehre with the justice it needs for those who aren't the law, for those who need a law to live in a decent way.


1: Use your right hand.

2: Most rapes are done by none-white immigrants, who are also the majority of prostitute visitors, the prostitute places here in the Netherlands are always filed with negro's and married muslim men, so they both rape and go to the prostitutes, best thing is too kick them all out if you want to reduce rape.

I agree :D
Going to prostitutes starts from the same thought as raping a woman. Prostitutes are a commercial raping institution for people who need to rape but fear the consequences, or don't have the courage to do it.. It's the same thing for exemple if there was a way to pay to have the right to kill someone or torture him without risking to go in prison or to have bad consequences with the family of the person (oh sorry, it allready exist, some people buy the justice).
And seriously, for the people who really can't hold their pulsions, aren't there plenty of gratis sluts in the discos etc ??
Oh I forgot, people who go to prostitutes are loosers.

Catterick
Saturday, December 10th, 2016, 10:46 AM
I doubt our pre-christian ancestors ever banned sex work and contrary to modern belief the Church ran red light districts. Though the Catholics were less enthusiastic than the Hindus who believe that which brings pleasure must be at least partly good. This Hindu position is also what I believe.

SpearBrave
Saturday, December 10th, 2016, 11:24 AM
They say prostitution is the oldest profession.

There are good arguments on both sides of this debate, but the fact is laws will never stop prostitution, it will always go on.

Wulfaz
Saturday, December 10th, 2016, 02:17 PM
In Austria-Hungariy in the 19th century the prostution and the brothels were legal, but they were often controlled by the doctors of authority and the prostitutes got paper about own uninfection.

I think this way of prostitution was more cultural than the nowadays Hungary where the prustiution banned, hence they girls stay in the edge of the road or they work in hidden brothels with how knows wich kind of infections.

Wel,, with the Globalist-Liberalismus the morality of the younger, high school or university people has becomen lower and lower in the place of sexuality, hence a man how want to do it, he just shall go to a disco and get an university student. This is bad to the prostitution. Cheap sex (some cocktail) for the men whos want sex. And bad for the students that they have becomen free whore.

Modie
Monday, January 30th, 2017, 01:28 PM
Not my cup of tea personally. I think it's more harmful for society in general and marriage particularly.

notheywillnot
Thursday, February 2nd, 2017, 12:23 AM
In my humblest opinion it should be illegal. It's most likely most women who prostitute themselves do it for financial reasons since for many it's their last resort. Prostitution is also very harmful and dangerous for women; prostitutes being one of the most common victims of homicide. It's also argued that even if they were to be tested for HIV they could be infected with it before it can be detected.

Almost every aspect of legalising prostitution is widely debated but as a whole the institution of prostitution is evil.

Wuotans Krieger
Friday, November 23rd, 2018, 07:04 PM
Ban the whores. If men want sex they should get a girlfriend and they get it for free.

I disagree. A whore does not require expensive gifts-just a negotiated fee. It is certainly cheaper than marriage and in my opinion a more honest arrangement.

Finnish Swede
Friday, November 23rd, 2018, 08:12 PM
I disagree. A whore does not require expensive gifts-just a negotiated fee. It is certainly cheaper than marriage and in my opinion a more honest arrangement.

''Agree'' => lets only castrate the customers.

Gareth Lee Hunter
Friday, November 23rd, 2018, 08:52 PM
Prostitution is legal. Surely you've heard about gold diggers and trophy wives. :-O

Wuotans Krieger
Friday, November 23rd, 2018, 11:05 PM
''Agree'' => lets only castrate the customers.

Why would you suggest that? What transaction occurs between a whore and their customer is a private matter that need not and indeed should not concern anyone else.

Gareth Lee Hunter
Friday, November 23rd, 2018, 11:44 PM
Why would you suggest that? What transaction occurs between a whore and their customer is a private matter that need not and indeed should not concern anyone else.

Aw, don't mind FS. She's just the local brat, er, "firecracker". :D

Finnish Swede
Saturday, November 24th, 2018, 12:36 AM
Why would you suggest that? What transaction occurs between a whore and their customer is a private matter that need not and indeed should not concern anyone else.

Nah, if we moralize humans (like men here tends to do ... even pretty often ... what comes to women)....then that would be one thing .... to moralize very deeply.

Private or not ....

J.Yaxley
Saturday, November 24th, 2018, 12:50 AM
@Finnish Swede, castrating men for hiring prostitutes would be akin to cutting off a girl's breasts for pickpocketing a tube of lipstick. The core essence of Western Law is proportionality - you don't go around lopping off body parts when someone commits a minor offense.

Finnish Swede
Saturday, November 24th, 2018, 01:34 AM
@Finnish Swede, castrating men for hiring prostitutes would be akin to cutting off a girl's breasts for pickpocketing a tube of lipstick.

Not really. Maybe cheating his husband with another man would be something like that.

Now .... how those kind of women are called here :chinrub ?

LillyCaterina
Saturday, November 24th, 2018, 01:43 AM
Not really. Maybe cheating his husband with another man would be something like that.

Now .... how those kind of women are called here :chinrub ?

I think you're referring to what is called an adultress. Meaning a woman who cheats on her husband.

Why do advocate mutilation as a form of punishment?

Finnish Swede
Saturday, November 24th, 2018, 01:48 AM
I think you're referring to what is called an adultress. Meaning a woman who cheats on her husband.

Why do advocate mutilation as a form of punishment?


Just to point out .... it is not a small thing. Oh, of course not like that in real life.

I'm just full of double morals of some men. It is so easy to say how women should live and then the same guys lives like shit ... by themselves ... and feels that it is just fine.

LillyCaterina
Saturday, November 24th, 2018, 01:52 AM
Just to point out .... it is not a small thing. Oh, of course not like that in real life.

I'm just full of double morals of some men. It is so easy to say how women should live and then the same guys lives like shit ... by themselves ... and feels that it is just fine.

Oh, okay. Now I understand you. :)

No. I hold men to the same standards as women in that respect. There should be no double standard.

Wuotans Krieger
Saturday, November 24th, 2018, 12:29 PM
Nah, if we moralize humans (like men here tends to do ... even pretty often ... what comes to women)....then that would be one thing .... to moralize very deeply.

Private or not ....

As a heathen I do not 'moralise' in the sense that you probably mean it. I do however believe in the concept of honour. I would not use a whore myself but I would not seek to impose my standards on another man. In the words of Erol Flynn: "Let no man make laws for me!"

Alice
Monday, September 23rd, 2019, 04:51 PM
I am against it since I think it damages women's physical and mental health and since it exploits women who are vulnerable, sick, addicts etc. There is also criminality linked to prostitution such as trafficking of women who become slaves in the prostitution trade.

To just say we should accept it since it has always been there is just as wrong as saying we must accept murder and rape since it has always been there. Certain things are just not acceptable.


In my humblest opinion it should be illegal. It's most likely most women who prostitute themselves do it for financial reasons since for many it's their last resort. Prostitution is also very harmful and dangerous for women; prostitutes being one of the most common victims of homicide. It's also argued that even if they were to be tested for HIV they could be infected with it before it can be detected.

Almost every aspect of legalising prostitution is widely debated but as a whole the institution of prostitution is evil.

