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vimaranes81
Friday, October 11th, 2002, 02:30 PM
I'm also into those theories of extra-terrestrial origins and it all started out by reading Erich von Däniken. If interested we can swap points of view

kaleun
Friday, October 11th, 2002, 07:21 PM
I have made comments on these things before, but no-one took me up on them.
So...

Current thinking suggests that man originated in Africa. This would account for the African races, but not, in my view, for the Caucasian. The problem is associated with the lack of skeletal evidence.

Why is it lacking? If the white races were around at the same time or earlier - then where are the traces of their civilisations?

The answer is most likely to be time and catastrophe. there is ample evidence of great catastrophes which have changed the world (the extinction of the dinosaurs springs to mind) and legends of lost civilisations (Atlantis, Lemuria, Mu etc) which suggest that evidence has been destroyed by catastrophes, including the Biblical Flood. recent discoveries of buildings off the coasts of the continents indicate there is much lost to us and vanished worlds of which we know little.

Rock survives, stone buildings survive, but artefacts and metals rot away in the seas; we have only to look at the remains of boats and sunken tanks and guns and aircraft from the last war to see how everything is eaten away or covered over. Then we realise how there can be nothing left of any ancient civilisation that rose and fell before recorded history apart from its legends and traces of its language.

I cite Atlantis to point out that legends such as this, which surely have some basis in fact, represent race memories of past civilisations. The Egyptians had records of civilisations of which we know nothing.

This is to set the scene.

I suggest that there are no skeletal records of races other than the African because the lands where these would have been found have all disapperared.

Just think for a minute - some great catastrophe, such as an asteroid strike - knocks out all our power stations, destroying all our communications and all devices run by electricity, leaving us all to fend for ourselves. How many of us would know what to do? No electrics, no gas, no phones, no banks, no supermarkets - we whi rely so much on our machines and our mechanised computerised world - we would be at a disadvantage compared with all thse who have none of these things. They would survive better than we. And if we were all washed away? The primitives would retain memories of other, more powerful, races who were like gods and wielded the powers of gods ...

I await your reactions; but I have more to say on this subject, if you are willing to read; in particular I wish to continue the idea of extra-terrestrial seeding of Earth, whether deliberate or by accident.

GreenHeart
Friday, October 11th, 2002, 07:36 PM
I believe this idea of Atlantis, and it interests and intrigues me to no end. I have read what Plato had to say but is there anyone else who can tell me more about our lost civilizations?

Kaotiksoul6sic6
Saturday, October 12th, 2002, 02:21 PM
They would survive better than we. And if we were all washed away? The primitives would retain memories of other, more powerful, races who were like gods and wielded the powers of gods ...

that is the best way to look at it ive ever heard ive never heard anyone put it like that if atlantis was real that is probably the way it was that is cool i know look at the story of atlantis in a different way

P.S should this be in the science forum?

kaleun
Saturday, October 12th, 2002, 07:30 PM
Originally posted by Kaotiksoul6sic6




P.S should this be in the science forum?

Maybe - but a lot of what I suggest is theory and hypothesis and has not yet been proved.

Anyway, let me continue ...

An extra-terrestrial vehicle lands on earth. Its occupants make contact with the inhabitants. These extra-terrestrials will presumably be much much more advanced, bigger, better fed etc.:
"There were giants in those days"
and would be looked upon as Gods - or maybe the Captain was God and his crew the "Sons of God", or his attendant "angels" (especially if they had backpacks enabling them to fly about).
With me so far?

Seeing the poor Earth-born material the Captain decides to do a bit of genetic engineering...
maybe makes a mess of it? ("monsters"), but then gets it right and creates humanoids with the ability to think.

At his point I was going to add some Bible quotations, but I'll do it later. You get the drift - creation - Adam and Eve - etc.

Why did the extra-terrestrials come? There are two scenarios:
a) deliberate looking for new planet
b) accidental (crashing) on planet,
maybe as a result of a war between different "Gods".
and you can probably see where this is leading.

