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AlbionMP
Monday, January 22nd, 2007, 06:22 PM
Why are Africans being allowed to post on Skadi?

Boche
Monday, January 22nd, 2007, 06:26 PM
Because Pan-Aryans are allowed too.

Everyone is allowed to post here, aslong it isn't anti-germanic.
Altough what is "anti-germanic" lies in the eye of the administrators. ;)




Gruß,
Boche

Janus
Monday, January 22nd, 2007, 06:29 PM
Why shouldn't they be allowed to post here? If a negro is interested in Germanics and their history,mythology or something else it's fully ok if they are here aslong as they don't spread anti Germanic opinions.

Jäger
Monday, January 22nd, 2007, 06:30 PM
Why are Africans being allowed to post on Skadi?
I think Skadi tolerates everyone who is not against germanic preservation, and what actually is "against germanic preservation" is solely up to the Admin and the appointed moderators, and out of experience they really don't like it when members try to tell them what they consider anti-germanic.
You just have to take it or leave Skadi :)

Immortal Warrior
Monday, January 22nd, 2007, 06:48 PM
Are the Africans allowed to post as they please or only restricted areas.

Siegfried
Monday, January 22nd, 2007, 06:51 PM
I am unaware of an African member. Who is (s)he?

The forum is intended for people of Germanic heritage. People of different heritage are welcome within certain bounds. I think the first rule is quite clear:


1 (a). This is a board for people of Germanic heritage. Views, ideas, and contributions that are hostile to Germanics or their heritage are not permitted.

(b). The account of Members that are judged to be, even if only partly ethnically non-Germanic, may be unappealably terminated if their contributions, either individually or in combination with the contributions of other such members, either by force of their numbers or their impact, are increasingly considered a risk to the integrity of or a burden to Skadi Forum, its Mission Statement, or its Germanic community.If you feel a particular post is anti-Germanic, please report it using the link in the postbit. We'll be sure to take a look at it.

WPMP3
Monday, January 22nd, 2007, 06:56 PM
She is a writerin of the german part of the forum and her posts are good and don`t anti- Germanic.

Siegfried
Monday, January 22nd, 2007, 06:57 PM
She is a writerin of the german part of the forum and her posts are good and don`t anti- Germanic.

Ah, outside my jurisdiction then :D

FinstererStreiter
Monday, January 22nd, 2007, 07:01 PM
By the love of the gods, not every African is black! South Africa, for example, has a quite large white population.

As long as they post according to the rules, I´ve no problem with them. The "Blacks are automatically inferior and stupid"-stuff is not my cake.
(On the other hand, I dont want to read "bling-bling HipHop-Afrocultural" crap here. But since this isn´t the case, no feelings harmed)

Glynd Eastŵd
Monday, January 22nd, 2007, 07:05 PM
Are you referring to White Africans or Black ones? I agree with what's already been said. If they are obeying the rules and in support of Germanic preservationism then they shouldn't get banned, it would only reflect badly on the forum. I'd hate for Skadi to become another Stormfront, where people of other races are immediately shunned. More often than not they are more educated than 90% of the "lolz i h8 nigras n jews 14 88" type Americans one can find in abundance at SF.

Immortal Warrior
Monday, January 22nd, 2007, 07:14 PM
Are you referring to White Africans or Black ones? I agree with what's already been said. If they are obeying the rules and in support of Germanic preservationism then they shouldn't get banned, it would only reflect badly on the forum. I'd hate for Skadi to become another Stormfront, where people of other races are immediately shunned. More often than not they are more educated than 90% of the "lolz i h8 nigras n jews 14 88" type Americans one can find in abundance at SF.

Ain't it the truth.At Stormfront they won't allow me to post in the General area because I'm not White European but Persian.Then they have a thread about wine a Persian invention.The irony.

fonze
Monday, January 22nd, 2007, 08:14 PM
More often than not they are more educated than 90% of the "lolz i h8 nigras n jews 14 88" type Americans one can find in abundance at SF.

Ahhhh, I love skadi. :D

ladybright
Monday, January 22nd, 2007, 09:09 PM
I am late on the bandwagon but want to add my two cents. The black woman in the german section seems to be a positive member of skadi. Our new afrocaribean member seems interested in clasification.

I am glad that it is the actions of members that affect their standing not their race. It is possible for nongermanics to be curious and respectful of germanics.

AlbionMP
Thursday, January 25th, 2007, 09:29 AM
Thank you all for the replies.

I started the thread because it's important for me to know, who seriously considers the Race issue and who does not.

My personal viewpoint is that non-Germanics or certainly non-Whites should be confined to the free speech forum.

After all recent European history shows, that if you let one in, then you'll soon be letting the whole tribe in.

Some of you may like to remember: The Tale of the Ducks and the Hens

http://www.HonestMediaToday.com/DucksAndHens-l.wmv (http://www.honestmediatoday.com/DucksAndHens-l.wmv)



So once again - thanks!

I appreciate knowing where Skadi stands on the Race issue.

(http://www.honestmediatoday.com/DucksAndHens-l.wmv)

Boche
Thursday, January 25th, 2007, 10:17 AM
My personal viewpoint is that non-Germanics or certainly non-Whites should be confined to the free speech forum.