These two posters basically sum up what I feel to be true. It's not just the prostitutes themselves who suffer, because buying sex from prostitutes doesn't solve the issues that arise from loneliness, frustration or a lack of relationships. The clients undoubtedly have deep-seated problems, and they need to find other ways of dealing with personal needs. The solution involves more than social condemnation, in my opinion.

SaxonPagan
Monday, September 23rd, 2019, 05:50 PM
I have no problem with prostitutes.

They don't bother me and I don't feel threatened by them in any way.

Gareth Lee Hunter
Monday, September 23rd, 2019, 07:30 PM
No. I do not want prostitution, drugs, gambling, or any other illicit practice legalized, especially in my area of residence.

It's demoralizing enough to have to contend with miscegenation, homosexuality, feminism, and other forms of legalized social poison these days.

SaxonPagan
Monday, September 23rd, 2019, 08:44 PM
Here (https://listverse.com/2016/05/03/10-facts-about-prostitution-in-the-victorian-era/) is a good article about prostitution in Victorian England.

I've only pasted the introduction but the rest is also well worth a read!


While history books and romantic novels from England’s Victorian Era depict people as being very uptight, there were actually more brothels than there were schools. It is estimated that roughly 80,000 women were working as prostitutes in London alone, which reveals how sex-obsessed the culture truly was. Prostitutes were called “fallen women,” because they were seen as an example of what fine, upstanding women in society should never become. However, prostitution was legal and even encouraged in many circles, because it was believed that men needed an outlet for the sexual desires that they were forced to repress in their daily lives. It also allowed many women opportunities to earn wages that they could have never have earned otherwise.

Víðálfr
Monday, September 23rd, 2019, 10:09 PM
I have a question, first of all... Are/ were courtesans also some sort of prostitutes?

Because I've seen the movie Dangerous Beauty and it really impressed me... I watched it more than once and I recommend it, I think it is worth watching...


https://youtu.be/xYu37jF0d3c

They say the movie is based on a real story... they also say in the movie that these women were the most educated... And while the main character, Veronica, really impressed me, I wouldn't see myself doing this (I mean 'sleeping' with so many)...

A similar story is depicted in the movie Kama Sutra: A tale of love. This one is obviously from another culture, from India, but it's interesting to see that there is a whole philosophy behind this, and being a courtesan is seen as a form of art.

Both movies made me think... both movies really impressed me (the love story in both of them, and the personality of the main character in the first movie)... and I was thinking, if I was living in that time and age, and if I was in a similar situation to Veronica, what would I have done? I don't know... But in this time and age, I prefer to not 'sleep' with anyone, if I cannot do it with the one I love... In this time and age we women have more possibilities, more freedom of choice, but some centuries ago... or even today, in some societies... there weren't as many options...

Is there anything like this, like courtesans, in any Germanic culture, too? One movie presents Venice, and the other one India... but what about Germanic peoples? I am blank about such things... :angel

Hersir
Monday, September 23rd, 2019, 10:15 PM
Is there anything like this, like courtesans, in any Germanic culture, too? One movie presents Venice, and the other one India... but what about Germanic peoples? I am blank about such things... :angel


For Scandinavia: https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frille

Having mistresses has always been common for powerful men.

Finnish Swede
Monday, September 23rd, 2019, 10:39 PM
Here (https://listverse.com/2016/05/03/10-facts-about-prostitution-in-the-victorian-era/) is a good article about prostitution in Victorian England.

Never understand ideas why somebodies should adore Victorian England.

SaxonPagan
Monday, September 23rd, 2019, 10:40 PM
Having mistresses has always been common for powerful men.

That's true, and it was the overwhelming rule rather than the exception.

I suspect it was fairly widespread amongst the general population too but there were no books written about ordinary people.

Víðálfr
Monday, September 23rd, 2019, 10:55 PM
For Scandinavia: https://no.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frille

Having mistresses has always been common for powerful men.
Thanks for the information! ;)

It seems to me that viewing such practices as 'evil' is a Christian thing, while in pre-Christian/ heathen times, things were a bit different...

Also, from SaxonPagan's article:


There were also places called reformatories (http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/vwwp/view?docId=VAB7159&doc.view=print), which aimed to rehabilitate fallen women. These were often run by religious groups. The attitudes of the people who ran the reformatories was that prostitutes acted out on their own selfish desires.
In many ways, living in a reformatory was worse than jail. They required women to stay for a minimum of two years to ensure that they were “cured.” Women were also required to show a deep sense of self-hatred for their evil actions and a desire for forgiveness from God for their sins in order to qualify for housing. Reformatories required women to wake up at 5:00 AM, pray four times per day, attend religious services twice a day, work hard labor, and be locked in their bedrooms by 8:00 PM.
Yeah, 'witchcraft'... 'Holy' Inquisition... :oanieyes

By the way, many say that Mary Magdalene was also a prostitute... but according to other sources she was actually the lover of Jesus, and all the spiritual powers Jesus obtained were because of her, Mary Magdalene being an initiated women, initiated into secret sexual practices that allowed Jesus to become what he became... Somewhere in between, other sources say that Mary Magdalene was, in any case, the most important 'follower' of Jesus...

I am not a Christian, obviously, and from what I read I also tend to think that Mary Magdalene, if all those stories about Jesus are true, was rather the lover of Jesus, than what they officially say now that she was... The story of she being merely a prostitute and a 'fallen woman' is very appealing for what the Christian Church has become over time... but the mere truth might be very different from the official version...

SaxonPagan
Monday, September 23rd, 2019, 11:10 PM
Finnish Swede: Never understand ideas why somebodies should adore Victorian England.

Because Britain, as a nation, thrived during this period (which included the Industrial Revolution) and greatly increased her wealth and international prestige despite all of the social squalor.

There are some who look at our military victories, such as the Crimean War and the Boer War, and others who look at the appalling hardship endured by the working class. It all depends which angle you take.


Víðálfr: Also, from SaxonPagan's article:

There were also places called reformatories, which aimed to rehabilitate fallen women. These were often run by religious groups. The attitudes of the people who ran the reformatories was that prostitutes acted out on their own selfish desires.
In many ways, living in a reformatory was worse than jail. They required women to stay for a minimum of two years to ensure that they were “cured.” Women were also required to show a deep sense of self-hatred for their evil actions and a desire for forgiveness from God for their sins in order to qualify for housing. Reformatories required women to wake up at 5:00 AM, pray four times per day, attend religious services twice a day, work hard labor, and be locked in their bedrooms by 8:00 PM.

You know, when I read stuff like this ^ I'm tempted to conclude that brothels are far more useful places than churches.

They certainly do less harm and I'd much prefer 'fallen women' any day to the religious bigots who ran the institutions described above.

Teutone
Friday, September 27th, 2019, 06:15 PM
I get that people do it, if legal or not.

But if its illegal, there is a at least the possibility of punishment and consequences.

Wolgadeutscher
Friday, September 27th, 2019, 08:31 PM
By the way, many say that Mary Magdalene was also a prostitute..
There are several stories about prostitutes and adulterous women in the Bible, however all these women had something in common: they repented and turned away from their sins. Jesus sends away the adulterous woman who was about to be stoned and forgives her, but also tells her "go and sin no more." Prostitution is a sin, and while any fallen woman can be rehabilitated, unrepentant engagement in this practice should not be encouraged, particularly in a healthy Germanic society. Prostitution goes hand in hand with adultery and sexual promiscuity, which are both individualistic, anti-traditional family practices.

