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Loftor
Saturday, March 22nd, 2008, 03:06 AM
US says they have over 900,000 terrorists


WASHINGTON (CNN) -- A new government report says there are now more than three quarters of a million names on the U.S. government's terrorist "watch list," raising concerns the list may be becoming too large.

"At the current rate of growth, the U.S. watch lists will contain a million records by July. If there were a million terrorists in this country, our cities would be in ruins" said Barry Steinhardt, director of the ACLU's Technology and Liberty Program. "The absurd bloating of the terrorist watch lists is yet another example of how incompetence by our security apparatus threatens our rights without offering any real security."

The new counter features a rolling, odometer-style display with a real-time readout showing how many individuals are on the list at a given moment. The figures are extrapolated from a September 2007 report by the Inspector General of the Department of Justice, which reported that the Terrorist Screening Center had over 700,000 names in its database as of April 2007, and that the list was growing by an average of over 20,000 records per month. As of today, the list stands at approximately 917,000 names.

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=24972

Siebenbürgerin
Saturday, March 22nd, 2008, 03:11 AM
Hmm, I'm not some very important Person so why would they have a secret File on me? I'm not doing anything wrong, I never break the Law and never hurt anyone. So it would be a boring File if they have one.

Drakkar
Saturday, March 22nd, 2008, 03:45 AM
I'm too much of a boring person to think some sort of secret file is made up of me. I don't do anything very suspicious, and I'm in a military family so I don't think I'm seen as much of a threat.

Brynhild
Saturday, March 22nd, 2008, 03:54 AM
They'd be lucky to find anything on me as long as their pinky finger! LOL

I'm a boring old fart :p

The Lawspeaker
Saturday, March 22nd, 2008, 03:58 AM
I wouldn't be surprised since I used to be a bit activist in councils (youth councils) when I was younger and as a teenage sin (I was 19) I joined the Commie Party.. only to leave in disguist (when I was 23) yet maintaining a grudge against "my" government. So they have every reason to have one on me. Anyway.. I couldn't care less.

Gorm the Old
Saturday, March 22nd, 2008, 04:09 AM
HEY . You're a member of this forum aren't you ? That's suspicious enough. :evil0000:

Siebenbürgerin
Saturday, March 22nd, 2008, 04:14 AM
Excuse my Ignorance, but why would being a Member of this Forum be a suspicious Thing? I don't see anything wrong on this Forum.

Gorm the Old
Saturday, March 22nd, 2008, 05:03 AM
It has been labelled "white supremacist"; it is racialist; anti-American, anti-Semitic, and anti-Muslim sentiments have been voiced here; it is anti-multiculturalist. :eek: Some of the members have been members of the "Hitler-worshipping" Skadi forum .The FBI and the CIA would regard all of these matters as suspicious.

To both of those agencies, it is of no importance whether there is any substance to the above allegations. They have been made and that is sufficient.

Inasmuch as I have been a member of Skadi forum and am now a member of Blut und Boden (a Nazi slogan) forum and The Althing, I am surely a suspicious character on whom the FBI, at least, must have a dossier.

Oski
Saturday, March 22nd, 2008, 06:18 AM
I was arrested for terrorist threats a couple days after columbine massacre for some jokes I made about the incident. Since doing anything "terrorist" is the worst sin these days in america I'm sure they have a big file on me.

My criminal record is 10 miles long... I hurt too many "minorities"

Sigurd
Saturday, March 22nd, 2008, 07:00 AM
According to the FBI's Project Megiddo Report in 1999, being an Odinist is bad enough, so come the next census, I am buggered. :p

Dr. Solar Wolff
Saturday, March 22nd, 2008, 07:13 AM
Not only am I on the list but I have been stopped, questioned and detained long enough to miss a connecting flight. This happened in Canada. The US authorities notify other, cooperating countries, and they let you fly, land, and then detain you. My being on the list is a long story but the FBI has used something in my past against me which has nothing to do with the issues at hand. Until Bush leaves office, I really cannot leave the USA.

Brynhild
Saturday, March 22nd, 2008, 07:29 AM
According to the FBI's Project Megiddo Report in 1999, being an Odinist is bad enough, so come the next census, I am buggered. :p

The most previous census in Aus was last year, and I declared myself a Pagan/Heathen.

I may need to rethink the pinky finger file. Oh well, shit happens ...:D

Loftor
Saturday, March 22nd, 2008, 11:40 AM
What you have got is basically the same situation as in the USSR, a hostile, alien zionist government with a tenuous grip on power which treats the public as the enemy. A million 'terrorists'! It's pathetic.

Siebenbürgerin
Saturday, March 22nd, 2008, 12:36 PM
It has been labelled "white supremacist"; it is racialist; anti-American, anti-Semitic, and anti-Muslim sentiments have been voiced here; it is anti-multiculturalist. :eek: Some of the members have been members of the "Hitler-worshipping" Skadi forum .The FBI and the CIA would regard all of these matters as suspicious.

To both of those agencies, it is of no importance whether there is any substance to the above allegations. They have been made and that is sufficient.

Inasmuch as I have been a member of Skadi forum and am now a member of Blut und Boden (a Nazi slogan) forum and The Althing, I am surely a suspicious character on whom the FBI, at least, must have a dossier.
Hmm but this Forum has explicit Stance against White Supremacy and Violent Ideologies, or no? Where has this Forum been labeled like this? I don't know about Skadi Forum.

Loftor
Monday, March 24th, 2008, 04:12 PM
900,000 is a lot of doors to kick down. ;)

skyhawk
Monday, March 24th, 2008, 05:54 PM
900,000 is a lot of doors to kick down. ;)

It's not a problem though either , they can subcontract it out to Halliburton :D ( who will probably charge $5000 per door :p )

Ah , the high price of freedom..................