(http://www.honestmediatoday.com/DucksAndHens-l.wmv)

Not every white is germanic, nor of germanic decent. To be honest i'm against all this "White"-Gibberish. Because you simply can't define it.
The Slav says he/she's white. The Pan-Aryan Middle-Easterner says he/she's white. The Nord-Sinid Japanese guy looks white, hence his pale face.
It's a Non-Sense word at all.
So what's a "White Race" ?



Gruß
Boche

Blood_Axis
Thursday, January 25th, 2007, 10:37 AM
My personal viewpoint is that non-Germanics or certainly non-Whites should be confined to the free speech forum.

After all recent European history shows, that if you let one in, then you'll soon be letting the whole tribe in.

I would like to tease you around a bit but I better take it easy :wsg

I am somewhat perplexed with the above statement.

Skadi is a forum. It is not a Lebensborn community. It is not a country. :P

That been said, a forum serves the purpose of the exchange of information as well as for formal & casual discussion.

Letting non-germanic or non-european people that are interested in Germanic culture, does not mean you are letting them into your countries and your families. Also, being non-germanic, is not contagious. The other way around also. I recently had myself checked for germanicness and I was no more germanic than I was before I joined Skadi. :D

cielblanc
Thursday, January 25th, 2007, 10:46 AM
Not every white is germanic, nor of germanic decent. To be honest i'm against all this "White"-Gibberish. Because you simply can't define it.
...
So what's a "White Race" ?

The commonly accepted concept for White "Aryan" Race is European Europids.Is this term clear enough for you? It really doesn't matter do you like it or not- being from one and the same race with a Pole for example.That's just how life works.Ironic, isn't it?

Enlil
Thursday, January 25th, 2007, 10:47 AM
Well.. how would you determine if someone is Germanic or 'White'? Should everyone be obliged to post photos & measurements? The only thing that would change with a rule based on someone's race, instead of their views expressed in the forum, is that these people would lie about their race. It's the Internet (a series of tubes), folks.

Boche
Thursday, January 25th, 2007, 11:05 AM
The commonly accepted concept for White "Aryan" Race is European Europids.Is this term clear enough for you? It really doesn't matter do you like it or not- being from one and the same race with a Pole for example.That's just how life works.Ironic, isn't it?


I dont care, i wouldnt even care if a Russian has the same Race as me.
But i differe from cultures. And for me is not every European-Europid on the same level as me concerning traits, culture, values and temper. So i differ from them. I don't count them to be a part of me.
That's why i count Pan-Aryanism as being some people who have probably some issues with theirelves that they want to be a part of this and this.
I'm also nordic racially, and still i don't care if i'm an "Aryan" or not an "Aryan".
That "being Aryan" is nothing which affects my life in any way, so it's irrelevant.



@Enlil

The Internet is not a big truck! (View attachment) ;)




Gruß,
Boche

cielblanc
Thursday, January 25th, 2007, 11:30 AM
I dont care, i wouldnt even care if a Russian has the same Race as me.
But i differe from cultures. And for me is not every European-Europid on the same level as me concerning traits, culture, values and temper. So i differ from them.

Of course that representants from different meta-ethnicities and nationalities differ from each other.We aren't one nation and we have sub-divions and diversities among ourselves that make us even more beautiful.

AlbionMP
Thursday, January 25th, 2007, 12:46 PM
Race and Nation!

My hope is that every person of European descent, will at some point - try to understand these 3 words.

Without our Race, there will be no Nations!

Without our Nations, there will be no Cultures!

Without our Cultures, there will be no Skadi Forum!


"THERE are some truths which are so obvious that for this very reason they are not seen or at least not recognized by ordinary people. They sometimes pass by such truisms as though blind and are most astonished when someone suddenly discovers what everyone really ought to know. Columbus's eggs lie around by the hundreds of thousands, but Columbuses are met with less frequently.

Thus men without exception wander about in the garden of Nature; they imagine that they know practically everything and yet with few exceptions pass blindly by one of the most patent principles of Nature's rule: the inner segregation of the species of all living beings on this earth."

....

http://www.hitler.org/writings/Mein_Kampf/mkv1ch11.html

Boche
Thursday, January 25th, 2007, 12:53 PM
Without our Race, there will be no Nation!

Without our Nation, there will be no Culture!

Without our Culture, there will be no Skadi Forum!



What do you mean with "OUR". Europeans don't have all the same culture, Race nor Nation.


Jedem das Seine (Each his own).




Gruß,
Boche

Bridie
Thursday, January 25th, 2007, 02:14 PM
I really couldn't give a toss if there are just a few black Africans or Asians or whatever posting regularly on Skadi... I can always avoid them if I want to. :) I would only view it as a problem if there became too many of them - thus eventually altering the orientation and "atmosphere" of the board. (Perhaps mirroring, on a small-scale, the problems we all face with mass immigration into our own countries... ie, numbers = power to change and dominate.)

