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Bhairav
Monday, February 5th, 2007, 10:12 AM
I am a Belgian, and i see LOTS of people with dinaric and alpine features here. Some look Spanish.
I don't understand some Flemish nationalists who see Belgians, even those in the north, as Nordic types mostly. I just don't see it. Maybe there are some areas in Flanders where the nordic features are slightly more dominant, like in West-Flanders province, but i have had colleagues from there who were very dark.
Blondism is something more common amongst children and younger people. Apart from Blondism, people here have often a roundish face, caused by broad cheekbones (not by a small head, i have read Belgians have the largest heads in Europe or so...).Nordic features are mostly seen in blue eyes and (mostly dark) blond hair. Foreigners also say that we have often an olive-ish/grey-ish skin color... And our stubbornity is reflected in our 'ethnic' features.
If you watch Belgian TV, you'll see what i mean. You'll rarely see a "true aryan". I have only seen a few of those here, and one of them is Dutch...

Here are some Famous Belgians (not only with dinaric features)
http://www.leuven.be/ftp/wendyvanwanten.jpg
http://www.stubru.be/stubru_master/programmas/wim_oosterlinck/kippensoep/dimitrileue120.jpg
http://www.s-p-a.be/img/ideeen/affiches/tobback_senaat_.jpg
http://www.vrtnieuws.net/nieuwsnet_master/versie2/nieuws/details/051129Spirit/N_051123_dewinter_filip_p.jpg
http://www.standaard.be/Assets/Images_Upload/NBN_A14_LANOTTE_PN.MM.jpghttp://home.scarlet.be/~lschumac/RadioBelche/images/Vande_Lanotte.SP.jpg

http://www.vrtnieuws.be/nieuwsnet_master/versie2/nieuws/details/060111Vanrompuy/N_060106_geertBourgeoisM_b.jpg
http://www.vrtnieuws.be/nieuwsnet_master/versie2/nieuws/details/060420Decreet/M_060420_tonyMary_p.jpg
http://vl.altermedia.info/images/large_24136.jpghttp://lonestar.typepad.com/muziek/images/mark_coenen.JPG

Some Belgians (politicians)

http://www.tombogman.be/wp-images/picsdir/dewinter.png
http://www.merksem.net/regio/images/personen/vld/van_mechelen/van_mechelen_2_150.jpg
http://www.euregio-mr.org/emr_site/bilder/Steve_Stevaert.jpg
http://www.europeum.org/doc/obrazky/cislo10/willyclaes.jpg

Other famous Belgians:
http://www.geocities.com/marliesq/bel_laur_wvw.jpg
http://www.stubru.be/stubru_master/programmas/wim_oosterlinck/kippensoep/dimitrileue120.jpg
http://www.standaard.be/Assets/Images_Upload/fk210406b.jpg
http://v3.cuttingedge.be/reports/varia/matroesjkasdvd/images/Axel.jpg

Oski
Monday, February 5th, 2007, 08:03 PM
I see what you are saying. Do you think these are the majority? You live there...

Could you post any pred. Nordid Belgians or better yet a full spectrum of racialtypes that you think best represents the regions of Belgium you have personally visited?

Bhairav
Monday, February 5th, 2007, 08:20 PM
The majority... well i dunno, but in my eyes those types seem dominant.
Nordic features are best seen in younger people, mostly in hair and eye color. Many blond children here, but natural blondes amongst adults are a minority.
There ARE nordic types here, but i can't come up with as much examples as those above...
There is always something "wrong" about a nordic here: often a dinaric face, too short, too dark skin...
Here is a "nordic":
http://www.vtm.be/wittekerke2/gfx/small_itv_leen.jpg

I'll try to find more examples...

Fred
Tuesday, February 6th, 2007, 12:52 AM
There is always something "wrong" about a nordic here: often a dinaric face, too short, too dark skin...
Here is a "nordic":


This is the case with any continental nordids, nothing wrong with it. Norids, Keltic nordids, North atlantid... the short Nordid is something seen in northern france as well.

Half of the people you pictures are politicians, the ugliest/oddest caste of any country. They are not representative of Belgians at all; they are even less nordid than Walloons and I am one.

Now, the CM/UP element and the Atlantid element are very frequent all over Belgium but it's true for the Netherlands as well.

