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Von Braun
Tuesday, October 8th, 2002, 10:31 AM
I asked HELLSTAR to do a racial evaluation of me a few weeks ago. His final conclusion, after consulting with others, is that I am dinaric with a little meditteranean. Dinarics are supposed to be a blend of meditteranean and alpine and have short faces and slim builds.

"The skull is both small faced and short headed. The back of the head scarcely rises above the neck."

"There is one dominant set of characters which pervades the Dinaric group; high brachycephaly, nasal convexity, occipital flattening, and a tendency toward the attenuation of extremities"

I am slim, but my face is long, so wouldn't that make me mainly mediterranean or nordic or a combination thereof? My nose is straight, not convex. I am meso or dolichocephalic. Also, I have green eyes and had blonde hair when I was young. If I am completely non-nordish how is that possible?!?! I think I have a dianric build, which I get from my mom's side, but my face/head is obviously not dianric in my opinion. The only dinaric I see in myself (based on what I have read) is "below the neck." Could I get a second opinion or multiple opinions?

(Both quotes from http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/Lobby/7681/dinaric.html)

Von Braun
Tuesday, October 8th, 2002, 10:33 AM
This is me on 4-20 with Dr. Pierce. My face is not short.

Von Braun
Tuesday, October 8th, 2002, 10:35 AM
This is me on 8-24 at the concert following the D.C. rally.

Von Braun
Tuesday, October 8th, 2002, 10:36 AM
My nose is not convex: it is straight.

Von Braun
Tuesday, October 8th, 2002, 10:39 AM
Certainly the bulge in the back of my head indicates significant atlanto-meditteranean and/or nordic ancestry. I am not brachycephalic.

Von Braun
Tuesday, October 8th, 2002, 10:42 AM
I am on the viewer's left (holding the paper), that is my brother with me. I must have a significant amount of nordish (peripheral or central) on both sides of my family.

Von Braun
Tuesday, October 8th, 2002, 12:34 PM
If you mix A and B, then filter out B, then you are left with A.

Fact: Dinarics are a mix of alpine and atlanto-meditteranean.
Fact: HELLSTAR said several times in PMs that he sees no evidence for any alpine in me.
Fact: The final verdict that HELLSTAR gave for me is dinaric and med with some nordic features.

It is very possible that I have dinaric ancestry on my mom's mom side (I showed HELLSTAR a picture of my mom and told him that she is 100% German, and that led him and others to say dinaric as opposed to a peripheral nordish group), but if the alpine part of my dinaric ancestry has been bred out because of my other three grandparents (one was meditteranean and the other two of various nordish groups in my opinion), then why call me partially dinaric? Going by what HELLSTAR said about there being no visible alpine traits in my appearance, and my own concurrence with that opinion, logic would dictate that I am an atlanto-meditteranean (some of it "pure" and some of it "extracted" from the dianric)/nordic mix by appearance and by ancestry as well of course. That is what I have been saying all along. I guess maybe there is some confusion over what one is by his/her ancestry and what one is by his/her appearance, the latter being a subset of the former. I think I may have dinaric ancestry, but I don't think I am dinaric in appearance, at least "above the neck."

P.S.: Sorry if it seems like I have been thinking out loud up until now. Second opinions are still welcome.

GreenHeart
Tuesday, October 8th, 2002, 04:50 PM
In my opinion, it looks like you also have some Anglo-saxon or Keltic influence. Your hair as blond as mine has ever been (but my brother had white blond), and I am called mainly Nordic, East Baltic and Brünn.

Sometimes the coloring though can be misleading..........It doesn't always reflect your ancestry. I see the anglo-saxon or keltic in your facial features (you look like a typical englishman) not your hair or eye color. But from what I heard, kelts have the highest percentage of green eyes.

Hellstar
Tuesday, October 8th, 2002, 05:08 PM
Well my first thoughts when I saw you Von Braun was Dinaric/ Atlantic one way or the other. your most dominant feature is Dinaric as well as in your personality. If we have to make a raw categorisation I wouldn't call you 100% non Nordic, but rather periphery Nordic, I consulted with someone else and was told the Med element was dominant alittle more than I so far thought of it!

And you are not correct about average high Brachyhalic conditions within the Dinaric genepoll at all.

So: Dinaric/Med with some Nordic traits.

And No I dont see any Alpine in you really. Im not buying this theory that Dinarics should solely originate from Meds/Alpines. I have some private theories about that (mainly empirical)

Von Braun
Tuesday, October 8th, 2002, 07:39 PM
Okay, so dinarics are not alpine. That clears up that confusion. But still, why do some sources say that this is the case?

What about my personality is dinaric?

Arno
Tuesday, October 8th, 2002, 09:21 PM
Stop crying Kamerad! Not all person can be nordic! Nordic is small elite and only few are in luck to be born to this strongest masterrace! Not even Führer was absolut nordic and was large part dinaric. dinaric is sort of ok. Alpine (ostisch?) is also stil white. Great German as Beethoven was ostisch and much other more also. This is Masterrace!



http://www.photosammler.de/Foto/Sonstige/ss6.jpg

http://www.photosammler.de/Foto/Sonstige/ss7.jpg

Von Braun
Tuesday, October 8th, 2002, 09:36 PM
Originally posted by Arno
Stop crying Kamerad! Not all person can be nordic! Nordic is small elite and only few are in luck to be born to this strongest masterrace! Not even Führer was absolut nordic and was large part dinaric. dinaric is sort of ok. Alpine (ostisch?) is also stil white. Great German as Beethoven was ostisch and much other more also. This is Masterrace!

I want a consensus. Everyone says different things about me, and certain important things that I do in the future (which I cannot explain to you unless I know you better) depend on what I actually am. I am still waiting for the final answer.

If Hitler was dinaric, why did no one (including you) mention this in the neighboring thread on Hitler's subrace(s)?

britishjustice1488
Wednesday, October 9th, 2002, 12:45 AM
he said that hitler was parrt dinaric....he was definatly nordic mostly....

i dont now why your so bloody concerned wiht your rasial charateristics, i cant understand it, your obviously a medeteranian..... you will never be one of us........

Von Braun
Wednesday, October 9th, 2002, 12:57 AM
Originally posted by britishjustice1488
he said that hitler was parrt dinaric....he was definatly nordic mostly....

i dont now why your so bloody concerned wiht your rasial charateristics, i cant understand it, your obviously a medeteranian..... you will never be one of us........

What are you? And if I am a pure meditteranean, where did my green eyes come from?

britishjustice1488
Wednesday, October 9th, 2002, 12:59 AM
kelts often have green eyes, even blue, how the fuckshould i know mate....

im pure englishman, blond hair blue eyes, and face it, thats somthing youl never be ...

Hellstar
Wednesday, October 9th, 2002, 02:19 AM
Originally posted by britishjustice1488
he said that hitler was parrt dinaric....he was definatly nordic mostly....
Yes I agree he was mostly Nordic, with some Dinaric and Alpine and something else in him.

PS: check Moderators "Seppl`s" Setting of this, in a thread within Race forum.


i dont now why your so bloody concerned wiht your rasial charateristics, you will never be one of us........
Maybe his concerned because people respond this way?


i cant understand it, your obviously a medeteranian..... That is one among many things we are trying to Resolve in this Thread yes.

GreenHeart
Wednesday, October 9th, 2002, 02:42 AM
Originally posted by britishjustice1488
he said that hitler was parrt dinaric....he was definatly nordic mostly....

i dont now why your so bloody concerned wiht your rasial charateristics, i cant understand it, your obviously a medeteranian..... you will never be one of us........



Don't you think you are talking to him a little bit harsh? This is not ok at Aryan Dawn so take it to Stormfront if you want to be an asshole about things. He is White, intelligent, and he fights for our race. He IS one of US. Maybe you are not, since you keep trying to divide us. I do understand that us nordics need to have a special unity which can exclude other sub-races. But that CERTAINLY doesn't mean you should make them feel like shit.


