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Scáthach
Sunday, July 13th, 2003, 07:10 PM
quite tall, dark blue eyes. couldnt say if his natural hair colour is black or not to be honest.

http://www.mute.de/artists/bilder/cave/cave.jpg

http://www.thei.aust.com/isite/images6/nick1.jpg

http://hem.passagen.se/hehe/nick_cave.jpg

http://www.wn.ru/music/Biography/pic/NickCave4.jpg

Milesian
Sunday, July 13th, 2003, 07:24 PM
Hmmm...not sure. I'll guess perhaps North-Atlantid.
Seems like there's Hallstatt Nordic there.
(Probably totally wrong of course....)

Sigrun Christianson
Sunday, July 13th, 2003, 07:25 PM
I like his music.

Scáthach
Sunday, July 13th, 2003, 07:27 PM
i love love love his music! im actually listening to him now so thsts why i decided to post a little thread about him :D

milesian - he has an amazingly high forehead doesnt he? there could definetly be some nordic there imho opinion....and im probably wrong :drsuess

Milesian
Sunday, July 13th, 2003, 07:30 PM
Well, we'll just have to be wrong together! lol!
Yeah, he does seem to have a very long face which is why I thought Nordic

Scáthach
Sunday, July 13th, 2003, 07:32 PM
and dark blue eyes. the hair is the thing that makes me wonder about how nordish he may be....
beautiful man anyway and so so talented!

Milesian
Sunday, July 13th, 2003, 07:38 PM
I think his hair is naturally dark as his eyebrows,etc also seem dark. He may dye it a bit darker than it's natural shade but I think dark is natural to him.
The combination of Nordic features along with the dark hair is what makes me think North-Atlantid. Nordic with some Med element.

cosmocreator
Sunday, July 13th, 2003, 10:23 PM
He looks weird. His nostrals are flared. Wonder if he has negro genes somewhere in there.

Milesian
Sunday, July 13th, 2003, 10:31 PM
Well, I didn't want to p*ss off Scathach, but I thought that too.;)
There is definately a strange look about him which is difficult to pin down.

Ominous Lord Spoonblade
Sunday, July 13th, 2003, 11:12 PM
well now I know what he looks like. I really like murder ballads! :D

la la la la, la la la lie, all god's children they all gotta die :evilking

Scáthach
Sunday, July 13th, 2003, 11:59 PM
hmm i have thought myself that there MAY be some non white in him but then again there may not be. lets keep the dream alive...? :smilies

Azdaja
Monday, July 14th, 2003, 02:00 AM
He really IS odd-looking.
One of the traits that really stood out is his forehead. He seems very high-skulled. It makes me think that one of his main components is Pontid (east med).
This is mixed with some 'nordish' element. Probably Nordic, like Milesian said.
I would not consider him a North-Atlantid in the technical sense, though I agree his main components are (east) med and nordic/ish.

Scáthach
Monday, July 14th, 2003, 02:53 AM
aww hes not that odd looking, youre all cruel ;)

PlutoTheMighty
Monday, July 14th, 2003, 03:50 AM
I've met the bloke, um, I think.. :sick

Sigrun Christianson
Monday, July 14th, 2003, 06:58 AM
You have very interesting taste in men, Scathach. :)

Scáthach
Tuesday, July 15th, 2003, 12:54 AM
thanks for putting it so nicely Sigrun...most people..umm..dont ;)

cosmocreator
Tuesday, July 15th, 2003, 08:10 AM
I change my mind about him being possibly part negro. I think he is predominantly Mediterranean. But there is probably Nordic and East Baltic. I think his nose is probably due to being part East Baltic.

hardcorps
Tuesday, July 15th, 2003, 06:57 PM
Originally posted by cosmocreator
I change my mind about him being possibly part negro. I think he is predominantly Mediterranean. But there is probably Nordic and East Baltic. I think his nose is probably due to being part East Baltic.

Those funny snubbish noses do exist, natively, in the British Isles. From the little about his family background I coud find, I didn't see anything as exotic as what would allow for East-baltic or Pontid. He just seems to have simple Aussie Anglo-Celtic type origins:


Nicholas Edward Cave was born in Warracknabeal, Australia on 22 September 1957. His mother's name is Dawn, a librarian; his father Colin was an English teacher. He has two older brothers, Tim (1952) and Peter (1954) and a sister, Julie (1959). He was raised an Anglican, which explains the apparent influence of The Bible in his work.

http://www.geocities.com/SunsetStrip/Pit/6714/ca_biogr.html

The nose reminds me a bit of Malcolm McDowell's - which underwent discussion here some time ago. I know the noses are different, but each LOOKS a little negroid IMHO:

http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?s=&postid=17026

http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?s=&postid=17037

http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=1938&perpage=15&highlight=malcolm%20mcdowell&pagenumber=2

I think the general view was that he was an ugly/non-ideal Anglo-Saxon type!

I'm thinking Cave's just Hallstatt with some MED - and a funny nose.