I come here (to Skadi) to interact and discuss with Europeans and those of European post colonies (of Euro ancestry) who are interested in some way or another in politics or race or society/culture or all 3... if I wanted to talk to some Indian, Arab or East Asian people I would step outside my door and have a chat with my neighbours. :chinese :arab :hide :attila :osama

Frans_Jozef
Thursday, January 25th, 2007, 04:21 PM
I have a Turkish friend in Ankara; some of the older 'generation' at Skadi might remember him under his Skadi alias 'Torrent'. He has a great admiration for the Germanics and in particuler the German nation and its thousand years of history, culture and accomplishments on the world scene as motor of ideas and technical, scientifical innovations. Something that still has to be heard from some Anglo-Saxon dreamer of lost empires...

He is not at all happy with the presence of immigrants in our native countries, that includes Turks. Compare this attitude and love for our culture and race with some of my neighbours' complaints about the 'brownies', hurrying themselves to add that if they earn money by doing a job, learn to speak our language and respect our laws, they're all right as worthy citizens.

I am glad to have this Turk as a friend, but can't say the same about some of my compatriots with their sheepish excuses. :|

OneEnglishNorman
Thursday, January 25th, 2007, 06:43 PM
I admit, I'm totally confused as to what is Germanic and what is not. If it is cultural then that is fairly easy. But then you risk drawing immigrant "sons of Empire" into the fold. If it is racial then some parts of "Celtic" Scotland are significantly more Germanic than some parts of Germany.

SuuT
Thursday, January 25th, 2007, 07:32 PM
I think that it is important to remember that this is an internet forum: its *reality* is virtual.

Equally important, is the inclusiveness that must be demonstrated in such a venue, if by no other reason than 'we' are quite deviant with all of our concern over 'preservation'/'racialism'/'racism' - what have you: while absurd to the most of us at this forum, we are - quite literally in much of Europe (e.g. Germany) - not allowed or alloted the rights of 'preservation' that the invited guests of particular nations are.

So Skadi (in my eyes, anyway) provides a voice and a chance to have one for people who are not 'in the mix', as it were, in realities other than virtual.

A natural byproduct of *virtual* inclusiveness and lattitude is the realisation by large numbers of people that we are not 'EVIL' for having the concerns that we have.

I suppose (and I've thought about it, myself) that Skadi could attempt to simulate, in a virtual fasion, what a future Nation State might look like after re-asserting and pressing our rights: but is the world ripe for such a thing? - is the forum itself?


Most importantly, though, is that this forum really should be recognised for what it is capable of: discussion!

If you want actual change, this forum may motivate some here and there to that end in a reality other than virtual. But the bottom line is this: to initiate change in a tangible way, requires means beyond a discussion forum.

Go out, get involved, prepare your mind, prepare your body, make REAL connections that involve handshakes, network, open eyes, help, be an example...


I love and financially support Skadi because I see it as (and a truly hope no one takes this the wrong way) a nursery of sorts: anyone who has ever grown anything from seed, will know what I say, when I say, that a container grown seedling - eventually - needs to be repotted, if not put right to ground, for growth.

Thorburn
Thursday, January 25th, 2007, 10:58 PM
I must say, I'm a bit flabbergasted that the same topic seems to come up every quarter or so.

People would really do good if they would take a few minutes time and read about the orientation, purpose, and mission of a forum before they signed up. What it is all about in other words.

There seem to be in particular quite a few people referred from Stormfront to Skadi, usually because of our science sections and because Skadi is not precisely in favor of censorship and the political correctness.

What many of them fail to understand is that Skadi is not another white nationalist forum which one also should join. In fact, we have nothing to do with white nationalism. Most of our members either don't care about it or are even opposed to it. It's not a NS forum, or a pan-Aryan forum, or a forum dedicated to European nationalism either, but simply a Germanic heritage forum. While individual members of Skadi might be concerned about a lot of things and might have strong views about a lot of things, the topic and theme of this forum is Germanics, their identity, their roots, their heritage, their culture, their values, their philosophy, their perspective, their consciousness and everything else that belongs to us.

If somebody is a white nationalist (or of any other political persuasion), he could be interested in Germanic issues, too. We do not consider any political perspective as being a priori incompatible with a pro-Germanic perspective. If he is interested in Germanic issues, he is as welcome to join as everybody else, and we are looking forward to his good contributions about Germanics. If all he has in mind is to discuss white nationalism and why only white nationalism can save us, and why we should all unite, and why being Germanic doesn't matter, and if it is his primary intent to post about the last white nationalist events and strategies, he might be simply on the wrong forum. Those posts would find more interested readers on Stormfront, for sure. He'll be wasting his time and ours.

It's important that people understand this. We are interested in Germanics. We are interested (on this board) in other things only as far, as it concerns Germanics. It could be interesting to read a thread whether National Socialism was an expression of the original Germanic spirit or not; but if all you have in mind is to post NS devotionalia and speeches, I'm sure you'll find a National Socialist board that will welcome them. It can be interesting to read which cultural similarities existed between the ancient Aryans and the ancient Germanics, but if you all you want to discuss is Aryan customs and their impact on Indian society, please don't bother. And the Roman Empire only concerns us, as far as it had an impact on Germanics, positive or negative. I don't think this is so difficult to understand.

As a Germanic board we are interested in Germanics. Whether people are white or not is of no concern to us. If a non-Germanic, white or not, should come along, we will judge him by his contributions. Why is he here?