Britishjustice1488 You have been warned for Trolling. Please reread the "Precept" section and then come back.

7. Do not troll. Trolling is the act of posting absurd statements in order to get a reaction. There will be no politically correct censorship on Aryan Dawn, but if you wish to make a solid declaration, try to back it up with evidence and logic.

I won't stand for people trying to divide us or saying they are better than a perfectly good White Aryan member who fights on our side. I don't know if you have realized this but you will need what you call "inferior" meds to help defend us when the time comes. There are not enough nordics in the world to fight the jews alone.

Von Braun
Wednesday, October 9th, 2002, 04:04 AM
Originally posted by britishjustice1488
kelts often have green eyes, even blue, how the fuckshould i know mate....

im pure englishman, blond hair blue eyes, and face it, thats somthing youl never be ...

Thank you britishjustice1488!!!! You have completely justified the existence of this thread! You see, your attitude towards me show why I have doubts that what I am doing is appreciated. I have put up pro-white stickers in one of the most liberal infested strongholds in the zog-controlled u.s. I distributed 1500 anti-israel fliers on 9-11-02. I went to the anti-israel rally on 8-24-02 in washinton d.c. And F. W. de Klerk, the guy who ended apartheid is speaking at my university of 40,000 tomorrow night. I plan on asking him why crime is so much higher now in the hopes of awakening whites in the audience of about 1000.

I am sticking my neck out for ingrates like you. And it has dawned on me lately that nordics have the edge in our movement. IMHO, this is due solely to appearance, as niggers are the epitome of ugly, and all whites are far from niggers in terms of looks, but nordics "go the extrra mile" and look a tiny, tiny bit less like niggers and other muds than non-nordic whites do. In reality, the scientific and industrial revolutions began in mixed sub-racial countries, not Scandanavia. I have ancestry from the big three: England (yes, I am not 100% English like you claim to be), France, and Germany. I am proud to be of these three. However, humans, being the asthetically oriented creatures that we are, forget details like this and focus on the fact that central nordics look the least muddy, nevermind where the scientific and industrial revolutions began (where MY ancestors came from). So I knew that the closest I come to central nordic is peripheral nordic, and now some think I am only a little bit peripheral nordic.

I have a legitimate concern (as you just demonstrated) that I will be back-stabbed after doing all this risky stuff to save the pan-white race. Why should I risk my career, my reputation, and my very life for people like you? Yes, jews are my enemy and they are your enemy as well. To the jews I am an anti-semitic white gentile. To you, I am a sub-human with pale skin (a sub-human getting his M.S.). If enough white nationalists are people like you, I might as well be done with white nationalism and become a "[my full name] and associates" nationalist, buy a few more guns, make a good living, and prepare for the day when things get really bad. It is hard enough surviving in this world. If I will not reap any rewards after victory because my green eyes and the blonde hair I had to the pittly age of three makes me only a tiny percentage peripheral nordic, and therefore not good enough to enter the new homeland, then I will have to live my life, not be active any more, and just defend myself and my future family if and when the time comes. Of course, I will always have my racialist views unless they are somehow proven to be incorrect someday (which I doubt will happen).

Von Braun
Wednesday, October 9th, 2002, 04:09 AM
I feel like adding to the whole scientific/industrial revolution thing I mentioned in the last post. I seem to recall in a history of science class that I once took that Linnaeus of Sweden went to the inferior peripheral nordic/alpine/atlanto-meditteranean/dinaric French scientific academy in Paris in order to learn how to run the new one in central nordic Sweden.

britishjustice1488
Wednesday, October 9th, 2002, 04:09 AM
act all tough will you

well if you were so fuckin smart you would know that your namesake was arrested by the gestapo you moron..........soem Natiionalsocialist.. i havent insulted you at all you come back with a 3 page post,

i fought on the streets of britain and i dont give a rotten curry how many fucked anti-isnotreal rallies you went to you little rat...

im so fucking tiered of you and your kind whining abou nordic oprression - stuff a sock in it, your so weak......

you spened 3 hours justifying your fucking rasial background to me, that shows your true character and weaknes....

show some fucking balls.......

britishjustice1488
Wednesday, October 9th, 2002, 04:12 AM
by the way i dont know why the hell i was bloody warned for trolling - im not refering to "us" as nationalsocialists but as nordics, its true you cant be one of us...........intrepert that how you will mate but it wont change a thing......

britishjustice1488
Wednesday, October 9th, 2002, 04:16 AM
Maybe his concerned because people respond this way?

im sorry, comrade, ill tone it down, i didnt mean to respond bad but i am so tired of thsi weakeness,its so present and von braun sends me pms justifin himself to me, that shows his weakness...

i can understand why he wants to be nordic, but wishing wont mkak it so......

Von Braun
Wednesday, October 9th, 2002, 04:21 AM
Originally posted by britishjustice1488
act all tough will you

well if you were so fuckin smart you would know that your namesake was arrested by the gestapo you moron..........soem Natiionalsocialist.. i havent insulted you at all you come back with a 3 page post,

i fought on the streets of britain and i dont give a rotten curry how many fucked anti-isnotreal rallies you went to you little rat...

im so fucking tiered of you and your kind whining abou nordic oprression - stuff a sock in it, your so weak......

you spened 3 hours justifying your fucking rasial background to me, that shows your true character and weaknes....

show some fucking balls.......

Not nordic oppression, rather central nordic misguidedness in the case of people like you. Seriously, does the fact that you look about 1/10,000 further away from niggers than I look mean you're going to be better at fighting the jews?

By the way, you fought for scraps in britain. Yeah sure, that is really zog's stronghold. I think not. I think I do more good using my brains here than you do you using your lack thereof over there.

britishjustice1488
Wednesday, October 9th, 2002, 04:26 AM
i dont think it takes much brains to go to a fucking anti-israel rally pal, legs is all youll need there and if not legs maybe a shopping cart or an wheelchair..... it takes guts to fight on the streeet where blood is spilt for real, while all you use your'e arm for is thorwing pamplets and smething else we wont go into...



but look braun i dont wanna start a feud with you mate, lets end this but i dont like the way you try an justify yourself to me, ill except any comrade who will gaurd my back and likewise,

HEIL HITLER

Von Braun
Wednesday, October 9th, 2002, 04:28 AM
Originally posted by britishjustice1488


im sorry, comrade, ill tone it down, i didnt mean to respond bad but i am so tired of thsi weakeness,its so present and von braun sends me pms justifin himself to me, that shows his weakness...

i can understand why he wants to be nordic, but wishing wont mkak it so......

I need to ascertain where I stand in the context of the future homeland(s). Is it just for central nordics? Is it for anyone who is mostly nordic of some sort (central or peripheral)? Or is it for all whites? Tell me, if you had your way would I be excluded based on my alleged low peripheral nordic content? Believe me, if most are like you, then I'll just have to sit back and let you die miserably without my help.

By the way, I sent you one PM about your first post. As someone from Britain, I assume that you know that if I sent you one PM that you should not say that I sent you "pms."

Von Braun
Wednesday, October 9th, 2002, 04:35 AM
To anyone who may potentially misundertsand what I was saying in some of the last few posts: I do honestly think that the OBSSESSION with the central nordic look is about them looking the least muddy of all whites. That they look the least muddy is indeed an objective truth. I WAS NOT saying that the only thing that they have going for them is the fact that they bear the least resemblance to niggers and other muds. I WAS saying that some people, central, peripheral, or whatever, focus on this one thing as if looks alone makes for superiority. I do recognize that central nordics have many great internal traits like all other white subgroups.

Von Braun
Wednesday, October 9th, 2002, 04:46 AM
Originally posted by britishjustice1488
i dont think it takes much brains to go to a fucking anti-israel rally pal, legs is all youll need there and if not legs maybe a shopping cart or an wheelchair..... it takes guts to fight on the streeet where blood is spilt for real, while all you use your'e arm for is thorwing pamplets and smething else we wont go into...



but look braun i dont wanna start a feud with you mate, lets end this but i dont like the way you try an justify yourself to me, ill except any comrade who will gaurd my back and likewise,

HEIL HITLER

True, it does not take much brains to go to a rally. But I got there with money I made with my brains. I also thought of what to put on my sign. As for ending it, that sounds good to me.