(Tea is ready; I shall post more later)

Kaotiksoul6sic6
Sunday, October 13th, 2002, 05:59 PM
that is wierd but it may have some truth to it alot of the people i hang out with think like that that the whites were created or started by aliens

Stríbog
Sunday, October 13th, 2002, 08:07 PM
I have always been interested in ancient and vanished civilizations. I have always looked for a way to combine my racialism with my interest in the paranormal and unexplained. I am glad that so many here are willing to consider these unorthodox theories. As far as extraterrestrial contact with humans, I believe the stronget evidence exists in ancient Egypt and ancient Peru. In Peru, the Nazca lines are perfectly straight lines along large flat desert expanses, lines that resemble an airfield and are so large that they are only visible from the air. In addition, there are huge carvings on the nearby rock outcroppings that resemble astronauts. In Egypt, the perfect symmetry and precision of the pyramids suggests a workmanship far more advanced than what should be expected from that age. The pyramids also are oriented with an astronomical/astrological significance, as is the Sphinx. To some, this has implied extraterrestrial contact. I have to cut this short now, but I will try and post more on this subject soon.

kaleun
Sunday, October 13th, 2002, 09:47 PM
Good. I think we have the basis now for a good discussion. I will post more when I get the time.

vimaranes81
Tuesday, October 15th, 2002, 04:03 PM
First of all, I'd like to thank you all who ansewered my thread! I must say that I wasn't expecting much input and am really glad to find people thinking in simmilar ways to mine:) .
Secondly, all those tales about how the Nephilim, finding earthly women beautiful, had intercourse with them gaving birth to a new breed, making their leader angry, are a very important source of information. Furthemore, the Baalbeck ruins are an impostant link to tose matters and I think that the Gilgamesh (or Utanapishtin) story reveals also contacts with outter peoples.
Some Sumerians believed that a fish-man god was the introducer of civilisation, wich makes me instantly think about some kind of under sea craft that brought the Gods! As von List said, the pouplar forms of wisdom retain the truth in allegories, fairytales and other stories, while only the initiated know fully the truth, which applies here for the coming of the gods was registred as a fable and explained in terms easily understandable by the common people.
Though not being a follower of Blavatsky, I think she had a point when talking about different levels of races, which were destroyed by many probable causes. The bramanic traditions in the Sanskrit literature talk clearly of weapons with such a devastating power with effects simmilar to our nuclear weapons, and also about flying vehicle (Garudas ans Vimanas) that degladiated in the sky!
Also read in a book called "meditations of a Guru" that stated early Egypt to have been located in America, for both Egypts are the land of the eagle! One of the most known knowledges of the Egyptians was connected with Atlantis, that the ruins in Bimini and surroundings seem to constitute a remnant. The Egyptian dead were always buried on the west bank of the Nile because this way their souls were on the side of their ancient land.
One must not forget to mention Tiahuanaco, Easter island, the Pacific ruins, the Japanese shore ruins or Agarthy/Shambalah but time is little...

kaleun
Tuesday, October 15th, 2002, 07:37 PM
Originally posted by vimaranes81

those tales about how the Nephilim, finding earthly women beautiful, had intercourse with them giving birth to a new breed, making their leader angry, are a very important source of information.
NB - I think this must have followed the original seeding uhless we assume that the original (Earth-born) inhabitants of Earth were comely to look at (and if they were African I think this might not exactly apply ...)


Some Sumerians believed that a fish-man god was the introducer of civilisation, wich makes me instantly think about some kind of under sea craft that brought the Gods!
Submarines? Why not - as others suggest there were aircraft of some sort.
Question: could it be that this records a visit by a civilisation already on Earth but destroyed (viz Atlantis) submarines, Arks... I think there are two threads here, one the original visitation and then the later catastrophes and colonisations (after all look at the Bushmen, the Australian Aborigines and the White civilisations in modern times, existing side by side).



the coming of the gods was registred as a fable and explained in terms easily understandable by the common people.
and that is why we can accept parts of the Bible without making a fuss about its Jewish origins because it is after all just an attempt to explain Man's origins and interpret what happened. What about the prophet whoi was "taken up into Heaven and shown the Earth"? his description sounds like that of an astronaut.


The bramanic traditions in the Sanskrit literature talk clearly of weapons with such a devastating power with effects simmilar to our nuclear weapons, and also about flying vehicle (Garudas and Vimanas)
which again suggests that there were many advanced civilisations about which we know nothing (mind you is it advanced to destroy each other?! with the "Thunderfeat" which sounds like an A-Bomb!


but time is little...