Let's assume a black should come along. Does he confuse Skadi with PANF and wants to convince us that the true Aryans were black? Is he here to open a cyber café to discuss everything but things of concern to Germanics? Is he here to troll and to insult us? In these cases, he'll have broken many rules very soon and his membership will come to an end. Or: is he here to learn about Germanics and to contribute about the cultural and linguistic impact the British Empire or the German Reich had on his home country while it used to be a colony? Is he here to tell us how Germanics helped his family, nation or tribe? Is he behaving respectfully and benevolent, as a guest should? In these cases, we wouldn't see a reason to remove him, nor do we see a reason, why he shouldn't be able to post about the Kariba dam in the history section. It's all a matter of quality and attitude i. m. h. o.

The only exception is that too many non-Germanics might become a burden to Skadi's Germanic community and might deprive Skadi of its Germanic flair. That's a problem of quantity, and we will have an eye on this independently.

ladybright
Thursday, January 25th, 2007, 11:43 PM
^I agree completely! Thorburn officially rocks!

Maybe this should be sticky so the same conversation does not have to be repeated every few months. I think that the original question has been definitively answered so closing the thread may also be appropriate
.

Æmeric
Friday, January 26th, 2007, 12:28 AM
I have no problems with Africans at Skadi, just as long as we continue to have seperate drinking fountains for "White" & "Colored".;)

AlbionMP
Friday, January 26th, 2007, 11:15 AM
My main point is that - Culture is a product of the Nation.

Germanic Culture is a product of the Germanic Nations.

The Nature of the Germanic Nations is - Racially European!

Not African.

Therefore, Germanic Culture is NOT African, and can never be.

Neither does Germanic Culture stem from Africans.

In other words, it is impossible for an African to ever make a contribution to Germanic Culture.

I understand, that some of the more 'Politically Correct' may find this disconcerting, but facts are facts.

My personal viewpoint is, that I have seen people in my home country - making allowances for the 'odd african', here and there.

This has been detrimental to the Culture of my home Nation.

So from a Cultural perspective: non-Germanic, non-European contributions are only going to be detrimental, in the long term.

It's all down to what you want!

A Germanic Culture Forum ?

or

A 'Multicultural' Forum ?

You cannot have both.

Boche
Friday, January 26th, 2007, 12:39 PM
A Germanic Culture Forum ?

or

A 'Multicultural' Forum ?

You cannot have both.


Stop being paranoid. This is the Internet. Actually people could register here, say they are Nordic racially and in the truth they are some US-american Negro. Actually everybody who didn't post a few pictures here could be a negro. Maybe you could be one too? ;) No offense.
But it's the I N T E R N E T.

This forum is pro-germanic and not pro-multiculturism.
Can you show many any thread which is anti-germanic and pro-multiculturism?


If you wan't a White-Power Forum which is mostly full of swarthy Pan-Aryans anyway then go to Stormfront.



Gruß,
Boche

Jäger
Friday, January 26th, 2007, 01:09 PM
This forum is pro-germanic and not pro-multiculturism.
Like intermingling the french civilization with the german culture? :D


Can you show many any thread which is anti-germanic and pro-multiculturism?
Most foreign races who come here are indeed not necessarily for multiculturalism, but mostly for the disregard of race. Like Ebonygirl, the african women from the german section, who said something along the lines of: A Nigger in Lederhosen who speaks german is a better german than some of our white "failures".
I consider the disregard of race anit-germanic, since I belive in a strong connection between culture and race. And would actually consider race more important.

On the contrary, what thread of this Nigger would you consider pro-germanic?

Boche
Friday, January 26th, 2007, 01:32 PM
Like intermingling the french civilization with the german culture? :D

Intermingling? Not really. I wouldn't like having a non-german woman which would try to be a cultural german. That would be silly. :D She keeps her own pride and cultural values. So it's no cultural-mixing.



Most foreign races who come here are indeed not necessarily for multiculturalism, but mostly for the disregard of race. Like Ebonygirl, the african women from the german section, who said something along the lines of: A Nigger in Lederhosen who speaks german is a better german than some of our white "failures".
I consider the disregard of race anit-germanic, since I belive in a strong connection between culture and race. And would actually consider race more important.Yes Ebonygirl is one of those examples who came here and are "interessted" of germanic culture, history, traits and religions.
I never said that the negros who come here are not multiculturists.

But to be honest. I would be quite bored if there are no people with a different way of life and opinion who come here to talk about their views and discuss.
If Skadi would be full of people who say Agree-Agree-Agree, then i'd get bored.


On the contrary, what thread of this Nigger would you consider pro-germanic?I didn't see anti-germanic ones either.