Bhairav
Tuesday, February 6th, 2007, 06:46 AM
This is the case with any continental nordids, nothing wrong with it. Norids, Keltic nordids, North atlantid... the short Nordid is something seen in northern france as well.

Half of the people you pictures are politicians, the ugliest/oddest caste of any country. They are not representative of Belgians at all; they are even less nordid than Walloons and I am one.

Now, the CM/UP element and the Atlantid element are very frequent all over Belgium but it's true for the Netherlands as well.

You seem to claim that nordic people here are hidden and the dinaric "superrace" has the power here...
I didn't mean "wrong" in the litteral sense (obviously, i used ""s).
I do think they are representative, except for the case that they look smarter than most people.
And i don't think all people that i posted are ugly.
Whenever i walk outside in public places, i see people with simmilar types of features, except that they appear (i am sorry to say) dumber.
I am new here, i am not sure what CM/UP means.

Fred
Tuesday, February 6th, 2007, 03:21 PM
You seem to claim that nordic people here are hidden and the dinaric "superrace" has the power here...
I didn't mean "wrong" in the litteral sense (obviously, i used ""s).
I do think they are representative, except for the case that they look smarter than most people.
And i don't think all people that i posted are ugly.
Whenever i walk outside in public places, i see people with simmilar types of features, except that they appear (i am sorry to say) dumber.
I am new here, i am not sure what CM/UP means.
As a typical belgian you seem to be in love with your own country (sarcasm).

Take a look at Nazi Germany: Their politicians were far from specimen of the nordic race contrary to its inhabitants: Himmler, Goering, Hitler himself were far from nordic, but they were at the top. This is the case with say modern Sweden as well, their politicians are less nordic than the average swedes.
I don't think that Nordics are "hidden" and Dinarics are a "superrace" but dinarics are known to have leadership skills that's why you see them in high positions. In the Flemish countryside you can see nordic people more than in the cities as far as I saw.

Now I think that the whole "blond hair blue eyes" is a superficial nordic trait, and in Belgium those traits are mostly seen among females, both in wallonia and in flanders, like those two (a walloon and a flemish):
http://www.eurobru.com/tatonjul.jpg

http://www.merksem.net/regio/images/personen/petri/Ellen_petri_3.jpg

Bhairav
Tuesday, February 6th, 2007, 04:24 PM
As a typical belgian you seem to be in love with your own country (sarcasm).

Take a look at Nazi Germany: Their politicians were far from specimen of the nordic race contrary to its inhabitants: Himmler, Goering, Hitler himself were far from nordic, but they were at the top. This is the case with say modern Sweden as well, their politicians are less nordic than the average swedes.
I don't think that Nordics are "hidden" and Dinarics are a "superrace" but dinarics are known to have leadership skills that's why you see them in high positions. In the Flemish countryside you can see nordic people more than in the cities as far as I saw.

Now I think that the whole "blond hair blue eyes" is a superficial nordic trait, and in Belgium those traits are mostly seen among females, both in wallonia and in flanders, like those two (a walloon and a flemish):
http://www.eurobru.com/tatonjul.jpg

http://www.merksem.net/regio/images/personen/petri/Ellen_petri_3.jpg
It may be possible that nordic features are seen more in countrysides, but most people here live in urban areas. Of course this is all in general, becuase here any type of feature may pop up anywhere.
Those two women aren't Swedish looking, but indeed show very nordic features. They are rather "stocky".
Indeed, women seem to look more pale than men. But many women here bleach their hair. You often see those dinaric types that try to look like swedish women who went on an expensive trip. They mostly fail and it looks hideous.
I think Belgians look like a "perfect" mixture of different ethnic features. And i also think that nordish types dissapear slowly thru the generations. Even foreigners that come from countries where people are dark say that we're not as nordish as they expected from a country where they speak a germanic language...
On top of this, there is a MUCH bigger difference between how Dutch people (from above the Rhine) and Belgians (+many Dutch from Below the Rhine) look, and the difference between "Flemish" and "Walloons".

About loving Belgium, not really, but i have a strong adverse towards Flemish nationalism. Its based on a collective identity crisis amongst people that are desperate for a frame of reference in this "complicated" changing world.