Arno
Wednesday, October 9th, 2002, 02:16 PM
Originally posted by Von Braun


True, it does not take much brains to go to a rally. But I got there with money I made with my brains. I also thought of what to put on my sign. As for ending it, that sounds good to me.

Heil Kamerad! Pleas tell us what is so spezial about making money with brains? My grandfather was work-helper on farm. He was strongest man in little town and with 16 could carry wights a normal grown person can carry. He was not so smart as university proffesor, but was good fighter, And he fight great in war and earned iron cross and badge for "hand-battle" (Nahkampfspange). Führer said that it dos not matter what you work but how good you work for the community everyone on his place. I dont like arrogance of "proffesors" over working-class persons. That is not NS-Idea. Like Kamerad britishjustice said fighting reds scum on street and kicking teeth of subhuman is more worth then throwing stickers all over the place. I know him personaly from concert. You would be very happy to have him as Kamerad when times get tough and he secures your safeness! Let it be be cool Kamerad! He sometimes sound hard - but he is great friend with hard fists and soft heart for our race.

Heil

Hellstar
Wednesday, October 9th, 2002, 05:36 PM
beautiful put Arno:viking

BodewinTheSilent
Thursday, October 10th, 2002, 01:11 AM
*Ahem!* Time for an expert opinion here, methinks. :)

Von Braun, I would say that you are a basically a Dinaric type, with Mediterranean, and minor Nordish strains. I think your confusion results from misunderstanding your sources.

Firstly, the idea that Dinarics are an Alpine/Mediterranean blend, is really nothing more than a theory, that was proposed by C. S. Coon. Other anthropologists, such as Hans F. K. Gunther (the Third Reich's race theorist) disagreed, and thought that they had a different origin.

Secondly, your source on Dinarics is a poor translation of the German original. Here, "small-faced" (not "short-faced"), means "narrow". Dinarics have short, rounded skulls, and longish faces.

Thirdly, the features of a convex nose, and occipital flattening, are not constants in the racial type. Some anthropologists consider the flattening to be a result of "cradleing", which artificially deforms the shape of the skull. Certainly, many Dinarics have rounded occiputs. Equally, although the Dinaric nose is large and prominent, it is more often straight in profile, and aquiline, rather than always convex. Any admixture with other types, will obviously moderate these features to some extent.

You state that you are long-headed, but have you ever had your head measured? The side profile you posted, reveals that your cranial length cannot be very great, and your portrait pictures, show quite a broad forehead. I would be surprised if you were not brachycephalic, or mesocephalic at least.

I was not surprised to discover that you had German ancestry: the Dinaric type is particularly common in southern Germany.

I think that covers everything. Overall, I would say that you are a Dinaricised Mediterranean, with minor Nordish traits. Possibly, therefore, Peripheral Nordish. Everyone will have slightly different opinions however, because without exact measurements, it is basically subjective guesswork, based on photographs.

Pictures of Dinarics:

http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/troeplate36.htm

For more information about the Nordish concept, and Nordish racial types, see these sites:

http://www.nordish.com/

http://www.racialcompact.com/

PS: If you would like me to, I can send these pictures on to a guy I know, who is interested in classification, and is generally pretty good at his descriptions, and their justifications. Do I have your permission to do this? If I do, I'll get back to you ASAP on his opinion of your race type. Anyway, let me know what you think of this idea. BTW, he can be trusted, he is sound fellow.

PPS: The Industrial Revolution began in Britain alone. That is all. :)

Von Braun
Thursday, October 10th, 2002, 09:36 AM
Originally posted by Arno


Heil Kamerad! Pleas tell us what is so spezial about making money with brains? My grandfather was work-helper on farm. He was strongest man in little town and with 16 could carry wights a normal grown person can carry. He was not so smart as university proffesor, but was good fighter, And he fight great in war and earned iron cross and badge for "hand-battle" (Nahkampfspange). Führer said that it dos not matter what you work but how good you work for the community everyone on his place. I dont like arrogance of "proffesors" over working-class persons. That is not NS-Idea. Like Kamerad britishjustice said fighting reds scum on street and kicking teeth of subhuman is more worth then throwing stickers all over the place. I know him personaly from concert. You would be very happy to have him as Kamerad when times get tough and he secures your safeness! Let it be be cool Kamerad! He sometimes sound hard - but he is great friend with hard fists and soft heart for our race.

Heil

My mother comes from a long line of dairy farmers. I have the utmost respect for those honest people who make a living with their hands. I also do a lot more than put stickers up: I put my ass on the line for the pan-white race by risking BODILY HARM just as skinheads risk that as well. I have distributed flyers in broad daylight in one of the most vehemenently liberal cities in the jew-controlled u.s. Finally, we do need brains to win. Germany put up the splendid fight it did thanks to men like Von Braun.

Von Braun
Thursday, October 10th, 2002, 09:57 AM
*Ahem!* Time for an expert opinion here, methinks. Von Braun, I would say that you are a basically a Dinaric type, with Mediterranean, and minor Nordish strains. I think your confusion results from misunderstanding your sources.


Indeed, I did misunderstand the definition of "dinaric."



Firstly, the idea that Dinarics are an Alpine/Mediterranean blend, is really nothing more than a theory, that was proposed by C. S. Coon. Other anthropologists, such as Hans F. K. Gunther (the Third Reich's race theorist) disagreed, and thought that they had a different origin.

Secondly, your source on Dinarics is a poor translation of the German original. Here, "small-faced" (not "short-faced"), means "narrow". Dinarics have short, rounded skulls, and longish faces.

Thirdly, the features of a convex nose, and occipital flattening, are not constants in the racial type. Some anthropologists consider the flattening to be a result of "cradleing", which artificially deforms the shape of the skull. Certainly, many Dinarics have rounded occiputs. Equally, although the Dinaric nose is large and prominent, it is more often straight in profile, and aquiline, rather than always convex. Any admixture with other types, will obviously moderate these features to some extent.


This makes sense.



You state that you are long-headed, but have you ever had your head measured? The side profile you posted, reveals that your cranial length cannot be very great, and your portrait pictures, show quite a broad forehead. I would be surprised if you were not brachycephalic, or mesocephalic at least.


I measured with calipers without any help. I got numbers that range from 74 to 77, so I suppose I am probably mesocephalic. I measeured the most extreme dimensions. Is the broad forehead what differentiates dinarics from nordics?



For more information about the Nordish concept, and Nordish racial types, see these sites:

http://www.nordish.com/

http://www.racialcompact.com/


I have visited both of them. They are very informative. The first one said that a dinaric with blonde hair is what is known as a noric. I hope I don't sound like a wiseass, this is a serious question, but was I a noric as long as I had blonde hair and then turn dianric at age three when my hair turned brown?

This brings up an important issue: the difference between phenotype and genotype. Since nordic genes are recessive, one's phenotype, or looks, should always be less than or equal to how nordic his genotype is (maybe there are traits that are exceptions to this general recessive/dominant relationship). From my grandparents' appearances, I know I should have a significant nordic component to my genotype. As a matter of fact, that is obvious because of my temporary blonde hair. Let's do a thought experiment: a pure atlanto-med mates with a pure nordic. The offspring will look mostly like the former parent, but his genotype will be 1/2 nordic. I guess the bottomline is if the future homeland has to be for people who have a certain amount of nordic in them, then I'll be screwed if they go by appearance (as in your opinion the true nordic features are minor) but if they do a blood test I will be let in. A friend was trying to convince me that it would probably be for all whites, especially for a potential hero like me, so maybe it is a moot point.



PS: If you would like me to, I can send these pictures on to a guy I know, who is interested in classification, and is generally pretty good at his descriptions, and their justifications. Do I have your permission to do this? If I do, I'll get back to you ASAP on his opinion of your race type. Anyway, let me know what you think of this idea. BTW, he can be trusted, he is sound fellow.