Never mind, I think we have enough to go on for the moment. I used to have many books on the subject, but have lent out so many that never came back that I now have none of them and must rely on memory to spin my theories - and memory plays tricks at times.

We can begin, though, to set out some basic suggestions about Man's origins which contradict the currently accepted set.

Stríbog
Tuesday, October 15th, 2002, 09:39 PM
You are right that Madame Blavatsky had some good points. While I do not agree with everything she said, it is good to remember that she regarded the Jew as the enemy of true spirituality, and that she indirectly influenced Hitler through the Thule Society, which had some Theosophist members I believe. There was an obnoxious book written called "The Nazis and the Occult." Its basic premise was that National Socialism had its roots in age-old occult practices, everything from Atlantean theories to the Rosicrucians, Knights Templar and various Gnostic sects, to Theosophy. The book basically sought to discredit both National Socialism and the occult with one fell swoop, and was written with a blatant Judaic bias both politically and religiously. For me, though, it had the opposite effect: I have been drawn to both National Socialism and the unexplained, and to see the two linked simply reinforced the validity of both for me. :)
Anyway, about possible contact, the story of Golden Spheres descending from Heaven in Ezekiel is a possible narrative of this. You have already mentioned the Ark/Gilgamesh/Utnapishtim stories, so I won't go into them here. I refer people back to the other paranormal threads here, in which I mentioned the P'iri Reis map, a map of the Antarctic coastline *beneath the ice.* The maker of the map (a Turkish admiral) said, circa 1519, that he used incredibly old sources, from the time of Alexander the Great, which had in turn been copied from even older sources. The last time Antarctica was ice-free was sometime prior to 6000 BC, before the dawn of civilization as we know it, and certainly long before technology able to make such a map was developed. This would imply some kind of highly advanced civilization which subsequently disappeared for reasons unknown. I am quite convinced that there were one or more super-civilizations prior to recorded history. Whether they arose through extraterrestrial contact I am not sure, but I am open to that possibility.

kaleun
Wednesday, October 16th, 2002, 11:45 AM
I would suggest that "God" as Creator is actually a human being who manipulated the genes of Earth humanoids in such a way as to create homo sapiens.
This takes care of many "Creator" stories of different nations.

Then we have the "culture-bearers", such as Thoth in the Egyptian stories; I suggest these are other (extra-terrestrial) humans who came to teach the humans of Earth. (And this would explain also why the Incas and others expected their Gods to be white with beards...)

So far, so good?

vimaranes81
Wednesday, October 16th, 2002, 04:10 PM
There are also other hypothesis that can be of some relevance in what origins are concerned. One must not forget that there are also theories deffending that the planets are empty, existing another "Earth" inside, occupying the inner side of Earth's soil, having a sun inside that illuminates them, having admiral Byrd entered that region when flying above the pole. There are too many intraterrestrial legends that can lead to it. Also Agarthi and Shambalah are intraterrestrial kingdoms...
Furthermore there can be also entrances to another dimensions like in the Bermuda Traingle or the Devil's Triangle in the Pacific.
Hans Hoerbiger spoke, influenced by Blavatsky's theories, of the fallen moons that annihilated several human species...
Regarding the Nazis, it's true that the Thule Gesselschaft played an important role, but Austrians like Guido von List and Jorg Lanz von Lebenfelds had a more direct influence in Hitler's formation, specially von Lebenfelds that through his publication "Ostara" transmited many esotherical and nationalistic ideas, and Hitler bought that magazine. Dietrich Eckart, one of Hitler's mentors was also into the occult... Himmler's SS were organized quite like a monastic order, probably in sequence of von Lebenfelds Ordo Novi Templi, a New Knights Templar Order, which had many esotherical links. Also the principals of Eugenics in what creating a new race was concerned, came from von List and von Lebenfelds ideas, of creating special places where Aryans could have reproductive intercourse in order to preserve, develop and improve the White race.
About the biblical Old Testament, there's also a referrence to a space craft which appeared to one of the prophets (also Ezekiel, if my memory serves me well) and that a technician from the NASA reconstructed trough the description made on the Bible.
About Piri Reis Map and the other map by a friar (whose name I can't recall) representing pre-icing Antharctica, they are one of the most evident proofs of the existence of a superior civilization on earth, be it terrestrial, intraterrestrial or extraterretrial (from this or another dimension).
About the Nephilim, if they considered the women beautiful, I'm inclined to think that the events aren't prior to the genetic manipulation that it might have occurred, otherwise, if God created men resembling Him, it couldn't have happened that the Nephilim thought the apes to be beautiful, or else they were all preverted!...
I do agree that there were two different kinds of superior visitations: the ones made by extra-terrestrials and the others made by the superior/developped races that inherited wisdom from those early visitors. This doesn't implies that the extra-terrestrials didn't appeared or interveened more than once throughout the ages.
There are too many topics and matters that can be discussed later on. I do agree with Kaleun and we should try to focus, for the time being, in Human origins, thouhg I think that all matters are closely related.
At one determinated moment of time, menkind was created. As a sort of a joke, one might say that if the fossile registers show that certain apes appeared before others, there were experiments done unsuccessfully. The only one that proved to work was the Cro-Magnon. But I guess that only to the ones that became Cro-Magon were made experiments and the others might be earthly products (with some experiment, perhaps). Also I've read somewhere that it might have happened that different extra-terrestrials either experimented different apes or that different ones colonised the earth, being the niggers the sole descendents of the monkeys! But it seems not very probable to me because all the descriptions done about the extra-terretrials depict them in ways that the only ones with simmilar earthly races are the whites!...
What do you reckon abou it?

