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Needle
Tuesday, May 6th, 2003, 08:25 PM
"Cosmotheism is a religion which positively asserts that there is a internal purpose in life and in cosmos, and there is an essential unity, or consciousness that binds all living beings and all of the inorganic cosmos, as one.

What is our true human identity is we are the cosmos made self-aware and self-conscious by evolution.

Our true human purpose is to know and to complete ourselves as conscious Individuals and also as a self-aware species and thereby to co-evolve with the cosmos towards total and universal awareness, and towards the ever higher perfection of consciousness and being."

Best regards,

Needle

http://www.cosmotheism.net

Rahul
Wednesday, May 7th, 2003, 04:07 PM
Antar karan(internal reason), Atman(self), yatpinde tad brahmande(that which is this microcosm, is that macrocosm).

Heisenberg and etc...

Cosmotheism doesn't sound much different from what people understand as the Vedic conception of a life with a progression higher than this one. Give more to understand it better.



Fire remains the greatest god who is local to the worldly realm of man-Midgard. And it is Heimdall-the immortal among the mortals, who takes up his abode within our selves to meet the divine and guards us from all evil to be one with our gods in Asgard. The fire on this earth is also the realisation in man of the divinity and the sensual perception of all life itself. It is light itself, which is finally brought in its refulgent wholeness by the primal desire and the heat of tapas which sets the proto-microcosmic 'tatva', and brings about the birth of the 'father'-to whom primogeniture can be attributed, not of this self, but of all that is alive with life in this realm of existence.

The local fire still persists, now with an ethical dimension and as a source of all light and fair awareness. It is the son of Reta(Retajata RV 1:36.19), Satya, therefore it cannot be anything less than all that there is. The warmth of life, the light keeps shining throughout our lives, the light which shines above us is the very Atman. Its not mere fire or the blower of the Gjallhorn, it encompasses all known worlds and is spread over into many places, he raises the sun up in the sky, he is the seed of all life, he is the lord of earth, king of oceans and at the same time he is born in the oceans, oceans are his mothers-the nine daughters of Aegir. He is the mediator of mortals with gods.He burns corpses and removes all stains from them, it does not pollute him even as he burns them and comes in contact with the dead corpses, such is the transcendental nature of Heimdall. He can destroy evil with the sacrifice, he can destroy by sacrifice the demons, the giants. He destroys Loki and he will come back again because he is born again and yet again, because Agni is Dvijanmana. The son of Reta destroys at the Ragnarok, the prime evil even as he sacrifices himself in the noble battle for redeeming purity and establishing Reta after the chaos. And thus Balder is born again.

Needle
Friday, May 9th, 2003, 01:15 AM
"Cosmotheism doesn't sound much different from what people understand as the Vedic conception of a life with a progression higher than this one."

INDEED, as well as it should, as the Ancient ARYAN VEDIC conception actually is inherently SPIRITUALLY and MORALLY COSMOTHEISTIC.

"Give more to understand it better."

Everything you really need to understand "COSMOTHEISM" better

can actually best be found at:

http://www.cosmotheism.net

Best regards,

Needle

http://www.cosmotheism.net

PS--Any specific questions, I'd be happy to oblige. :D

Needle
Friday, May 9th, 2003, 01:29 AM
From the COSMOTHEISM "BOOKS" section of:

http://www.cosmotheism.net




The Path

I

1:1 Life is short, our brothers and sisters. Must it also be empty? Must it also be bitter? Must its passing hold terror?


1:2 Where is fulfillment to be found in the midst of shallow and empty things? Where is peace to be found in the midst of chaos and strife? Where is serenity to be obtained in a spiritual wasteland?


1:3 Seek no more, our brothers and sisters, for we give you these answers, and more.


1:4 We show you the meaning and the purpose of things. We lead you from confusion and uncertainty to knowledge; from weakness to strength; from frustrated desire to fulfillment.


1:5 We lead you to the Path of Life. We bring your souls into harmony, with the Spirit of All Things.


1:6 We give you the Truth, which is this: There is but one Reality, and that Reality is the Whole. It is the Creator, the Self-Created.


II

2:1 The meaning of the Truth is this: Man, the world, and the Creator are not separate things, but man is a part of the world, which is a part of the Whole, which is the Creator.


2:2 The tangible Universe is the material manifestation of the Creator. AH the blazing suns of the firmament; the formless gas between the stars; the silent, frozen mountain peaks of the moon; the rustling trees of earthly forests; the teeming creatures of the dark ocean depths; and man are parts of the Creator's material manifestation.


2:3 But the Creator has a spiritual manifestation, which is the Urge toward the One Purpose. The Urge lies at the root of all things and is manifested in the relations between all things.


2:4 The Urge is in the tenuous gases of the void, for they have a purpose, which are the flaming suns and all the planets, which form from them. The Urge is in the earth, for it has a purpose, which is the realm of plants and animals which flourish on it. And the Urge is in man, for he has a purpose, which is higher man.


2:5 And the purposes of all these things are steps on the Path of Life, which leads to the One Purpose, which is the Self-realization of the Creator: the Self-completion of the Self-created.


2:6 And the matter and the spirit, the Universe and the Urge, are One, and it is the Whole.


III

3:1 Man is of the Whole, and his purpose is the Creator's Purpose. And this signifies: Man is, in part, both the substance and the means of the Creator, and he is nothing else; this is his entire being and purpose.


3:2 And man serves the Creator's Purpose in two ways. The first way is the way of all the other parts of the Whole; it is the way of sub-man; it is the blind way; it is the way of the deeply in-dwelling consciousness, the immanent consciousness; it is the way of instinct. The second way is the way of higher man; it is the sighted way; it is the way of the awakened consciousness and of true reason; which is to say, it is the way of the perfect union of the immanent consciousness with man's reason, which perfect union we call Divine Consciousness.


IV

4:1 The meaning of the first way is this: The Purpose of the Creator is Self-completion; the Path of the Creator toward Self-completion is the Path of Life; and man is a step on this Path.


4:2 The Creator existed before man, and the Creator will exist after man has surpassed himself. The step on the Path before man was sub-man, and the step on the Path after man is higher man. But man is now, for a time, a part of the Creator, of the ever-changing, ever-evolving Whole.


4:3 There is a threshold on the Path at the step, which is man. It is the threshold of Divine Consciousness. Before man, each part of the Whole was blind, and it could not see the next step on the Path. The gases of the void could not foresee the suns which they were to become, nor could sub-man foresee man. The Urge carried the Whole along the Path, and each part of the Whole, though blind, served the Creator's Purpose.


V

5:1 And the meaning of the second way in which man serves the Creator's Purpose is this: The evolution of the Whole toward Self-completion is an evolution in spirit as well as in matter. Self-completion, which is Self-realization, is the attainment of perfect Self-consciousness. The Creator's Urge, which is immanent in the Universe, evolves toward an all-seeing Consciousness.


5:2 Man stands between sub-man and higher man, between immanent consciousness and awakened consciousness, between unawareness of his identity and his mission and a state of Divine Consciousness. Some men will cross the threshold, and some will not.


5:3 Those who attain Divine Consciousness will ascend the Path of Life toward their Destiny, which is Godhood; which is to say, the Path of Life leads upward through a never-ending succession of states, the next of which is that of higher man, and the ultimate that of the Self-realized Creator. True reason will illuminate the Path for them and give them foresight; it will be a mighty aid to the Creator's Urge within them.


5:4 And those who do not attain Divine Consciousness will continue groping in the darkness, and their feet will be tripped by the snares of false reason, and they will stumble from the Path, and they will fall into the depths.


5:5 For the threshold at which man stands is a dangerous threshold, a difficult threshold. And man's reason is a dangerous achievement. Just as it can give eyes to his instinct, which is the immanent consciousness of the Whole acting in him, so it can confuse and mislead his instinct.


VI

6:1 And let us now understand the present state of man, so that we can distinguish true reason from false reason. Let us employ true reason, so that it can guide us across the threshold of Divine Consciousness.


6:2 The difference between true reason and false reason is this: True reason seeks to guide man's actions in accord with the immanent consciousness of the Whole, while false reason does not.


6:3 The man or woman of true reason seeks order in all things, and he shuns chaos. He is pleased by a harmonious relationship between all the elements of his life and the world. He rejects that which clashes and does not fit, that which is alien.


6:4 He is happy in the knowledge that what was true and good yesterday will be true and good tomorrow. Through order and harmony, he seeks true progress, which is the ascent of the Path of Life; but he shuns frivolous change, which destroys the harmony between the past and the future.


6:5 He loves truth, and he hates falsehood.


6:6 He loves beauty, and he hates ugliness.


6:7 He loves nobility in all things, and he hates baseness.


6:8 And all these predispositions of the man or woman of true reason are like rays thrown out by the Divine Spark which burns in his soul. And this Divine Spark is the immanent consciousness of the Whole. It is the presence of the Creator's Urge in him.


VII

7:1 The Divine Spark burns brightly in some men, and their reason is true. It burns less brightly in others, and in them true reason may give way to false reason.


7:2 For the Urge is in all things, but the state of consciousness of the Whole is more highly evolved in some things than in others. It is more highly evolved in living things than in non-living things; in man than in other animals; and in some men than in other men. There exists in the various living creatures a continuous hierarchy of states of the immanent consciousness of the Whole.


7:3 In the best of times men and women of true reason prevail, and there is true progress.


7:4 But in the worst of times false reason overcomes true reason. Then the self-seekers, the liars, and those of base motives prevail.


7:5 And then all the other evils come forth: Falsehood overcomes truth and is held up in the place of truth. Ugliness replaces beauty and is preferred over beauty. Baseness is everywhere and is praised as nobility. Disharmony rules all men's lives, and those of true reason are frustrated in their desires.


7:6 Lies are heard everywhere, and no one has the power to speak against them. Evil deeds are seen everywhere, and no one can act against them. All that is good, valuable, and progressive is pulled down and defiled. All that is alien and discordant grows and multiplies. There is no true reason or peace in the masses of men, and they are without direction or purpose.


7:7 Then most men live from day to day, and their only thought is of themselves. Through idle amusements, through eating and drinking, through games and parties, through stupefying themselves with intoxicants, and through every other form of self-indulgence, they turn their thoughts away from the meaninglessness of their existence.


7:8 Some men attempt to give directions to their lives, but they are false directions. Their purposes may be to accumulate wealth or f o wield power over other men or to become skilled in some art or craft. But unless these purposes are related to the Creator's Purpose they are without merit and the lives of those who pursue them are as without meaning as the lives of those with no purpose.


7:9 For falsehood may often have the appearance of truth, but it remains false nevertheless. A man may pile up mountains of gold, or he may order nations to war, or he may acquire great knowledge or skill, but if he does not direct his life in accordance with the One Purpose, he may as well not have lived.