Gruß,
Boche

Jäger
Friday, January 26th, 2007, 01:46 PM
She keeps her own pride and cultural values. So it's no cultural-mixing.
Like Turks who keep their traditions while living in Kreuzberg are not mulitcultural for Germany? :)


Yes Ebonygirl is one of those examples who came here and are "interessted" of germanic culture, history, traits and religions.
I never said that the negros who come here are not multiculturists.
She is interested in it to adopt better. I actually met quite a few Niggers who thought so. That's the way of the CDU :D


But to be honest. I would be quite bored if there are no people with a different way of life and opinion who come here to talk about their views and discuss.
If Skadi would be full of people who say Agree-Agree-Agree, then i'd get bored.
We have enough germanics who disagree, you should know :| ;)
Addtitionally it makes one go in circles, it might be interesting to defend an opinion to someone who has a different thinking, but in the end doing it 1263871 times is bugging me. But yeah, It's the internet :P


I didn't see anti-germanic ones either.
I gave you an example, her political ideas are not different to any multicultural "neo-conservative", I consider this heavily anti-germanic.
If she were american she should join this guys http://www.nbra.info/

AlbionMP
Friday, January 26th, 2007, 02:11 PM
An Analogy for Race, Nation and Culture

Imagine a garden with lots of Temperate Trees.

Race: as all the Trees are Temperate, we can say that all the Trees are of the same Race.

Nation: for each species, e.g. Sycamore Trees, Common Holly, Whitebeam and Oak, we can say that a single or a group of specimens are a Nation.

Culture: when one of the specimens produces Buds, Fruit and Flowers this is what is called Culture.

If we add to this: the fact that Temperate Trees only produce Temperate Culture, and Temperate Culture is only produced by Temperate Trees.

We can conclude: that it is impossible for Temperate Culture to be produced by non-Temperate Trees.


Note: not only is it impossible for an African to contribute towards Germanic Culture, but it irresponsible for Germans to take the liberal attitude that Africans can contribute.

Æmeric
Friday, January 26th, 2007, 02:30 PM
I am not familiar with this African, I was not aware she was here until this thread. But I find it odd that she would care about Germanic/Nordish culture in the same matter that we do. Maybe she is just curious about us. Or maybe she is a wannaby, as in "want to be White", I've met a few Negroes like that. Or maybe she was bothered by the idea of an all-White forum so she decided to integrate Skadi. Many of Negroes are like that, they can't stand the thought of Whites having something just for themselves. It also reminds me of the other thread, about Black girls prefering White dolls, maybe this African just prefers being around White/Germanics, even if it's only in cyberspace.

Boche
Friday, January 26th, 2007, 02:31 PM
Like Turks who keep their traditions while living in Kreuzberg are not mulitcultural for Germany? :)

Now it's getting absurd. ;) Most important thing for me is that it fits racially and the characteristics. Not if the person is english and acts english, or if the person is swedish and acts swedish. Also i count Western Europeans mostly as germanic. concerning heritage and traits. I get better along with an French or English than with a Russian or Turk. :)



She is interested in it to adopt better. I actually met quite a few Niggers who thought so. That's the way of the CDU :D

You should be more concerned about that she actually said that she thinks nordic men are the most attractive ones. :P



We have enough germanics who disagree, you should know :| ;)
Addtitionally it makes one go in circles, it might be interesting to defend an opinion to someone who has a different thinking, but in the end doing it 1263871 times is bugging me. But yeah, It's the internet :P

Discussing is still better then something like this:

Thread opens ---> 1st post blablablabla? 2nd post I fully agree! 3rd post You got a point there 4th post Thank you for posting this, i fully agree. etc. ;)



I gave you an example, her political ideas are not different to any multicultural "neo-conservative", I consider this heavily anti-germanic.
If she were american she should join this guys http://www.nbra.info/


Not sure. the USA was invaded by the whites killing the native american culture. Then it was invaded by the negros and then the mexicans, which kill their neo-culture now, i don't even see a reason why americans complain - they just do the same as they did.
So i'm not surprised that such an organization exists in the USA, is there also already a mestizo-one? :P




Gruß,
Boche

Æmeric
Friday, January 26th, 2007, 02:46 PM
Not sure. the USA was invaded by the whites killing the native american culture. Then it was invaded by the negros and then the mexicans, which kill their neo-culture now, i don't even see a reason why americans complain - they just do the same as they did.


This is off subject but I have to respond to this comment. What is now the US & Canada were very thinly populated at the time Columbus discovered America. Most of the Indians living here subsisted mainly by hunting, most of what is now the nation of the USA was a hunting ground. This is why the English settlers were able to displace the Amerindians so easily, as oppose to the Spanish who imposed their rule but never became demographically dominate in places like Mexico & Peru. There were some Indians who lived mainly by farming such as the Pueblo Indians in New Mexico & Arizona & they kept their Pueblos as reservations. And the Amerindian population is greater now then when the English landed at Jamestown. As for the US being invaded by Mexicans, why shouldn't we complain. What rights do Indians & Mestizos from Mexico have to the US. They have no historical ties to this country. Even the southwest of the US that was once part of Mexico was uninhabited when the US conquered it. Besides the Mexicans took it from the Spanish less then 30 years before the Americans took it from the Mexicans. Mexicans have no more right to the US then Turks or Africans to Germany.

ladybright
Friday, January 26th, 2007, 02:56 PM
She lives in Germany acording to her profile. That is more than us americans can say as far as what language we speak on a daily basis and what problems we have to deal with. I am not saying she (or any one individual) is more deserving of this than an ethnic german. But there is no need to put up a 'Germans only' sign at the gate. If your form an offline culb about Germany or Germanic culture than you get to write the criteria regarding entry. My heritage is Scandinavian and Irish with some supposed Hessians 250 years ago. Does that mean that I should only get to post in the northern germanics, celtic relm and american sections? Not acording to the rules of the forum. I have gone to powwows and that does not make me a pinkskin of tribe Wannabee. It shows my intrest in and respect for Indian culture and religon.
Some people have been banned for not contributing to the Germanic nature of this forum. That is the the way the rules work.