kaleun
Friday, October 25th, 2002, 08:17 AM
The origins of man on Earth...

We have two possibilities
(a) basic man evolved quite naturally from the primates
(b) basic man was engineered by outsiders

and two other possibiities for the origins of the white races:

(c) they arrived by accident (crash-landed) and became the gods and kings - stayed and created cultures
(d) they came and set the wheels in motion and then came back to check on progress

Comments?

vimaranes81
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 02:26 PM
According to the many legends and tales existing all around the world, together with both the ancient and modern U.F.O. phenomenon, I think that, in what c) and d) are concerned, both are correct though probably they didn't occurred simultaneously. For some obscure reason, be it inner clashes between the race of the gods (as in many mythologies it is referred) or too deep mixing with their creations, the first gods either went away (promissing to return, as many legends state) or gave birth to a new breed that after their life span finished replaced them and took upon themselves the name of "sons of god". Of course that to the common people they would still be seen as gods and only the inniciated knew the truth (the elits way of maintaining power). Maybe the expelling from Paradise just let us know that after a period of observation in the facilities of their creators, the created ones were "set free" into the wilderness. Some major sin might have occurred to provoque that but, nevertheless, some entities felt sorry for those children and taught them the rudiments of Civilization and lived among them as rullers.
After the disappearing of their masters, and probably after a war so devastating, the gods decided to withdraw, appearing only sporadically and controlling the develloping of their creations.
The Evolutionist theory doesn't explains very well the gaps and the major sudden evolutive steps. This, together with legends, may lead us into Interventionism. Of course that to what extent and if all races suffered the same degree of mutation, that is a good question. Any opinions?

JohnWBooth
Tuesday, December 17th, 2002, 05:56 AM
My opinion (in a nutshell)...

There are some great points brought up. Darwin's theory has too many holes, 85% of their "proof" has too many holes.
The bible is based on pagen myths, every story in it.
The "Gods" were not of this earth. With the trillions of planets out there, & our own little "Milky Way" being relativly young (in a cosmic time frame) I think it to be an act of great ignorance to ignore the possabilities...

Rudra Chai Siphra
Saturday, December 28th, 2002, 05:55 AM
My father thinks along similar lines, and it could be valid, the concept of panspermia(sp?) gives that idea an evolutionary twist, giving both concepts the yes idea.


:Magician

cosmocreator
Saturday, December 28th, 2002, 05:07 PM
Originally posted by JohnWBooth
My opinion (in a nutshell)...

There are some great points brought up. Darwin's theory has too many holes, 85% of their "proof" has too many holes.
The bible is based on pagen myths, every story in it.
The "Gods" were not of this earth. With the trillions of planets out there, & our own little "Milky Way" being relativly young (in a cosmic time frame) I think it to be an act of great ignorance to ignore the possabilities...

Many of the stories in the Bible where stolen from Sumerian beliefs. Isn't it just like the Jews to destroy a culture and then claim their beliefs.

vimaranes81
Monday, December 30th, 2002, 07:41 PM
True it is that the jews stole most of the Bible's knowledge from the other peoples they that were unfortuned enough to be in contact with them: the Egyptians, the Mesopotamians, the Persians, the Hititians, the Filisteens ...