VIII

8:1 Death comes to the man or woman without Divine Consciousness as it comes to the sub-man: living matter becomes non-living matter; meaningless life becomes meaningless death; the personality is annihilated. Eternal nothingness is the destiny of those who are spiritually empty.


8:2 But he who has attained a state of Divine Consciousness partakes of the immortality of the Whole in the way of higher man: his body perishes, but his spirit remains with the Whole.


8:3 He who is a member of the Community of Divine Consciousness is not annihilated by death, because his consciousness is one with that of the Community. So long as the Community lives, his consciousness lives; and so long as the Community serves the One True Purpose, he who served that Purpose before the perishing of his body serves it in eternity.


IX

9:1 The Community of Divine Consciousness is the Community of the Awakened, the Community of the Climbers of the Path, the Community of the People of the Rune of Life, the Community of the Ordained Ones.


9:2 The gathering of those who would become members of the Community of Divine Consciousness is called the Cosmotheist Community; it is the Community of those who would become People of the Rune.


9:3 And the People of the Rune are known by these four things: knowledge, consciousness, discipline, and service; they are the things for which the members of the Cosmotheist Community strive.


9:4 By knowledge is meant understanding of the Truth. It is attained by the receptive learner through diligent study of the teachings of the Cosmotheist Community.


9:5 By consciousness is meant the awakened state of those who have gone beyond knowledge and have partaken of the immanent consciousness of the Whole which resides in their innermost souls; they have understood the inner message and have seen that it is the same as the outer message, which is the message taught by the Cosmotheist Community. The attainment of consciousness, like knowledge, requires receptiveness and diligence, and it also requires good will, which is to say, a pure motive.


9:6 Discipline comes from without and from within. From without it is imposed on the members of the Cosmotheist Community. By being so imposed it brings forth the growth of discipline from within. Without discipline, there is no mastery, and he who has not mastered the chaos of conflicting forces within himself cannot render full service. But discipline imposed and discipline which grows from within together give those who have attained knowledge and consciousness mastery over their own forces, so that those forces may serve the Creator's Purpose.


X

10:1 Service of the Creator's Purpose is the purpose of all things, and the purpose of the Community of Divine Consciousness is service which is conscious and disciplined. In this dangerous and difficult era of the threshold between man and higher man, many men have ceased serving the Creator's Purpose in the old way, which is the way of sub-man, the unconscious way, and they have not begun serving in the new way. False reason leads them instead into the grievous error of contravention of the Creator's Purpose.


10:2 But the members of the Community of Divine Consciousness, the Awakened Ones, the People of the Rune, serve in the new way, which is the way of higher man, the way of true reason. They are conscious agents of the Creator's Purpose.


10:3 And they are ordained to overcome the men of false reason and to put an end to the works of all those who contravene the Creator's Purpose.


10:4 They are the beginning; they are the first crossers of the threshold; they are the pointers of the way, of the Path of Life. Through their service, they resume the never-ending ascent toward their Destiny, which is Godhood.


XI

11:1 And this is our summons to you, our brothers and sisters; it is our call to all the men and women of our blood who are of good will:


11:2 Abandon falsehood and folly. Cast off alien ways and free yourselves from the snares of false reason. Turn away from the corruption of this decaying order of things.


11:3 Understand who you are and what your purpose is. Seek your Destiny. Put your life into the service of Cosmic Truth.


11:4 Enter now into the Cosmotheist Community. Partake of our joyful certainty that the Creator's Purpose will be fulfilled. Lay with us the foundations for the new order of things, which will rise in the place of the old.


11:5 Cross with us the threshold of Divine Consciousness. Strive with us toward membership in the Community of the Awakened.


Also, read in "BOOKS": ON LIVING THINGS and ON SOCIETY.


Best regards,

Needle

http://www.cosmotheism.net

Ederico
Saturday, May 10th, 2003, 02:52 PM
This thread is about Cosmotheism since it is titled What is COSMOTHEISM? Since it was heading off-topic the off-topic posts were deleted.

Rahul
Saturday, May 10th, 2003, 03:55 PM
Although this Cosmotheism must have grown in the west, it is indeed highly similar to our own Vedic idea of world, or what, simply, is.

Well, other than that, it is interesting and not entirely new to me at least. But it appears like a welcome development.

Added Later

But this appears to be suffering from a spirit of semitic creeds to pull adherants. Just how long will it be before it is gripped by Afro-centricism/Multi-Culturalism?

The last few points suggest so.

Why can't we see the meaning within each individual tradition?

be it Norse, Roman, Germanic, Celtic, Gaelic or the Persian?

Ederico
Saturday, May 24th, 2003, 06:03 PM
Any Cosmotheists here? cosmocreator is a Cosmotheist to my knowledge or draws from it. I would like some information on Cosmotheism, like how it developed and through which ideals and individuals and what are the main tenets of such a belief system. Please post your knowledge about it and not just links. So any Cosmotheists around?

cosmocreator
Saturday, May 24th, 2003, 07:42 PM
Cosmotheism was created by the late Dr. William Pierce, founder of the National Alliance.

If you read the constitution I sent you, Cosmotheism is an intergral part of it.

Ederico
Saturday, May 24th, 2003, 08:13 PM
Yes I have noticed that in your Constitution (by the way, it has a good basis, I just read it), it was that that led me to make this thread.

cosmocreator
Thursday, May 29th, 2003, 09:23 PM
1.
We positively asserts that there is a internal purpose in life and in the cosmos, and there is an essential unity, or consciousness that binds all living beings and all of the inorganic cosmos, as one. What is our true human identity is we are the cosmos made self-aware and self-conscious by evolution. Our true human purpose is to know and to complete ourselves as conscious individuals and also as a self-aware species and thereby to co-evolve with the cosmos towards total and universal awareness, and towards the ever-higher perfection of consciousness and being.

2.
We assert that there is a path we call the One Purpose
From the path we know these things:

(i) There is but one Reality, and that Reality is the Whole. It is the Creator, the Self-created.
(ii) The material manifestation of the Creator is the tangible Universe, with all its non-living and living things, including man.
(iii) The spiritual manifestation of the Creator is the Urge toward the One Purpose. The Urge lies at the root of all things and is manifested in the relations between all things.


3.
We assert that the One Purpose is the Self-Realization of the Creator: the Self-completion of the Self-created. Man's purpose is the Creator's Purpose. He is, in part both of substance and the means of the Creator, and he is nothing else; this is his entire being and purpose.


4.
We assert that Man serves the Creator's Purpose in two ways:

(i) Unconsciously and

(ii) Consciously

In both ways he follows the Path of Life, which is the Creator's evolutionary Path toward Self-Completion. He passes from step to step on the Path, from sub-man to man to higher man, and beyond. In the unconscious way the passing is blind, an its driving force is instinct, which is a manifestation of the immanent consciousness of the Whole in man.

And in the conscious way the passing is guided by man's awareness of his true identity and his true mission; this awareness illuminates the Path before him and allows him to choose his steps.


5.
We assert that these things, which we know, lead us to an understanding of the significance and value of all living things: of the variety of animals, of the races of man, and the varying qualities of individual men.


6.
We understand that the living things developed from non-living things through the all-permeating Urge toward self-realization: first there was the Urge, and through it came the ordering of non-living and the highest ordered became living. And the Urge has ordered the living things, and through this ordering, have come higher levels of consciousness. And the Urge continues it*¦s ordering.

All matter, living and non-living, is ordered in a hierarchy, animate above inanimate, conscious above unconscious. The Urge is toward higher consciousness; the purpose of all material things is the implementation of the Urge, the service of the One Purpose; and the value of each thing is its potential for serving the One purpose.


7.
Now, our understanding of this truth must serve as a guide to us in evaluating all things living and non-living, animate and inanimate, human and non-human.

Some have taught falsely that all things, being of the Whole, are sacred and inviolable. They mean: sacred in the eyes of men; inviolable by men. They may be of good will, in wanting to restrain men from thoughtless destruction, in wanting to protect beautiful and noble living things, in wanting to preserve the harmony of the Universe. But their understanding is limited, and their teaching is contrary to the purpose of the Creator's Purpose.

For man is not a spectator but a participant; not a being apart, but a part of all Being. And every living part of the Whole lives only by violating other parts; every animal must take unto itself other living things and must cast away its wastes.

It is only the Whole, which is inviolable, only the One Purpose, which is sacred. The parts of the Whole come and go; they are subject to the eternal process of Creation, which annihilates some, preserves some, and transforms some.

And higher man, Divinely Conscious man, is an agent as well as a subject of this process. When a member of the Community of Divine Consciousness acts in accord with the One Purpose, the Creator is acting.

Others have taught falsely that man himself is sacred and inviolable; that all who are "men" are immune to the process of creation, that men stand aside from it and above it, and that all men are of kind.

But the value of man lies not in his conformation, nor in his ability to speak or to reason, except as these things aid him in serving the One Purpose. If he does not serve the Purpose, his life is without value, his formation and reason meaningless. If he contravenes the One Purpose, then he is an abomination, his life a defilement of all life.


8.
Thus are men ranked in value:

(i) First in value are those with Divine Consciousness; they are those who walk the Path of Life with sure foresight; they are those who have crossed the threshold from man to higher man; they are those who serve the Creator's Purpose in full consciousness that they are of the Creator and in full knowledge of the way in which they serve; they are the Awakened Ones;

(ii) Next in value are those of goodwill and awakening consciousness; they are those who strive for Divine Consciousness;

(iii) After them are all those of the stock from which the Awakened Ones arise, those of the same race-soul; for they collectively, are the reservoir in which higher man has his origin and from which he draws his replacements.

But in this reservoir men are also ranked in value:

(i) Those uncorrupted by false reason are higher, and those corrupted are lower.

(ii) Those of goodwill are higher, and those indifferent or self-seeking or serving alien masters are lower.

(iii) Those who have mastered themselves are higher, and those who have not are lower.

(iv) Those with great capability for knowledge are higher, and those with less capability are lower.

(v) Those who are of strong constitution and well formed are higher, and those who are weak or sickly or ill formed are lower.

(vi) And those men who, even though of the stock from which the Awakened Ones arise, are corrupted of ill will, undisciplined, without the capability for knowledge, weak, or ill formed cannot claim value by reason of their stock alone. For they may threaten, through evil action, the One Purpose, if they are corrupted by false reason and of ill will. And they may also threaten, through weakening of the stock, the One purpose, if they lack the capability for discipline or knowledge or are of poor constitution.


9.
And all other living things may also be ranked in value: men not of the stock from which the Awakened Ones arise; the beasts of the field, the birds of the air, the fishes of the sea; the smaller things which creep or crawl or fly; the large and small forms of inanimate life.