Jäger
Friday, January 26th, 2007, 03:44 PM
Discussing is still better then something like this ...
You should read here what DvB says about homogenity and discussions :)
http://forum.thiazi.net/showthread.php?t=64048



Not sure. [...] So i'm not surprised that such an organization exists in the USA, is there also already a mestizo-one? :P
I don't think it is an attempt to take over america, more a fight against the black = democrat attempt.


My heritage is Scandinavian and Irish with some supposed Hessians 250 years ago. Does that mean that I should only get to post in the northern germanics, celtic relm and american sections?
No, on the question who can be what ethnicity have alook here http://forums.skadi.net/german_americans-t51797.html
If this is clear, the term Germanic is pretty well defined.

As a whole, I don't mind her that much, after I talked about slavery with another user she acutally never wanted to come back here :D, but she did :(
Anyway she is of no interest to me, her premise is entirely different, because she wants to stay in Germany, and thus has a different one for the justification.´
I won't dive into discussions with her anymore.

AlbionMP
Friday, January 26th, 2007, 06:04 PM
For those who do not know!

There are approximately over 4 billion third world people hoping to move to where people of European descent now live.

Anyone under the age of 60, is going to see this tidal wave of 'coloured people' marching into our living space.

At some point you are going to have to draw a line in the sand, otherwise you will not survive the numbers that are on their way. It's time to start circling the wagons.

Demographically speaking, the numbers of people of European descent in the USA is down to 65% and falling fast.

The numbers of people of European descent in Europe is over 85%, but that is also falling fast.

Our European Kin in the US still have their guns!

We in Europe don't!

I believe that when the numbers of Europeans in Europe falls below 65%......people will then agree with what I have posted on this thread, and that we should never of even let one of them in.

Glynd Eastŵd
Friday, January 26th, 2007, 06:34 PM
This is off subject but I have to respond to this comment. What is now the US & Canada were very thinly populated at the time Columbus discovered America. Most of the Indians living here subsisted mainly by hunting, most of what is now the nation of the USA was a hunting ground.

How can you say with such confidence that the USA was thinly populated before the White settlers arrived? Historians estimate there could have been as many as 120 million Native Americans before the European arrival. Granted, a large number of them were killed off through disease and famine, but even then the Whites were forced to push them off their ancestral lands to make way for their own selfish expansion. Haven't you ever heard about the migrations orchestrated by the US government? Events like 'The Trail of Tears'? :(

http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/aia/part4/images/4tear44b.jpg

Æmeric
Friday, January 26th, 2007, 06:34 PM
Demographically speaking, the numbers of people of European descent in the USA is down to 65% and falling fast.

The numbers of people of European descent in Europe is over 85%, but that is also falling fast.

85% of European descent is about where the US was in 1970.

ladybright
Friday, January 26th, 2007, 06:45 PM
/off topic/
How can you say with such confidence that the USA was thinly populated before the White settlers arrived? Historians estimate there could have been as many as 120 million Native Americans before the European arrival. Granted, a large number of them were killed off through disease, but even then the Whites were forced to push them off their ancestral lands to make way for their own selfish expansion. Haven't you ever heard about the migrations orchestrated by the US government like 'The Trail of Tears'?

Indian population records (http://members.aol.com/bbbenge/page22.html)
Trail of tears information (http://ngeorgia.com/history/nghisttt.html)
Comanche information (http://www.badeagle.com/html/comanches.html) written by a conservative indian.
Vine Deloria jr (http://www.ipl.org/div/natam/bin/browse.pl/A31) an 'Angry Indian' writer who you may agree with./offtopic

This whole thread is starting to wander offtopic.
@Albion we have been warned. You can tell me that you said so.

I do not think that anything that is added to this tread will get the rules changed as to whom is allowed to be a member. We have heard opinions ascross the spectrum. I could be wrong but it looks like the horse is dead. It is time for me to stop beating it.

Æmeric
Friday, January 26th, 2007, 07:21 PM
How can you say with such confidence that the USA was thinly populated before the White settlers arrived? Historians estimate there could have been as many as 120 million Native Americans before the European arrival. Granted, a large number of them were killed off through disease and famine, but even then the Whites were forced to push them off their ancestral lands to make way for their own selfish expansion. Haven't you ever heard about the migrations orchestrated by the US government? Events like 'The Trail of Tears'? :(


There was not 120 million Amerindians living in what is now the US. What is now the US & Canada was sparcely populated in 1492. There was perhaps 2 million Amerindians living north of the Rio Grande when Europeans arrived. There were tens of millions of Amerindians but they lived mainly in central & southern Mexico and in the Andes region of South America, regions which btw happen to still be heavily Indian today. 120 million is a unrealistically high estimate for the total numbers of Amerindians in the New World in 1492, a figure spread by the same cultural marxists who want to turn Europe & North America into multiracial societies. The misinformation you cited is the same misinformation used by multiculturalists to justify the dispossession of Anglo-Americans, that implies that we obtained this land by genocide & have no moral right to object to the overrunning of our country by third world immigrants.

