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Ulff
Sunday, March 28th, 2004, 10:54 AM
What is it?

Tommy Vercetti
Sunday, March 28th, 2004, 11:37 AM
What is it?

East Baltic race(where I supposedly belong :( ) may be produce of imagination of old anthropologists, or it can be used as definition for ugly and mean people

Odin Of Ossetia
Sunday, March 28th, 2004, 11:39 AM
What is it?




This is probably the most light blond and fair complexioned of all the races of mankinds, even more so than the Nordic race, at least as far as the pure members of this race are concerned (albeit many Nordids will probably find it very difficult to accept this).


From what I read in one book, it is a sort of "blond Alpine".



Its general characteristics are the following:



1) Tendency towards blond hair and fair complexion.


2) Stocky body (I guess that means lots of muscles, and not a very concentration-camp-like super slim figure, but not fat either).


3) Round face (not a narrow one like that of the Nordics).


4) Eyes, hmmm... I heard "they are supposed to be grey" or something like that, but probably comes in more colors.


5) Medium-sized nose.


6) The distance between eyes is greater than that found among the Nordics.


7) The height can vary from short to tall, and anything in-between. There is a false claim put forward by some that "East Baltics are short" but that is not surely true for all members of this race (just like not that many Nordics are tall either), and the physical appearance of the Lithuanian basketball team should put it to rest. :P


8) The head is (I think) brachycephalic.



Any other physical characteristics I have not mentioned???????????.....




Geographical concentration:



Originally found in Belarus-Lithuania-Poland area, where it acquired its definite blondism and fair complexion. Both the genuine Balts and Slavs are members of this race, which can be very generally divided into two sub-groups, the Baltic and the Slavic one.



Nowdays it is found in the highest concentrations in North-Eastern Europe, but is also found more often in South-Eastern Europe, eastern Germany, Austria, the Netherlands, England, Scandinavia, and the former Soviet Union. Also lesser concentrations are in the rest of Europe, North and South America, South Africa, probably still some other "unlikely" areas like Turkey, Kurdistan, and etc., and you can read on this page why:


http://michalw.narod.ru/SlavicSpain.html



Personally, I suspect that many people who think of themselves as "Nordids" are in fact East Baltic. I feel this is especially the case with the numerous "Slavic Nordids" that sign-up on Skadi as such. Should we classify these guys as racial traitors? Personally, I would.



A lot of people are also partially East Baltic (including probably myself :) ) because this race diffused over a long time into many areas outside its original homeland.



I must also point out that this race is perhaps the most slandered and under-appreciated of all the European races; to a large degree because of the Nordic/Teutonic supremacist bias. The East Baltic race is viewed as a competitor to be eradicated by the Nordic-supremacists.

Odin Of Ossetia
Sunday, March 28th, 2004, 11:54 AM
By the way,


To the area with the highest concentration of the East Baltics should also be added, most of southern Russia along with much of the Asian part of this country.




As concerns the widespread slander of this race, an excellent example of this has been provided above by a certain retarded poster who goes by the forum name of haviaja.

Tommy Vercetti
Sunday, March 28th, 2004, 11:58 AM
As concerns the widespread slander of this race, an excellent example of this has been provided above by a certain retarded poster who goes by the forum name of haviaja.

Why are you insulting me?

Odin Of Ossetia
Sunday, March 28th, 2004, 12:01 PM
Don't ask silly and cynical questions.


And why did you insulted so blatantly an entire race?


Perhaps your egocentric self feels more "important and worthy" than an entire race of millions of people?

Tommy Vercetti
Sunday, March 28th, 2004, 12:07 PM
Don't ask silly and cynical questions.


And why did you insulted so blatantly an entire race?




This forum is about race and it's okay to tell one's opinion about race, But personal attaks is against forum rules.So watch your mouth.

Ulff
Sunday, March 28th, 2004, 12:56 PM
Thanks for all informations

Angelcynn Beorn
Monday, March 29th, 2004, 12:30 AM
From SNPA: http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/index2.htm

East Baltic

Description:

East Baltics are large-headed, blond sub-brachycephals (c.i. 80-83) of a composite type, among which may frequently be found individuals of strong Nordic, Ladogan, and Borreby affiliation. Although the East Baltic is a highly variable racial type, it is distinguished from other local types by an often quite easily recognizable phenotype.

East Baltics are large-bodied compared to their neighbors the Neo-Danubians, but they otherwise share a number of typically Ladogan traits with the latter: the round-tipped and snub nose, for which the East Baltic in particular has been noted; the often square-shaped face; the steep forehead; the rounded cranial vault. In addition to these features, East Baltics are commonly large- and broad-faced and wide-jawed, with laterally prominent malars, a Lappish-like Ladogan speciality which is only moderately developed in the Neo-Danubian type.

With regards to pigmentation, the East Baltic type as a whole is blonder than any typically Scandinavian population, and the combination of ash-blond hair and gray eyes seems to be a local specialty, one which is shared with the Neo-Danubians and with many relatively unmixed Ladogans. There exists, however, among the East Baltics a notable brunet faction not to be disregarded.


Also try this page off of SNPA. http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/index2.htm


Basically the EB's are slightly shorter, heavier set, broader headed and possibly more lightly pigmented than Nordics. There an UP race closely related to Ladogans.