Each living thing has a potential for good effect and for evil effect, for serving the Creator's Purpose and for contravening it. This potential is both inherent in a thing and dependent on its relationships with other living things, and it determines the value of the thing.


10.
Let us know how this potential is judged:

The Potential for good which is inherent in a thing is its potential for attaining Divine Consciousness or for giving rise to new things which may attain Divine Consciousness; its potential for good which is dependent on its relationships with other things is its potential for hindering the attaining of Divine Consciousness by other things.

A Thing's potential for evil, which is dependent on the things relations to other things is its potential for hindering the attaining of Divine Consciousness by other things.

A thing may have a high potential for attaining Divine Consciousness, but it may also have a potential for hindering another living thing with a higher potential for attaining Divine Consciousness; or it may have a low potential for attaining Divine Consciousness, yet have a high potential for aiding another living thing in attaining Divine Consciousness.

We can deem a thing good or evil only after we have weighted together its potential for both good and evil effect. For this weighing we must have knowledge; for this reason does the Cosmotheist seek knowledge.


11.
A living thing may realize its potential for good effect by providing either physical or spiritual sustenance for the stock of men from which the Awakened Ones arises:

It may provide physical sustenance, as the sheaf of grain or the steer provides bread or meat. Or it may sustain those things which provide sustenance, as the grass of the meadow nourishes the steer or the microbes of the soil allow the grain to grow. Or it may provide spiritual sustenance, as the trees of the forest, the flowers of the field, the strong and graceful beasts of prey provide beauty for the eye, instruction for the mind, and inspiration for the soul.


12.
And a living thing may realize its potential for evil effect in all the ways it may harm the stock of men from which the awakened Ones arises:

It may weaken or destroy that stock physically, as the plague microbe or the debilitating parasite wreaks its havoc. Or it may deny that stock sustenance, as the swarm of locusts destroys the sustaining grain. Or it may corrupt that stock spiritually, as the stock of alien race-soul spreads its spiritual poison or it may corrupt that stock through a mixing of bloods.

The first two of these evil effects may come from things which have a low potential for attaining Divine Consciousness, but the latter two come only from things which are close in potential for attaining Divine Consciousness to the stock from which the Awakened Ones arise.


13.
Let us understand these latter evils:

The process of Creation is a process of developing self-consciousness in the Whole. Its way has progressed from blindness to foresightedness, from unguided groping to the threshold of consciously directed progress. Because its way has been a groping, bound in the fog of imperfect consciousness, Creation has followed many channels; the Urge has taken many directions.

In some channels the current of progress has been slow, and in some it has been rapid. Some channels have ended in stagnant ponds, and the Urge has found no outlet. Some ponds have dried up altogether. In other channels the current has been rapids, but the course of the channel has gone askew: reason has developed without consciousness, strength without discipline, action without service for the One Purpose.



14.
Thus are we to understand the diversity of the forms of life. In one channel the current has been sufficiently rapid and the course sufficiently true that the stream of life has reached the edge of the god. Beyond lies the open water in which distant goals can be seen and a straight course chosen with foresight. But other currents also run near the edge of the fog, and the danger still exists of being swept into a false channel, of being carried back into the fog, of emptying into a stagnant pond. And the closer we are these false channels, the greater the danger.



15.
And so, then, those living things which provide necessary physical and spiritual sustenance for the stock from which arise the awakened ones are good and should be preserved: the grain and the steer, just as the living forest, the flowers of the field, the eagle and the leopard, and all other living things necessary to these.

And those living things which weaken the stock from which the Awakened Ones arise, or deny it necessary sustenance, or pull down its potential for Divine Consciousness are evil, and measures must be taken against them; against the disease organisms which plague sustenance, against the lesser stocks which may mix or corrupt. And as the last of these evils is the greatest, so must the strongest measures be taken against it.



16.
In evaluating living things, this also must be understood:

Our stock has reached a threshold, which separates the unconscious way of progress from the conscious way, and the values of all things change when this threshold is crossed.

In an age of immanent consciousness some living things serve through their very hostility to advance our stock, as the wolf strengthens the stock of sheep by pruning away the slow and the infirm.

In an age of awakened consciousness, these things cease to serve; our stock will prune itself, and the pruning will better serve the One Purpose, because it will be done with foresight.

But at the threshold we must use the greatest care; its crossing is a time of danger, in which the old way no longer serves, and the new way still waits beyond the threshold.



17.
And these are the qualities which man shall value in himself, both higher man and the stock from which higher man arises:
i. First, the brightness of the Divine Spark in his soul, which is the Immanent Consciousness of the Whole in him. The brighter it burns, the truer is a man's inner sense of direction.
ii. Second, the strength of his reason, for the perfect union of reason with Immanent Consciousness is Divine Consciousness. The stronger is a man's reason, the more effectively can he implement the Creator's Urge and the more truly steer his life's course in the direction illuminated by the Divine Spark in his soul.
iii. Third, the strength of his character, which is his ability to act in accord with his immanent consciousness and reason, overcoming the lesser urgings in himself, seeking consciousness rather than pleasure, knowledge rather than happiness, true progress rather than wealth. it is his ability to subordinate all the extraneous urgings which are of the nature of sub-man and man to Urge, which is the nature of higher man.
iv. Fourth, the physical constitution of his body, that it might serve well the One Purpose. Thus are strength and soundness and keen senses to be valued, for they make the body a better tool, and beauty, for it manifests man*¦s Divine nature and inspires his efforts to act in accord with the urgings of his race-soul.



18.
These are the ways in which man shall consciously serve the Creator*¦s Purpose, combining true reason with Immanent Consciousness in the advancement of his stock along the Path of Life:

(i) He shall keep his stock pure; he shall not permit his blood to mix with that of other stocks, for each stock follows a different course along the Path of Life. When stocks are mixed, the inner sense of direction is lost and with it the potential for attaining Divine Consciousness.

(ii) He shall increase the number of his stock, and he shall make every land wherein he dwells, free of the danger of mixing with other stocks.

(iii) He shall so arrange his laws and his institutions that in each generation, men and women shall engender numbers of offspring in proportion to their own value: the best shall engender the most, and the worst none.

(iv) He shall guide the progress of his stock from generation to generation: he shall act as the wolf and the winter have acted, pruning and selecting; and he shall act as have all those forces of the Whole which change the seed of his stock.

(v) And he shall do these things in full consciousness of his identity as the substance of the Creator and the agent of the Creator*¦s Purpose.

Grimr
Thursday, May 29th, 2003, 10:11 PM
Cool.

cosmocreator
Thursday, May 29th, 2003, 11:34 PM
Glad you like it. You're on your way to Godhood.

Saoirse
Friday, May 30th, 2003, 04:41 AM
I am into Creativity, it makes more since. Plus, I think Pierce stole this religion after Klassen founded Creativity.

cosmocreator
Friday, May 30th, 2003, 08:18 PM
Originally posted by Irish Nationalist
I am into Creativity, it makes more since. Plus, I think Pierce stole this religion after Klassen founded Creativity.


Cosmotheism and Creativity are not similiar.

NatRev
Friday, May 30th, 2003, 11:13 PM
In a nutshell, what are the main differences between Cosmotheism and Creativity?

I'll be honest with you, I was raised Church of England, went off into paganism, spent a few years as a member of the Temple of Set, left them as they didn't offer me anything worthwhile, went back into paganism, thought it was a bit of superstitious nonsense but with some very distinctive and sincere messages in the myths, legends etc.. (the neo-pagan white lighters never really seemed to take off with me, I thought it was too artificial, this is just my opinion, I don't mean any offense to anyone) and now am just 'looking'.

The stuff you mentioned seemed to make a LOT of sense.

Do I take it that Cosmotheism is a bit like a kind of modern day Gnosticism although incorporating modern day knowledge of science etc. I find this more in line with my own ideals than any pseudo religion. I particularly like the mixture of science, philosophy and religion, I kind of guess this is due to my 'X Files' approach to this ideal; the truth is out there.... :)

What, if any, mainstream religions do you think it is nearest to?

I don't mean to intrude, but do you 'pray' or have forms of worship? I personally am more in favour of personal discovery rather than actual 'praying-rituals' etc. however, I feel that most religious practices or at least social gatherings hold a great deal of spiritual content; I think I've said before that an American baseball game would hold more spiritual influence on me than any Sunday morning yawnathon with the local Vicar! x_zzz

cosmocreator
Friday, May 30th, 2003, 11:29 PM
Creativity is more based on race, the white race, itself -- and preserving it. Cosmotheism suggests that there is a larger purpose to our existence.

NatRev
Saturday, May 31st, 2003, 12:27 PM
Ah, so my synopsis that it is a modern Gnostic ideal was true?

It sounds very interesting indeed. Perhaps you could even have a sub-forum here based on the ideals and teachings of this philosophy.

cosmocreator
Saturday, March 6th, 2004, 09:06 AM
Cosmotheism: The Path
Opinion; Posted on: 2004-02-28 13:34:12 [ Printer friendly ]

by Dr. William L. Pierce (pictured)

EDITOR'S NOTE: 'Cosmotheism' is the name given by the late Dr.
William Pierce to his philosophy of life -- his religion, if you
will -- which embodied for him the fundamental truths about the
nature of the Universe and our purpose in it. By the standards of a
more childish and innocent time, Dr. Pierce might be adjudged an
atheist, and by those who call themselves `atheists' today -- the
narrow egoists of the Rand cult and its derivatives, and the
sentimental Christians-without-Christ who constitute the `Secular
Humanist' and Marxian reformations of the gospel -- he could not
even be understood, so limited is their vision.

Dr. Pierce's Cosmotheism is not a `revealed' religion, but is
instead what he called a natural religion, in that it rejects all of
the claimed supernatural and unverifiable communications between a
putative deity and man which find their way onto shining golden
plates or ancient scrolls, instead having its basis in the realities
of Nature that our eyes -- and the investigations of science -- have
confirmed. In the drama of the evolution of life from non-living
matter, and of higher and more conscious beings from lower forms of
life, William Pierce sees a path of purpose and destiny for men.

In prior articles in the series `Intimations of Cosmotheism' on
National Vanguard, I have shown that other writers and thinkers,
including Charles Lindbergh and Sir Oswald Mosley, have expressed
ideas parallel to those which Dr. Pierce brought to their fullest
_expression. The Path is the first of Dr. Pierce's three great essays
on Cosmotheism, all of which will be presented on National Vanguard
in coming weeks.