PPS: The Industrial Revolution began in Britain alone. That is all.


You may send the pictures to him.
I was referring to both the scientific and industrial revolutions. The former was very strong in England, France, and Germany.

GreenHeart
Friday, October 11th, 2002, 08:39 AM
I was shocked to read that Nordics can even have up to medium brown hair (www.nordish.com, and www.racialcompact.com) ......... my hair is brown but it looks like a darker shade of dark blond, hmmm weird my brother does have dark blond now too but when he was younger he had white blond and dark blue eyes (like my whole family) and he was such a little cutie!

:) 6/8 of my cousins have blond hair and the other two have brown...........

What race am I? x_blush

Von Braun
Friday, October 11th, 2002, 09:21 AM
Originally posted by britishjustice1488

im pure englishman, blond hair blue eyes, and face it, thats somthing youl never be ...

Our quarrel is over if you want it to be, but NordicPower88 and her fiance are good friends of mine. I have met them in person. If you mention the fact that she does not have blonde hair in the same or similar manner you did with me, or if you insult or offend her in any way (because she warned you about trolling or over anything in general), you will never know any peace on this forum.

Do not think that I am weak because I seek to understand where I stand being the person that I am. He who does not constantly evaluate where he is in life, whether out of apathy or ignorance, is a fool. I have every right to know what my potential future position within this cause is. If people say that phenotypes within the white race do not matter for the sake of being let into the future white homeland and being given equal rights with all other law-abiding citizens, then I will take their word for it and go on doing what I am doing now.

Hellstar
Friday, October 11th, 2002, 01:39 PM
Listen Mr von braun, you just ended the quarrel in some of your last replies, now why the hell are you trying to start one again?

To much dinaricism:rolleyes:

NP88 is Mainly Brünn/Hallstatt/East baltic In my opinion.

Von Braun
Friday, October 11th, 2002, 09:39 PM
Originally posted by NordicPower88
my hair is brown

HELLSTAR, I thought that since britishjustice had a problem with me for not having blonde hair now then he might have a problem with NordicPower88 not having blonde hair.

Hellstar
Friday, October 11th, 2002, 10:05 PM
I guess there is alot of people here out of 330 people who dont have blond hair:rolleyes:

Glad i do;)

BodewinTheSilent
Friday, October 11th, 2002, 11:05 PM
I measured with calipers without any help. I got numbers that range from 74 to 77, so I suppose I am probably mesocephalic. I measeured the most extreme dimensions.

I think mesocephalic would be most likely, close to the 77 figure you suggest.


Is the broad forehead what differentiates dinarics from nordics?

Well, not the only thing. Nordics have long heads, with prominent occiputs, Dinarics have short heads, with flattened occiputs. Nordics have average sized noses, but Dinaric noses are prominent. Dinarics tend to be much more hairy than Nordics, and so on. The Nordic forehead does tend to be narrow and angular, whilst Dinarics have broader, more rounded foreheads, that are often high, with a higher hairline than is seen in most Nordics.


The first one said that a dinaric with blonde hair is what is known as a noric. I hope I don't sound like a wiseass, this is a serious question, but was I a noric as long as I had blonde hair and then turn dianric at age three when my hair turned brown?

No. A proper racial assessment must be based upon adult features, say from the age of 18. This is because most children look alike, with broadish faces and heads, etc. Most features do not appear definitively, until after puberty. A Noric would be someone like Reinhard Heydrich, who was blond, but who had largely Dinaric facial features. Of course, facial features are never "fixed", changing with age, but maturity reveals most features, and shows whether or not dominant characteristics (such as dark hair), have genuinely appeared in the next generation.


This brings up an important issue: the difference between phenotype and genotype. Since nordic genes are recessive, one's phenotype, or looks, should always be less than or equal to how nordic his genotype is (maybe there are traits that are exceptions to this general recessive/dominant relationship). From my grandparents' appearances, I know I should have a significant nordic component to my genotype. As a matter of fact, that is obvious because of my temporary blonde hair. Let's do a thought experiment: a pure atlanto-med mates with a pure nordic. The offspring will look mostly like the former parent, but his genotype will be 1/2 nordic. I guess the bottomline is if the future homeland has to be for people who have a certain amount of nordic in them, then I'll be screwed if they go by appearance (as in your opinion the true nordic features are minor) but if they do a blood test I will be let in. A friend was trying to convince me that it would probably be for all whites, especially for a potential hero like me, so maybe it is a moot point.

A good racial theory must be based on BOTH phenotype and genotype. (By the latter term I mean ancestry, as it is not possible for us to perform genetic tests on people at the moment.) This reveals far more than either on its own can.

As far as anyone's position on this issue is concerned, it is basically individual. There seems to be no fixed point. You have no doubt seen numerous denounciations of "Who is White?" discussions, but most organisations NEVER define what they mean by "White".

Regarding the Nordish concept, you would probably be considered acceptable, being within the Peripheral Nordish range. NB: the term is "Nordish" NOT "Nordic". Nordish includes numerous Northern and Central European types, and is not restricted to Nordics alone.


You may send the pictures to him.

Here is his reply:


One would think he'd be the kid on the right, which shows us that during infancy and childhood recessive characters are strong but change soon after.

As a child you can notice the large head and prominent forehead, I believe this would be indicative of UP ancestry (which could also be Alpine/Dinaric). In this case it's Borreby, IMO.

Later we see other characteristics develop. I believe he has a
Mediterranean element, detectable by his long, thick eyebrows, and general look of his hair and face.

I would give him a general classification of a UP-Med blend
that results in a Peripheral Nord of about a 4.

Notes: UP = Upper Palaeolithic. Borreby is a mixture of Cro-Magnon (UP), with Alpine or Dinaric. He thinks the Nordish element in you is UP, rather than Nordic, which agrees basically with my opinion: you have Dinaric in you, and some Nordish, though I didn't specify whether it was Nordic or UP. He also agrees that you have some Med in you. Nord in his statement, means Nordish. The "4" at the end, refers to the McCulloch's racial scale:

http://www.racialcompact.com/averageisdestiny.html

Central Nords, are the most distinctive types: Nordics and largely blondish UP types. Peripheral Nords are Central types, that have mixed with non-Nordish, European sub-races:

http://www.fikas.no/~sprocket/snpa/rg-main.htm

Hellstar
Saturday, October 12th, 2002, 05:55 AM
After request from Komrade Arno,
"Part two" of this thread was moved into "Aryan Shrine"

follow this link

http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?s=&threadid=912

If you cant Enter Aryan Shrine forum ask an Admin for granded permission.

Or stay tuned for more replies in this Thread!

Von Braun
Saturday, October 12th, 2002, 06:38 AM
For the record, let me see if I understand al the salient features of my appearance:

Prominent, wide, tall forehead: Borreby, which is a mix of Dinaric and UP

Tall, narrow face: Atlanto-Meditteranean

Long, thick eye brows: Atlanto-Meditteranean

Wavy dark brown hair: Atlanto-Meditteranean (prevented from being black hair by the dinaric and/or nordish elements?)