Rudra Chai Siphra
Tuesday, December 31st, 2002, 08:27 PM
well hey that just means they are good at one thing .... theft..

Von Braun
Wednesday, February 5th, 2003, 10:24 AM
Let's say we were somewhat more advanced than we are now and wanted to seek out intelligent life elsewhere. For all of those who think we were visited, please explain to me how one would detect life from light years away, with millions of neighboring stars to choose from. Indeed, one can use super advanced optics to detect planets and spectral analysis to tell the chemical makeup of that planet's atmosphere, but there is no way one could detect pre-radio technology intelligent lifeforms (that I can possibly imagine) from light years away and amongst a backdrop of so many other stars. Think about the math and the physics people.

waterdrinker
Friday, February 7th, 2003, 03:43 AM
There's a hypothesis that there are many parallel universes and that gravity seems weaker than other forces because the other forces stay within one universe, but gravity leaks into the other, parallel universes.

If that hypothesis is correct, then it may be possible to send messages to parallel universes simply by moving masses around in a patterned manner.

If there aren't parallel universes, then how does quantum computing work?

Katinkatze
Saturday, May 3rd, 2003, 02:38 PM
coming to read all these theories assuch makes a big convulsion of thought arouse. i myself still stick to the ideology that human evolved from primates...that seems like the most scientifically and theoretically correct point of view.
But, when you start reading about all these ancient civilisations, one starts to think how did it REALLY all happen. Atlantis as a first seems like one of the greatest civilisations and coutries ever... theories over theories have concluded that this MUST have existed in one point or another... problem is where? obv, as Kaleun stated they must have lost all traces of this magnificent city coz of the way everything deteriorates by time. But then again...wasnt this just a legend passed on from time to time and generation to generation? well...maybe.
Well about these extra terrestrial theories... hmmm... lets say im abit sceptic really, but i guess subconsciously one no matter how sceptic still seems to believe in these things... now one may say i've watched too much tv or something but havent many thought of how on earth did the Egyptians build those massive pyramids and monuments by bare hands??? and nowadays we hardly manage to make a story high building/monument that lasts more than a few years??? the question keeps bothering me...
There MUST have been some sort of a weird and damn smart civilisation back then... they must have had all sorts of advanced technologies to have aided these things to have formed, maybe as someone said before, they might have come from somewere out of earth, and eventually left earth coz they'd have done what they had to, be it that they came here with a purpose of not.
but again... what seems most irrational is, why on earth dont we find anything that could prove anything really if there did come these extraterrestial lives down on earth? maybe they didnt want to be remembered thus made sure they didnt leave any traces of what they actually did here or why they left? or are there traces on earth to prove their existence and we just fail to notice them? the eternal question always arises... was this all true or is it just another legend? i guess its all upto the individual to believ in ones own theory... be it what it is.

vimaranes88
Wednesday, May 14th, 2003, 11:13 AM
well, they are rememberred in legends and through oral traditions all over the world, many of them simmilar, though told in different ways according to the different peoples. The Mayans and Incas had the same legend concerning a White God that would return, and that left after having taught them the rudiments of civilisation. Arguebly, it can also refer to Whites taht once were there and civilized them, leaving after an unknown period of time and promising that they would be back.
It wasn't only due to the divisions inside the Aztec and Inca empires (they were still in formation process, having just recently incorporated many territories and peoples that were eager to help the Spanish when they arrived) that a handful of men conquered those huge territories but because also the "natives" believed them to be the gods returning.

germany
Monday, June 23rd, 2003, 12:58 PM
What do you guys think of the ancient runways for supposedly planes or some sort of flying thing that have been found?You cant see them from the ground,only the air.That really makes a person think.I think there somewhere in South America,Im sure there on other continents too though.

Anyone ever read "Chariots of the Gods"?I have heard its pretty interesting.It supposedly offers proof that the white race really is from another planet.