Gefjon
Friday, September 27th, 2019, 08:39 PM
Far too many prudes on here IMO. Prostitution is the world oldest profession and ya simply can't stop it. Folks will always use sex as currency, even if you criminalize it. It's always been this way, a business like any other. Who are you to moralize to other folks how they should conduct their business like? For some folks, their body/sexuality is their greatest asset, and they know how to capitalize on it. That and, where are ya gonna draw the line? What about strippers, escorts, sugar babies, cam models, hotline workers and the like? They don't engage in sexual intercourse with their clients, but still use their bodies/sexuality in their line of work. IMO if you're gonna criminalize that kinda thing, you might as well criminalize modeling as well, since folks also capitalize on their bodies. Cmon.

Bärin
Friday, September 27th, 2019, 09:02 PM
It's not only "religious bigots" who are opposed to prostitution. I'm an atheist, and I believe prostitution should be illegal for many different reasons. First of all, the state should be an expression of the nation and hence the state can't legalize and condone dubious, degenerate practices which damage the nation as a collective. The liberal, individualistic urges and needs of the whores and their clients are less important than the health of the nation and especially the basic unit which forms the nation which is the family. Whores are serial homewreckers and on the same level with faggots and other sexual degenerates. I have no sympathy for them, and just because prostitution is "the oldest profession in the world" doesn't mean that it should be accepted. What kind of argument is that? Shall we also accept abortion of perfectly healthy Germanic babies, just because it has always happened and women might do it in back alleys? I don't think so. Until we reverse the effects of the sexual liberation, our nations will continue to decline. The liberal, individualistic cancer needs to be cut from the root, as the saying goes.

Teutone
Friday, September 27th, 2019, 09:05 PM
Far too many prudes on here IMO. Prostitution is the world oldest profession and ya simply can't stop it. Folks will always use sex as currency, even if you criminalize it. It's always been this way, a business like any other. Who are you to moralize to other folks how they should conduct their business like? For some folks, their body/sexuality is their greatest asset, and they know how to capitalize on it. That and, where are ya gonna draw the line? What about strippers, escorts, sugar babies, cam models, hotline workers and the like? They don't engage in sexual intercourse with their clients, but still use their bodies/sexuality in their line of work. IMO if you're gonna criminalize that kinda thing, you might as well criminalize modeling as well, since folks also capitalize on their bodies. Cmon.

They all are a result of the individualism and hedonism that hit us since the end of ww2.

The oldest business is also a business that was rejected and dubios ever since the creation of our civilization, being a thieve or assassin can also be rationalized by being a business that existed since the birth of mankind, what a stupid argument.

A person that is selling his/her body is disgusting and it reflects on the fact that most people that do it, generally come from the lowest socioeconomic classes and had a troubling/abusive childhood.

Þoreiðar
Friday, September 27th, 2019, 09:13 PM
Far too many prudes on here IMO. Prostitution is the world oldest profession and ya simply can't stop it. Folks will always use sex as currency, even if you criminalize it.Personally, I don't care so much about it being criminalized or not. As you say, it will happen to more or less the same degree anyway. I do, however, think there's a good point about it being socially sanctioned against, though. I don't know if you have any daughters yourself, but speaking purely hypothetically, would you have been proud and happy about a daughter of your's choosing to prostitute herself? If not, why would want that for anybody else's daughter? Social sanctions helps to deter women from choosing to go down that road, for whatever reason they may see sensible at the time. It's one of the main reasons of having a society in the first place; protecting the common good and the vulnerable.

Coillearnach
Friday, September 27th, 2019, 10:39 PM
Far too many prudes on here IMO. Prostitution is the world oldest profession and ya simply can't stop it. Folks will always use sex as currency, even if you criminalize it. It's always been this way, a business like any other.

A lot of tragedies will always be with us, that doesn't mean we shouldn't try our hardest to curtail them.

Prostitution isn't a business like any other for many reasons:

1. It commodifies that which does not have a price - namely, love, dignity, the most profound bodily relationship besides birth someone can have with another human being
2. It encourages dehumanization of women through increasing objectification - the prostitute is used as a thing to get the patron off and her human characteristics are progressively ignored (most prostitutes have been raped, physically assaulted, and have PTSD)
3. It has an inverse relationship via risk - the "product" is the one assuming the risk, not the "consumer"
4. Being the victim of child abuse is almost a necessary precondition to be a prostitute to begin with, not to mention the damage that occurs when children are born to mothers that engage in this, or the reality of child prostitution
5. Facilitates human trafficking, drug abuse, and gang activity
6. Exploits the most vulnerable people
7. The "job" is inherently traumatic and legitimizing it means legitimizing those outcomes



Who are you to moralize to other folks how they should conduct their business like?

Besides the other reasons, we have a community and a broader civilization to maintain, having a common morality aids us in functioning effectively as a group and repelling hostile takeovers by groups that do have that.


...where are ya gonna draw the line? What about strippers, escorts, sugar babies, cam models, hotline workers and the like? They don't engage in sexual intercourse with their clients, but still use their bodies/sexuality in their line of work.

They may not engage in actual sex but all of this still contributes to the objectification and dehumanization of the people that engage in it.


IMO if you're gonna criminalize that kinda thing, you might as well criminalize modeling as well, since folks also capitalize on their bodies. Cmon.

Seeing a woman wearing certain clothing on a billboard or in a magazine is no different than seeing her walking down the street in that same clothing, this is clearly about something more than aesthetics.

Finnish Swede
Friday, September 27th, 2019, 11:22 PM
There would't be prostitution if men could control their sexuality little bit better. Potential customers creates business ... always. So men are ''guilty'' for that profession born. Simple as that. Case closed!

Þoreiðar
Friday, September 27th, 2019, 11:30 PM
There would't be prostitution if men could control their sexuality little bit better. Potential customers creates business ... always. So men are ''guilty'' for that profession born. Simple as that. Case closed!And the female sex is responsible for which male traits have been bred forth to become prevalent, through their choice of which males they decided to breed with.

Case re-opened? :)

Finnish Swede
Friday, September 27th, 2019, 11:37 PM
And the female sex is responsible for which male traits have been bred forth to become prevalent, through their choice of which males they decided to breed with.

Case re-opened? :)

Nah ... if all ''traits'' support same agenda.

Þoreiðar
Saturday, September 28th, 2019, 12:32 AM
Nah ... if all ''traits'' support same agenda.What do you mean?

SaxonPagan
Saturday, September 28th, 2019, 01:46 AM
Were prostitution to be legalised, many of those currently working illegally would presumably pay taxes and the economy as a whole would benefit.

I'm sure there are prostitutes who already contribute far more than some of their morally righteous critics ;)

Þoreiðar
Saturday, September 28th, 2019, 02:20 AM
I'm sure there are prostitutes who already contribute far more than some of their morally righteous critics ;)Contribute to what? Creating more damaged souls?

SaxonPagan
Saturday, September 28th, 2019, 02:32 AM
Contribute to what? Creating more damaged souls?

I clearly wrote THE ECONOMY on the previous line.

Prostitutes do not create 'damaged souls'. This is just a piece of esoteric nonsense.