Prominent, yet straight nose: Dinaric, modified by nordish (UP in my case) so as to be straight

Prominent Occiput: Atlanto-Meditteranean (thus countering the Dinaric)

Green eyes: I have heard this is a mix of brown and blue, so therefore a nordish/non-nordish blended trait

Mesocephalic: The mean of typical Dinaric (brachycehpalic) and typical Meditteranean and/or nordish (dolichocephalic) cranial indices

Height/build: Dinaric

Specualtions for my family (To make sense of your diagnosis):

Mom (100% German): light to medium brown hair, greenish-blue eyes, same nose as mine (nordish and dinaric)

Dad (50% French, the other 50% English, Swiss, and German): black hair, light brown eyes, tall face, (atlanto-med with some recessive nordish genes)

Mom's mom: Short, brown hair, green eyes (dinaric and nordish, maybe some alpine)

Mom's dad: Tall, light brown hair, blue eyes (almost entirely nordish)

Dad's mom (English, Swiss, German): sandy blonde hair, green eyes (dinaric/alpine with nordish)

Dad's dad (100% French): Tall, black hair, brown eyes (mainly atlanto-med with some alpine)

My two brothers are brachycephalic and I know one has a flat occiput. That would make them more dinaric in appearance (with perhaps some alpine maybe) than I am. One has brown eyes and one has green eyes. So we all have some dianric, with me having the least dinaric, and having atlanto-meditteranean and nordish in place of where the two brothers have more dinaric. It seems we inherited somewhat different combinations of genes from the various branches of our family, with me having the lowest number on the nordish scale as a result of the combination of genes that I inherited. Of course, ALL of this is based on phenotype analysis and not genotype analysis (both brothers had temporary blondish hair also, but not as blonde as mine was). After seeing that scale, I think my mom would be a 3 or 4, my dad a 7 or 8, and my two brothers 5 or 6.

Please let me know if you have any corrections or additions. :)

To HELLSTAR, Heindall, and the other expert, thank you very much! I know it must be very hard diagnosing an american-born mut of entirely western/central european descent!

BodewinTheSilent
Sunday, October 13th, 2002, 12:18 AM
By Jove, I think he's got it! :)


To HELLSTAR, Heindall, and the other expert, thank you very much!

That's OK. :)

PS: It's HeiMdall. ;)

Ross
Friday, October 25th, 2002, 11:37 PM
Von Braun

"I measured with calipers without any help. I got numbers that range from 74 to 77, so I suppose I am probably mesocephalic. I measeured the most extreme dimensions".

That's unlikely. MMs do matter, just ask NP :-)

You've a very high head, that's Dinaric... or Aisto, but as your head is short it's not Aisto.

Facial features are secondary, first go pigmentation and skull dimentions/proportions.

(Btw, I discovered recently that there is an excellent way to strictly differentiate between Mongolids and Europids - the crown index)

However, you can be classified as Noric, more on the Dinaric side, of course. You just tend to be Dinarid.

NP,

The most depigmented Europids are EBs, the real EBs, with Mongolid admixture.

GreenHeart
Saturday, October 26th, 2002, 03:01 AM
How the hell could a race mixed with mongoloids be the most depigmented, something about this theory sounds fishy...... x_nono

I see race-mixed half and even 1/6 mongoloid kids and adults every day and they are as dark and round faced as the mongoloids themselves, even when the mother or father is blond......

Ross
Saturday, October 26th, 2002, 10:47 AM
Originally posted by NordicPower88
How the hell could a race mixed with mongoloids be the most depigmented, something about this theory sounds fishy...... x_nono

I see race-mixed half and even 1/6 mongoloid kids and adults every day and they are as dark and round faced as the mongoloids themselves, even when the mother or father is blond......

Forward your claims to professional anthropologists. :)

Depressed and/or concave and/or broad noses, flat vertical profiles, strong cheek bones, the crown index... all racial history proves it, as well as genetical tests.

Eastern Estonians are most depigmented, yet show slight but evident Mongolid admixture.

Dominator
Saturday, October 26th, 2002, 06:13 PM
The E.B Race are most phenotypic Nordic with Light Hair/Eye pigment defined only.
but where is this Estonian info collected from?
For example Alpines and Neo-Danubians are also related to Mongoloid Heirship.

Ross
Saturday, October 26th, 2002, 06:28 PM
Originally posted by Angel Of Disease
The E.B Race are most phenotypic Nordic with Light Hair/Eye pigment defined only.
but where is this Estonian info collected from?
For example Alpines and Neo-Danubians are also related to Mongoloid Heirship.

This info collected from various works of Russian, Whiterussian, Latvian and Estonian anthropologists.

However, claims of Mongoloid admixture in Western Finns, Western Estonians, Western Latvians and Western Lithuanians, Whiterussians and majority of Russians are unbased.

The race is Baltic or Nordic or the mix of them + Mongolid (Metis)admixtures on the periphery.

GreenHeart
Monday, October 28th, 2002, 05:34 PM
I don't like the way you think you can speak for all professional anthropologists. You are too condescending. And fuck your Russian superiority. In one thread you said the russians are never blond or nordic, and in another you said they are the true Aryans. Well which one? Make up your mind!

In all truth it is a waste of the words that I use on you. You are here simply to spread misinformation.

Ross
Monday, October 28th, 2002, 05:47 PM
Originally posted by NordicPower88
I don't like the way you think you can speak for all professional anthropologists. You are too condescending. And fuck your Russian superiority. In one thread you said the russians are never blond or nordic, and in another you said they are the true Aryans. Well which one? Make up your mind!

In all truth it is a waste of the words that I use on you. You are here simply to spread misinformation.

LOL

I don't speak for them, I just tell you what I learned.

Could you please specify where I said that "Russians are never blond or Nordic"? I don't believe I can be that drunken.

lols

Am I condescending? No, just keeping you on distance. You showed unprovoked hostility when I first appeared here. That's all YOUR FAULT.

Stríbog
Monday, October 28th, 2002, 07:36 PM
Wishing something weren't true doesn't make that the case. The plain and unfortunate fact is that Russia was ravaged by successive waves of Turkic-Mongol savages, from Attila the Hun to the various Khans, as well as several less famous ones. The period of occupation was long enough that some admixture occurred. Rather than pretend that all Slavs are pure, why not separate those that are, from those that are not? Ross, why are you so quick to suggest that all Estonians are part Mongoloid, but not a single Russian is? Astrakhan and Kalmuk are hardly Aryan. Pskov and Novgorod are. Why not draw a distinction between "Russians" from Astrakhan, and Russians from Pskov?

Ross
Monday, October 28th, 2002, 08:08 PM
Originally posted by NordischesBlutundEhre
Wishing something weren't true doesn't make that the case. The plain and unfortunate fact is that Russia was ravaged by successive waves of Turkic-Mongol savages, from Attila the Hun to the various Khans, as well as several less famous ones. The period of occupation was long enough that some admixture occurred. Rather than pretend that all Slavs are pure, why not separate those that are, from those that are not? Ross, why are you so quick to suggest that all Estonians are part Mongoloid, but not a single Russian is? Astrakhan and Kalmuk are hardly Aryan. Pskov and Novgorod are. Why not draw a distinction between "Russians" from Astrakhan, and Russians from Pskov?

Hello NordischesBlutundEhre :)

I've never said that all people who consider themselves Russians/Slavs are racially pure. However, the Mongolid influenced minority is the result of intermixture with Urgo-Finns, or rather Ugro-Finns were assimilated by Russians, Russianized, as they were only slightly Mongolid, and so blond, like Estonians. :)

Hunns, Avars, Magyars 've passed to Europe alongside southern borders of Kievan Rus and had no impact on Slavs (there were different partially Mongoloid Nomads in the Southern Rus - they're responsible for the Mongolid admixture in Ukrainians), while Mongols were more interested to take Slavs as slaves and later sell them (the word "slave" is derived from Slavs).

Interesting, that during the Mongol invasion into the NE Rus/Russia proper Mongols devastated the lands with Ugro-Finnic population. They've done it several times, the land became unpopulated and later was resettled from Novgorod and Western Russia.

The was no occupation actually, there were Tatar tax collectors, but within 25 years they were all slaughtered several times (invasions followed) and collecting of taxes was vested upon duches of Moscow.

There was some intermixture with Tatars in the upper classes, however, these Tatars were just Turkicized Volga Finns and Bulgars... Rather our blood greatly improved Tatar and Turkic bloodlines (several Khans/Sultans were blond, blue eyed and known to be born by Slavic woman... there were also Yanycharis).

The Russian from Astrakhan is just a colonist from Central Russia, anthropologists find the first signs of Ugro-Finnic admixture in the NE Volga region, it increases in the NE direction, to the Kama region.

There are much more EB/Mongolid influenced Estonians than Russians because of the racial history of EE.

