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Saturday, December 1st, 2007, 10:04 AM
On Friday, the pope released an extremely dull 75 page paper on “hope” and “faith” which failed miserably at intellectually defining the problems of the modern world and the steps needed to take in order to rectify them. Indeed, all man seems to be capable of is sitting around hoping things get better and placing faith and trust in all the same people who have done nothing but propel us further into the mire. For just as the Vatican released this sappy message of hope, which could be seen as no more than a call for donations, there also appeared (last month) his message to immigrants and refugees:

On the one hand he condemns Marxism, the greed for technology, and the destructive waste that goes along with industry and development, and on the other, he echoes the Marxist support for globalism and mass immigration, even claiming that it was the church’s duty to do everything in their power to help immigrants. Similarly, with the failure to condemn democracy which has led to Marxism and all of the problems of modernity, he also doesn’t see the contradiction in the church’s massive aid to the less fortunate and under-developed nations in order for them to produce more disastrous industrial waste and more consumerism! He further claims that immigrants fall prey to exploitation, blackmail, and abuses of all kinds by people of their host nations! Just who is he kidding, when our streets and cities are being burnt to the ground by immigrant thugs, our women are being raped and killed, our people are being driven into bankruptcy, and are victim to endless crimes, killings, attacks, and gang violence!!! He seems to blame rather our bad treatment of immigrants (which is a disgusting lie!) on the school system, as if we should all be re-educated in the (sic) universal principles of the Marxist moral!!! We are further urged to help in any way to aid the immigrants’ human, cultural and professional formation, which can only mean a worship or a raising of immigrants, as has been done throughout, to a status well above the native citizens. In previous messages, he condemned “multiculturalism” since it produced rival religions to the catholic faith, but here he praises the “dynamism of interculturality” (you have to be re-educated to fall for that one I suppose!)!!! He ends his message (propaganda) by twisting his religion even further by claiming that Joseph, Mary and Jesus were “refugees.” “The Church needs you too and is counting on your contribution,” he says. “Coming from different cultures, but all united by belonging to the one Church of Christ, you can show that the Gospel is alive and suited to every situation; it is an old and ever new message. It is a word of hope and salvation for the people of all races and cultures, of all ages and eras.” New message is correct, for salvation has nothing to do with politics and is completely opposed to a Catholic Marxism. Truly, the garbage that comes out of the modern church seriously makes one wonder how anyone could remain a Roman Catholic, or at least one attached to the church. Is not this state of the Vatican a sign of the failure or collapse of this particular religion? That is to say, will the true intellectuals ever regain control over Catholicism, or for that matter, Christianity?

Saturday, December 1st, 2007, 01:48 PM
On the one hand he condemns Marxism, the greed for technology, and the destructive waste that goes along with industry and development, and on the other, he echoes the Marxist support for globalism and mass immigration

It's all part of the same goal-a mass of poorly educated, illiterate, deprived people who can easily be controlled and manipulated by the Catholic church. Grow the population of the poor, illiterate Catholic nations (this is why they vehemently oppose any use of birth control), and then move these people into industrialized protestant (Germanic) countries, and take over by sheer weight of population.

The only reason the Catholic church condemns Marxism is because they hate competition.

Saturday, December 1st, 2007, 03:35 PM
Nearly everyone is a Marxist (they follow at least one belief) whether they know it or not and the Catholic Church, sadly, are no exception.

I used to be a Christian but the patheticness of those who follow the religion really turned me off it. They sit around and make themselves feel happy with two key words: faith; and hope (sometimes a third: forgiveness). They don't want to do anything themselves. They prefer the comfort of their house and insulated mind so they can just ask God for everything. Because, of course, with faith you can do anything they claim.

But really, it's pathetic. Not too long ago you would go in to nearly any Catholic Church and find them defaming Jews. :)

Saturday, December 1st, 2007, 03:40 PM
For those Catholics on here who are opposed to Marxism, give historian Thomas Wood's articles (http://www.lewrockwell.com/woods/woods-arch.html) a read. He also wrote this (http://www.mises.org/store/Church-and-the-Market-The-A-Catholic-Defense-of-the-Free-Economy--P199C0.aspx) well known book, and this here (http://www.travelingsounds.com/Title.aspx?titleId=6675). The Catholic Church's tendency to dismiss either economic ideology and at the same time embrace elements of it (perhaps those very elements it is criticizing in one or the other ideology) is astounding.

Saturday, December 1st, 2007, 05:37 PM
It's all part of the same goal-a mass of poorly educated, illiterate, deprived people who can easily be controlled and manipulated by the Catholic church.

The Catholic church has been radically transformed from within by the Christian Liberals from the 19th century on. It was also from the Catholic liberals that we heard this call for a "defence of the West" which was only to isolate the people away from true knowledge of spirituality which modern Christianity lacks. They thought that learning about other forms of religion and spirituality would be a death sentence for Christianity; they opposed the borrowing of exoteric and esoteric knowledge from these other forms and applying it to their religion, which would indeed strengthen Christianity by opposing falsehood and deceit. But this knowledge of course represented to the Marxist/Liberal the old order. Marxism is a completely destructive force which only aims at the eradication of all traditions. Only from this point did it become possible to "politicize religion."* And this is the form in which the modern world knows Catholicism which has long been taken over from within and which might as well be thought of as nothing more than a propaganda machine. With the "exterior church" fallen to the enemy it is now only a matter of looking to the "inner church" which exists in one's heart.

* Note that by politicize religion I mean the total falsification of the doctrine by changing the symbolic meanings to suit political agendas. Christ's kingdom is not of this earth, that is, a symbol represents something higher (celestial) and not lower (socio-political). From this politicization we get an extreme moralism which can change (hence the pope's "new doctrine") to fit whatever political policy is popular. But this also completely strips the doctrine of anything spiritual which can no longer apply. I wish Europe could wake up and see this for what it really is, the Church as nothing more than a Satanic parody.