Þoreiðar
Saturday, September 28th, 2019, 02:49 AM
I clearly wrote THE ECONOMY on the previous line.Yes, on the previous line, which dealt with a hypothetical situation in which prostitution was legal. In an illegal market, how do you reckon prostitution benefits the economy?


Prostitutes do not create 'damaged souls'. This is just a piece of esoteric nonsense.Are you an authority on the matter?

SaxonPagan
Saturday, September 28th, 2019, 02:57 AM
Yes, on the previous line, which dealt with a hypothetical situation in which prostitution was legal. In an illegal market, how do you reckon prostitution benefits the economy?

It doesn't! Which is one of the arguments in favour of making it legal.

Þoreiðar
Saturday, September 28th, 2019, 03:03 AM
It doesn't! Which is one of the arguments in favour of making it legal.Now we know.

Finnish Swede
Saturday, September 28th, 2019, 07:54 AM
What do you mean?

Just that it doesn't matter who those women'll choose (or have chosen) ... as it is part of them all (partners).
Sexuality is one of the few instincts humans still have.

That same ''drive'' of men has probably played very important role to whole surviving of humans at ancient days (average lifetime was low and total numbers of humans were pretty small). So that hardly can be judged as ''bad'' characteristic only. More like it is what it is ... still with prostitution only? Goes as I said.

Wolgadeutscher
Saturday, September 28th, 2019, 01:41 PM
Prostitutes do not create 'damaged souls'. This is just a piece of esoteric nonsense.
Of course they do. Prostitutes destroy homes and marriages in many ways. They can get their clients addicted, in some cases leeching off money which would have better been used for that person's family and children. In many cases it's not a simple case of "two consenting adults" because many of the clients are married or in relationships and committing adultery. Not to mention prostitutes engage in the most depraved kinds of sexual activity which humiliate and objectify the human body. Sexual activity is supposed to be an intimate matter between husband and wife, not a means to conduct a transaction. That is degrading to both the client and the prostitute herself.

Bärin
Saturday, September 28th, 2019, 01:47 PM
It doesn't! Which is one of the arguments in favour of making it legal.
That's some bullsh*t materialistic argument. Shall we now also legalize drugs because they would benefit the economy? How about other decadent acts for which degenerates would be willing to pay? "Benefitting the economy" was one reason Europe's gates were opened to aliens and not only did they never leave, but in the end they became more a burden on the economy than anything. Besides, prostitution is anti-family, it encourages women to be single and childfree, which is showing a middle finger to the future of the nation. Which is why prostitution and slutty behavior is being embraced by feminists and their disgusting ideology. :thumbdown

Finnish Swede
Saturday, September 28th, 2019, 02:27 PM
Wolgadeutscher and Bärin:

I agree with outcome of prostitution (to society via creating pairs/matings, family units etc.), but I see the most guilty for whole phenomenon are the customers (= men) ...keeping it alive (wheels turning), not those women. And even more, if one would like to get a rid off whole phenomenon ... the actions should be faced against customers.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8CP9dg38cAI

Gefjon
Saturday, September 28th, 2019, 02:41 PM
They all are a result of the individualism and hedonism that hit us since the end of ww2.
As I said, it's the oldest profession. Prostitution existed long before the post-WWII era.


The oldest business is also a business that was rejected and dubios ever since the creation of our civilization, being a thieve or assassin can also be rationalized by being a business that existed since the birth of mankind, what a stupid argument.
Cmon, let's be serious, there's a huge difference between the two. You could place forced prostitution and human trafficking into the same category as thievery or assassination, hence the solution would be to legalize it and let folks engage in it if they want to. I'm talking about adult women who make this decision themselves. And no, prostitution wasn't always frowned upon, just look at the example posted of the courtesans, they were quite intelligent, learned, refined women who had wealth and power. It was a sought after profession. Same goes for king's mistress and the like. Women have always traded sex and men have always traded things in exchange for it. There's clearly a market for it, and ya ain't gonna stop that by making it illegal.


A person that is selling his/her body is disgusting and it reflects on the fact that most people that do it, generally come from the lowest socioeconomic classes and had a troubling/abusive childhood.
First of all, define what selling his/her body means. Second, nope, it ain't just the lowest socioeconomic classes who do it. Celebs and models do it, luxury escorts and the like whom ya couldn't afford for even a 10 minute session. It's no longer a profession for the lowest of the low, done out of desperation. There's folks who do it cause they like sex, and the like.


Personally, I don't care so much about it being criminalized or not. As you say, it will happen to more or less the same degree anyway. I do, however, think there's a good point about it being socially sanctioned against, though. I don't know if you have any daughters yourself, but speaking purely hypothetically, would you have been proud and happy about a daughter of your's choosing to prostitute herself? If not, why would want that for anybody else's daughter? Social sanctions helps to deter women from choosing to go down that road, for whatever reason they may see sensible at the time. It's one of the main reasons of having a society in the first place; protecting the common good and the vulnerable.
Just cause I wouldn't do it or wouldn't want my kids to do it isn't a valid argument to ban it. There's many other things that ain't my cup of tea and yet I wouldn't try to stop other folks from doing it.



A lot of tragedies will always be with us, that doesn't mean we shouldn't try our hardest to curtail them.

Prostitution isn't a business like any other for many reasons:

1. It commodifies that which does not have a price - namely, love, dignity, the most profound bodily relationship besides birth someone can have with another human being
2. It encourages dehumanization of women through increasing objectification - the prostitute is used as a thing to get the patron off and her human characteristics are progressively ignored (most prostitutes have been raped, physically assaulted, and have PTSD)
3. It has an inverse relationship via risk - the "product" is the one assuming the risk, not the "consumer"
4. Being the victim of child abuse is almost a necessary precondition to be a prostitute to begin with, not to mention the damage that occurs when children are born to mothers that engage in this, or the reality of child prostitution
5. Facilitates human trafficking, drug abuse, and gang activity
6. Exploits the most vulnerable people
7. The "job" is inherently traumatic and legitimizing it means legitimizing those outcomes
There's many other businesses that tick those boxes and most of those arguments are morally/religiously motivated. Business doesn't care about those, it's about whether there's a market for certain things, i.e. demand and supply. In the case of prostitution, it's both. And the child abuse ain't anymore a necessary precondition, nowadays anyone can be a prostitute, including the rich and spoiled classes.

The human trafficking, drug abuse, and gang activity is much more encouraged by prostitution being illegal than it being legalized. Just like the case of drugs, where all these cartels benefit from keeping them illegal.


Seeing a woman wearing certain clothing on a billboard or in a magazine is no different than seeing her walking down the street in that same clothing, this is clearly about something more than aesthetics.
You are actually aware that modeling is often a gateway activity that facilitates all the other things you frown at?

Teutone
Saturday, September 28th, 2019, 02:58 PM
I clearly wrote THE ECONOMY on the previous line.

Prostitutes do not create 'damaged souls'. This is just a piece of esoteric nonsense.

In Germany it got legalized, do you think it had any impact on the economy? LOL

Legal or not, it stays a business that is run by criminals and results in violence, still forced prostitutes and gangs even make more money by not even have to fear consequences for brothels anymore.

Who ruled the prostitution business before legalization? Arab/Albanian/Turkish street gangs and German criminal rocker gangs like Hells Angels.
Who ruled after the legalization? SUPRISE SUPRISE the same people but this time without anything to worry about.

Proustites are scum, people that go to prostitutes are scum and the pimps are the biggest scum.