Galaico
Tuesday, February 6th, 2007, 07:33 PM
Some random Flemings:

http://www.volkskrantblog.nl/pub/mm/tempest/755/Image/Vlaams%20Belang.jpg
http://www.ethesis.net/vlaams_belang_pers/vl_belang_pers_bijlage_3.jpg
http://www.vlaamsbelangvlaamsparlement.org/images/fractie_groot.jpg
http://www.yvesbuysse.be/foto11.jpg
http://www.indymedia.be/files/DSC_4674-r-500_0.JPGhttp://www.liberales.be/pics/essay/demoorbelang.jpghttp://www.socialistworld.net/pics/p254_01.jpg

http://www.forcor.com/pressfest/yank-with-flemish.jpg
http://www.cdenv-vlaams-brabant.be/nieuws/data/upimages/vic25jaar.jpg
http://www.terra.com/missworld/img/contestants/miss_belgium.jpghttp://www.freewebs.com/jaren00/ellenpetri.jpghttp://extratv.warnerbros.com/dailynews/extra/05_02/29/images/BelgiumAnnVanElsen.jpg

Waarnemer
Tuesday, February 6th, 2007, 08:56 PM
http://www.boombal.be/ all the flemish people you want ;)



Even foreigners that come from countries where people are dark say that we're not as nordish as they expected from a country where they speak a germanic language...

i think you talk real bullshit :)

Bhairav
Tuesday, February 6th, 2007, 10:34 PM
Thanks for everyone for posting pix and links to show exactly what i meant.
I never said we're like spanish or italian. I was talking about features, waarnemer. I just said that non-nordic features are extremely underestimated here and not as dominant as some of those old maps of its distribution claim...

Mr_Doctor
Tuesday, February 6th, 2007, 10:52 PM
i noticed also that... seem that the rhin was like a kinf of wall for the romanization of the germanic peoples---- is you go over the rhin you will find predominantly very blonde people...if you go below the rhin you will see europeans with mixed features of different places of europe (not the real aryan of book)

catchmeifyoukhan
Wednesday, February 7th, 2007, 12:16 AM
Your observation is true : At random, Belgium, especially Flandern, falls close to the nordic, but there is in fact a great disparity : there are a lot of atlanto mediterraneans on one side (which you may confound with dinarics) and a lot of "Upper Paleolitics" (UPs) on the other side (those stocky people with large cheekbones, light brown hairs and blue eyes). The average of both populations produces a celtic nordic or at least a north atlantid, but certainly not a Halstatt nordic that is predominant only in Sweden. This recalls me a study of CS Coon concerning northern Albanians and Montenegrians, where he expected to find many dinarics and where he eventually concluded that there was only a coexistence of tall UPs and of dark pontids.

As concerns the physical type of the belgian politicians, they are all the more dinarids, that they are mixed by excellence, since most politicians belong to the national upper class, which is generally a synthesis of the different elites that have contributed to the building of the nation during the previous centuries.

Chlodovech
Wednesday, February 7th, 2007, 01:53 AM
It may be possible that nordic features are seen more in countrysides, but most people here live in urban areas.

No they don't. There live close to six million people in Flanders. Those living in cities number:

Antwerpen: 457.729
Gent:230.735
Brugge: 116.246
Brussels: 300.000 (300.000 Flemish that is, max, but nobody knows for sure since 1947)

Immigrants included.

These are the only cities we have, and most of the habitants still live in a semi urban setting. If you just leave the center of a Flemish town you'll soon end up in a suburbia, with flahes of naked nature.


Even foreigners that come from countries where people are dark say that we're not as nordish as they expected from a country where they speak a germanic language...

You know some strange people.

I don't know if you're either Flemish or Walloon - but since your "Tribal affiliation" notes 'other' it's still a mystery - or isn't it?

I can't imagine I'm living in the same country as you do - my observations are totally different. I can't speak for all Belgians, I don't live in Wallonia.


Maybe there are some areas in Flanders where the nordic features are slightly more dominant, like in West-Flanders province, but i have had colleagues from there who were very dark.

Well, and I claim that I only know a handful people - literally - with brownish eyes. It's true as well.