There were other areas in the New World which were also sparcely populated in 1492, such as Argentina & Brazil which is why Argentina was populated by Europeans, & Brazil by Europeans & Africans.

Glynd Eastŵd
Friday, January 26th, 2007, 08:04 PM
There was not 120 million Amerindians living in what is now the US. What is now the US & Canada was sparcely populated in 1492. There was perhaps 2 million Amerindians living north of the Rio Grande when Europeans arrived.

I think 2 million is much too low a figure. If you take into account that there were literally thousands of different tribes spread out all across America and Canada, some of which had tens of thousands of people in them. Perhaps there were 2 million left after they were exposed to diseases like smallpox.


There were tens of millions of Amerindians but they lived mainly in central & southern Mexico and in the Andes region of South America, regions which btw happen to still be heavily Indian today. I'm not arguing that there were more Amerindians in South America.


120 million is a unrealistically high estimate for the total numbers of Amerindians in the New World in 1492, a figure spread by the same cultural marxists who want to turn Europe & North America into multiracial societies.Cultural marxists eh? That sounds like a conspiracy to me. America was founded as an immigrant society so it's no suprise it's become the worldwide model for multiculturalism.


The misinformation you cited is the same misinformation used by multiculturalists to justify the dispossession of Anglo-Americans, that implies that we obtained this land by genocide & have no moral right to object to the overrunning of our country by third world immigrants.If it's misinformation then perhaps you could provide some evidence to the contrary. I'm not trying to justify the dispossession of Anglo-Saxons. I can sympathise with the situation White Americans face in modern times (the Mexicans certainly have no more claim to the land), but that isn't to say they were right in effectively destroying the Native Indian culture.

Leofric
Friday, January 26th, 2007, 08:12 PM
I for one am really glad we have Africans (http://forums.skadi.net/member.php?u=6154) on Skadi. I wish we had a hundred more Africans just like him!

Æmeric
Friday, January 26th, 2007, 08:37 PM
I think 2 million is much too low a figure. If you take into account that there were literally thousands of different tribes spread out all across America and Canada, some of which had tens of thousands of people in them. Perhaps there were 2 million left after they were exposed to diseases like smallpox.
Most Indians in what became the US mainly subsisted on the hunting of wild game. This does not support a high population density. Unlike the Indians of Mexico & Peru who had a higher civilization based on agriculture.



Cultural marxists eh? That sounds like a conspiracy to me. America was founded as an immigrant society so it's no suprise it's become the worldwide model for multiculturalism.Again, you are cited another multicultural myth. America was founded as a colony for the English/British. There were other northwestern European settlers like the Palatine Germans & Huguenots but they were assimilated into the Anglo-American majority. The melting pot & immigrant nation myths were started by multiculturalists to justify the immigration of large numbers of non-Germanic Europeans into America in the early years of the 20th century & later the immigration of non-Europids to America. The same cultural marxists are peddling this multicultural creed to Europeans.


If it's misinformation then perhaps you could provide some evidence to the contrary.No ,you provide me with evidence of a genocide by my ancestors, the murder of tens of millions of Indians. And while your at it maybe you could locate the 6 million Jewish victims of the Holocaust.

I'm not trying to justify the dispossession of Anglo-Saxons.That is exactly what you are doing when you spread the myth that we committed genocide against the Indians.
I can sympathise with the situation White Americans face in modern times (the Mexicans certainly have no more claim to the land), but that isn't to say they were right in effectively destroying the Native Indian culture.Destroyed Indian culture? The only way you could preserve it is if you made all of North America into a hunting preserve. Actually the Indians preserved a lot of their culture on the reservations but they were living in the stone age before the Anglo-Saxons arrived. Regardless of whether or not the Anglo-Saxons settled this continent, their culture was bound to change by exposure to modern technology.

Before the arrival of Whites, the Indians had the practice of dispossessing one another of land through warfare. The difference with the Anglo-Saxons is that we were of another race. Besides, there is alway the possibility that the Siberians (Amerindians) may have committed genocide against a Caucasian race when they first migrated to the Americas.

Pervitinist
Friday, January 26th, 2007, 08:53 PM
I think 2 million is much too low a figure. If you take into account that there were literally thousands of different tribes spread out all across America and Canada, some of which had tens of thousands of people in them. Perhaps there were 2 million left after they were exposed to diseases like smallpox.

Talking about Indians in this thread is actually not off-topic since the famous rhyme "Ten Little Indians" is known as "Zehn kleine Negerlein" in German.

http://www.buecher-fundgrube.de/images/Zehn%20kleine%20Negerlein.jpg

[heavy sarcasm]And of course, the 2 million figure is much too low. Actually, there were 6 million Indians whom the White (sorry for using the W-word) devils systematically exterminated in gas teepees filled with the farts of dying buffalos (also victims of White speciesist exterminationism). Of course the masterminds of this enormous crime used a coded language to descibe their foul deeds ("resettlement", "small pox", "fire water"). All the immediate witnesses of the Cherokee Sonderkommando were killed, so we have only third-hand reports from hearsay. But don't listen to those nutzy Indiocaust deniers! Whoever opposes Indian, Black, Jewish, Mulatto, Mestizo, Chinese, Bushman, Australoid, Buffalo etc. preservation also opposes Germanic preservation and should consequently be exter... I mean, banned.[/heavy sarcasm]

More seriously, my opinion about Africans (or why not Amerindians?) on Skadi is in fact quite liberal.