Coillearnach
Saturday, September 28th, 2019, 04:55 PM
There's many other businesses that tick those boxes

What other business checks all of those boxes or even half of them? Are those illegal trades full of human carnage too?


most of those arguments are morally/religiously motivated. Business doesn't care about those, it's about whether there's a market for certain things, i.e. demand and supply. In the case of prostitution, it's both.

The first one is the only one that is even slightly religiously tinged. And so what if they are morally-motivated, what kind of argumentation is this? Why is the possibility of a market some kind of sufficient explanatory anchor for why it should be allowed to operate freely and given sanction?


And the child abuse ain't anymore a necessary precondition, nowadays anyone can be a prostitute, including the rich and spoiled classes.

Rich and spoiled children get abused too. This isn't something that is in the past, child abuse is still a predictor of prostitution and there have been many recent studies on this. The disassociation a child experiences as a result of abuse shapes their identity formation, they are more likely to fall prey to all kinds of excessive risk because of it - more drug abuse, more domestic violence, prostitution, etc. In one study I know of, 70% of prostitutes even blamed their child abuse as a reason for them being in prostitution to begin with. That brings up even more questions about the possibility of a large part of even non-forced prostitution having an involuntary character.


The human trafficking, drug abuse, and gang activity is much more encouraged by prostitution being illegal than it being legalized. Just like the case of drugs, where all these cartels benefit from keeping them illegal.

The "pacification through legalization" thing is turning out to be a myth. After legalization/decriminalization - trafficking, illegal prostitution, and demand all went up in New Zealand, the Netherlands, Australia, Germany, and Nevada and violence did not decrease.



You are actually aware that modeling is often a gateway activity that facilitates all the other things you frown at?

Sure, voluntary or involuntary. That doesn't change the fact that traditional modeling does not have those things as features rather than possibilities.

Bärin
Saturday, September 28th, 2019, 05:11 PM
Soon after prostitution was legalized in Germany, brothels demanded to view it like any other job and force job centers to recruit sex workers for them. Can you imagine your daughters being forced to either take a prostitution job because they're young and pretty enough, or face the alternative to lose their unemployment benefits? Because that might be the result of pushing for prostitution to be seen as a normal transaction. You might think it's exaggerating, but I heard of cases of unemployed women who were offered prostitution jobs. In a world where promiscuity is normalized it's only a matter of time until this becomes standard. "Business like any other", you say? :thumbdown That's the result of proud "slut walks", walking vagina costumes and pussy hats. It's pure degeneration. :| Yes, some professions like acting and modeling are used as gateways to prostitution, but why? Because prostitution and sexual promiscuity has become socially acceptable in the first place! The sexual predators and degenerates like the Weinsteins and Epsteins see it also as just a transaction, as paying for advancement or certain "services". :thumbdown

Yes, besides prostitutes, brothels and pimps, also the men who go to prostitutes should face consequences. It should be regarded as adultery and adultery should be regarded as treason. Like I said, the family is a basic unit of the nation, so disrespecting your family is a treasonous action towards the nation.

Also prostitution goes hand in hand with immigration. At least here in Germany the prostitutes are foreign (often Eastern European) and so are the pimps, also many Turkish pimps. Not to mention crime (usually drugs) and general social disturbance. In Berlin they closed down several brothels because they disturbed the neighbors. And it hasn't benefited the economy, on the contrary, prostitutes have become cheaper and a lot of brothels have promotional prices for the unemployed/elderly and loyalty fees. A lot of prostitutes themselves are ridden with debt and have all sort of financial issues.

Finnish Swede
Saturday, September 28th, 2019, 05:25 PM
When prostitution became legalized in Germany? Just asking that as there is actually one pretty old song in Finland ... which lyrics mention Hamburg's Reeperbahn (Red Lights) .... as one kind of forbidden fruit ... nothing like which was allowed in Nordic countries.

Bleyer
Saturday, September 28th, 2019, 06:04 PM
Let's think about it for a moment, who are the most ardent proponents of legalizing prostitution? Feminists for one, liberals, leftists and all sort of supporters of sexual liberation, individualism, materialism and immorality/degeneration. So, qui bono? Certainly not the average Germanic nationalist or traditionalist.

Prostitution is inherently abusive and exploitative. Especially in a neoliberal world in which human flesh has come to be viewed as a commodity (like a burger), it dehumanises the person. It's linked to organised crime and violence, even in places it's legalised or decriminalised.

A government that allows the decriminalisation of prostitution sends a message to its citisens that they are considered mere vessels for sexual consumption. If prostitution is "a job like any other", will it become an available option for job seekers, as Bärin mentioned? Will certain characteristics, such as youth and physical appearance be considered "skills" and will possessing them render one to be seen as suitable for performing a job in the sex industry? Will job centers create training sessions for girls to teach them how to perform the "best oral sex" and other sexual services for consumers? And what about rape? If prostitution is seen as merely "sex work", then by its own logic, rape is merely "theft". The more sexual promiscuity is normalised, the more it is likely to see such things in future.

Prostitution is not a fairy tale. The glamorous image shown in films such as "Dangerous Beauty" or "Pretty Woman" shows only one side of the story, often an illusion. The reality is prostitution is deplorable and in many ways degrades and robs the participants of fragile parts of their humanity. Normalising the act of buying sex also debases men by assuming that they are entitled to access women's bodies for sexual gratification in exchange for a fee. As Wolgadeutscher mentioned, sex is supposed to be an intimate act between husband and wife, not a mere commodity.

Another big argument against prostitution is a medical one. Prostitution remains one of the leading vectors for AIDS infection and other STDs, not to mention abortions. This is true in the case of both legal and illegal prostitution. Prostitutes, because of their many partners, have a greatly increased risk of exposure to STDs. They are likewise able to spread the STDs to the many of their partners. The incidence of depression, personality disorders and drug addiction (both prescription and illegal) is high among prostitutes, partially explaining why they became prostitutes to begin with. We could compare the legalisation of prostitution to the legalization of abortion. The latter has shown that it lead to a radical increase, not decrease in abortion. So legalising prostitution would not only mean condoning and facilitating it, but also encouraging it. Legalising prostitution also makes it harder to hunt down human traffickers, especially those from Eastern Europe and Africa.

Yes, a sad consequence of prostitution is the devastation of the human soul, however prostitution also contributes to the disintegration of the culture, society, and nation.

Bärin
Saturday, September 28th, 2019, 07:26 PM
When prostitution became legalized in Germany? Just asking that as there is actually one pretty old song in Finland ... which lyrics mention Hamburg's Reeperbahn (Red Lights) .... as one kind of forbidden fruit ... nothing like which was allowed in Nordic countries.
In 2002. I found some articles about women who were asked to take jobs in bordellos as if they were normal professions:

Job Center Apologizes for Offer in Bordello (https://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/outrage-after-job-center-suggests-brothel-job-for-young-woman-in-germany-a-882021.html)

'Work As A Prostitute Or Risk Losing Benefits' (http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/05/01/Germany_prostitution.html)

The job center officials say it themselves, "if there were a moral consensus that it was an acceptable position, they would be required to treat it as a "normal profession -- without any fussing or quibbling."