First when climate worsened Europids were forced to leave the land to primitive Finns of the Metis type. The Europids - Balts, remained on the territories of Western Finland, Western Estonia and Western Latvia, while eastern parts, less fertile, not connected with the sea farming were occupied by Finns. More to the south the border between Balts and Finns was where Moscow now. (Triangle - Novgorod - Moscow - Ryazan was the line)

When Slavs came they settled among Aryan/Europid Balts, and later began to expand and moved to the Finnish lands. As it was connected with Christianity, taxes and some services Finns fled to swaps. (Indeed they fled and formed rather mighty duches, Slavs were the reason of their activity, after they 've fled they gathered in more fertile territories and began farming). Slavs were dealing with these Duches when Mongols arrived.

That's why the faint Mongolid admixture is presented in the NE direction from Moscow, not SE, as one can expect because of Tatars.

Novgorod was another bastion of Slavs. Virtually the same story.

NW Russia is predominately (75%) Europid, NE Russia is 50% Europid, Central Russia is almost fully Europid (90%), Western Russia and Whiterussia is fully Europid (98% - and 2% of the Metis type is from Lithuania). Central and NE Poles are as Nordish and pure as Bielorussians, but Southern has got some Mongolid admixture from Hungarians, and Poland is full of dark haired Alpines.

However, don't forget that Germany and Scandinavia has got their own share of Moingolid influence: 2-8%.

Yes, the Novgorod proper area is pure, as well as Bielorussia and Western and SE Central Russia, while in the NE corner of the Central Russia begins Ugro-Finnic influence.

Ross
Monday, October 28th, 2002, 08:23 PM
That's where Balts resided when Slavs arrived.

GREEN

Stríbog
Monday, October 28th, 2002, 10:11 PM
That is a very interesting map. What does "zaselenniye" mean? (That is the best I can try and write it in English ;) It would be easier if i had a Cyrillic keyboard). I understand Territory of the Germanics, Baltics, Turkics, and so on. Did the Slavs really reach the Baltic that early? I thought the Baltic coastline went from Germanic to Baltic, because Slavs had not gotten there yet. I was also surprised that the Finno-Ugric peoples extended so far south. I agree that true Russians do not have much Mongoloid blood at all, and most have none. What do you think about the peoples of the Balkans though, and Hungarians? The Balkans were occupied by Turks for hundreds of years, and Hungary was settled by Mongoloid Huns. That map shows Lake Ladoga and Lake Onega as being Finno-Ugric. So were the Ladogans that Coon talks about actually Mongoloid? This is all very interesting. Do you have a larger map that shows most of Russia and Eastern Europe?

Ross
Monday, October 28th, 2002, 10:32 PM
Originally posted by NordischesBlutundEhre
That is a very interesting map. What does "zaselenniye" mean? (That is the best I can try and write it in English ;) It would be easier if i had a Cyrillic keyboard). I understand Territory of the Germanics, Baltics, Turkics, and so on. Did the Slavs really reach the Baltic that early? I thought the Baltic coastline went from Germanic to Baltic, because Slavs had not gotten there yet. I was also surprised that the Finno-Ugric peoples extended so far south. I agree that true Russians do not have much Mongoloid blood at all, and most have none. What do you think about the peoples of the Balkans though, and Hungarians? The Balkans were occupied by Turks for hundreds of years, and Hungary was settled by Mongoloid Huns. That map shows Lake Ladoga and Lake Onega as being Finno-Ugric. So were the Ladogans that Coon talks about actually Mongoloid? This is all very interesting. Do you have a larger map that shows most of Russia and Eastern Europe?


Lands:
1. Settled by Balts
2. Settled by Germanics
3. Settled by Ugro-Finns
4. Settled by Slavs
5. Settled by Turkics

That's the circa 500 AD

Slavs began to move in the eastern direction right after that date, to Russia proper from NW corner of their territory.

Actually, it's an elementary shool map and is not very precise. Slavs occupied lands more to the West than shown.

Please, keep in mind that some Balts were Fennicized but remained unmixed, isolated in the NW corner of Estonia and in the Oka region (right on the right brink), so actually Ugro-finns were confided to damp northern lands.

Balkans: Dinarics and Meds with a faint Mongolid admixture from Turks.

Hungarians are heavily Mongolid influenced people of various Europeanraces + Turanids.

Ugro-Finns/Uralics weren't Mongolid, just heavily (proto) Mongolid influenced

The Ladogan racial type didn't exist. That's simply Mongolid admixture to various Europid types. More to the North and East - heavier admixture is.

Maps will follow

Ross
Monday, October 28th, 2002, 10:41 PM
Unfortunately my maps are too big...

Anthropological types of Slavs and Finns in Middle Ages.

1. Thin faced dolichocephals (CI 74) (Vyatiches)
2. Middle faced dolichocephals (Kriviches, Dregiviches, Radimiches, Severyans)
3. Broad faced dolichocephals (Balts)
4. Broad faced mesocephals (Volynianes, Tiverians, Ulichians)
5. Middle faced mesocephals (Polyanians, Drevlyanes)
6. Middle faced subbrachycephals (CI 77) (Slovenes of Novgorod)
7. Middle faced subbrachycephals with depressed noses (Volga Finns)

Ross
Monday, October 28th, 2002, 10:49 PM
Western Slavs in 7-9 centuries.

Ah, Saxony was ours :)))

Ross
Monday, October 28th, 2002, 10:52 PM
Not only Saxony, which was lost first... but the entire Eastern Germany.

-ski, -ov and other German Last Names are of the Slavic origin, as well as a lot of German Nobility.

Ross
Monday, October 28th, 2002, 10:58 PM
Pay attention to the Ruyan Island.

That's where our Arkona, The Temple was located.

Do you know that Slavs were pillaging shores of Scandinavia, while Vikings made no attempt to assault Slavs?

There was a famous Slavo-Germanic Viking Outpost on the Southern Coast.

The famous RUS was located in that region, and Rurik was a Slavic prince, as confirmed by German manuscripts, and indeed had 2 brothers...

Hellstar
Monday, October 28th, 2002, 11:02 PM
Originally posted by Ross


Do you know that Slavs were pillaging shores of Scandinavia, while Vikings made no attempt to assault Slavs?



Keep on dreaming boyx_lol

Stríbog
Monday, October 28th, 2002, 11:17 PM
Why does that map of Saxony show Slavs controlling Saxony and Vorpommern but not Prussia itself? Wouldnt they have taken the more easterly provinces first? Also, you never told me what "zaselinniye" meant. ;)

Ross
Monday, October 28th, 2002, 11:23 PM
Originally posted by NordischesBlutundEhre
Why does that map of Saxony show Slavs controlling Saxony and Vorpommern but not Prussia itself? Wouldnt they have taken the more easterly provinces first? Also, you never told me what "zaselinniye" meant. ;)

I just translated it - SETTLED

Prussia was controlled by Balts.

Hellstar,

Don't worry, that was from western sources. No kidding.

Ross
Monday, October 28th, 2002, 11:24 PM
Don't forget, Hellstar, Slavs were the original Aryans, of the BA/CW type... and who were Germanics? Regular Nordics :D

Hellstar
Monday, October 28th, 2002, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by Ross


Hellstar,

Don't worry, that was from western sources. No kidding.


Now you see how corrupted the western culture is:rolleyes:

Ross
Monday, October 28th, 2002, 11:36 PM
Originally posted by HELLSTAR
Now you see how corrupted the western culture is:rolleyes:

I'm not sure. That's the Middle Ages source.

I find the very Early history of Slavs musing, heroic and great.

Karl th eGreat drowned the Saxony in its blood, but was unable to deal with one the Slavic tibes, and made an alliance with two others Slavic tribes...

Mecklenburg - Rarog have fallen in the end. And when the Germanic onslaught (helped by Poles) crushed the Western Slavs, Arkona was stormed and destroyed.

Hellstar
Monday, October 28th, 2002, 11:44 PM
Originally posted by Ross
I'm not sure. That's the Middle Ages source.