We really are so unbelievably superior to every other race on this planet that stuff like this isnt so far fetched.

vimaranes88
Monday, June 23rd, 2003, 09:15 PM
Many signes are only visible from the air not only in the Nazca plaine but also in other parts of Peru and around the world. Also, crop signes/circles are only visible from the air in their full patterns. Furthermore, and probably more interesting, there are also the Piri Raïs maps that show the world viewed from the air in a time that only birds flew...
Chariots of the Gods is a good book though I've read it many years ago, so I can't recall exactly what were the assumptions asserted there. Nevertheless I do recomend it strongly!

White Iceland
Wednesday, December 29th, 2004, 06:03 PM
I know more about this sort of theorizing from William Dudley Pelley than any other source. Pelley writes about the "Migration of Souls" from a distant galaxy in prehistoric times. It is best explained in his book Star Guests which you can occassionally turn up on www.bookfinder.com (http://www.bookfinder.com)

Dr. Solar Wolff
Thursday, December 30th, 2004, 12:55 AM
Extra-terrestrial means not of this earth. There is no doubt that life exists out there somewhere. The question is: Has extraterrestrial life ever visited earth? As far as I know, there is no evidence for this. Some say life itself came from an source outside the earth. This argument begs the basic question: How did life begin? Just saying it originated elsewhere doesn't explain the mechanism, it just postpones or diverts the argument. For those that say extraterrestrial life somehow "interbred" with terrestrial life and so influenced it, I have a question: What is the evidence that any extraterrestrial life has what we call DNA? Without DNA there is no influence of terrestrial life, regardless of all the barriers to reproduction biology has taught us.

Nuovo Vesuvio
Saturday, January 1st, 2005, 02:21 PM
What created our reality is a source consciousness based at the great pyramid in Giza. (Note all the other wonders of the world have long been destroyed and this one, the oldest still remains intact). The Great pyramid also has 12 other smaller pyramids surrounding it in patterns of sacred geometry. The pyramid is connectet to the star constellations...sirius, orion.

I dont know where aliens came from, but the grey martian type ones with big eyes - to me they are the 'watchers.' They watch over us in some way.

Someone said about Atlantis, this is what Confucious says, he is one of the great ascended masters.

Metaphysically speaking, the souls who dwelled in my land of Zou
where of Lemurian background.


When the 'Cycle of Time' that was Lemuria ended
and the new 'Cycle of Existence' began - it was called Atlantis.
Many souls incarnated in Atlantis.

When that 'Cycle of Time' ended
we moved into the next program of time
where we became the 'yellow race'.

#what he is saying is that each period of reign is like a program. Atlantis, ancient Egypt etc. When the program ends, a new one begins. Atlanteans were very evolved spiritual beings.

Hrafn
Friday, May 12th, 2006, 09:06 PM
A few pictures of possible early extraterrestrial contact:

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/foetussm.jpg

This is said to be the mummified corpse of a foetus. Doesn't look very human, does it?

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/etenlargement.jpg

http://www.ufos-aliens.co.uk/hieroplanes.gif

Planes?

http://astro.wsu.edu/worthey/astro/html/im-ufo/im-aliens/aliens18.jpg

Definetly a UFO.

Gorm the Old
Saturday, May 13th, 2006, 03:47 AM
So many points and so many theories have been raised, that I shall confine my discussion to only two of them. Intraterrestrial worlds are a geophysical impossibility. The Earth cannot be hollow. The force of gravity at the surface is what it would be if the Earth were composed mostly of ferromagnesian silicates and aluminosilicates, with a core of iron alloyed with nickel. If the Earth's interior were hollow, gravity would be so weak that we would leap tens of metres at each step. Given the known gravitational force at the Earth's surface and the known strength of crustal rocks, if any large part of the Earth's interior were hollow, the crust would implode, being unable to support its own weight. Earthquakes set up vibrations in the Earth's interior known as seismic waves. Some of these vibrations can be transmitted only by solids; others can be transmitted by liquids as well. These vibrations pass through the Earth's interior to the other side. They can do this only if the Earth's interior is composed of solid and liquid materials. There can be no voids because the seismic waves could not pass through them. Erich von Däniken erects vast structures of speculation on the foundation of a very small amount of factrual evidence and then supports them by what I call the "method of progressive concession." It works like this. He gets the reader to agree that something could be true. For example, if a savage saw a space ship with its long glowing exhaust plumes, isn't is possible that he might describe it as a fiery dragon ? Well, sure, that could be true. Now, he never offers any further evidence for this, but watch closely what he does. Much later in the book, he mentions a dragon again and adds (perhaps a space ship ?). The next time he refers to it, though, he says something like "As we have seen, a fiery dragon represents an alien space ship." When he refers to a dragon again, though he has , in no way, provided any further evidence in favor of the idea, he now assumes it as valid. A dragon, that is, a space ship.........Von Däniken's books provide countless examples of this kind of "reasoning." I've addressed the question of extraterrestrial life and intelligence before, so I'll just point out that the odds against our detecting it are (pun intentional) astronomical. Broadcasting radio waves is an extremely wasteful way of using them for communication. We are already using tight beams of radio waves relayed by satellites for many types of communication. In a century, it will be impossible for intelligent extraterrestrial life-forms to detect OUR existence. Yet, it has been only about a century since Guglielmo Marconi, infinging upon Nicola Tesla's patents, transmitted the letter "s" (...) across the Atlantic Ocean. The age of radio broadcasting is already nearly over. How likely is it that we can catch an alien civilization (if any) in that short episode of its technological history ?..... Nonetheless, there are, indeed mysteries on this planet. Does anyone here know about the monumental basalt ruins at Ponape Nan Matal (or Pohnpe Nan Madol), which are unlike anything else in the entire Pacific basin ?