I wonder what the proponents of accepting prostitution as a regular job have to say to that. There's a reason we have morals, and it's not only "religious bigotry". Those who support such liberal measures do nothing but to fall into the traps of the destroyers of our nations. Destroy the family and the dignity and pride of the average Germanic person and you successfully erode the health of the nation. Whores, pimps and the like don't deserve to be on the same level with honorable workers, they are degenerates :thumbdown

Also about the topic of immigration:


As early as 1993, after the first steps towards legalization had been taken, it was recognized (even by pro-prostitution advocates) that 75 per cent of the women in Germany's prostitution industry were foreigners from Uruguay, Argentina, Paraguay and other countries in South America (Altink, 1993: 33). After the fall of the Berlin wall, brothel owners reported that 9 out of every 10 women in the German sex industry were from eastern Europe (Altink, 1993: 43) and other former Soviet countries.

The sheer volume of foreign women who are in the prostitution industry in Germany - by some NGO estimates now up to 85 per cent - casts further doubt on the fact that these numbers of women could have entered Germany without facilitation. . As in the Netherlands, NGOs report that most of the foreign women have been trafficked into the country since it is almost impossible for poor women to facilitate their own migration, underwrite the costs of travel and travel documents, and set themselves up in "business" without outside help.


Another argument for legalizing prostitution in the Netherlands was that it would help end child prostitution. In reality, however, child prostitution in the Netherlands has increased dramatically during the 1990s. The Amsterdam-based ChildRight organization estimates that the number has gone from 4,000 children in 1996 to 15,000 in 2001. The group estimates that at least 5,000 of the children in prostitution are from other countries, with a large segment being Nigerian girls (Tiggeloven: 2001).

https://www.rapereliefshelter.bc.ca/learn/resources/10-reasons-not-legalizing-prostitution-janice-g-raymond-catw-2003

Supporting prostitution is not only supporting human traffic, but also illegal immigration and ethnic or even race mixing. It's all part of the larger scheme to destroy Germanic nations.

Blod og Jord
Saturday, September 28th, 2019, 07:33 PM
I see very few benefits to legalizing it, the only argument in favor of it would be "live and let live" but it does too much damage as opposed to advantages so I rather think it should be discouraged.


I agree with outcome of prostitution (to society via creating pairs/matings, family units etc.), but I see the most guilty for whole phenomenon are the customers (= men) ...keeping it alive (wheels turning), not those women. And even more, if one would like to get a rid off whole phenomenon ... the actions should be faced against customers.
Agree with this as well, customers are just as guilty as the prostitutes themselves. The Nordic model decriminalizes people that are prostituted and offers them support for exiting the sex trade while at the same time criminalizing those who buy sexual services. While it's not perfect, it has some advantages.


The committee further stated that the public opinion had changed in comparison to that in Norway and Denmark and that 70 % of the population were in favour of the ban on the purchase of sexual services in Sweden. The Committee on Women’s Rights and Gender Equality of the European Union stated in 2013 that: "Sweden’s prostituted population is one-tenth of neighbouring Denmark’s where sex purchase is legal and has a smaller population. The law has also changed public opinion. In 1996 45% women and 20% men were in favour of criminalising male sex purchasers. By 2008 79% women and 60% men were in favour of the law. Moreover, the Swedish police confirm that the Nordic Model has had a deterrent effect on trafficking for sexual exploitation." It has also been reported that 12,5 % of men used to solicit prostitutes before the implementation of the law in 1999 whereas in 2014 only 7,7 % of men purchased sexual services.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Model_approach_to_prostitution

Finnish Swede
Saturday, September 28th, 2019, 07:47 PM
In 2002. I found some articles about women who were asked to take jobs in bordellos as if they were normal professions:

Job Center Apologizes for Offer in Bordello (https://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/outrage-after-job-center-suggests-brothel-job-for-young-woman-in-germany-a-882021.html)

'Work As A Prostitute Or Risk Losing Benefits' (http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/05/01/Germany_prostitution.html)

The job center officials say it themselves, "if there were a moral consensus that it was an acceptable position, they would be required to treat it as a "normal profession -- without any fussing or quibbling."

I wonder what the proponents of accepting prostitution as a regular job have to say to that. There's a reason we have morals, and it's not only "religious bigotry". Those who support such liberal measures do nothing but to fall into the traps of the destroyers of our nations. Destroy the family and the dignity and pride of the average Germanic person and you successfully erode the health of the nation. Whores, pimps and the like don't deserve to be on the same level with honorable workers, they are degenerates :thumbdown

Well; Hamburg's Reeperbahn (Red lights area) have been existed much much longer/earlier. Who knows how much earlier. How is that even possible?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reeperbahn

Teutone
Saturday, September 28th, 2019, 09:25 PM
Well; Hamburg's Reeperbahn (Red lights area) have been existed much much longer/earlier. Who knows how much earlier. How is that even possible?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reeperbahn

Weak German police not taking it down before legalization.

Hamburg and Berlin are hedonistic shitholes

Winkelried
Saturday, September 28th, 2019, 09:26 PM
You know, when I read stuff like this ^ I'm tempted to conclude that brothels are far more useful places than churches.
Surely this is meant in jest? I'm no Christian and while there is much to criticize about certain churches, I cannot think of any positive contributions of brothels to society that would outweigh the overall contribution of churches. Monetary contributions aside, what pray tell could brothels contribute to society that is far superior to the contributions of churches?

Siebenbürgerin
Saturday, September 28th, 2019, 09:46 PM
In 2002. I found some articles about women who were asked to take jobs in bordellos as if they were normal professions:

Job Center Apologizes for Offer in Bordello (https://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/outrage-after-job-center-suggests-brothel-job-for-young-woman-in-germany-a-882021.html)

'Work As A Prostitute Or Risk Losing Benefits' (http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/05/01/Germany_prostitution.html)

The job center officials say it themselves, "if there were a moral consensus that it was an acceptable position, they would be required to treat it as a "normal profession -- without any fussing or quibbling."
I've to say I'm a little bit shocked. :| Some years ago when I originally replied to this theme I said I'd be horrified to go to the job fair and see prostitute on the list but I didn't actually expect it to happen at that point... However, if our societies continue to go the same direction, I wouldn't be surprised to see it listed as a possible job offer for normal peoples... It's really sad. In my view, this is one of the reasons why traditional morals still have a place in our society, and measures like legalisation of prostitution reflect a moral decay. When prostitutes become regular workers and pimps become businessmen, something isn't right in the society. It's a result of moral relativism and "anything goes". Unfortunately films like Pretty Woman glamorise prostitution and some peoples find the other side of the coin the hard way...

Here an example:


Laila Mickelwait, the author of the blogpost, wrote: “I have encountered young women who have told us that Pretty Women lured them into the sex industry by leading them to believe that prostitution was glamorous and romantic.” She quoted a sex worker called Stephanie who she interviewed for a documentary: “I watched the movie, Pretty Woman, and I was like, well gosh, look at her, she’s beautiful, she’s making money, she’s meeting guys ... I experienced nothing like Pretty Woman, it’s totally, totally different. I’ve been held hostage at gunpoint, raped, robbed, strangled, beaten up, everything, by customers.”