Despite all observations - recent research (Dutch) (http://forums.skadi.net/het_bewezen_vlamingen_zijn_germanen-t46926.html?&highlight=het+is+bewezen) pointed out how the Flemish are genetically more linked to the peoples to the north and east of us, than to the south.

Also, you make a thread about Belgians but you only relied on Flemish people in your depictions - moreover, most of them are part from the postmodern progressive establishment - there should be limitations to one's ambitions.

I found your selection to be so random (though you get some credit for posting Daeseleire - the last guy), you could've easily proven nearly anything else about the Belgian phenotype - and that's why I'm keeping an eye on this thread from now on.


http://www.s-p-a.be/img/ideeen/affiches/tobback_senaat_.jpg


Louis Tobback is half Turkish. How can you judge the Flemish/Walloon people with pictures of racial disasters?


http://www.leuven.be/ftp/wendyvanwanten.jpg


Wendy Van Wanten. She's quite a unique face in Flanders (hence her popularity).

Willy Claes, Steve Stevaert, Dewinter - they're history's ugly mystery - and by no means representative of the Flemish or Walloon peoples.


If you watch Belgian TV, you'll see what i mean. You'll rarely see a "true aryan".

There's nothing wrong with your TV, who would own a TV set presenting you with "true Aryans"?

I wouldn't even like that anyway, because, when you spoke of Flemish nationalists dealing with an identity crisis ( "i have a strong adverse towards Flemish nationalism. Its based on a collective identity crisis amongst people that are desperate for a frame of reference in this "complicated" changing world.") - I must add how Aryans on our tv screens would expose yet a deeper identity crisis.

Bhairav
Wednesday, February 7th, 2007, 06:38 AM
No they don't. There live close to six million people in Flanders. Those living in cities number:

Antwerpen: 457.729
Gent:230.735
Brugge: 116.246
Brussels: 300.000 (300.000 Flemish that is, max, but nobody knows for sure since 1947)

Immigrants included.

These are the only cities we have, and most of the habitants still live in a semi urban setting. If you just leave the center of a Flemish town you'll soon end up in a suburbia, with flahes of naked nature.



You know some strange people.

I don't know if you're either Flemish or Walloon - but since your "Tribal affiliation" notes 'other' it's still a mystery - or isn't it?

I can't imagine I'm living in the same country as you do - my observations are totally different. I can't speak for all Belgians, I don't live in Wallonia.



Well, and I claim that I only know a handful people - literally - with brownish eyes. It's true as well.

Despite all observations - recent research (Dutch) (http://forums.skadi.net/het_bewezen_vlamingen_zijn_germanen-t46926.html?&highlight=het+is+bewezen) pointed out how the Flemish are genetically more linked to the peoples to the north and east of us, than to the south.

Also, you make a thread about Belgians but you only relied on Flemish people in your depictions - moreover, most of them are part from the postmodern progressive establishment - there should be limitations to one's ambitions.

I found your selection to be so random (though you get some credit for posting Daeseleire - the last guy), you could've easily proven nearly anything else about the Belgian phenotype - and that's why I'm keeping an eye on this thread from now on.


I was talking about urban(ised) areas. They don't matter anyway.
It doesn't matter wether I am flemish or walloon, its not the point of my thread. Neither is DNA the point of this thread, I am talking about my experiences of how people LOOK, not the blood in their veins. Besides, DNA results can be interpret in many ways.
About those foreigners that say those things about people here: those are some that say that, especially Turks. I didn't claim they say we look very simmilar, just that there are simmilarities. Please don't exaggerate what I said about this...
All I was proving on the Belgian type that there is some underestimation in dinarisation, don't react as if I claim we look like genuine Italians or so.
I didn't post any walloon becuz i can't come up with any walloon names. And yeah i gotta admit i focussed on Flemish people. And i didn't know he is half turkish. O_o

I don't care about identity. I only care about my observations.

