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OneEnglishNorman
Wednesday, June 4th, 2008, 08:40 PM
This sub-forum seemed most fitting.

Charles Edward was this week the subject of a TV documentary. He was torn between his two nations.



Charles Edward, Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha (Leopold Charles Edward George Albert; in German Carl Eduard, Herzog von Sachsen-Coburg und Gotha 19 July 1884 – 6 March 1954) was the fourth and last reigning Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, a duchy in Germany (from 30 July 1900 to 14 November 1918). A male-line grandson of Queen Victoria and Prince Albert of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, he was also a Prince of the United Kingdom and held the title of Duke of Albany.

The Duke was a controversial figure in the United Kingdom due to his status as Sovereign Duke of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, part of the German Empire, during World War I. He was deprived of his British peerages, his title of Prince and Royal Highness and his British honours in 1919.[1] In 1918, he was forced to abdicate his ducal throne. He also later joined the German Nazi Party. This caused considerable embarrassment to his only sister, who nevertheless remained loyal to him for the rest of his life, Princess Alice, Countess of Athlone, her sister-in-law, Queen Mary and their cousin George V.


http://www.fpp.co.uk/online/07/11/images/Chasrles_Edward_w_Hitler.jpg


Wiki article:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Eduard,_Duke_of_Saxe-Coburg_and_Gotha

BeornWulfWer
Wednesday, June 4th, 2008, 08:52 PM
I caught the end of the documentary and thought the man was treated very badly by his extended family and people.

Carl
Wednesday, June 4th, 2008, 09:39 PM
Yes , this was a repeat of the programme put out aboput a year ago Very interesting to see how history divided Victoria's family on this occasion. Of course Victoria as well as Albert ( of course!) had many direct German ancestors...a tragedy that Albert died so young - history may well have not unfolded as it did had h remained at the centre of things.

We can perhaps look forward to a programme about the family of the Queen's own husband . After all they had many interesting connections into the German 'predicament'.

Æmeric
Wednesday, June 4th, 2008, 11:01 PM
The Royal Family had an opportunity to cede their duchies of Coburg & Gotha to the German Empire in the late 19th century. The offer was £1 million upfront & £60,000 per annum. Prince Alfred, the Duke of Edinburgh wanted £2 million with no annuity, so the deal feel through. I haven't seen the documentary but from what I know of the issue the Duke of Albany wanted to divest his sovereignty but keep the domain lands or seek some other financial restitution. King Edward VII & the Duke of Connaught, who had renounced their own rights to the duchies intervene, with the assistance of their nephew the Kaiser, to prevent him from doing so unless he renounced his financial interest in the duchies & house properties. Divesting themselves of the duchies would have the saved the Royals some major public relations headaches during WWI & given them some financial independence from parliament.