Then it was even more unreliable, most People were holy sheeps in the middle age.

Ross
Monday, October 28th, 2002, 11:58 PM
Originally posted by HELLSTAR
Then it was even more unreliable, most People were holy sheeps in the middle age.

Do you mean that Viking Sagas are false?

Hellstar
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 12:09 AM
You twist my words.

I never said that. im talking about your Slavic incorrigible source! not about Viking sagas, but since you ask, then yes some of them are false.

Ross
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 12:11 AM
Originally posted by HELLSTAR
You twist my words.

I never said that. im talking about your Slavic incorrigible source! not about Viking sagas, but since you ask, then yes some of them are false.

Sorry, SOURCES are Germanic...

Hellstar
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 12:17 AM
Yes and that leaves me to my old statement:


Originally posted by HELLSTAR
Now you see how corrupted the western culture is:rolleyes:


x_zzz

Ross
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 12:24 AM
he he...

Don't you think that full blooded Aryans - Slavs, were tougher than diluted Germanics?

lols

Stríbog
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 12:36 AM
With what other peoples were the Germanics diluted?

Ross
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by NordischesBlutundEhre
With what other peoples were the Germanics diluted?

Proto-Germanic BAs were assimilated by the aboriginal population, but managed to impose they language.

I believe the BA component wasn't great in Ancient Germanics.

However, Slavs got some admixture from locals too...

Hellstar
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 12:40 AM
You sound like you have some inferiority complex, with all this Slavic/Aisto baffling all the time, Im sure there was weaklings on both sides, but to compare Slavic history with Germanic would be endless wrong.

Ross
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 12:44 AM
Originally posted by HELLSTAR
You sound like you have some inferiority complex, with all this Slavic/Aisto baffling all the time, Im sure there was weaklings on both sides, but to compare Slavic history with Germanic would be endless wrong.

No, I'm just teasing you.

However, you disrespect for the original Aryans, who introdiced the IE language and culture in Europe, amuses me :D

Don't you know that 1/3 of Germanic words derived from the local, pre-IE languages, that Slavo-Baltic languages are the closest to the original IE language.

Indeed, it's of no use to compare History of Slavs, which we can begin right with the Aryans, and Germanics. Just take a look at the globus...

Stríbog
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 01:09 AM
Wait, I thought you said Battle-Axe people were Aryan? Now you are saying they were pre-IE?

kaleun
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 08:29 AM
Originally posted by Heimdall
By Jove, I think he's got it! :)





Gott sei Dank!
I cannot understand his obsession with racial types. All this detail!
Are there not enemies to fight? And we sit and discuss the length and colour of our nose-hair?
Sorry, but I find it all too self-centred, self-indulgent and morbidly introspective.

GreenHeart
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 09:20 AM
Originally posted by NordischesBlutundEhre
Wait, I thought you said Battle-Axe people were Aryan? Now you are saying they were pre-IE?

He does that a lot! You should get used to it when corresponding with this guy........:rolleyes:

Unprovoked Ross! You make me laugh!!!
Your theories are so idiotic and reeking of russian inferiority complex. You NEVER site your source! And when I asked you to you always said it's pointless to list it....why is that???

Is that a joke? You would have us believe Aryans were the same type as modern russians! Which ones, the non-nordic ones? x_rofl

I have respect for my Aryan ancestors, something you need to learn other than trying to degrade them. I don't like how you talk about North Europeans.

You can't just go around claiming that we are mixed and russians are pure without siting some SPECIFIC sources.

Ross
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 09:53 AM
NordischesBlutundEhre

"Wait, I thought you said Battle-Axe people were Aryan?"

Yes

"Now you are saying they were pre-IE?"

I just reread my posts - where did I say that???

NordicPower88

"Unprovoked Ross! You make me laugh!!!"

That's good. :-)

"Your theories are so idiotic"

No theories, facts only :-)

"and reeking of russian inferiority complex"

LOL!

"You NEVER site your source! And when I asked you to you always said it's pointless to list it....why is that???"

Oh, I can... Just ask...

What do you want, dear lady? :-)

"Is that a joke? You would have us believe Aryans were the same type as modern russians! Which ones, the non-nordic ones? "

That's your words, not mine

"I have respect for my Aryan ancestors, something you need to learn other than trying to degrade them. I don't like how you talk about North Europeans."

I'M a North European. There is nothing wrong with the fact that Germanics were of the Nordic type, not of the BA...

"You can't just go around claiming that we are mixed and russians are pure without siting some SPECIFIC sources."

We are all mixed...

kaleun
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 10:51 AM
Originally posted by kaleun
Gott sei Dank!
I cannot understand his obsession with racial types. All this detail!


But in case he feels insulted, here is my picture; maybe the experts like to say what type I am?!

Hellstar
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 10:53 AM
Originally posted by kaleun
Gott sei Dank!
I cannot understand his obsession with racial types. All this detail!
Are there not enemies to fight? And we sit and discuss the length and colour of our nose-hair?
Sorry, but I find it all too self-centred, self-indulgent and morbidly introspective.

No Narcissism is productive as long its striking forward.


Originally posted by Ross
No, I'm just teasing you.

However, you disrespect for the original Aryans, who introdiced the IE language and culture in Europe, amuses me :D

Don't you know that 1/3 of Germanic words derived from the local, pre-IE languages, that Slavo-Baltic languages are the closest to the original IE language.


I never disrespected Aryans of Russian or other Heirs.
But its normal for me to keep my patriotism strong, also among other subtypes here. Lithuanians and Latvians has
the language similarity closets to Elder Indo European, most of this type you praise so high is utterly mixed in my opinion, can you show me any illustrations of pure Nowadays Aisto types?

Lets sit back and watch the Ross Photoshow!

kaleun
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 10:54 AM
Originally posted by kaleun
here is my picture
as "adjusted" by someone who thought to insult me - and did not succeed!

Ross
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 11:22 AM
Originally posted by HELLSTAR

I never disrespected Aryans of Russian or other Heirs.
But its normal for me to keep my patriotism strong, also among other subtypes here. Lithuanians and Latvians has
the language similarity closets to Elder Indo European, most of this type you praise so high is utterly mixed in my opinion, can you show me any illustrations of pure Nowadays Aisto types?

Lets sit back and watch the Ross Photoshow!

That might be difficult without measurements. How can we be sure without HLI??

Still If we go by facial features...

Ross
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 11:24 AM
ALL Russian Nordid types TEND to be high headed

Ross
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 11:26 AM
Originally posted by Ross
ALL Russian Nordid types TEND to be high headed

Ross
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 11:27 AM
Enough?

Hellstar
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 11:31 AM
Interesting. and pretty girl indeed.

My forehead is way taller than those men you posted.

Ross
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 11:32 AM
RECONSTRUCTION

Ross
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 11:37 AM
Originally posted by HELLSTAR
Interesting. and pretty girl indeed.

My forehead is way taller than those men you posted.

As I have said, all Nordics in EE are of the Slavic or (directly) of the BA origin (Slavs were already a bit diluted or evolved), thus they TEND to be BA.

However, it's more about ear holes positions... Germans have lower faces - high foreheads, but heads are still low...

Ross
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 11:39 AM
It's interesting to make the estimation of racial composition in Russia.

The last two pics are Russian ministers, and there are more in the cabinet, sure.

We can go by pics of sportsmen, military staff, but not by actors and polititians...

Ross
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 11:55 AM
However, the VERY HIGH forehead isn't the Nordic trait. BAs are Nordics, and simply have higher heads/foreheads.

This kind of head/foread is NOT Nordic/BA

Hellstar
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 12:06 PM
I just erased 1½ post, I see it was a repetition of our older (identifying subraces) thread.

BTW, what race would you call this guy you posted?

Dinaric?

Ross
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 12:50 PM
Originally posted by HELLSTAR
I just erased 1½ post, I see it was a repetition of our older (identifying subraces) thread.

BTW, what race would you call this guy you posted?

Dinaric?

What 1S (?) post?

The guy is predominately Dinaric.