Odin Of Ossetia
Monday, March 29th, 2004, 07:26 AM
Back in November of 2002 there was a brief discussion on the alleged "Neo-Danubian race".

Here is what a certain poster called Ross wrote about it:


"The so called "Neo-Danubian" type doesn't exist. It was invented by Coon but nobody supported him."



I tend to agree with what that posted stated. The so-called "Neo-Danubians" are nothing more than East Baltics.


Just also wanted to add that:


1) Yes, the East Baltics also have blue and other eye colors.

2) Besides the Nordics, the other race that features a narrow face are the (believe it or not) Meds!




http://michalw.narod.ru/SlavicSpain.html

Odin Of Ossetia
Monday, March 29th, 2004, 07:39 AM
Here is what a certain poster called Galvez has to say about the alleged "Ladogans":


"The Ladogan legend is used by Germanic racialists to put Slavs down and to assert their racial dominance in the Nordish movement, by emphasizing that Slavs are at best peripheral and second-class, albeit somewhat accepted in some cases. This is pure defamation that only a deracinated Slav or fake-Slav would tolerate. "Ladogan" must be removed from the vocabulary of Germanic racialists if they want to gain a little more credibility, unless they refer to exceptional cases which can even be observed in Western Europe and who exist in their beloved and racially questionable movement." - Galvez



Again, I totally agree with what Galvez wrote.

Angelcynn Beorn
Monday, March 29th, 2004, 08:02 PM
So according to you neither the Neo-Danubian race nor tha Ladogan race exists? What then makes up the peoples of eastern Europe, and where did the Danubians disappear too? To try and say that all the blond brachycephals in eastern Europe are of a single type is stretching the classification to an extraordinary degree.

Glenlivet
Monday, March 29th, 2004, 08:42 PM
It is a term first coined (as Östbaltiska rasen, also called souse race nord-orientale) by the Finnish-Swedish anthropologist Rolf Nordenstreng. The type sure exist but may be more localised to Finland and Estonia than people usually think. It is not really short headed like German/Swiss/Austrian Alpinids. The CI is on average 81 to 83. What is interesting to find out is the relation between East Baltid and Aisto-Nordid.

Nordenstreng himself clearly stated that in the East Baltid he does not see any Mongoloid at all, and that it is totally independent from that. He said that it is another thing if some East Baltid individuals show Mongoloid traits - as well as among predominantly Nordid or Alpinid or Dinarid.

The sub race does exist, according to Hildén easternwards among the Teleuts in Altai, and southernwards to Bulgaria; in Hungary it plays an important role. Nordenstreng also wrote that "ett inte så obetydligt östbaltiskt inslag gör sig gällande i det eljes övervägande nordiska svenska folket." (meaning a not so insignificant East Baltid element make itself present in the otherwise predominantly Nordid Swedish folk). Many Swedish anthropologists blame this on Finnish immigrants. But it is difficult with the element in Northern Uppland. There is of course a bigger chance to see an East Baltid face in Stockholm than in Malmö, Halmstad and Helsingborg. It is easier when it comes to the Finns in Värmland or ethnic Finns in Northeastern Sweden.

Montandon and Haddon count a proto-Nordid racial element in northern and central Asia, not another blond race there. Nordenstreng disagree that such a long headed Nordid type existed.

cruhmann
Tuesday, March 30th, 2004, 03:26 AM
There is absolutely a Neo-Danubian subrace. It is smaller bodied and smaller head than East Baltic, and occurs to the south of it. Many southern Poles, Ukrainians, Slovaks and Byelorussians belong to it, as well as some Finnic groups, while a dinaricized form occurs among Slovenes and some Croats, as well as among the groups previously mentioned. It is simply Danubian + Ladogan, whereas East Baltic is Danubian + Ladogan + Borreby, with sometimes Corded (Volksdeutscher's Aistin?) and/or Hallstatt elements. Hallstatt Nordic is Danubian + Corded. The East Baltic is a variable type, depending on the amount of the component types in the blend. Compare a southeast Pole with one from the Baltic Sea area, and you will see the difference. The Baltic Sea Pole will be taller, heavier, and square-faced. Both East Baltic and Neo-Danubian are predominantly grey-eyed and ash-blond or ash-brown hair, but East Baltics also sometimes have blue eyes and golden or golden-brown hair (from Borreby and/or Corded side). Hallstatts can be either type of blond or a mix of both, (ash/golden/medium brown hair, blue/grey/blue-grey eyes) since they have Danubian and Corded elements. The East Baltic type is most common in Esthonia, Lithuania, Latvia, northern Poland and parts of Finland, and extends into northeast Germany, where it occurs sporadically in a population that is mostly of the Faelic (Phaelish), with more of the Borreby element than in other Faelic areas.

Ulff
Tuesday, March 30th, 2004, 11:16 AM
Have you got any photos?

Glenlivet
Tuesday, March 30th, 2004, 05:15 PM
Also read http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=8781



It is simply Danubian + Ladogan, whereas East Baltic is Danubian + Ladogan + Borreby, with sometimes Corded (Volksdeutscher's Aistin?) and/or Hallstatt elements.