Dr. Pierce wrote these pieces -- expressing what he saw as his most
profound insights into the nature of reality -- in somewhat poetic
language. The more rational-minded among us, who disdain the flowery
phrases of the preacher or the mystic, must not be put off by that.
Dr. Pierce, that supremely rational of men, the physicist, the
teacher of hard truths, was trying to reach us at two levels
simultaneously, I think: the level of our reason, where Spencer and
Aristotle reach us, and the level of our instincts or soul, where
Wagner and Mozart touch us and Apollo and Zarathustra dwell. --
K.A.S.



I


LIFE IS SHORT, our brothers and sisters. Must it also be empty? Must
it also be bitter? Must its passing hold terror?

Where is fulfillment to be found in the midst of shallow and empty
things? Where is peace to be found in the midst of chaos and strife?
Where is serenity to be obtained in a spiritual wasteland?

Seek no more, our brothers and sisters, for we give you these
answers, and more.

We show you the meaning and the purpose of things. We lead you from
confusion and uncertainty to knowledge; from weakness to strength;
from frustrated desire to fulfillment.

We lead you to the Path of Life. We bring your souls into harmony,
with the Spirit of All Things.

We give you the Truth, which is this: There is but one Reality, and
that Reality is the Whole. It is the Creator, the Self-Created.



II


The meaning of the Truth is this: Man, the world, and the Creator
are not separate things, but man is a part of the world, which is a
part of the Whole, which is the Creator.

The tangible Universe is the material manifestation of the Creator.
All the blazing suns of the firmament; the formless gas between the
stars; the silent, frozen mountain peaks of the moon; the rustling
trees of earthly forests; the teeming creatures of the dark ocean
depths; and man are parts of the Creator's material manifestation.

But the Creator has a spiritual manifestation, which is the Urge
toward the One Purpose. The Urge lies at the root of all things and
is manifested in the relations between all things.

The Urge is in the tenuous gases of the void, for they have a
purpose, which are the flaming suns and all the planets, which form
from them. The Urge is in the earth, for it has a purpose, which is
the realm of plants and animals which flourish on it. And the Urge
is in man, for he has a purpose, which is higher man.

And the purposes of all these things are steps on the Path of Life,
which leads to the One Purpose, which is the Self-realization of the
Creator: the Self-completion of the Self-created.

And the matter and the spirit, the Universe and the Urge, are One,
and it is the Whole.



III


Man is of the Whole, and his purpose is the Creator's Purpose. And
this signifies: Man is, in part, both the substance and the means of
the Creator, and he is nothing else; this is his entire being and
purpose.

And man serves the Creator's Purpose in two ways. The first way is
the way of all the other parts of the Whole; it is the way of sub-
man; it is the blind way; it is the way of the deeply in-dwelling
consciousness, the immanent consciousness; it is the way of
instinct. The second way is the way of higher man; it is the sighted
way; it is the way of the awakened consciousness and of true reason;
which is to say, it is the way of the perfect union of the immanent
consciousness with man's reason, which perfect union we call Divine
Consciousness.



IV


The meaning of the first way is this: The Purpose of the Creator is
Self-completion; the Path of the Creator toward Self-completion is
the Path of Life; and man is a step on this Path.

The Creator existed before man, and the Creator will exist after man
has surpassed himself. The step on the Path before man was sub-man,
and the step on the Path after man is higher man. But man is now,
for a time, a part of the Creator, of the ever-changing, ever-
evolving Whole.

There is a threshold on the Path at the step, which is man. It is
the threshold of Divine Consciousness. Before man, each part of the
Whole was blind, and it could not see the next step on the Path. The
gases of the void could not foresee the suns which they were to
become, nor could sub-man foresee man. The Urge carried the Whole
along the Path, and each part of the Whole, though blind, served the
Creator's Purpose.



V


And the meaning of the second way in which man serves the Creator's
Purpose is this: The evolution of the Whole toward Self-completion
is an evolution in spirit as well as in matter. Self-completion,
which is Self-realization, is the attainment of perfect Self-
consciousness. The Creator's Urge, which is immanent in the
Universe, evolves toward an all-seeing Consciousness.

Man stands between sub-man and higher man, between immanent
consciousness and awakened consciousness, between unawareness of his
identity and his mission and a state of Divine Consciousness. Some
men will cross the threshold, and some will not.

Those who attain Divine Consciousness will ascend the Path of Life
toward their Destiny, which is Godhood; which is to say, the Path of
Life leads upward through a never-ending succession of states, the
next of which is that of higher man, and the ultimate that of the
Self-realized Creator. True reason will illuminate the Path for them
and give them foresight; it will be a mighty aid to the Creator's
Urge within them.

And those who do not attain Divine Consciousness will continue
groping in the darkness, and their feet will be tripped by the
snares of false reason, and they will stumble from the Path, and
they will fall into the depths.

For the threshold at which man stands is a dangerous threshold, a
difficult threshold. And man's reason is a dangerous achievement.
Just as it can give eyes to his instinct, which is the immanent
consciousness of the Whole acting in him, so it can confuse and
mislead his instinct.



VI


And let us now understand the present state of man, so that we can
distinguish true reason from false reason. Let us employ true
reason, so that it can guide us across the threshold of Divine
Consciousness.

The difference between true reason and false reason is this: True
reason seeks to guide man's actions in accord with the immanent
consciousness of the Whole, while false reason does not.

The man or woman of true reason seeks order in all things, and he
shuns chaos. He is pleased by a harmonious relationship between all
the elements of his life and the world. He rejects that which
clashes and does not fit, that which is alien.

He is happy in the knowledge that what was true and good yesterday
will be true and good tomorrow. Through order and harmony, he seeks
true progress, which is the ascent of the Path of Life; but he shuns
frivolous change, which destroys the harmony between the past and
the future.

He loves truth, and he hates falsehood.

He loves beauty, and he hates ugliness.

He loves nobility in all things, and he hates baseness.

And all these predispositions of the man or woman of true reason are
like rays thrown out by the Divine Spark which burns in his soul.
And this Divine Spark is the immanent consciousness of the Whole. It
is the presence of the Creator's Urge in him.



VII


The Divine Spark burns brightly in some men, and their reason is
true. It burns less brightly in others, and in them true reason may
give way to false reason.

For the Urge is in all things, but the state of consciousness of the
Whole is more highly evolved in some things than in others. It is
more highly evolved in living things than in non-living things; in
man than in other animals; and in some men than in other men. There
exists in the various living creatures a continuous hierarchy of
states of the immanent consciousness of the Whole.

In the best of times men and women of true reason prevail, and there
is true progress.

But in the worst of times false reason overcomes true reason. Then
the self-seekers, the liars, and those of base motives prevail.

And then all the other evils come forth: Falsehood overcomes truth
and is held up in the place of truth. Ugliness replaces beauty and
is preferred over beauty. Baseness is everywhere and is praised as
nobility. Disharmony rules all men's lives, and those of true reason
are frustrated in their desires.

Lies are heard everywhere, and no one has the power to speak against
them. Evil deeds are seen everywhere, and no one can act against
them. All that is good, valuable, and progressive is pulled down and
defiled. All that is alien and discordant grows and multiplies.
There is no true reason or peace in the masses of men, and they are
without direction or purpose.

Then most men live from day to day, and their only thought is of
themselves. Through idle amusements, through eating and drinking,
through games and parties, through stupefying themselves with
intoxicants, and through every other form of self-indulgence, they
turn their thoughts away from the meaninglessness of their
existence.

Some men attempt to give directions to their lives, but they are
false directions. Their purposes may be to accumulate wealth or to
wield power over other men or to become skilled in some art or
craft. But unless these purposes are related to the Creator's
Purpose they are without merit and the lives of those who pursue
them are as without meaning as the lives of those with no purpose.

For falsehood may often have the appearance of truth, but it remains
false nevertheless. A man may pile up mountains of gold, or he may
order nations to war, or he may acquire great knowledge or skill,
but if he does not direct his life in accordance with the One
Purpose, he may as well not have lived.



VIII


Death comes to the man or woman without Divine Consciousness as it
comes to the sub-man: living matter becomes non-living matter;
meaningless life becomes meaningless death; the personality is
annihilated. Eternal nothingness is the destiny of those who are
spiritually empty.

But he who has attained a state of Divine Consciousness partakes of
the immortality of the Whole in the way of higher man: his body
perishes, but his spirit remains with the Whole.

He who is a member of the Community of Divine Consciousness is not
annihilated by death, because his consciousness is one with that of
the Community. So long as the Community lives, his consciousness
lives; and so long as the Community serves the One True Purpose, he
who served that Purpose before the perishing of his body serves it
in eternity.



IX


The Community of Divine Consciousness is the Community of the
Awakened, the Community of the Climbers of the Path, the Community
of the People of the Rune of Life, the Community of the Ordained
Ones.

The gathering of those who would become members of the Community of
Divine Consciousness is called the Cosmotheist Community; it is the
Community of those who would become People of the Rune.

And the People of the Rune are known by these four things:
knowledge, consciousness, discipline, and service; they are the
things for which the members of the Cosmotheist Community strive.

By knowledge is meant understanding of the Truth. It is attained by
the receptive learner through diligent study of the teachings of the
Cosmotheist Community.

By consciousness is meant the awakened state of those who have gone
beyond knowledge and have partaken of the immanent consciousness of
the Whole which resides in their innermost souls; they have
understood the inner message and have seen that it is the same as
the outer message, which is the message taught by the Cosmotheist
Community. The attainment of consciousness, like knowledge, requires
receptiveness and diligence, and it also requires good will, which
is to say, a pure motive.

Discipline comes from without and from within. From without it is
imposed on the members of the Cosmotheist Community. By being so
imposed it brings forth the growth of discipline from within.
Without discipline, there is no mastery, and he who has not mastered
the chaos of conflicting forces within himself cannot render full
service. But discipline imposed and discipline which grows from
within together give those who have attained knowledge and
consciousness mastery over their own forces, so that those forces
may serve the Creator's Purpose.



X


Service of the Creator's Purpose is the purpose of all things, and
the purpose of the Community of Divine Consciousness is service
which is conscious and disciplined. In this dangerous and difficult
era of the threshold between man and higher man, many men have
ceased serving the Creator's Purpose in the old way, which is the
way of sub-man, the unconscious way, and they have not begun serving
in the new way. False reason leads them instead into the grievous
error of contravention of the Creator's Purpose.

But the members of the Community of Divine Consciousness, the
Awakened Ones, the People of the Rune, serve in the new way, which
is the way of higher man, the way of true reason. They are conscious
agents of the Creator's Purpose.

And they are ordained to overcome the men of false reason and to put
an end to the works of all those who contravene the Creator's
Purpose.

They are the beginning; they are the first crossers of the
threshold; they are the pointers of the way, of the Path of Life.
Through their service, they resume the never-ending ascent toward
their Destiny, which is Godhood.