Dr. Solar Wolff
Saturday, May 13th, 2006, 06:21 AM
Snorri, Great post and great information. I would rather have you go on and explain/describe the Ponape Nan Matal than discuss extraterrestrials.

I have seen pictures of these ruins on TV and heard what was said about them. It is said that they were built on artificial islands by a huge labor force and that sometime later they were abandoned. I believe David Hatcher Childress has written a book covering these ruins but I have not read it. He did a series of "lost civilization" books.

Also, I have a couple geologic questions, if you would be so kind:

Question 1: Somewhere just recently some said or told me that the Sierra Nevada Mountains constitute the largest granite formation in the world. Is that true?

Question 2: There is a theory (forget its name but I am sure you know of it) which says that crude oil is was not formed from the bodies of ancient organisms (under heat and pressure) but formed inorganically by some other method as yet not known to science. They cite oil discoveries where their should not be oil. Stormfront has an ongoing discussion which sometimes touches upon this subject. What do you think of this theory?

Theudiskaz
Saturday, May 13th, 2006, 06:49 AM
Is anyone familiar with the book The God Kings and The Titans; The New World Ascendancy? I read it in junior high and don't remember much about it but it seems like it would be up your alley. :) http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/images/slides/gods2.jpg&imgrefurl=http://www.goldenageproject.org.uk/67Godkings2.html&h=438&w=170&sz=25&tbnid=KDBMem12KO4i0M:&tbnh=123&tbnw=47&hl=en&start=2&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dgod%2Bkings%2Band%2Bthe%2Bt itans%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26lr%3D%26s a%3DN

Gorm the Old
Sunday, May 14th, 2006, 04:17 AM
Dr. Wolff, I really don't know if the Sierra Nevada is the largest granitic massif in the world. It may well be. It is composed of granitic rock, that is rock similar in composition to granite but distinguished from it by some mineralogical differences. These include (inter alia) true granite, quartz monzonite, granodiorite, and silicic diorite. The Sierra Nevada massif is not chemically or mineralogically homogeneous....... Why in the world would someone search for a far-fetched unknown mechanism for the origin of petroleum when there is no significant evidence against the existing hypothesis that it is produced from hydrocarbons driven out of the bodies of organisms buried in sedimentary rocks and subjected to heat and pressure, essentially destructive distillation ? The fact that petroleum is now found in unsuitable host rocks does not mean that it was FORMED there. Petroleum is very volatile and easily displaced by tectonic stresses. It is found wherever it has come to rest. I have no contact now with recent geochemical literature, but there may well be studies of carbon isotopes in petroleum which would settle the question of its putatively biogenic origin.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Sunday, May 14th, 2006, 11:21 PM
Thanks for the detailed response on the Sierras and abiotic oil. I think it was a Swedish guy who came up with this abiotic oil theory many years ago. His whole pitch was centered around finding oil where it just shouldn't be. Perhaps nobody ever brought up the possibility that the oil just flowed in from somewhere else. It seems logical. The big arguement against this idea in my mind was that coal, related to petroleum, does sometimes contain fossils within it which indicate its origin.