Stríbog
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 03:26 PM
Sorry, I misunderstood you. You said that Battle Axes were Aryan, and proto-Germanic BA's mixed with the aboriginal peoples of what are now Germanic lands. Were these aboriginals Upper Paleolithic, like Borreby or Brünn?

Ross
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 03:33 PM
Originally posted by NordischesBlutundEhre
Sorry, I misunderstood you. You said that Battle Axes were Aryan, and proto-Germanic BA's mixed with the aboriginal peoples of what are now Germanic lands. Were these aboriginals Upper Paleolithic, like Borreby or Brünn?

Nordic, Cro-Magnon/Brunn, Alpines/Borreby

Stríbog
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 07:24 PM
So Nordics are not originally Aryan, but are aboriginal northern Europeans? By Nordic do you mean specifically Hallstadt and Keltic?

Ross
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 07:29 PM
Originally posted by NordischesBlutundEhre
So Nordics are not originally Aryan, but are aboriginal northern Europeans? By Nordic do you mean specifically Hallstadt and Keltic?

Yeah, but BAs are aboriginal northern/depigmented Europeans too :)

Stríbog
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 07:33 PM
This is interesting, can you define your names that you are using? If I understand you, Battle-Axes, Hallstadts, Keltics, Borrebies, and Brünns are all aboriginal? Are they all Upper Paleolithic? So who are the original Indo-European migrants? Are the Slavs and Balts later than Upper Paleolithic? I thought all Indo-European peoples came from Eastern Ukraine north of the Caspian? Were these just Slavs and Balts?

Ross
Tuesday, October 29th, 2002, 07:48 PM
Originally posted by NordischesBlutundEhre
This is interesting, can you define your names that you are using? If I understand you, Battle-Axes, Hallstadts, Keltics, Borrebies, and Brünns are all aboriginal? Are they all Upper Paleolithic? So who are the original Indo-European migrants? Are the Slavs and Balts later than Upper Paleolithic? I thought all Indo-European peoples came from Eastern Ukraine north of the Caspian? Were these just Slavs and Balts?

The glacier... er...

It seems were are descendants of Cro-Magnon/Brunn, or related types... that IS Upper-Paleolithic/Mesolithic

GreenHeart
Wednesday, October 30th, 2002, 01:03 AM
Sources?

Ross
Wednesday, October 30th, 2002, 01:08 AM
Originally posted by NordicPower88
Sources?

Books. Journals. Links.

Seppl
Thursday, October 31st, 2002, 07:17 AM
To get back to the original topic about the racial makeup of our comrade. I'm looking at a bust the German composer Richard Wagner who has a very high forehead, pointed nose & long face. He was predominantly Dinaric & Nordic, his hair was light brown & eyes were Blue-grey.
Dinarics are not a blend of anything, they are a specific Aryan Sub-racial type, found mainly in Central Europe & the Nothern Balkans, i.e. Austria & Bosnia you would find pure examples. They are not as brachiacephalic as Alpines or Eastbaltics, C.I. approx.83-84, in measurements taken in Croatia, by Anthropologists in Croatia, 1942.
Hitler would have some Dinaric influences in his racial make up, but mostly Alpine & Nordic, which is a common type in Upper Bavaria & adjoining upper Austria. I should know, my people come from that region of Germany, & I have been told by many people that I look like Hitler (Hellstar will confirm this) I have medium brown hair, light green-grey eyes & pale skin.
Yes, great Germans like Beethoven & Martin Luther were predominantly Alpine! They were as Germanic as Himmler!;)
Servus,
Josef

Obergrenadier
Tuesday, November 5th, 2002, 11:12 PM
"i am more white than you bla bla bla" pfft stop your fucking bickering like old women. be proud of being WHITE does it matter who is "whiter"? i am a slav and i care for nordics and meds as much as i care for slavs....

SnowWhite
Friday, November 8th, 2002, 07:30 PM
Hi, I would like some info on this stuff. My husband says I am nordic, but I know I have mixtures of French and English. My father had white blond hair, my grandmother had bright red hair, and my mother had aubern hair. I have blond hair with a little bit of strawberry blond highlights. I have small features, ( small pouty lips I have been told) My eyes are blue, with yellow circles around the pupils, which makes them look green and grey depending on what I am wearing. Does hieght play a factor? I am the shortest person in my family :( at 5'7. Anyways, I am just curious what you can tell me from that.

Stríbog
Friday, November 8th, 2002, 08:22 PM
In my semi-experienced opinion, you sound mostly like a mixture of Halstatt and Keltic; this seems very plausible if you are French/English. Both of these are purely Nordic subtypes. The fine features coupled with the reddish-blond hair are what suggests these two groups to me. Also, 5'7" is not short for a woman, it is actually a little above average I think... If you know where in France and England your ancestors are from, that would help clarify. Ask Hellstar and Heimdall for a more definite analysis; they are far more experienced than I.

SnowWhite
Friday, November 8th, 2002, 10:39 PM
Sorry, I forgot to mention that on my mothers side I am swedish. In my family 5'7 is kind of short. My mother is 5'8, my dad was 6'2, and my brother is 6'3. I have 2 Aunts on the Swedish side, and they are both 5'9. My mothers maiden name was Larson, and Hunter is the name of my fathers side. Unfortunatly my father and grandmother on that side have both died, and I only know I have relatives named Hunter in Roanoke (I don't know if that the correct sp). My grandparents were from Sweden, but my mother hates that I am a racialist and doesn't talk about them, and since they are both dead as well, it is hard for me to get answers in my family as to specific locations. I know that my grandmothers mother's name on my father side was Sophie ,french, and that her husband was an Englishman named William. It sucks that the babyboomer generation stole our roots from us because if my parents hadn't held back from being proud of their race, I might know more.

GreenHeart
Saturday, November 9th, 2002, 03:51 AM
Originally posted by SnowWhite
Hi, I would like some info on this stuff. My husband says I am nordic, but I know I have mixtures of French and English. My father had white blond hair, my grandmother had bright red hair, and my mother had aubern hair. I have blond hair with a little bit of strawberry blond highlights. I have small features, ( small pouty lips I have been told) My eyes are blue, with yellow circles around the pupils, which makes them look green and grey depending on what I am wearing. Does hieght play a factor? I am the shortest person in my family :( at 5'7. Anyways, I am just curious what you can tell me from that.

Welcome to Aryan Dawn, its nice to have you here! That's really interesting- my eyes are the same way, so sometimes they look greenish. (The golden-yellow rings are there because one of my great grandmothers from Germany had brown eyes......) My eyes are darker blue not pale light blue like east baltics. My hair is brownish-auburn, thats the closest color you can describe it as. My whole family is blue eyed with blond to medium brown hair, and there are some red haired strains on my moms side.

I have a husband now too :gift
We just got married about 2 or 3 weeks ago!

Have you seen the site http://www.nordish.com ? If you go there and study it, you might be able to classify yourself. Another good site is http://www.racialcompact.com

You are definitely nordish, but I would have to see your picture or a pic of your parents to know what type you are for sure. I'm guessing you are probably Keltic and Halstatt or East baltic maybe.

About your question: Height is only slightly inportant it's mostly determined by environment, more than any other racial quality. Obviously someone who's genes say they can only grow to 5'2" will never be 6 feet tall but someone who was supposed to be 6 foot tall might only grow to 5'8 under bad conditions, like not enough nutrients, weak heart, or being around too much smoking or pollution.

Anyway, I would like to hear more about you, you sound like a good person. If you have AIM and you wanna chat to me my name on AOL instant messanger is AryanGoddSS or NordicPower88

Chemical Nose
Saturday, November 9th, 2002, 04:13 AM
If I didn't know better, I would think this was a narcissistic nudist camp:erm

GreenHeart
Saturday, November 9th, 2002, 04:18 AM
Originally posted by Chemical Nose
If I didn't know better, I would think this was a narcissistic nudist camp:erm

And what's wrong with that? :rolleyes:

As long as there are only sexy blond men around and no niggers!