Mickelwait continued: “How many young, naive, and unsuspecting women over the last 25 years were deceived by the fairy tale of Pretty Woman and led into a life of abuse, trauma, and slavery?” She juxtaposed an image of a smiling Roberts with a bruised eastern European sex worker.
The source: https://www.theguardian.com/film/2015/mar/31/sex-workers-protest-blog-pretty-woman-glamourising-prostitution


“I love romantic comedies,” says Marian Hatcher, a sex trafficking survivor who now works as a project manager at the Cook County Sheriff’s office. “Before I was prostituted, raped, beaten, kidnapped, and incarcerated as a result of prostitution, I looked at it as a romantic comedy.” But soon enough, she says, the movie “became an ugly reality.”

“There is nothing pretty about prostitution,” Hatcher says. “Nothing pretty about it at all.” For more thoughts from her, you can read a Huffington Post article she wrote on prostitution.

https://time.com/3756689/pretty-woman-prostitute-julia-roberts-richard-gere/

Unfortunately many women from this country are attracted by prostitution and some of them are lured through other jobs like model, beauty product seller, bartendress, dancer and the like, in other countries. Once they land there their passports are confiscated and they're forced into prostitution. But of course there are also voluntary prostitutes. We've had a woman at church who previously went abroad and prostituted herself for money, in the beginning she thought it would be a temporary job but it was very hard to get out. Despite that prostitution was technically legal in the country she was in, she was still beaten, abused, drugged and raped, treated "like a piece of meat" (in her own words). In fact it was such a terrible experience she at some point attempted suicide. Luckily she survived and got away from the "scene" and she's now an advocate against prostitution.

Finnish Swede
Saturday, September 28th, 2019, 10:15 PM
Reading something like this (unemployed girl would need to accept to work as prostitute) sounds/feels so unreal and far from reality (a nightmare more alike). Especially as we are talking about Germany. Germany has always showed me as ''the best country in Europe'' ... something Scandinavians should reach, on our own ways. Short time ago I mentioned here that I would never immigrate to Germany. That is true too. I would not fit there, plus I would not belong there. Germany belongs to Germans. Those opinions still have never stop me value the country a lot. Here my parents opinions have probable influenced on me.

And now something like this?

Maybe I should really start to value how bad or good my own home country is.

Ítreksjóð
Saturday, September 28th, 2019, 10:37 PM
I believe it should be illegal. Reducing sex to a financial transaction undermines normal human relationships, marriage and the family. Making/keeping it illegal is key to safeguarding the sanctity of society's basic values. Prostitution is also by definition degrading to both men and especially to women. It reduces them to merchandise to be bought and sold, as if they were mere pieces of meat. When the state legalizes and taxes prostitution like any other “business”, it is effectively becoming a pimp.

Germany's experience with prostitution shows legalizing it has no significant advantages. A report by Germany’s Family Ministry found a decade of legalization had “not brought about any measurable actual improvement in the social coverage of prostitutes,” nor was there any “solid proof” that the law had reduced crime.

LillyCaterina
Sunday, September 29th, 2019, 01:02 AM
Sure, various forms of prostitution exist. But society should never condone it by making it legal.

velvet
Sunday, September 29th, 2019, 06:05 AM
Reading something like this (unemployed girl would need to accept to work as prostitute) sounds/feels so unreal and far from reality (a nightmare more alike). Especially as we are talking about Germany. Germany has always showed me as ''the best country in Europe'' ... something Scandinavians should reach, on our own ways. Short time ago I mentioned here that I would never immigrate to Germany. That is true too. I would not fit there, plus I would not belong there. Germany belongs to Germans. Those opinions still have never stop me value the country a lot. Here my parents opinions have probable influenced on me.

And now something like this?

Well, history repeats itself...back to the communist days of the (((Weimar Republic))) era
Babylon before Hitler / bitchute / no youtube (of course) (https://www.bitchute.com/video/8WnEDy4JqczA/)

where all kinds of depravity was encouraged and supported. Germany also takes the winner place for the first ever sex change surgery in that era, (((Hirschhausen)))'s grandson still is allowed to swadrone about the "German sexuality" in (still/again) communist / marxist TV and so on. And people just have no idea who that guy is.

The Germany your parents told you about was the Germany of the 50s to 70s/80s, when also Sweden was still a de facto nationalsocialist country with high levels of living standards and general happiness, low to nonexistent crimes (and when there was one it was a HUGE scandal), low immigration levels etc. It was an illusion, already back then, it was so because we were allowed to live in a bubble between "forgetting" about being an occupied country and a low-level promotion of being "needed" (read: the bottom crumbs of "pride") as buffer against the Soviet Union. But for many people it was real, they had a real sense of hope for some kind of better future and just were normal people in a normal society. So we indeed were a considerably good country.

Since the break in history around 1990, it all goes downhill, rapidly, again, accelerating the free fall in the post-2000s. Everything that was still good yesterday is now at least "out of fashion", if not an expression of white, male, colonial supremacy and thus has to be fought and beaten down ideologically.

Reeperbahn is actually a good example for the "change in perception" (propaganda) of things. It was a harbour, where of course all sorts of businesses a sailor could need were offered (like the ropes for the ships), but of course also bars, hotels, clubs, brothels, opium houses when that was a "fashion", Absynth houses when this was a "fashion", but apart from the rope business, all of it happened behind closed doors, it was frowned upon, it was not "socially acceptable" to conduct in that kinds of businesses, and it was even used as a "threat" against misbehaving children who got told they'd end up there if they wouldnt behave. It used to be a "Sperrbezirk" (closed district) where normal people wouldn't dare to go, and police took care of that the people working there would stay inside and not run loose, exporting their business into the normal areas.

Today, our degenerate politraitors call it a "culture mile", and the video shows where this ends...


Maybe I should really start to value how bad or good my own home country is.

Remember, before you look down on Germany, that we also attempted to clean up the mess, and that your country was one of the few who stood with us and (and that's a huge plus) never apologised for it :)

Seriously, Finland is one of the best countries and along with (the non-degenerate part of) Sweden the one most close to us mentality wise. When we as people(s) stand together, we even beat the devil out of hell. Guess it's time...again.

Keep in mind that much of the degeneration and depravity is a product of propaganda of the last three decades/EU and not necessarily the inherent desire of our peoples. They're held hostage to invented guilt, literally brainwashed through tv and movies and system scribblers calling themselves journalists, while in truth being culturalmarxist agitators. This is not "us". For some strange reason however we chose to look the other way for some decades too long, and now we're here, at the same point in history that we were a 100 years ago...

Never look down on your own people, even if you see degenerates and lost ones. Always remember that the invisible majority are still perfectly normal people. I so often feel the desire to drop some napalm bombs on Germany when being confronted with the latest depravity fashion in medias or tv, but I just need to look out the window to see an entire village basically free of such things. It's not yet so much normality as medias want to make it look. We are not yet lost.

Finnish Swede
Sunday, September 29th, 2019, 09:13 AM
To all ... Sorry about this off topic :)


Well, history repeats itself...back to the communist days of the (((Weimar Republic))) era
Babylon before Hitler / bitchute / no youtube (of course) (https://www.bitchute.com/video/8WnEDy4JqczA/)

where all kinds of depravity was encouraged and supported. Germany also takes the winner place for the first ever sex change surgery in that era, (((Hirschhausen)))'s grandson still is allowed to swadrone about the "German sexuality" in (still/again) communist / marxist TV and so on. And people just have no idea who that guy is.
Oh, I did't know this. To be honest I know very little from this exact era. Basically what they teach at school ... unfair/hard peace treaty after WWI (for Germany) and reasons/backgrounds/explanations why Hitler was able to rise in power. Focusing still mainly/only to economical matters, never morals or going any deeper to political aspects. But yeah ... as always I think there must be much much more?