XI


And this is our summons to you, our brothers and sisters; it is our
call to all the men and women of our blood who are of good will:

Abandon falsehood and folly. Cast off alien ways and free yourselves
from the snares of false reason. Turn away from the corruption of
this decaying order of things.

Understand who you are and what your purpose is. Seek your Destiny.
Put your life into the service of Cosmic Truth.

Enter now into the Cosmotheist Community. Partake of our joyful
certainty that the Creator's Purpose will be fulfilled. Lay with us
the foundations for the new order of things, which will rise in the
place of the old.

Cross with us the threshold of Divine Consciousness. Strive with us
toward membership in the Community of the Awakened.


Source: Cosmotheist Community

Gorm the Old
Thursday, January 13th, 2005, 04:05 AM
Particularly, Cosmotheism is c losely related to the advaita vedanta in which the polytheism of the Vedas is resolved into henotheism. The Brahman is shown to be all, the one without a second. The gods, the cosmos, the individual atmans are all aspects of the one individual Brahman. All is one and there is no difference between man and god and the material world, for all are but maya, illusion concealing the sole reality of Brahman. Samsara, the "endless" cycle of birth and death is also maya, and the realization of this leads to moksha, liberation from the illusion that birth and death are real. Moksha is the ultimate self-realization in which the individual finally realizes his absolute identity with Brahman. This doctrine is obviously very closely related to the much later western insights embodied in Cosmotheism.

Needle
Thursday, January 13th, 2005, 01:03 PM
E

You said:

"This doctrine is obviously very closely related to the much later western insights embodied in Cosmotheism."

Of course, as that doctrine is ancient Aryan Cosmotheism, and the much later and Western and Modern and updated with our current scientific knowledge is the Aryan Cosmotheism of today that can be found here:
http://www.cosmotheism.net


R said:

"But this appears to be suffering from a spirit of semitic creeds to pull adherants. Just how long will it be before it is gripped by Afro-centricism/Multi-Culturalism?"

It already has been, in some quarters, but, NOT within the
Modern Aryan Cosmotheism founded by the late Dr. William
L. Pierce that is reflected here:
http://www.cosmotheism.net

You asked:

"Why can't we see the meaning within each individual tradition?

be it Norse, Roman, Germanic, Celtic, Gaelic or the Persian?"

Indeed, why not? I am sure that there is a Cosmotheistic thread of
meaning that runs within all of those Aryan or White traditions that
you just mentioned above, and then some!

Best regards,
Paul Vogel aka the NEEDLE
http://www.cosmotheism.net

PS--Any of those that are interested in Cosmotheism are invited to join our private Cosmotheism E-Forum for members only. Just go to the Main Page of the Cosmotheism website mentioned above and click on "Forum" for all of the details.

Cosmotheist
Friday, April 14th, 2006, 02:17 AM
Cosmotheism is the religion set forth by Dr. William Pierce in three essays or "books" he wrote to express his religious philosophy. These books are, The Path, On Living Things and On Society. When we refer to "scripture" we are refering to these three books. While Dr. Pierce did discuss Cosmotheism in other essays or speeches, no other writings of Dr. Pierce should be regarded as definitively representing Cosmotheism.

The Path lays out the fundamental tenets of Cosmotheism and explains our relationship to the Creator.

The first chapter of On Living Things is a synopsis of The Path and it could be regarded as a sort of "catechism" of Cosmotheism. We have presented this section of the scripture here for you to study.



http://www.churchofcosmotheism.org/Scripture.html
On Living Things

I

1:1 From the Path we know these things:

1:2 There is but one Reality, and that Reality is the Whole. It is the Creator, the Self-created. (1:6)

1:3 The material manifestation of the Creator is the tangible Universe, with all its non-living and living things, including man. (2:2)

1:4 The spiritual manifestation of the Creator is the Urge toward the One Purpose. The Urge lies at the root of all things and is manifested in the relations between all things. (2:3)

1:5 The One Purpose is the Self-Realization of the Creator: the Self-completion of the Self-created. (2:5)

1:6 Man's purpose is the Creator's Purpose. He is, in part, both the substance and the means of the Creator, and he is nothing else; this is his entire being and purpose. (3:1)

1:7 Man serves the Creator's Purpose in two ways: unconsciously and consciously. In both ways he follows the Path of Life, which is the Creator's evolutionary Path toward Self-Completion. He passes from step to step on the Path, from sub-man to man to higher man, and beyond. (3:2, 4:1-2)

1:8 In the unconscious way the passing is blind, an its driving force is instinct, which is a manifestation of the immanent consciousness of the Whole in man. (3:2)

1:9 And in the conscious way the passing is guided by man's awareness of his true identity and his true mission; this awareness illuminates the Path before him and allows him to choose his steps. (5:3)

Hrafn
Monday, June 5th, 2006, 09:21 PM
Greetings comrades.

I have yet to learn a lot about Cosmotheism, but after a little bit of study following question came to my mind: There seem to be quite a few paralells between Cosmotheism and Paganism, so I wondered if they are compatible?

CountBloodSpawn
Monday, June 5th, 2006, 10:14 PM
indeed Cosmotheism is very compatiable with most varieties of Paganism, as a matter of fact alot of the spiritual concepts of Cosmotheism were indeed borrowed from Classical Hellenic Paganism

Aupmanyav
Saturday, September 9th, 2006, 02:25 PM
So what is new? This is a five thousand year old theory/truth in Vedas which said, 'Sarva Khalvidam Brahma' (all creation is 'Brahman'), 'Aham Brahmasmi' (I am 'Brahman'), 'Tat Twam Asi' (That is what you are), 'So'ham' (I, too, am that). There is much more in Hinduism. Why go for borrowed ideas?

Aupmanyav
Saturday, September 9th, 2006, 02:28 PM
INDEED, as well as it should, as the Ancient ARYAN VEDIC conception actually is inherently SPIRITUALLY and MORALLY COSMOTHEISTIC.If that is so, then I better stay with the original. I doubt if you people have understood all that it has to say.

Cosmotheist
Monday, September 11th, 2006, 04:33 PM
There is much more in Hinduism.

http://thedude.com/images/monks2_enhanced.jpg

Yes, we know.

"Rats Rule at Hindu Temple"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vrn7S_rjgrw

http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2004/06/0628_040628_tvrats.html

Cosmotheist
Monday, September 11th, 2006, 04:37 PM
If that is so, then I better stay with the original. I'm glad to hear that.

Aupmanyav
Tuesday, September 12th, 2006, 04:59 PM
HaHa, they don't pretend to be humans like some do. :)

Hindus consider all things animate or non-animate to be made up of the same universal substrate, Brahman. Don't you have similar carbon and oxygen atoms as a rat has. Why then this aversion to rats? Science tells us that there is nothing solid in an atom, it is only a field, a force. The force that is in you or me is in rats also. In Hinduism, to see difference is considered not seeing. Hope you will understand, after all you are a cosmotheist.

Cosmotheist
Friday, September 15th, 2006, 01:30 AM
Why then this aversion to rats?
Because rats are filthy and carry disease. I would question the intelligence of anyone who didn't have an aversion to rats. That is, wild rats.

To consider rats to be something sacred is complete foolishness.

Some have taught falsely that all things, being of the Whole, are sacred and inviolable. They mean: sacred in the eyes of men; inviolable by men. They may be of good will, in wanting to restrain men from thoughtless destruction, in wanting to protect beautiful and noble living things, in wanting to preserve the harmony of the Universe. But their understanding is limited, and their teaching is contrary to the purpose of the Creator's Purpose.

For man is not a spectator, but a participant; not a being apart, but a part of all Being. And every living part of the Whole lives only by violating other parts; every animal must take unto itself other living things and must cast away its wastes.

It is only the Whole, which is inviolable, only the One Purpose that is sacred. The parts of the Whole come and go; they are subject to the eternal process of Creation, which annihilates some, preserves some, and transforms some.
-- On Living Things 3:1-3

Aupmanyav
Friday, September 15th, 2006, 07:12 PM
Do you know how many diseases a human carries? A researcher said it is dangerous for a pet to be in company of humans. Animals are many a times cleaner than humans. Hindus respect other people's belief.

euroamerican
Monday, November 27th, 2006, 04:22 AM
Well, it sure looks like the Hindu religion has fallen from its high position. Hinuism today is but the faint echo of its glorious past.

And speaking of rats; a 'thing', a 'creature' is what it is. Its being places it in a specific natural relationship to its environment. The natural relationship of humans and rats is antagonistic. Rats carry diseases that are harmful to humans. No amount of grandiose metaphysical specualtion will change that one whit.

Discernment is a vital function of consciousness. 'All is One' may be the ultimate truth, but that doesn't mean that the lion will lie down with the lamb, except for dinner.....

fog
Monday, November 27th, 2006, 04:48 AM
Cosomotheism is a joke.

It was clearly "created" by Pierce to justify the beliefs which he already held. Furthermore, his arguments are not even convincing to those who agree with the beliefs which he wished to justify.

True philosophy searches to derive truth and understanding from fundamental principles, with no desired final result.

This writing reminds me of the garbage a jehovah's witness recently left at my door. Pierce's predecessors provided more convincing arguments, in a more philosophically honest manner.

euroamerican
Monday, November 27th, 2006, 05:07 AM
What if the Ultimate God-Force is so profound as to be incomprehensible to humans? To make it more comprehensible it may be divided into a basic quaternity: Father, Mother, Son and Daughter; All-Vater, Ur-Mutter, Sun God and Earth Goddess. These were given various names by different tribes in ancient times; Wotan, Zeus, Tyr, Freya, Venus, Diana, etc etc
Now we live in a very different world. Maybe we can approach the ancient gods better by revisioning the fundamental quaternity. Maybe a revisioning of the pagan pantheons can help us modern peoople reconnect with our ancestral core.

Aupmanyav
Thursday, November 30th, 2006, 12:46 PM
I am not a rat-lover, but since you denigrate an animal speci, it shows either you have a phobia or you are insensitive to nature. I might remind you that rodents are earliest form of mammals and humans also are derived from them. Rats/Mice do have their destructive tendencies, but they are very useful in biological research (http://web.mit.edu/mcgovern/html/News_and_Publications/2004_human_brain.shtml "Clues to the human brain lie in whiskers of rats"). Most medicines are tested on rats before they are tested on other animals and before they are used by humans. They are food to many other species. If you exterminate rats, you might exterminate some other species also. This would start a chain reaction and could have very serious effects on the environment. Rats can provide chemicals which can be useful to humans (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=PubMed&list_uids=10403419&dopt=Abstract "Usefulness of rat-derived antigen in the serodiagnosis of Pneumocystis carinii infection.")