Allenson
Monday, March 24th, 2008, 07:18 PM
HEY . You're a member of this forum aren't you ? That's suspicious enough. :evil0000:


I was wondering along these lines. I am curious as to how much they may monitor fora such as this one.

Meh, I'm not too worried if they do have a little file on me. I won't give them much to fill it up with.

Ĉmeric
Monday, March 24th, 2008, 08:28 PM
Hmm, I'm not some very important Person so why would they have a secret File on me? I'm not doing anything wrong, I never break the Law and never hurt anyone. So it would be a boring File if they have one.

The FBI can keep files on people for the most benign reasons.


I'm too much of a boring person to think some sort of secret file is made up of me. I don't do anything very suspicious, and I'm in a military family so I don't think I'm seen as much of a threat.

They have a file on you. If you have ever been in the military or have been a miltary dependent there is a file. Not just at the Department of Defense but also at the FBI. While in the Navy I needed a secuirty clearance to view low level classified material which required a background check. This is not uncommon for miltary personal. Besides which there are literally hundreds of thousands of federal workers who jobs depend on collecting information & keeping files on the US citizens. Since 9/11 it has become easier for the agencies grouped together under Homeland secuirty to share information & obtain it from other agencies, such as the Social Security Administration & the IRS. The government has some sort of data on every US citizen. I'm surprised there are only 900,000 suspected terrorists. For a few years after 9/11, all adult male members of my family were pulled over for special screening at the airports, apparently because an individual involved in an infamous confrontation with the US government shared our last name & his first name was the same as a deceased uncle (but he was not a relative), however that stopped last year.

Loftor
Monday, March 24th, 2008, 08:35 PM
Way back in the 1950s MI5 had records on 4 million people, that was when each file was a vanilla folder stored in a huge archive. Imagine today with the physical limitations which computers don't have a totalitarian government can track everybody's behaviour - when you get a bank account, go abroad, buy a passport, change address will all update your secret police file automatically.

This doesn't apply to most people but it's better to be aware than to pretend it doesn't happen. Mobile phones are like ID cards, they act as evesdropping and GPS devices:

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Angharad
Monday, March 24th, 2008, 10:03 PM
I'm sure that DoD has files on a lot more than 900,000 people. Those are only the suspected terrorists.

They have files on groups that are seemingly innocuous to me, like the Society for Creative Anachronisms. I don't see a bunch of guys with wooden swords as a threat to national security, but whatever.

Is there a file on me? Very likely, but probably since my Dad had to get permission from the government to leave the country, and he was only allowed to go to certain countries due to his security clearances over 20 years ago.

I don't know of any personal travel restrictions, but then I have no idea what my Dad worked on.

Siebenbürgerin
Monday, March 24th, 2008, 10:35 PM
The FBI can keep files on people for the most benign reasons.
We had Controls in this Country only during Communism when the Secret State Police, the Securitate controlled all People. Here from Wikipedia:

Under the regime of Nicolae Ceauşescu, the Securitate employed some 11,000 agents and a half-million informers. (By way of comparison, as of September 2001, the CIA numbered about 18,000 employees.) :eek:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Securitate

But now we live in Democracies. Why is the FBI so interested in Law abiding Citizens?

Thusnelda
Monday, March 24th, 2008, 10:38 PM
Sure the police got a file on me...because I was ticketed three times in the past - for driving too fast and for parking at the wrong place...:p *sigh*

Seriously, I don´t think a "secret police" got a file on me. I broke no law with anything I wrote or did in the Internet. Maybe they have a list of people who are posting on boards about preservationism or heathendom, but I honestly don´t care much about that.

Angharad
Tuesday, March 25th, 2008, 03:22 AM
I was wondering along these lines. I am curious as to how much they may monitor fora such as this one.

Meh, I'm not too worried if they do have a little file on me. I won't give them much to fill it up with.

Well they probably do monitor this site. Generally the government does an automated search, like an rss feed for "key phrases" all over the net and if something does come up they can just read the interesting thread. I know of a general (not involved in military intelligence though) who reads threads about the military on websites this way.

Agencies like the FBI or NSA would probably use more sophisticated equipment, and intelligence agencies probably have some staffer in charge of monitoring these kind of sites.

I read a little while ago in the news that there are threats to Barak Obama on WN sites. I assume that they don't mean our discussion of the supposed threats here, more likely on sites like Stormfront, but still someone in the government probably did read that thread to make sure that there aren't any hot heads making threats.

It is important to remember that everything you post on the net is basically public record. If you want privacy don't post.

Gorm the Old
Tuesday, March 25th, 2008, 04:14 AM
Don't forget that the FBI can also evesdrop on you through your telephone answering machine. Every answering machine has a "monitor room noise" feature. You can access it by using an access code. How much would you like to bet against the idea that the FBI has a universal answering machine access code ? I'd say that it's a virtual certainty.

BIG BROTHER IS LISTENING TO YOU.

Berlichingen
Tuesday, March 25th, 2008, 05:17 AM
This doesn't apply to most people but it's better to be aware than to pretend it doesn't happen. Mobile phones are like ID cards, they act as evesdropping and GPS devices:

I wish cell phones had never been invented. Even if they couldn't be used to spy on us, they've blurred the barrier between work and personal life, put untold thousands of lives in danger on the roads every day, and set us back, etiquette-wise. Every time I attend a reading, play, or religious service there's at least one jackass who hasn't turned their phone off.

pheno perfect
Tuesday, March 25th, 2008, 07:14 PM
900 00 thousand terrorists and they let them stay.

Schmetterling
Tuesday, March 25th, 2008, 07:16 PM
Don't know, probably not, but if they do, I couldn't care less. They know where to find me if they have a problem with me. ;)