PS: I wrote an error:

I just said that non-nordic features are extremely underestimated here and not as dominant as some of those old maps of its distribution claim...
This should be

Waarnemer
Wednesday, February 7th, 2007, 12:36 PM
brown eyes don't make a person nongermanic and not even always nonnordid (im classified as nordid and i have them), in flanders light eyes stand for about 50% of the population, so that can look low but if we see that in scandinavian nations it only reach over 75%.. btw there is no nation in which brown eyes are uncommon, blondism in scandinavia is highly overrated, secondly a comparision between flanders and wallonia is utternonsense since the franks had their hartland in wallonia. All people posted can pass as germans up to bremen. i agree though that the saxons appear more blond (not the nordids, but mostly UP are that, above the rhine in the netherlands it seems to burst with borrebys..), but nevertheless the franks where germanics and one of the most successful, so yeah for us

@Parsifal other then that i didn't know about tobback - shame on me :-O ;)

Bhairav
Wednesday, February 7th, 2007, 12:50 PM
Its not true about Tobback. It would be a well known fact, and he is too old to have an immigrant mother... Probably some Hunnic DNA that popped up, or a strange coincidence of features that are typical for asians in one face... Who knows. Probably Lord Shiva does.

I have read that blondism slowly disapears because its genetically weak or so... Does anyone know its true?

dazed&confused
Wednesday, February 7th, 2007, 01:21 PM
What's the ethnic difference between Flemish and Dutch?
It's kind of small like Serbs and Croats?

Waarnemer
Wednesday, February 7th, 2007, 01:38 PM
What's the ethnic difference between Flemish and Dutch?
It's kind of small like Serbs and Croats?

the flemish are dutch, its a political boundary, the flemish are even more dutch then the frisians, there is less difference between a person from drenthe and one from flanders then between a north german and an austrian (and i should know, since im flemish but my mother is from drenthe)

Bhairav
Wednesday, February 7th, 2007, 02:35 PM
the flemish are dutch, its a political boundary, the flemish are even more dutch then the frisians, there is less difference between a person from drenthe and one from flanders then between a north german and an austrian (and i should know, since im flemish but my mother is from drenthe)

I thought we were closer to Germans than to dutch...

Fred
Wednesday, February 7th, 2007, 05:23 PM
I can spot a Flemish from a Dutch, a Walloon from a Flemish, and a French from a Walloon, even though it overlaps.

Dutch are longer headed and blonder than Flemish, Walloons are an intermediate bunch, fleshier faces, and the French have smaller heads than Walloons.

Anecdotically, where I live in Wallonia there are a LOOOOT of french people (it's the 1st "immigrant" population), and we used to spot the french girls vs walloon girls, and we noticed than French girls have almost all that pointy chin while walloon girls have rounder features, french are darker and thinner, more "gracile"; walloon girls can be more beautiful, but have much less charm than french women (because of the accent).

Desert Fox
Wednesday, February 7th, 2007, 05:52 PM
This is the case with any continental nordids, nothing wrong with it. Norids, Keltic nordids, North atlantid... the short Nordid is something seen in northern france as well.

Half of the people you pictures are politicians, the ugliest/oddest caste of any country. They are not representative of Belgians at all; they are even less nordid than Walloons and I am one.

Now, the CM/UP element and the Atlantid element are very frequent all over Belgium but it's true for the Netherlands as well.

How do you classify one of WWIIs greatest hero, who was a Walloon:
General Leon DEGRELLE?
Aryans do NOT have to be blond and blue eyed, many are mixtures with others besides the Nordid elements.

Weg
Wednesday, February 7th, 2007, 05:52 PM
and the French have smaller heads than Walloons.

I'd say Walloons tend to be, on average, more brachy than French who are more dolicho.


Anecdotically, where I live in Wallonia there are a LOOOOT of french people (it's the 1st "immigrant" population),

Ca est un scandale ça une fois!


we used to spot the french girls vs walloon girls, and we noticed than French girls have almost all that pointy chin while walloon girls have rounder features, french are darker and thinner, more "gracile"

Interesting. Could you post a few examples, please?

@Desert Fox: Léon Degrelle wasn't Walloon (French from his father side and some German roots from his mother).

Fred
Wednesday, February 7th, 2007, 06:48 PM
How do you classify one of WWIIs greatest hero, who was a Walloon:
General Leon DEGRELLE?
I am not sure but I think he has partial French ancestry, and I think besides his Walloon accent he has something of a french way to express himself.
I think he was dinaro-alpinid, perhaps subnordic, but he seems to have a Keltic element to him, but I am not sure this is a wild guess.