Each natural speci, whether animal or vegetation, is part of life on this earth, it may be good to value them. Hinduism has honored rats as the vehicle of its elephant headed God, Ganesha, the Lord of Auspecious Occasions. Do not worry about Hinduism, it is doing all right for itself.

Do Asatru have no respect for nature?

Cosmotheist
Tuesday, January 16th, 2007, 03:37 PM
Dr. William Pierce on Cosmotheism
http://www.CosmotheismToday.com/Pierce1.html (http://www.cosmotheismtoday.com/Pierce1.html)

Listen (http://www.cosmotheismtoday.com/audio/Cosmotheism-AnIdeaWho%27sTimeHasCome.mp3)


Cosmotheism is an idea who's time has come. I've told you before in earlier meetings that we can find partial expressions of Cosmotheism among the writings of the ancients twenty-five centuries ago. A great many of the Greek and Roman philosophers understood parts of our truth. The same was true of the pagan philosophers of northern Europe and also of certain outstanding Christian thinkers of the Middle Ages despite the fundamental contradictions of Cosmotheism with the teachings of the church. Then in the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries there was an enormous outpouring of Cosmotheist feeling. Cosmotheism, or at least one aspect of Cosmotheism, was the underlying idea of the entire romantic movement in art and literature, from Alexander Pope, to Joseph Turner and William Wordsworth. And Cosmotheism is the underlying idea of twentieth century science. Today more and more thinkers, scientific thinkers in particular, are coming to understand that fact and also to give explicit expression to that understanding.

There can be no doubt that our people down through the ages have been groping for the Cosmotheist truth, and today more than ever they are finding it. Tomorrow it will be the dominant idea in the world.

Needle
Tuesday, February 6th, 2007, 08:55 PM
Cosomotheism is a joke.
What is "Cosomotheism"?


It was clearly "created" by Pierce to justify the beliefs which he already held. Furthermore, his arguments are not even convincing to those who agree with the beliefs which he wished to justify.
Clearly, "Fog" has no real clue of what he is talking about, as "Cosmotheism" is thousands of years old and is actually "very convincing" to all of those that really do know better. Any "belief" in "Cosmotheism" is a quite rational faith and is a rational religion based upon the Whole Truths of Reality.


True philosophy searches to derive truth and understanding
from fundamental principles, with no desired final result.
Cosmotheism is based upon true fundamental principles that results in a greater understanding of the Whole of the Cosmos, and our actual place and role within it all, as a evolutionary process ever towards a Personal God. It is a true philosophy that seeks our understanding of the Whole of the Cosmos and projected self-realization.


This writing reminds me of the garbage a jehovah's witness recently left at my door. Pierce's predecessors provided more convincing arguments, in a more philosophically honest manner.
Not quite. LOL! :D

Cosmotheists are students of the REALITY of the Whole, and also of our true places and role and duties within it.

Your name "Fog" is most apt,
and what you most need is a
lighthouse or a enlightenment
to help you to find your way
back on and towards the true
PATH of LIFE, as do ALL LIVING
THINGS, and as must OUR own
SOCIETY, as in OUR CAUSE or
not. To be or not to be is all
within your own hands/choice
or FREE WILL.

If you do want to discover these Whole Cosmotheist Truths of Reality then do please go study:

http://www.cosmotheism.net

and also all in the "Readings" sections found there, therein.








Do you know how many diseases a human carries?
Indeed, most especially, the sudra humans in India.


A researcher said it is dangerous for a pet to be in
company of humans.
Indeed, most especially, for any pet in the company of human sudras.


Animals are many a times cleaner than humans.
Indeed, most especially, compared to human sudras in India.


Hindus respect other people's belief.
If they actually did, there would have been no need for Pakistan, for Muslims, and no violence over Jammu and Kashmir, etc., now would there?

It is clear that the original and ancient Aryan Cosmotheism of the past has been just as corrupted by miscegenation with sudras as has been the original ancient Aryan race of India which is no more.

What else isn't new?


PS--Yes, all true Cosmotheists do respect and admire all living beings, but, all are NOT EQUAL in QUALITY relative to each other in the PATH of LIFE ever upwards towards a Personal Godhood at the Omega Point of Tielhard de Chardin. The higher the consciousness the higher is the living being, and the same principle applies to all races, species, beings:

Sudra (Low caste hindu) in Hinduism

The Sudra has a precarious position in Hindu community. According to Manu Smrithi, a Brahman is forbidden to give advice or even food to a Sudra, for the ghi (clarified butter) having been offered to the gods, must not be eaten by him. Further, the Brahman must not give 'spiritual counsel to him,' nor inform him of the legal expiation of his sin. He who declares the law to a servile man, and he who instructs him in the mode of expiating sin, sinks with that very man into hell.

A Brahman should never be the guru of a Sudra. 'While the first part of a Brahman's name should indicate holiness that of a Kshatriya's power and that of a Vashya's wealth, that of a Sudra 's should indicate contempt. The Veda is never to be read in the presence of a Sudra, and for him no sacrifice is to be performed. He has no business with solemn rites [ 1 ].

A Sudra has no right even to listen to the Veda. Recitation of or listening to this sacred book is exclusively a privilege of the Aryan Hindus. There is provision of severe punishment for a Sudra, in case he dares to enjoy this privilege. If he "overheard a recitation of the Vedas, molten lac or tin was to be poured into his mouth; if he repeated recitation of the Vedas, his tongue should be cut; and if he remembered Vedic hymns, his body was to be torn into pieces."[ 2 ]

A Sudra is debarred from marrying a woman of the higher castes; if he does, their offspring will sink into a class even lower than his own. He must not participate in carrying the corpse of a Brahman. He is allowed to carry his dead only through the southern gate of the city where he may live. The murder of a Sudra by a Brahman is equal only to killing a cat or a frog or a cow [3].

In fact, the Sudras who have only deprivations and sufferings in their lots, are not Hindus. As Wilkins suggests, "the Sudras were not originally part of the Hindu system, but were engrafted into it..."[ 4 ] Still worse than the Sudras are the Dalits (also called Untouchables) who fall outside the caste system and are therefore the worst in the social hierarchy.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

References

[1] Wilkins, Modern Hinduism, London, 1975, pp. 247-48.

[2] Swami Dharma Theertha, History of Hindu Imperialism, Madras, 1992, p. 42.

[3] Wilkins, 1975, p.248.

[4] Ibid., p. 255.





Best regards,
Needle

http://www.cosmotheism.net

Aupmanyav
Wednesday, February 7th, 2007, 07:57 AM
Today's news: Leave out Shudras, even white skin harbors 182 kinds of organism. Some are essential for life. (Dr. Martin Blaser, New York University School of Medicine).

Needle, I do not mind your use of word shudra, some of our greatest sages, writers of scriptures, and laurates were shudras. But when you use it, it should be in context. Dont just fling the word around.

The hair of a pet can produce allergies. In the same way pets could be allergic to human hair etc. or the household environment, now that we are using a lot of plastics and urethane. I do not understand your use of shudra in this regard.

Shudras in India enerally take their bath everyday and do not douse themselves with many chemicals, but animals preen themselves constantly, and consequently may be cleaner.

Yes, if muslims in Pakistan or Kashmir were as respectful of other religions or regions, there would not have been any Pakistan. Why are Pakistanis at war with themselves all the time, whether it is Bangladesh, Pukhtoonistan, Sindh, Baluchistan, Northern Areas, Shias, Ahmadiyas, Hindus, or Christians, and now the tribals in North West? Pakistan is the core of terrorism. That has been proved again and again. Now you have the letter bombs in London.

India is the only place in the world where Aryan thought survives and flourishes, and not in Europe. Indian Aryanism does not believe in higher or lower, whether in humans or in animals.

About Shudras in India, yes, they were and are in a precarius situation. There have been many interpolations in Indian scriptures. It can be seen very clearly by their denigration of Shudras at one place and emphasis on equality of all at other places in the same book. Indian scholarship remained in dark ages for a very long time.

A brahmin never being the guru of a shudra is a fallacy, how otherwise VedaVyas who was a shudra compiled the Vedas; as also the Brahma Sutras and Bhagawat Purana. How Valmiki who was a shudra wrote his Ramayana? How Jabali who was the son of a prostitute was given the status of a sage (his guru asked Jabali about his father. Jabali said his mother consorted with many men, so she does not know whose son he was. The guru was pleased with his truthful answer, agreed to teach him, and named him as Satyakam Jabali (the truthful son of Jabala, after his mother whose name was Jabala)? How was Vidur who also was a shudra, considered one of the wisest men of his time? Why did Rama embraced the Nishad king and why did he eat from the hands of a tribal woman? Why do hindus consider Ravi Das and Kabir as great saints? I could go on giving such examples but I suppose they are enough to illustrate the point.

The classical explanation of a shudra is one who gets excited by minor things. Such a person is not suitable for study of scriptures. Aryans wanted to impart the knowledge of Vedas to candidates suitable for study. Is that not done in admissions to colleges and universities today?

Intercaste marriages are not favoured in India. Even brahmins of different castes (bengali, kashmiri, maharashtrian, tamil, etc.) would not marry amongst each other, though they may belong to the same status. This is a voluntary thing and the choice of a group of people, just as Italians may not want to marry among the Russians. This preserves the group's particular traditions, culture, language, etc. Even in the different castes of shudras, intercaste marriages do not take place. We do not see anything wrong in this.

Whatever Wilkins says, shudras are important in India today. They are the king makers today because of their vote. They have been president of the Constituent Assembly of India, presidents of India, currently the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court, many central cabinet minister, many state chief ministers, and countless members of parliaments, members of the legislative assemblies in the states, and members of local governing bodies. Actually number of seats according to their ratio in population is reserved for them, in addition they are eligible to contest everywhere as general candidates. This has been the situation in India for the last 60 years since its independence. Similar reservations are available to them in each and every walk of life, whether nutrition in childhood; admissions to schools, colleges, and universities; jobs in government institutions and soon in private sector also; in housing (no builder can build houses without providing space for weaker section of the society); in financing from banks. The aggressive affirmative program available in India to shudras and weaker sections of the society is equalled nowhere in the world.

Airmanareiks
Wednesday, February 7th, 2007, 09:24 PM
A brahmin never being the guru of a shudra is a fallacy, how otherwise VedaVyas who was a shudra compiled the Vedas; as also the Brahma Sutras and Bhagawat Purana. .

A dark person is never allowed to be a Brahmin. You just confirmed how worthless 99.5 % of Hinduism being that much reflects the race soul/thought of primordial man. You can see this in all of its love of monkeys (ramayana) and other beasts. It is just like old Egyptian religion with beastiality and degeneracy.