I also have nothing against Jews (CL was good for some serious fun), Arabs (Cedarman, I miss you :~( ), Bosniaks (Tvrtko!), Chinese, Japanese etc., persons of all colors the rainbow has to offer - as long as they behave well, show a sincere interest in our Germanic heritage and recognize the supremacy and absolute physical and metaphysical superiority of the Aryan (=Europid = White) race (yes, I'm a Pan-Aryanist).

Otherwise, I simply don't care about how many Indians died or were killed a few hundreds years ago in the process of settling America. What I do care about is what happens right now to White (mostly Germanic) Americans who are faced with a Mestizo mass immigration similar to the Muslim/Mulatto flooding of Europe. This is what Germanic preservation is about in my opinion. The rest is academic wishi-washi.

SuuT
Friday, January 26th, 2007, 08:56 PM
... America was founded as a colony for the English/British. There were other northwestern European settlers like the Palatine Germans & Huguenots but they were assimilated into the Anglo-American majority...

Why does everyone forget the Dutch?:scratch

Anyway..... :smoke

:D

Æmeric
Friday, January 26th, 2007, 09:02 PM
Why does everyone forget the Dutch?:scratch

I'm sorry, I forgot the Dutch also took part in the "dispossession" of the Native Indians. How much was it you paid for Manhattan?:D

Allenson
Friday, January 26th, 2007, 09:35 PM
Just a few shells and beads. ;)

I have oodles of Hudson valley, pipe smoking Dutch ancestors.

Thorburn
Saturday, January 27th, 2007, 01:58 AM
My main point is that - Culture is a product of the Nation.

Germanic Culture is a product of the Germanic Nations.

The Nature of the Germanic Nations is - Racially European!

Not African.

Therefore, Germanic Culture is NOT African, and can never be.

Neither does Germanic Culture stem from Africans.

In other words, it is impossible for an African to ever make a contribution to Germanic Culture.

I understand, that some of the more 'Politically Correct' may find this disconcerting, but facts are facts.

My personal viewpoint is, that I have seen people in my home country - making allowances for the 'odd african', here and there.

This has been detrimental to the Culture of my home Nation.

So from a Cultural perspective: non-Germanic, non-European contributions are only going to be detrimental, in the long term.

It's all down to what you want!

A Germanic Culture Forum ?

or

A 'Multicultural' Forum ?

You cannot have both. Thanks for your input. Well spoken, and I comprehend where you are coming from. As I said, this discussion and suggestion is not new. I think the issue was discussed at least a dozen of times, since this forum was opened.

This is the Internet, and we are dealing with online personalities that can claim to be whatever they want. The question is then how we deal best with persons that are not members of our primary target audience (Germanics) but that do want to join this forum in order to learn either about our perspectives and views (instead of taking the info provided by CNN, MTV, and Bloomberg for granted), or to contribute to Germanic issues.

We could either not permit them to join at all, with the result that we would on the one hand lose many valuable contributors (Blood_Axis, Glenlivet, visigodo, just to name a few). On the other hand, non-Germanics that definitely want to join nonetheless (for reasons of their own), would claim to be Germanics. They will sign up and put "Germanic" into their profile. With the result that members can no longer separate between Germanic perspectives and non-Germanic perspectives. It would in the end create a skewed picture of Germanic values and identity -- for what is perceived as "Germanic" would, in fact, be a multi-cultural consciousness and identity (composed of the perspectives of real Germanics and of those who claim to be Germanics in order not to get banned or quarantined).

I don't think this is a viable and desirable alternative. As we do not have the possibility to verify the racial and ethnic identity of anybody on the Internet, we should at least not encourage people to lie about it. To me it is important to know if a certain perspective originates from a Germanic, from a Greek, or a Negro.

So the question is in the end not if we want to have a Germanic or a multi-cultural board, but whether we want to have a Germanic board that welcomes reasonable and polite guests that want to learn and increase their understanding, maybe in the process also increasing ours, or a board based on hypocrisy, on which a substantial part of the members claim to be Germanic, albeit they aren't, and which produces a Germanic perspective which in the end isn't Germanic, but truly multi-cultural.

As I said, Skadi is no racist board. Our members are smart, educated and cultured enough that they will neither lose their roots, nor will they turn into multi-cultural zombies if they come into contact with a few non-Germanics on Skadi -- those of the respectful, productive kind. Most of our members have to deal with non-Germanics in much larger quantities day by day in the real world, and usually not with their elite.

Those who do not want to be exposed to them for reasons of their own are free to make use of the "Ignore" button. Every Skadi member can quarantine himself whomever he wants, and its time that Germanics begin to take responsibility for their own lives and their own environment, and don't always wait for the government or the administration to solve problems for them, because, due to the structure of the Internet, that's simply not a problem we can solve for them.

Virtual apartheid is simply not gonna work, as long as you have no way to verify if everybody is what he claims to be.