Ca est un scandale ça une fois!
Je l'attendais celle la :p

Interesting. Could you post a few examples, please??
Mmmh it is quite hard to post exemples since most Walloon women who are known in France (cecile de france, marie gillain, alexandra vandernoot...) made it in Paris BECAUSE they fit the french look.

Cecile De France, looks quite Walloon (rounder features), she is a redhead who dyed her hair darker.
http://images.43things.com/profile/00/03/30/208991s160.jpg

Marie Gillain is a purebred from my hometown Liège but looks much more French than Belgian, and this is due to the chin.
http://www.cinemagia.ro/getimg.php?id=14932&size=s

One very "Walloon" face known in France is Virgine Efira (even though "Efira" isn't very belgian), I think she looks quite Belgian anyway.
http://www.eurobru.com/efirav.jpg

Sophie Marceau and Audrey Tautou for exemple, look very french, not belgian (more mediteranean type of skin and finer features).

I can spot the difference between them but I cannot really point the finger at.


@Desert Fox: Léon Degrelle wasn't Walloon (French from his father side and some German roots from his mother).
Walloon is not really a race, there are many walloons who have a french descendant or a german descendant it doesn't make them less Walloon, he is born in Bouillon.

Desert Fox
Wednesday, February 7th, 2007, 07:02 PM
[QUOTE

@Desert Fox: Léon Degrelle wasn't Walloon (French from his father side and some German roots from his mother).[/QUOTE]

Wow! That was certainly a great mixture then...... :thumbup :D ;)

Fred
Wednesday, February 7th, 2007, 07:03 PM
Anyway I noticed in Flanders that some people (some celebrities) enjoyed looking as mediteranean as possible, through tanning or make up; I think this is due to the fact that in intellectual circles, the Nordics were seen historically as peasants, whereas mediteranean people were the "bringer of civilization" through Roman culture. The Flemish always felt oppressed by this and I think this is the origin of today's revival of the Flemish culture and rejection of the French language. It seems that in Sweden this is the case as well, in Stockholm I heard that people of the higher class are slightly darker haired.

Weg
Wednesday, February 7th, 2007, 07:40 PM
I am not sure but I think he has partial French ancestry, and I think besides his Walloon accent he has something of a french way to express himself.

His father was indeed a French who moved to "Belgium" with three of his brothers (Jesuits) ; they left France during "Combism" (a period of hardcore anti-clericalism led by Emile Combes).



Je l'attendais celle la :p


I couldn't help myself, sorry. :D



One very "Walloon" face known in France is Virgine Efira (even though "Efira" isn't very belgian), I think she looks quite Belgian anyway.


I've always thought she was a jewess.

Vandernoot sounds quite Flemish, btw.

More "famous Belgians" in France:

Axelle Red (Flemish)
http://www.dancevibes.be/images/axellered/axellered.jpg

http://www.vub.ac.be/vlaamsestudenteninbrussel/images/axellered.jpg

Arno (Charles Ernest Hintjens -Flemish)
http://www.tv5.org/TV5Site/upload_image/musique/grand_format/219/arno.jpg

Maureen Dor (Walloon? Odd lastname)
http://www.ulg.ac.be/divertimento/opl/MaureenDoor.jpg

Philippe Geluck (Neither Flemish nor Walloon, IMO)
http://www.linternaute.com/sortir/livre/salon-du-livre/diaporama/images/03-geluck.jpg



Sophie Marceau and Audrey Tautou for exemple, look very french, not belgian (more mediteranean type of skin and finer features).


Tautou is Alpinid. Marceau AM.


Walloon is not really a race, there are many walloons who have a french descendant or a german descendant it doesn't make them less Walloon, he is born in Bouillon.

Of course it's not. ;) Walloon is an ethncity and not all babies born in Walloonia are Walloon. Anyway, he actually felt "Belgian". :-O

Fred
Wednesday, February 7th, 2007, 08:28 PM
I couldn't help myself, sorry. :D

Note that the "Une fois" isn't really heard that much in Belgium, I don't know where you French got that from ;) I think some people in Brussels speak like that but I am not sure.

Vandernoot sounds quite Flemish, btw.
She is a Francophone from Brussels; not quite Walloon, not quite Flemish.