The Germany your parents told you about was the Germany of the 50s to 70s/80s, when also Sweden was still a de facto nationalsocialist country with high levels of living standards and general happiness, low to nonexistent crimes (and when there was one it was a HUGE scandal), low immigration levels etc. Yes, that's correct.



Since the break in history around 1990, it all goes downhill, rapidly, again, accelerating the free fall in the post-2000s. Everything that was still good yesterday is now at least "out of fashion", if not an expression of white, male, colonial supremacy and thus has to be fought and beaten down ideologically. Same in Sweden. And my father comes exactly from Southern Sweden, where the first real fights between immigrants and skinheads took in place (late 1980's and 1990's). Actually Lund (small beautiful old University city closely to Malmö ... where my granny lives) ... was battle field. Sweden's last war king's (Charles XII) statue stands exactly in Lund (=> skinheads liked to joint together there). Back then Sweden's polices attacks against those skinheads (skinheads would have beaten immigrants easily). Think shortly how different Sweden could look today if the officers/politicians would have taken seriously these first negative signals? Honestly Sweden was pretty racist country still late 60's and early 70's (just like you said). Racist ... I meant in positive context .... ''healthy'' inside ... respecting what they had/were and did't welcome others in with open arms.
Finns immigrants faced that at 60's. What if Sweden's first non-Germanic immigrants would not have been Finns, but someone else?



Reeperbahn is actually a good example for the "change in perception" (propaganda) of things. It was a harbour, where of course all sorts of businesses a sailor could need were offered (like the ropes for the ships), but of course also bars, hotels, clubs, brothels, opium houses when that was a "fashion", Absynth houses when this was a "fashion", but apart from the rope business, all of it happened behind closed doors, it was frowned upon, it was not "socially acceptable" to conduct in that kinds of businesses, and it was even used as a "threat" against misbehaving children who got told they'd end up there if they wouldnt behave. It used to be a "Sperrbezirk" (closed district) where normal people wouldn't dare to go, and police took care of that the people working there would stay inside and not run loose, exporting their business into the normal areas.
Just mentioned that as I remembered it was mentioned in one pretty old song. Copenhagen (Denmark) had bit similar place (Freetown Christiania) where drugs were allowed opposite to rest of Denmark (against official laws of Denmark). I'm Lutheran (now :) ... and someway ''black and white person'') ... so I don't understand or accept these kinds of double morals.



Remember, before you look down on Germany, that we also attempted to clean up the mess, and that your country was one of the few who stood with us and (and that's a huge plus) never apologised for it :)
Oh, I will never look down Germany.



Keep in mind that much of the degeneration and depravity is a product of propaganda of the last three decades/EU and not necessarily the inherent desire of our peoples. They're held hostage to invented guilt, literally brainwashed through tv and movies and system scribblers calling themselves journalists, while in truth being culturalmarxist agitators. This is not "us". For some strange reason however we chose to look the other way for some decades too long, and now we're here, at the same point in history that we were a 100 years ago...
Honestly there is one topic I have long time wanted to discuss with Germans ... and it is that ''guilt'' via WWII. How that has been done; by who/whom and since then? Has it varied or been all the time same? How Germans have felt/taken/handled that after WII (for example different generations, different genders, different areas of country etc?) How many in Germany today thinks that Germany is someway morally ''hock to'' world/mankind because of WII?
There are none/no person (except few lunatic communists) in Finland who would feel guilt that Finland fought same side as Nazi Germany. Of course Sovjet tried that (forcing this country to accept hard peace treaty, made huge public show as they judged Finland's ''war criminals'') trying to make people feel guilty for those wars. But people here have always known better. Our own politicians either never really tried to brainwashed people to think that way. If doing/trying something like that they would have made political suicides (verbally become ''hanged'' to closest tree ... LOL). Knowing that, politicians here chose different road ... they someway simply tried to ''forget'' whole war time and tried to point out our good relationships with Sovjet Union. The sad thing is that this basically meant that official Finland someway forgot all those brave WWII veterans for cold war time. People never! So our veterans have gotten respects they deserves from official Finland (starting from presidents) only after collapse of Sovjet Union. Unfortunately many of them had died before that.

add: For example 2007 Germans (was it Der Spiegel?) attacked against Finland as Finland made this kind of ring to collect money to our war veterans (air forces). Felt really bit ''odd''.
My parents bought that same ring. That money went right/good purpose...
https://crop.kaleva.fi/0suAW0v1UUGT0MMef7kf0DXfH7M=/894x0/smart/http%3A//kuvat.kaleva.fi/default/10fa02f2-2b38-11e1-b229-12314303c108/xlarge-20071228-6867531_1F8BE341B.jpg

Finnish Swede
Sunday, September 29th, 2019, 11:55 AM
Okey, back to the topic. For my understanding most of western world's prostitutes comes from Eastern Europe and/or Asia (much poorer countries). I have seen some TV documents of human traffickings and those really are not something you would like to let your kids see. Ok, those people are not Germanic, but at least I'm not so totally cold/death inside that I could not feel anything. They are victims (most of them). Maybe naive, maybe dreaming better life in our own countries but still victims. Huge international criminal gangs run that (many times same as with drugs).

So for me ... this is not a question: should it be legal or illegal. It should be illegal and penalties (also to customers) should be high. Both money wise and public ... publishing the names of caught customers in local newspapers etc. And officers/polices should have enough resources to make needed arrests.

Maybe we can not cut this cancer away totally from societies, but it changes to operate should be made as difficult and hard as possible.

Þoreiðar
Sunday, September 29th, 2019, 01:05 PM
So for me ... this is not a question: should it be legal or illegal. It should be illegal and penalties (also to customers) should be high. Both money wise and public ... publishing the names of cough customers in local newspapers etc.As well as publishing names of caught prostitutes?

Idis
Sunday, September 29th, 2019, 01:07 PM
I voted "no". While I personally find prostitution to be morally questionable, I normally am not in favor of bans as long as consenting adults are involved. Unfortunately prostitution often involves human/minor trafficking and sexual slavery. Since this is too difficult to regulate and the disadvantages outweigh the advantages, I think it should be illegal. That said, the harshest punishments should be handed out to pimps and brothels. Since many prostitutes are actual victims themselves, I believe they should be given a chance for rehabilitation instead of proper prison time.

Finnish Swede
Sunday, September 29th, 2019, 01:32 PM
As well as publishing names of caught prostitutes?

Sure. As they mainly are coming from abroad, those names might still not tell much locally?.
Plus pimps as well ... if they only become caught. Still with those prostitutes ... that could be like to double edged sword? Their names would become better known, and who knows they could get even new contacts/customers? So maybe their punishments should based on something else?

Last post I wrote ''behalf'' of those women (prostitutes) ... explaining why prostitution should not be allowed.

Now few worlds as looking the same from customers (men) side ... why again prostitution should not be allowed. Basically as prostitution can falsify the woman picture men might have.

1.) Prostitutes fulfills some men's dreams about women (behavior).

2.) Prostitution ''supports'' some men ideas that also human (woman) can be bough by money.

Both are far from real life, and they might made it more complicated for men to approach and treat women right ways.