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Dukagjin
Wednesday, February 14th, 2007, 05:28 PM
Hello to all!
this would be my first post in this forums.

Here are some pictures of Albanian dinarics

http://img259.imageshack.us/img259/3547/copertinanw9.jpg
IMO this two warriors are ultra dinarics tall and mean lookin faces straight from mountains

http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/663/isaboletiniwx4.jpg
this is not so good picture but you can see the tallnes

http://img163.imageshack.us/img163/6194/prekcali2pq3.jpg
this man is propably 2metters tall and very dinaric

http://img253.imageshack.us/img253/6502/211914albaniabyspiridonep2.jpg
speacially that guy on the left

http://img407.imageshack.us/img407/2188/albanianjourneyveshje2aok3.jpg
polyphonic singing

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/4663/albanianjourneyveshje3tca0.jpg

http://img77.imageshack.us/img77/6409/resized25tkja5.jpg

more to come...

Dukagjin
Sunday, February 18th, 2007, 11:44 AM
http://img226.imageshack.us/img226/1539/74389775qj6.png
http://img79.imageshack.us/img79/4339/vitojedita22520003sharrqs2.jpg
People from Sar mountain (Opojans)
http://img174.imageshack.us/img174/6098/vv78709loyv8.jpg
Krasniqi Leader

Marinus
Saturday, February 24th, 2007, 04:01 AM
Luma tribe according to Coon is the only one with pure nordics in Albania.

Bhairav
Sunday, February 25th, 2007, 11:38 AM
I know some half Albanian guy and he doesn't look dinaric.
Or at least as far as i can picture him. Maybe i would think different if i see him again.

Nikola
Sunday, February 25th, 2007, 03:05 PM
Shiptars should not be considered Indo-European, or Dinaric or of Ilyrian descent as some try to pass it. Vast majority are race-mixed (have Turkish blood) and are muslims, particulary in south Serbian region of Kosovo. Their culture, behavior and nation/state structure are far under European standards. Some small number in Albania can be considered white/dinaric and their behavior is on higher level to Shiptars of Kosovo. And that small number do not follow Islam or any other non-European religion.

Dukagjin
Monday, February 26th, 2007, 09:28 PM
Shiptars should not be considered Indo-European, or Dinaric or of Ilyrian descent as some try to pass it. Vast majority are race-mixed (have Turkish blood) and are muslims, particulary in south Serbian region of Kosovo. Their culture, behavior and nation/state structure are far under European standards. Some small number in Albania can be considered white/dinaric and their behavior is on higher level to Shiptars of Kosovo. And that small number do not follow Islam or any other non-European religion.
should not be considered as indo-european? lol
i see that you are just another serb who is victim of serbian political propaganda! you like it or not but fact is that Albanians are nothing else than Indo-Europeans and moustly of Dinaric stock! you propably never seen an Albanian from Kosovo or from Albania, im pretty shure that thous childish claims that you wrote about Albanians are nothing else than products of a uninformed serb kid who writes his own balkan history on the net, in other words nothing but a wet fantasy that some serbs like to believe,
From where you got that idea that Albanians are mixed race?what are your sources? give us a source where it says about turkish settlements in Albanian lands, give us a source where it says that a turkish pasha ruled some parts of Albanian lands, and what religion has to do with race and blood? religion is something you choose! Albanian culture is unique and original balkanian,i bet you dont have no clue about Albanian culture,traditions or anything which has to do with Albanians. Racially,Linguistically,Culturally Albanians are an old nation of south Dinaric mountains and thats what researches say!

Since you as a serb think of your self that you are in a position to judge Albanians wether they are Indo-europeans or not, so lets see the difference between Albanians and Serbs.

Lets start
Albanians!:
Albanian Children
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album22/Grup_Nxenesish_J_De_Rada.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album22/Mbas_Mesimit_J_De_Rada.sized.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album22/Disa_nga_Nxenesit_H_Vogli.sized.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album22/Nxenesit_H_Vogli.sized.jpg
Almoust all albanians are light haired when they are kids, while growing up hair gets darker,its typical among south europeans.

Albanian Youngsters
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album22/Shkallet_A_Broci.sized.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album22/Vitet_e_Para_A_Broci.sized.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album22/Kati_i_Pare_Cajupi.sized.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album22/Mensa_e_Shkolles_Cajupi.sized.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album22/Ora_e_Pushimit_H_T_Fultz.sized.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album22/Nxenesit_H_T_Fultz.sized.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album22/5_minuteshi_I_Qemali.sized.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album22/Partizani.sized.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album22/Kati_i_Trete_Partizani.sized.jpg

Young Adult Albanians
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album07/Pergatitjet.sized.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album07/Albania_Fitore.sized.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album07/Tifozet.sized.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album07/Flamuri_Yne.sized.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album07/Ne_lokalet_e_Tiranes.sized.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album07/Vajzat_e_Kuqe.sized.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album07/Perpara_Projektoreve_Tek_Blloku.sized.jp g
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album07/Goli_Yne_i_Pare.sized.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/album07/Ne_Gadishmeri_Nuk_pati_asnje_konfrontim_ me_policine.sized.jpg