Perhaps way, way back in the mists of time a negroid element MIGHT account for these noses (as well as curly/helical hair). When I look at it completely dispassionately, also, I have to conclude the 'elfish' look might largely owe itself to miniscule Mongoloid admixture. So, in the ultimate sense, cosmocreator might be right. But these signs of ancient admixture are now considered 'at home' in those of completely Europid, even Nordish, origins.

wrathchild72
Tuesday, July 15th, 2003, 10:30 PM
I'm not sure but I believe he had a kid with a mulata, maybe a Brazilian woman...I saw a pic of his son and the kid looked negroidish.

Scáthach
Wednesday, July 16th, 2003, 02:18 AM
i believe his wife is an english model? i may be wrong of course...

malcolm mcdowell is not at all ugly :peace

Kurtz
Sunday, December 16th, 2007, 06:13 PM
http://www.nndb.com/people/542/000026464/cave.jpg
http://www.krinein.com/img/3176-0.jpg
http://www.music-atlas.com/images/nick_cave_1.jpg
http://cdn.last.fm/coverart/300x300/5444.jpg
I think those pictures are quite good, aside from them there are tons of videos on YouTube.

Cave is tall and lean, brown hair but blue-eyed.

Notice the weak chin, snubbish nose in contrast to the long face, high forehead and elongated body. An unusual mix of traits.

Oski
Sunday, December 16th, 2007, 06:36 PM
BRUNN.

Etymology:

Brünn, or Brno, is a Czech city and archaeological site where Upper Paleolithic skeletal remains were discovered, certain skull types among which were named after the site. These skulls belong to the general Aurignacid/Capellid variety of Upper Paleolithic human, and as such the application of the Brünn name to the Cro-Magnid type in question is somewhat probematic. However, we have decided to retain Coon's use of the term, as no synonym exists in the literature.


Other names:

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Origins:

Mostly unreduced, typically dolicho- or mesocephalic and mostly depigmented Upper Palaeolithic survivor of Cro-Magnid provenience, closely related to the Dalo-Falid type; the two are distinguished by minor specializations only. The distinctive "Irish" features which characterize the Brünn are to some extent recalled in the Scandinavian Cro-Magnid stock. This is just as likely a result of convergence as of synapomorphy.


Description:

Like the Dalo-Falid type, Brünns are typically tall, broad-shouldered, and large-headed, with big bones and heavy musculature. In its unmixed form the type is usually quite easily distinguished from other local varieties, such as the shorter-statured, more gracile and more leptomorphic Keltic Nordid, with which it is cohabitant.

The modern Brünn inhabitants of western Ireland are mesocephalic to sub-brachycephalic, whereas their more easterly Cro-Magnid counterparts are typically long-headed. This is possibly due to the presence of a shorter-headed strain (such as Borreby) in the former, or to a local process of brachycephalization. The ancestral Cro-Magnid skull form was clearly dolichocranial.

The Brünn forehead is high and broad, and the face broad and mostly orthognathous. The malars are wide, the lower jaw deep and broad (yet usually not as broad as in the Dalo-Falid type), and the chin is prominent and typically clefted (the latter is foremost a male trait).

As with the other Cro-Magnid types, male Brünn facial features can be very ruggedly masculine, often with exaggeratedly pronounced browridges and deep jaws; the degree of sexual dimorphism is high, and a corresponding ruggedness is not usually observed among the females. As with Borreby women, these are typically rounder-featured and larger-breasted than the European mean.

The nose is moderately large, mesorrhine to leptorrhine, and straight in profile, with a considerable concave minority. The tip is somewhat thick, and frequently upturned. The mouth is large and the lines around the oral cavity are deeply drawn, while the lips are moderately thick and little everted. The upper lip tends characteristically towards length and convexity.

The skin, typically freckled, is very fair, and does not easily tan. The hair is brown and wavy, and often rufous (the Irish Brünn is known for its frequent red-headedness). Curly hair seems to be an Irish specialty. The eyes are light-mixed blue in the great majority of cases.

Corin
Sunday, December 16th, 2007, 07:19 PM
I thought a defining characteristic of a Brünn was a deep, broad, robust jawbone and this guy's isn't?

What other type might account for a weaker chin, or maybe there is just natural variation among Brünn, Brünn predominantly having strong robust jawbones?

OneEnglishNorman
Sunday, December 16th, 2007, 08:48 PM
I think very short concave noses like that are only really found on some Irish Bruenns. David O'Leary and Kevin Bacon have similar features.

http://images.scotsman.com/2002/06/27/en2706leedb.jpg
http://www.bbc.co.uk/southyorkshire/content/images/2005/11/30/o_leary_dejected_470x365.jpg
http://supportzombies.com/images/bacon.jpg

Agrippa
Tuesday, December 18th, 2007, 12:38 AM
Pred. Atlantid/Nordid-Mediterranid with Cromagnoid (Borreby?) influences. Never a typical Cromagnid/Bruenn/Dalofaelid whatever.