Siegfried
Wednesday, February 7th, 2007, 09:30 PM
Cosmotheism contains a lot of truth, but it's highly inchoate. In my opinion, it hardly qualifies as a religion. Just look at cosmotheist websites; they're typically politicized collections of eugenics/transhumanist articles rather than philosophical or spiritual writings. Those who are serious about a cosmotheist religion, would do well to study the many works of pantheist and idealist philosophers instead of limiting themselves to the tracts of William Pierce.

Aupmanyav
Thursday, February 8th, 2007, 06:43 AM
Not to value the belief of others is common place in christianity and islam. We should not belittle our ancestors.

I do not know if Valmiki was dark, VedaVyas and Vidur are reported to be. Valmiki and VedaVyas are termed as Brahmarshis (Brahma+Rishi), people who knew Brahman, a status much higher than that of brahmins, actually the highest in Hinduism. A status that Vishwamitra, a kshatriya, was not able to reach.

Needle
Thursday, February 8th, 2007, 09:00 PM
Re: Cosmotheism: The Path


Aupmanyav wrote:



Today's news: Leave out Shudras, even white skin harbors 182 kinds of organism. Some are essential for life. (Dr. Martin Blaser, New York University School of Medicine).

Needle writes:

I do leave out “Shudras”, and also, all those non-Aryans or non-Whites,
that are not of my Folk or of my People or of my Stock, or Cosmotheists.

Aupmanyav wrote:


Needle, I do not mind your use of word shudra, some of our greatest sages, writers of scriptures, and laurates were shudras. But when you use it, it should be in context. Dont just fling the word around.


Needle writes:

I don’t care if you mind my use of any word, and the original Aryans
and nor do I, consider any “scriptures” or “sages” or “laureates” by
any “Shudras” or non-Whites or non-Aryans to be “relevant”, at all,
as any true “Cosmotheism” was never meant for any “shudras” nor
for any non-Whites or for any non-Aryans, whatsoever.
Obviously, only you are the one that’s actually “flinging the word around”
and also, “out-of-context”.

Aupmanyav wrote:


The hair of a pet can produce allergies. In the same way pets could be
allergic to human hair etc. or the household environment, now that we
are using a lot of plastics and urethane. I do not understand your use
of shudra in this regard.

Needle writes:

Indeed. :D

Obviously, you didn’t understand my use of “Sudra/Shudra” and/nor
even the fact that the original Aryans or Whites had only considered
them to be most “uncleanly”.





Aupmanyav wrote:


Shudras in India enerally take their bath everyday and
do not douse themselves with many chemicals, but
animals preen themselves constantly, and consequently
may be cleaner.




Needle writes:

No argument there. LOL! :D

Aupmanyav wrote:


Yes, if muslims in Pakistan or Kashmir were as respectful
of other religions or regions, there would not have been
any Pakistan.


Needle writes:

No, for did you ever consider the possibility that the Hindus,
themselves, were the ones that were not respectful of their
muslim neighbors nor of any others own non-Hindu religion,
and were “intolerant” and just like the Zionist Israeli Jews?

Aupmanyav wrote:

Why are Pakistanis at war with themselves
all the time, whether it is Bangladesh, Pukhtoonistan,
Sindh, Baluchistan, Northern Areas, Shias, Ahmadiyas,
Hindus, or Christians, and now the tribals in North West?

Needle writes:

Maybe because most fundamentalist religions are intolerant,
and even whether Jewish, Christian, or Muslim or Hindu, etc.?

Aupmanyav wrote:

Pakistan is the core of terrorism. That has been proved
again and again. Now you have the letter bombs in London.


Needle writes:

No, the core of most “terrorism” is the “injustice” of a majority,
over a minority, or of the powerful over the powerless or over
the less powerful. The letter bombs in London by Muslims would
NEVER had happened if only the British had been intelligent and
racialist enough to have never let them into White Britain at all,
nor if the Government of the UK hadn’t adopted the pro-Zionist
Foreign Policy of the Neo-Cons of the USA and their Proxy Wars
for Israel.


Aupmanyav wrote:


India is the only place in the world where Aryan thought survives and flourishes, and not in Europe.

Needle writes:

I completely disagree.


Aupmanyav wrote:

Indian Aryanism does not believe in higher or lower,
whether in humans or in animals.

Needle writes:

“Indian” as in “Sudra” or “Shudra” Aryanism, perhaps,
but, not in any actual Aryan or White Cosmotheism of
either the ancient Aryans or of any actual and Modern
White Aryan Cosmotheists.


Aupmanyav wrote:

About Shudras in India, yes, they were and are in a precarius situation.
There have been many interpolations in Indian scriptures. It can be seen
very clearly by their denigration of Shudras at one place and emphasis on
equality of all at other places in the same book. Indian scholarship remained
in dark ages for a very long time.

Needle writes:

Miscegenation of the ancient Aryans with the non-Whites
or Dravidians over the ages only had destroyed both the
original Aryan race in India but also their own original
Aryanism and by and with the more primitive and false
or with any and all such corrupted ideas/ideals as in to:
“…not believe in higher or lower, whether in humans
or in animals”, for example, which is obvious that the
original Aryans had rejected outright as being nonsense.


Aupmanyav wrote:

A brahmin never being the guru of a shudra is a fallacy, how otherwise VedaVyas who was a shudra compiled the Vedas; as also the Brahma Sutras and Bhagawat Purana.

Needle writes:

The issue wasn’t if a Brahmin was ever the guru of any Shudra,
but, only that a “Aryan Brahmin shouldn’t ever have been” if he
had been true to the original ancient Vedas and to true Aryanism,
and which always considered ever doing so a “sin” against Aryanism.

Your actual fallacy is that you only had missed the real point entirely.

Aupmanyav wrote:

How Valmiki who was a shudra wrote his Ramayana?
How Jabali who was the son of a prostitute was given
the status of a sage (his guru asked Jabali about his father.
Jabali said his mother consorted with many men, so she does
not know whose son he was. The guru was pleased with his
truthful answer, agreed to teach him, and named him as
Satyakam Jabali (the truthful son of Jabala, after his mother
whose name was Jabala)?

How was Vidur who also was a shudra, considered one of the
wisest men of his time? Why did Rama embraced the Nishad
king and why did he eat from the hands of a tribal woman?

Why do hindus consider Ravi Das and Kabir as great saints?
I could go on giving such examples but I suppose they are
enough to illustrate the point.

Needle writes:

Your point and examples are irrelevant red-herrings.

Again, the issue wasn’t if a Brahmin was ever the guru of any Shudra,
but, only that a “Aryan Brahmin shouldn’t ever have been” and if he
had been true to the original ancient Vedas and to true Aryanism,
and which always considered ever doing so a “sin” against Aryanism.

Your actual fallacy is that you only had missed the real point entirely.

Miscegenation destroyed both the original ancient Aryans and their
own Aryanism, thereby, by all such “corruptions” of true Aryanism,
by these other non-Aryans, along with the corruption of their blood.

Aupmanyav wrote:

The classical explanation of a shudra is one who gets excited by minor things.
Such a person is not suitable for study of scriptures. Aryans wanted to impart
the knowledge of Vedas to candidates suitable for study. Is that not done in admissions to colleges and universities today?

Needle writes:

Not quite! LOL! :D

The actual definition of a “sudra/shudra” is a non-White member of the
lowest slave caste or of the lowest color or varna or race in the ancient Aryan society.

The only candidates “suitable” for study and knowledge of the Vedas were
ONLY the Aryan Brahmins, or Whites, and NOT for any non-Whites nor for
any “shudras”.

Like admissions to colleges and universities invented by Whites for Whites only, this “ruling” was only and recently changed by radical Marxist racial Egalitarians just during the 1960’s as part of a Jewish Marxist Program to destroy all White or all Aryan societies of the 1950’s via miscegenation by
/with non-Whites or non-Aryans.

Aupmanyav wrote:

Intercaste marriages are not favoured in India. Even brahmins of different
castes (bengali, kashmiri, maharashtrian, tamil, etc.) would not marry
amongst each other, though they may belong to the same status.
This is a voluntary thing and the choice of a group of people,
just as Italians may not want to marry among the Russians.
This preserves the group's particular traditions, culture, language, etc.
Even in the different castes of shudras, intercaste marriages do not take
place. We do not see anything wrong in this.

Needle writes:

Indeed, and this current Caste System was just a failed attempt by the
ancient Aryans to try and preserve their race, but, it didn’t work as it was
“corrupted” over time to only “preserve” class and traditions and NOT the
original Aryan race.

That is why most Modern Aryan or White Cosmotheists are Racial Separatists
as the only effective way to preserve any racial identity is the complete racial separation, geographically, and thus, via all completely separate ethno and/or racial states.

We don’t see anything wrong with this, as all such racial separatism and
over enough time will lead to racial speciation and the end to any future
racial miscegenation, and in fact, making it almost impossible eventually.

Aupmanyav wrote:

Whatever Wilkins says, shudras are important in India today.
They are the king makers today because of their vote.
They have been president of the Constituent Assembly of India,
presidents of India, currently the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court,
many central cabinet minister, many state chief ministers, and countless
members of parliaments, members of the legislative assemblies in the states,
and members of local governing bodies.

Actually number of seats according to their ratio in population is reserved
for them, in addition they are eligible to contest everywhere as general
candidates. This has been the situation in India for the last 60 years since
its independence. Similar reservations are available to them in each and
every walk of life, whether nutrition in childhood; admissions to schools,
colleges, and universities; jobs in government institutions and soon in
private sector also; in housing (no builder can build houses without
providing space for weaker section of the society); in financing from banks.
The aggressive affirmative program available in India to shudras and weaker sections of the society is equalled nowhere in the world.
__________________
"Indra kratum na ā bhara pitā putrebhyo yathā;
Shikshā no asmin puruhūta yāmini jīva jyotirashīmahi."
Carry, O Indra! our sacrifice, helping as a father helps his sons;
Teach us, O you, invoked by many! so that we may, in this turn, reach alive the light.
(RigVeda 7.32.26, Vasishtha's prayer to Indra to overcome the long Arctic night)

Last edited by Aupmanyav : 1 Day Ago at 03:31.

Needle writes:

I agree with you for all of those reasons, and them some,
except for your statement that the:

“ ...aggressive affirmative program available in India
to shudras and weaker sections of the society is
equalled nowhere in the world.”

Actually, the USA and Europe, and actually the formerly all-White
or Aryan West has had far more and aggressive affirmative action
programs than India ever has had for “Sudras/Shudras” and weaker
sections of our society, in fact, so much so that the future racial
identity and existence of the White or the Aryan races within all
of the formerly and almost All-White West is now in serious doubt.