Albanians from the streets in their everyday life
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/Tirana_in_colors/Tirana_City.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/Tirana_in_colors/Ne_Bllok.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/Tirana_in_colors/Per_Shopping.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/Tirana_in_colors/Coli_s.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/Tirana_in_colors/Tirana_2004.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/Tirana_in_colors/Bar_Cafe_Flex_1.jpg
http://www.shqiperia.com/foto/albums/Tirana_in_colors/Bar_Cafe_Flex.jpg

Now you have seen how Albanians look like and how non Indo-european Albanians are lol.

And now lets see are Serbs in somekind of position to Judge Albanians...

Serbs
http://srufaculty.sru.edu/mark.zeltner/newmedia/international/dejan/images/dejan.jpg
http://www.fels.upenn.edu/photos/RRalevic.JPG
http://boyan3.busythumbs.com/users/B/BOYAN/boyan3/images/medium/11122173420BasketballPlayers.jpg
http://www.elektricar.org.yu/slike/kosarkasi/muska%20kosarka.jpg
http://www.elektricar.org.yu/slike/fudbal/FC%20ETF.JPG
http://www.elektricar.org.yu/slike/fudbal/BUDVA%202002%20TUZLA.jpg
http://www.elektricar.org.yu/slike/fudbal/elektrijada%202005/fudbal%202.jpg
http://www.elektricar.org.yu/slike/odbojka/Prvenstvo2003%20-%20Pocetak.JPG
http://www.elektricar.org.yu/slike/streljastvo/Streljastvo%20-%2007.JPG
http://www.sportskacentrala.com/nba/pedja-divac-sac_lal.jpg

Now think again are you as a Serb in a position to judge Albanians Indo-european or not,or are Albanians mixed?
DEFENETLY NO!

and plz dont ruin this topic!

Siegfried
Tuesday, February 27th, 2007, 02:08 PM
Skadi is not the right place for Serbian-Albanian disputes. Please try to stay on topic.

Blood_Axis
Tuesday, February 27th, 2007, 03:24 PM
Shiptars should not be considered Indo-European, or Dinaric or of Ilyrian descent as some try to pass it.

I don't even know what Indoeuropean, Aryan, White, Dinaric, Illyrian, and so on and so forth, mean in practical terms any more. One could claim the same thing about Greeks, Bulgarians, Romanians, and practically the whole of the Balkans. So I guess it is not good to make such gross generalizations.


Vast majority are race-mixed (have Turkish blood) and are muslims, particulary in south Serbian region of Kosovo.

Vast majority? Nah...

I wouldn't know about the Kosovo area, but the majority of Albanians that live in Greece (and believe me, they make a fair sample) are dinaric and noric. I have seen quite a lot of Turanid faces but they don't seem to be the prominent phenotype of the Albanian crowd.

Imagine that Greeks habitually tell second generation albanian immigrants by blondedness. The average Albanian seems to have the standard "village boy" 'dirty' blond hair/red cheeks look which is immediately distinguishable from the darker and more slender meditteranean type.


Their culture, behavior and nation/state structure are far under European standards.

Doesn't that hold true for every ex-communist country? :|


Some small number in Albania can be considered white/dinaric and their behavior is on higher level to Shiptars of Kosovo. And that small number do not follow Islam or any other non-European religion

Religion has nothing to do with race. I guess that 'non-European' behavior can be attributed to all European Muslims, regardless of whether they are Albanian or not. Islam is a religion that is highly incompatible with European culture. :thumbdown

Agrippa
Thursday, March 1st, 2007, 09:43 PM
Those are very good Dinarid and Dinaroid examples from Albania. Albanians are racially clearly European at least in their vast majority. Good examples for progressive-mature Dinaroid variants by the way...

Ylliarte
Friday, March 2nd, 2007, 01:37 AM
I am posting more old Albanian photos like Dukagjini's (from Albania-Kosova-Montenegro):

http://home.online.no/~bmatos/artimages/Albanians_in_Native_Dress_D.jpg
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/1428/albtropz1.jpg
http://img106.imageshack.us/img106/7899/albtro2zt6.jpg
http://i13.photobucket.com/albums/a264/albos/fotoluftetarshqiptar-veshje-dranguaezb.jpg
http://digital.library.upenn.edu/women/durham/albania/kastrati.gif
http://www.rapsodet.com/Jugoton/Foto/Sali%20e%20Feriz%20Krasniqi%201%20Jugoto n.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a317/shkreli1/veshjemalsordukagjinas.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b89/albanija1/geromearnautnekajro1897.jpg