Sunday, December 2nd, 2007, 08:16 AM
Yes, the sharp leftward turn is a fairly recent development, but throughout its history the Catholic church has been more interested in power over, rather than the well-being of, their 'flock'. They collected massive amounts of wealth and land, and sought to wield power over the political leaders

Sunday, July 12th, 2009, 09:53 PM
In a continuation of the Marxism in Catholicism Vatican 2 I should like to point out that a new paper was issued


which stresses that "Charity is at the heart of the Church's social doctrine." What is meant by charity is clearly spelled out in the paper, which blames all the world's problems on "rich countries" and calls upon them to develop the world, i.e., a global redistribution of wealth to pay for all of the world's education, food and housing, health care, and everything else they desire.

But this paper only echoes Pope Paul VI's Populorum Progressio of 1967


which opens with the line "The progressive development of peoples is an object of deep interest and concern to the Church." Now this paper is pure Marxism and an attack on the Western nations. It calls for "a new humanism," a "global development" and "global fund" ("It is a very important duty of the advanced nations to help the developing nations" demanding that "no nation may dare to hoard its riches for its own use alone"; nations must "contribute to the common development of the human race" and "train educators, engineers, technicians and scholars who will contribute their knowledge and their skill to these less fortunate countries").

It calls for an unfair trade which discriminates against "rich countries". It denounces "nationalism" and "racism" (i.e., the right to identity of person and nation) while claiming that people should be "artisans of their destiny"!!!

"Human society is sorely ill," it says, because of "the weakening of brotherly ties between individuals and nations." I suppose this is the VII's idea of "original sin."

To pound their point into your head it repeats, "We cannot insist too much on the duty of giving foreigners a hospitable reception...more and more families and hostels must open their doors to them. This must be done, first of all, that they may be shielded from feelings of loneliness, distress and despair that would sap their strength. It is also necessary so that they may be guarded against the corrupting influence of their new surroundings, where the contrast between the dire poverty of their homeland and the lavish luxury of their present surroundings is, as it were, forced upon them. And finally, it must be done so that they may be protected from subversive notions and temptations to violence, which gain headway in their minds when they ponder their wretched plight." Of course, it's all "the white man's fault!"

And again, "We are deeply distressed by what happens to many of these young people. They come to wealthier nations to acquire scientific knowledge, professional training, and a high-quality education that will enable them to serve their own land with greater effectiveness. They do get a fine education, but very often they lose their respect for the priceless cultural heritage of their native land."

It furthermore declares that "Development is the New Name for Peace," adding "Extreme disparity between nations in economic, social and educational levels provokes jealousy and discord, often putting peace in jeopardy."

Finally it calls for a "World Authority," saying "Such international collaboration among the nations of the world certainly calls for institutions that will promote, coordinate and direct it, until a new juridical order is firmly established and fully ratified. We give willing and wholehearted support to those public organizations that have already joined in promoting the development of nations, and We ardently hope that they will enjoy ever growing authority."

"Government leaders, your task is to draw your communities into closer ties of solidarity with all men, and to convince them that they must accept the necessary taxes on their luxuries and their wasteful expenditures in order to promote the development of nations and the preservation of peace."

It is really frustrating that many conservatives still support the Catholic church. I would urge them to formally quit the Church but remain Catholic in private.

Tuesday, July 14th, 2009, 12:24 AM
To summarize and conclude on the above posts:

The Populorum Progressio set a new standard for Catholic doctrine, distorting charity, hope, and peace into pure politics and a Marxist war against “rich nations” (the new “pagan nations”) demanding that the West develop the world. It calls for a “new humanism,” demanding a global redistribution of wealth to pay for all of the world’s infrastructure, education, food and housing, health care, and a slave labor by Westerners to achieve this. It asserts that “development is the new peace” demanding the impossible equalization of all nations. It calls for a dictatorial “world authority,” stating that it is the duty of governments to tax the people to death to provide for a “world fund” and “global development,” which is “the only hope for peace.” Finally, it calls for a total support for mass immigration and assistance to their every need.

The modern church, no longer a guiding beacon, has become a product of the times, whereby in this downward pull, as Tacitus records, “genius died with public liberty” and all that is left is sentimentalism, hence “moral philosophy is never so highly praised as when the manners are in a state of degeneracy”; yet this is a slave moral wholly unsuited to men of vocation, and it is only the wrecker of nations that would support it.

According to Schuon, “charity is not a sentimentalism that causes one to be blind to the objective differences of phenomena.” Religious charity, he says, “has become blurred in the consciousness of the majority of people, being replaced by social concepts having no connection with traditional truth”; moreover, “poverty, any more than illness or any other misery, does not carry with it in the sight of God any ‘right’ to impiety, displeasing as this may sound to religious demagogues who, under pressure of a materialist and atheistic environment, bow before this kind of blackmail.” There is no excuse for criminality or for a false global unity. Global development and mass migration is neither plausible nor desirable, and would only cause more problems than it purports to solve; far from a world peace, it is spawning more violence, destruction, hatred, and increasingly dangerous wars, which will consume entire continents if the progressive tide is not beaten back.

Saturday, July 18th, 2009, 03:31 PM
I hear that the pope fell down and broke his wrist. This must be a sign from God that he dislikes the Marxist trash that he wrote. :P

Wednesday, July 28th, 2010, 06:05 PM
The Papacy has been attacked by vengeful secularism, to the extent it feels hesistant to comment on world affairs. The sex scandals, especially, have hurt the Church's credibility. Unfortunately, the Pope is in retreat. These are dark days, indeed, for the Church, and for Western Man.