Axelle Red (Flemish)
She is from Limbourg (eastern Flanders) and speak remarkably good, non-accented French for a Flemish. Besides I think she share her phenotype with french actress Emmanuelle Beart; and they share the same shitty political ideology (droit de l'hommiste, sauvons l'afrique!)

Arno
I like him; he is very very Flemish (I think he is a Keltic Nordic), and said the girls from my hometown (Liege) were the best looking in belgium:p


Maureen Dor (Walloon? Odd lastname)
Looks quite Walloon.

Philippe Geluck (Neither Flemish nor Walloon, IMO)
He looks TYPICALLY like how I picture someone from Brussels IMO (like the guy with the glasses in the first post of the thread).

Another one; Georges Simenon looks very Walloon (bigger head than French)

Weg
Wednesday, February 7th, 2007, 09:28 PM
Note that the "Une fois" isn't really heard that much in Belgium, I don't know where you French got that from ;) I think some people in Brussels speak like that but I am not sure.

Je connais le Belge, sais-tu! :D I don't know where it comes from...


Besides I think she share her phenotype with french actress Emmanuelle Beart; and they share the same shitty political ideology (droit de l'hommiste, sauvons l'afrique!)

My thought as well. Their lips make me think to a duck.


Another one; Georges Simenon looks very Walloon (bigger head than French)

http://www.nndb.com/people/374/000116026/georges-simenon-1-sized.jpghttp://users.libero.it/enrico.gustav/Simenon/GS.jpg


Georges Rémi, alias Hergé

http://home0.inet.tele.dk/oz1bxm/herge.jpghttp://dreamers.com/indices/imagenes/autores.14.IMAGEN1.jpg

http://www.kuifje.com/bio_fr/bio.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/id/thumb/c/c5/Herge.jpg/200px-Herge.jpghttp://www.princeton.edu/~ferguson/adw/tintin/herge.gif

Chlodovech
Wednesday, February 7th, 2007, 09:37 PM
Its not true about Tobback. It would be a well known fact, and he is too old to have an immigrant mother... Probably some Hunnic DNA that popped up, or a strange coincidence of features that are typical for asians in one face... Who knows. Probably Lord Shiva does.

Tobback's granddad was a salesman (tapestry), and married a girl he met while being on a business trip in the Ottoman Empire.


It doesn't matter wether I am flemish or walloon, its not the point of my thread.

Who you are is absolutely crucial to all your observations, it matters, always - reality depends on you. That's why Skadi Forum gives each member the opportunity to create a fairly large profile.

Bhairav
Wednesday, February 7th, 2007, 10:33 PM
Anyway I noticed in Flanders that some people (some celebrities) enjoyed looking as mediteranean as possible, through tanning or make up; I think this is due to the fact that in intellectual circles, the Nordics were seen historically as peasants, whereas mediteranean people were the "bringer of civilization" through Roman culture. The Flemish always felt oppressed by this and I think this is the origin of today's revival of the Flemish culture and rejection of the French language. It seems that in Sweden this is the case as well, in Stockholm I heard that people of the higher class are slightly darker haired.

"Revival" of culture maybe, not of the nordics...

Bhairav
Tuesday, February 27th, 2007, 09:34 AM
Tobback's granddad was a salesman (tapestry), and married a girl he met while being on a business trip in the Ottoman Empire.



Who you are is absolutely crucial to all your observations, it matters, always - reality depends on you. That's why Skadi Forum gives each member the opportunity to create a fairly large profile.

You really hallucinate nordics in Belgium/Flanders. You just pick out nordic types and focus on them. Sure there are nodric features, especially manifested in eye and hair color. But its just not the same as "true nordics", which are very rare here. I really think there is an identity crisis going on amongst a certain amount Flemmings.

Chlodovech
Tuesday, February 27th, 2007, 04:57 PM
I really think there is an identity crisis going on amongst a certain amount Flemmings.

You're obviously referring to those who continue to support the Belgian state, against the interests of their nation.


i have a strong adverse towards Flemish nationalism. Its based on a collective identity crisis amongst people that are desperate for a frame of reference in this "complicated" changing world.


You really hallucinate nordics in Belgium/Flanders. You just pick out nordic types and focus on them. Sure there are nodric features, especially manifested in eye and hair color. But its just not the same as "true nordics", which are very rare here.