Here are some pics after 1990 (Albs of Kosova-Montenegro):

http://img333.imageshack.us/img333/9007/shota0jw.png
http://img53.imageshack.us/img53/9691/0010gp.jpg
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/2897/18fr.jpg
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/482/13yz.jpg
http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/7783/16ld1.jpg

http://malesia.org/rapsha_2005_vitoj/nata1/rapsha2005-5.jpg
http://malesia.org/rapsha_2005_vitoj/nata1/rapsha2005-19.jpg
http://malesia.org/rapsha_2005_vitoj/nata1/rapsha2005-25.jpg
http://malesia.org/rapsha_2005_vitoj/nata1/rapsha2005-46.jpg
http://malesia.org/rapsha_2005_vitoj/nata1/rapsha2005-39.jpg
http://malesia.org/ngjarjet/protest_komune/protest-komuna-42.jpg

Dukagjin
Tuesday, March 27th, 2007, 11:44 AM
Kosovo Albanians (Dardanians)

Albanian children from Kosovo.

http://www.worldbank.org/html/extdr/kosovo/photos/albanian-kosovar-kids.jpg
http://www.savethechildren.org.uk/scuk_cache/scuk/cache/cmsattach/917_europe_albania1.jpg
http://www.northcountrypublicradio.org/news/bondsteel/bondsteel24.jpg
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a321/Football99/26315264_3e98c4b151.jpg
http://www.afsouth.nato.int/images/Assembly98/coopasbly12.jpg
http://www.teamexpansion.org/fp_images/kosovogirl990527.jpg
http://www.baptiststandard.com/1999/5_5/pics/albaniankids.gif
http://www.homestead.com/windhorse/files/kid_games.jpg
http://www.unmikonline.org/photo/coverage/sept02/0209_1.jpg
http://www.unmikonline.org/photo/coverage/sept02/0209_2.jpg
http://www.unmikonline.org/photo/coverage/sept02/0309_3.jpg
http://www.luxner.com/images/photos/AB-023.jpg
http://www.teachingchildrenpeace.com/images/n_ireland_programs_2.jpg
http://www.apw.uci.edu/graphics/backpack.jpg
http://www.rotary1918.com/cf99p-22.jpg
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~marash/ghetto%20boxer%20-zero/kkids3.jpg

and this little albanian is me,20 years ago.
http://img144.imageshack.us/img144/2566/vogelof7.jpg

Pictures of young and adult Kosovar Albanians will be posted soon.

Ylliarte
Thursday, March 29th, 2007, 12:46 PM
Those pics posted by Dukagjini are from the Kosova War (1998-1999).

More Pics of Kosova Kids/Childs (Majority are during Kosova War):

http://212.227.92.102/img/14994/wm/pd502133.jpg
http://img224.imageshack.us/img224/166/16440webwn2.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/6061/980126eyi0.jpg
http://img242.imageshack.us/img242/6805/bmyftiugirlzu8.jpg
http://gfx.dagbladet.no/nyheter/2001/05/11/DF_60i26kossyksak.jpg
http://www.thefellowship.info/images/globalmissions/AAP/flowergirlboy.jpeg
http://wwv.no/images/toppeuropa/serbia11.jpg
http://www.crispinhughes.co.uk/photos/086.26.jpg
http://www.refugeesinternational.org/files/1825_image1_kosovojunjul99.jpg
http://www.jdc.org/images/news_press_120400b.jpg
http://www.hopeandaiddirect.org.uk/Winter%20lifeline%202006/SV300002.gif
http://www.heifer.org/atf/cf/%7BE384D2DB-8638-47F3-A6DB-68BE45A16EDC%7D/15%20Kosovo_200dpi.jpg
http://www.csmonitor.com/2003/0909/csmimg/p6a.jpg
http://image.pathfinder.com/time/europe/photoessays/uranium/4.jpg
http://www.reinhard-krause.de/k5.jpg
http://img175.imageshack.us/img175/1484/kosovo2stocker3ncxi0.jpg
http://www.forumishqiptar.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=71153&stc=1&d=1139954852

http://www.insomniadiscoclub.ch/gallery/albums/Festa%20e%2028%20nentorit%202006/18.jpg
http://www.insomniadiscoclub.ch/gallery/albums/Afrim%20Muciqi%20Salim%20Arifi%20Festa%2 0Flamurit/36.jpg
http://plaveguci.eu/7Krojet_Familja_Morina.jpg

Marcus
Saturday, September 27th, 2008, 02:31 AM
Zlatan Ibrahimovic (he is a swedish footballer of Albanian origin I belive)
http://www.expressen.se/polopoly_fs/1.418894!defaultImage/3189291144.jpg
http://media.hd.se/2008/01/14/283091/large/sx49a742.jpghttp://media.hd.se/2008/03/06/297222/large/helenaseger.jpg

TheGreatest
Saturday, September 27th, 2008, 11:10 AM
Infantile traits in children should not be mistaken for full-grown traits in adults.