Nordids would be rare, yes. But nordics - not Nordids, mind you - and nordic features make up a great deal of the Flemish population. And not the like of Louis Tobback.

You got no basic respect for Flemish identity, Flemish concerns or nationalism & you post swarthy pictures of "Flemish" people whose background you never checked. That's my conclusion.

But I guess, after we go for Dinarid, our identity crisis will soon be solved here, up north, ain't it? Curiously, but I'm not buying it.

Bhairav
Tuesday, February 27th, 2007, 05:40 PM
I am noy buying what you say.
When I look around me. I rarely see much that suits your opinion.
I was talking about features by the way, not entire faces.
So maybe both our opinions suit in one face, if you know what I mean. What you think about that? :p

fraulein
Monday, June 8th, 2009, 06:28 AM
How does it come that there are some many Dinarics in Belgium?
For me it's not the typical Dinaric country (or is it a Dinaric country ) ?

Germaniathane
Wednesday, August 22nd, 2018, 04:44 PM
I am a Belgian, and i see LOTS of people with dinaric and alpine features here. Some look Spanish.
I don't understand some Flemish nationalists who see Belgians, even those in the north, as Nordic types mostly. I just don't see it. Maybe there are some areas in Flanders where the nordic features are slightly more dominant, like in West-Flanders province, but i have had colleagues from there who were very dark.
Blondism is something more common amongst children and younger people. Apart from Blondism, people here have often a roundish face, caused by broad cheekbones (not by a small head, i have read Belgians have the largest heads in Europe or so...).Nordic features are mostly seen in blue eyes and (mostly dark) blond hair. Foreigners also say that we have often an olive-ish/grey-ish skin color... And our stubbornity is reflected in our 'ethnic' features.
If you watch Belgian TV, you'll see what i mean. You'll rarely see a "true aryan". I have only seen a few of those here, and one of them is Dutch...

Here are some Famous Belgians (not only with dinaric features)
http://www.leuven.be/ftp/wendyvanwanten.jpg
http://www.stubru.be/stubru_master/programmas/wim_oosterlinck/kippensoep/dimitrileue120.jpg
http://www.s-p-a.be/img/ideeen/affiches/tobback_senaat_.jpg
http://www.vrtnieuws.net/nieuwsnet_master/versie2/nieuws/details/051129Spirit/N_051123_dewinter_filip_p.jpg
http://www.standaard.be/Assets/Images_Upload/NBN_A14_LANOTTE_PN.MM.jpghttp://home.scarlet.be/~lschumac/RadioBelche/images/Vande_Lanotte.SP.jpg

http://www.vrtnieuws.be/nieuwsnet_master/versie2/nieuws/details/060111Vanrompuy/N_060106_geertBourgeoisM_b.jpg
http://www.vrtnieuws.be/nieuwsnet_master/versie2/nieuws/details/060420Decreet/M_060420_tonyMary_p.jpg
http://vl.altermedia.info/images/large_24136.jpghttp://lonestar.typepad.com/muziek/images/mark_coenen.JPG

Some Belgians (politicians)

http://www.tombogman.be/wp-images/picsdir/dewinter.png
http://www.merksem.net/regio/images/personen/vld/van_mechelen/van_mechelen_2_150.jpg
http://www.euregio-mr.org/emr_site/bilder/Steve_Stevaert.jpg
http://www.europeum.org/doc/obrazky/cislo10/willyclaes.jpg

Other famous Belgians:
http://www.geocities.com/marliesq/bel_laur_wvw.jpg
http://www.stubru.be/stubru_master/programmas/wim_oosterlinck/kippensoep/dimitrileue120.jpg
http://www.standaard.be/Assets/Images_Upload/fk210406b.jpg
http://v3.cuttingedge.be/reports/varia/matroesjkasdvd/images/Axel.jpg

Yes, there are Belgians who would definitely qualify as Dinarids. However, Belgium is definitely not your typical or commonly Dinaric country. Belgium is more of the Nordid (Keltic variety not so much Hallstatt), Borreby, Alpinid and Subnordid country. Other types are found, but they don't dominate, also there are some North-Atlantids, Dalofaelids, Atlantids too.