The West’s Whites or Aryans may become miscegenated and lost,
and as had happened to the ancient Aryans of India and as in the
book, “The Camp of the Saints”, if the remaining Aryans or Whites
do not regain their racial souls and adopt true Aryan Cosmotheism,
White racialism, and White Separatism, and in the very near future.

Best regards,
Needle

http://www.cosmotheism.net

Needle
Thursday, February 8th, 2007, 09:20 PM
You wrote:

A dark person is never allowed to be a Brahmin.

Needle writes:

Exactly, and not if one actually reads the actual ancient Aryan
Sanskrit Vedas of which specifically frowns upon having any non-
Whites or non-Aryans or any Shudras or Sudras defile it with their
reading and studying it and their perverting it.

You wrote:

You just confirmed how worthless 99.5 % of Hinduism being that much reflects the race soul/thought of primordial man. You can see this in all
of its love of monkeys (ramayana) and other beasts. It is just like old Egyptian religion with beastiality and degeneracy.

Needle writes:

True enough, but, this is what Hinduism has become, today,
and after all the miscegenation of the original Aryans and the
complete corruption of their own religion/soul/thought thereby.

If you want to see what the original Aryans thought,
read the ancient Vedas.

The crap about monkeys etc.
only reveals the corruption of the original
and via race-mixing and all perversion that comes with it in culture and in religion, etc.

The only good old Egyptian religion was of Akenatons,
the first real impersonal monotheism, or what is maybe
a preview of our own Modern White or Aryan Cosmotheism.

Best regards,
Needle

http://www.cosmotheism.net
__________________

Needle
Thursday, February 8th, 2007, 09:56 PM
S you wrote:

Re: Cosmotheism: The Path

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Cosmotheism contains a lot of truth, but it's highly inchoate.

Needle writes:

On the contrary, it is quite compact and is clear to those that can
and do understand it as a distillation of much thought and reflection.

You wrote:

In my opinion, it hardly qualifies as a religion.

Needle writes:

On the contrary, it is an ancient religion that has been updated with
our modern scientific knowledge and even the USA's IRS recognizes
"Cosmotheism" as qualifying as being a valid and tax exempt religion.

You wrote:


Just look at cosmotheist websites; they're typically politicized collections of eugenics/transhumanist articles rather than philosophical or spiritual writings.

Needle writes:

On the contrary, which cosmotheist websites are you talking about here?

Have you actually read all of the actual philosophical or spiritual writings of:
"The Path", "On Living Things", and "On Society" that are found here?:

http://www.cosmotheism.net

Have you read the "Reading" page which has links to not just general interest
and political writings of eugenics and transhumanism but to our racial history
and to both the underlying scientific and philosophical findings and writings of
both the ancients and of our modern times and discoveries and Whole Truths
that do support modern White or Aryan Cosmotheism?

Apparently not.

You wrote:

Those who are serious about a cosmotheist religion,
would do well to study the many works of pantheist
and idealist philosophers instead of limiting themselves
to the tracts of William Pierce.

Needle writes:

I do completely agree with you that anyone serious about Cosmotheism
would do well to study the many works of pantheist and idealist writers
and philosophical authors and compare and contrast them with those of
the tracts of the late Dr. William L. Pierce. If you are honest and do have
actual intellectual honesty and moral courage, when and if you ever do so,
you will then find that the late Dr. William L. Pierce had condensed much of
that "study" into a very cogent and clear and concise distillation of the most
relevant and essential elements of any modern and scientific and true Aryan
Cosmotheism that's worthy of any modern White Aryans and/or of any more
racially-aware Whites.

Thus, the "Library" and "Reading" links and to additonal writings relevant
to any actual and serious study of our modern White Cosmotheism are
all included at this excellent Cosmotheism website here and few others:

http://www.cosmotheism.net


Best regards,
Needle

http://www.cosmotheism.net

Needle
Thursday, February 8th, 2007, 10:09 PM
A,

No "Brahmarshis" is a non-White or a non-Aryan, within any true Aryanism,
and nor within any true Aryan or true White Cosmotheism. To deny this fact,
is to insult not only your Aryan or own White ancestors but the Whole Truths
of Reality and of the Cosmos, itself.

Best regards,
Needle

http://www.cosmotheism.net

PS--As there are almost no true Aryans left in India and that are not
actually just mongrels of ancient and modern miscegenation, so also,
there is not any true Aryanism nor any true White Aryan Cosmotheism,
that's left in India, thereby. That is the result of the sin of ignoring ones
own true Kharma and ones own true Dharma, as did the ancient Aryans.

Needle
Thursday, February 8th, 2007, 11:27 PM
Yes, stay with the original ancient Aryan Cosmotheism,
and of which and like that of the late Dr. Pierce's was
also a Aryan or a White Cosmotheism of and for racial
Aryans or of and for "Whites ONLY", but, updated with
our own current modern science and spiritual knowledge!

Best regards,
Needle

http://www.cosmotheism.net

Aupmanyav
Friday, February 9th, 2007, 06:40 AM
Needle, your posts are long and I will need time to reply to them. But kindly understand one thing. The four-fold division including the Shudras is inherent to Aryan thought. Indians as well as Iranian Aryans have them. Shudras also were Aryans. Did not Shudras derive from the feet of the PURUSHA, as the Brahmins did from the mouth, Kshatriyas from the Chest, and Vaishyas (traders and farmers) from the thighs. I suggest that no Aryan should denigrate fellow Aryans. That is because of being christians for long, European Aryans have forgotten Aryan ways.

Needle
Saturday, February 10th, 2007, 01:48 AM
A wrote:

I suggest that no Aryan should denigrate fellow Aryans.

Needle writes:

Miscegenated Aryans or all non-white mongrels are not
considered "fellow Aryans" by any actual White Aryans.

This is not any denigration, whatsoever,
but is the "end product or sad result" of
ignoring ones own racial Dharma of both
keeping and preserving the Aryan race,
or allowing the miscegenation of it at all.

A wrote:

That is because of being christians for long,
European Aryans have forgotten Aryan ways.

Needle writes:

Agreed, but, any and all true Aryan "ways"
are ONLY for any true and White Aryans,
alone.

Miscegenated Aryans or all non-white mongrels are not
considered "fellow Aryans" by any actual White Aryans.

This is not any denigration, whatsoever,
but is the "end product or sad result" of
ignoring ones own racial Dharma of both
keeping and preserving the Aryan race,
or allowing the miscegenation of it at all.

The true White Aryan Indians are no more.
The European Aryans worldwide must stop
the miscegenation of their race if they are
to avoid the same fate of racial extinction
suffered by the White Aryans of the past.

Best regards,
Needle

http://www.cosmotheism.net

Aupmanyav
Saturday, February 10th, 2007, 04:57 AM
Tell me what DNA is Aryan, and tell me what all types of DNA make the white skin? Most interested.

Needle
Saturday, February 10th, 2007, 06:48 PM
A,

You had asked,
so here you go:

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Ancestral DNA Testing

Resolution of race/ethnicity is becoming feasible only after the discovery of several population informative genetic markers. The distribution of these genetic markers has been associated with geographical regions resulting in the recognition of biogeographical ancestry (BGA) markers and their use as a major genetic component in the dissection of race. Further, the diversity of these genetic markers was complicated by historical migratory events that occurred among world populations. Through series of population interactions, the diversity of these genetic markers increased and formed numerous pools of population admixtures throughout the world. However, few populations were least affected by this diversity and remain relatively homogenous.
Now and through the application of these recent advances in DNA technology it is possible for you to embark on a historical journey to explore your ethnic background.

Comprehensive and customized ancestry testing @ DRL

The following menu can be used to determine your ancestry DNA testing.

1. Ethnicity DNA makeup*

The testing provides a comprehensive overview of your genetic make-up and reveals what much percentage of your DNA is shared with Africans, Europeans, Asians or Native Americans. The test is based on the utilization of a BioGeographical Ancestry (BGA) to establish if you have a relatively pure ancestry or admixture ancestry. If a mixed ancestry is determined, then the question becomes involved with percentage contribution of each race to your ethnicity. This technology is highly developed now and has been used in high-profile criminal investigations and paternity cases.
The testing examines for the presence of 175 SNPs (single nucleotide polymorphisms) in your DNA. These 175 SNP were selected based on their BioGeographical polymorphism patterns known as Ancestry Informative Markers (AIMs). The identified AIMs have shown high specificity for individuals from particular populations, ethnicity and /or geographical regions. The system can be used to resolve ancestry questions involved: a. Native Americans who migrated and inhabited South and Central America B. Europeans who are from European, Middle Eastern and South Asian populations (India, Pakistan and Sri Lanka). C. East Asian including Japanese, Chinese, Mongolian, Koreans, Philippines and South East Pacific Islanders. D. Africans from sub-Saharan regions such as Nigeria.

* The testing is based on Ancestryby DNA 2.5

2. Male ancestry DNA test.
The Y-chromosome DNA test is used to establish family ties through male lineage only because its inheritance is male –specific. The distinctive male patterns are called haplotypes and they are used to differentiate between males of different lineages. Y-chromosome testing is mostly used to establish relatedness particularly for individuals with the same last name to see if they share a common ancestry.

Y-chromosome Haplogroups:
• B, E: Found in Sub-Saharan African Lineages
•E,G,H, I, J and R: Found in lineages from Europe, Middle East and Asia
• C,D,N,O,Q and R: Found in the Asian populations
• P,Q and F: Found in native American lineages

3. Female Ancestry DNA test or/ Haplogroup Analysis.
Mitochondrial DNA is located in the cytoplasm of the cell and is passed on by the mother to both male and female offsprings . Although the male offspring carries the same mtDNA as his mother, but he is incapable to pass on to his children. Therefore, mtDNA is only inherited maternally (female to male and female). There are about 30 major human maternal lineages with many of them as continent- specific (haplogroups). These haplogroups are divided into sub- lineages which are either regional or population specific.

The mt DNA Haplogroups:
• L1, L2 and L3: Found in Sub-Saharan African Lineages
• H, I, J, K,T,U,V,W and X: Found in nearly all lineages from Europe, East African and Western Asian Caucasian
• X is a native American, Asian, and Eurpoean haplogroup
• A, B, C, D, E, F, G and M: Found in the majority of the Asian or Native American lineages

4. European Ancestry DNA test.
This test will be used to break down your European heritage into Northern European, Mediterranean, Middle Eastern and south Asian percentages. The test examines about 320 SNP markers (including the 175 SNP markers used above) to resolve the following European Lineages:

• Northern European
• Southeastern European (Mediterranean)
• Middle Eastern
• South Asian.
The testing is performed only on results revealing greater 50%European Ancestry, less than 15% African Ancestry, less than 40% for East Asian Ancestry and less than 15% Native American Ancestry.

5. Native American ethnicity DNA test
The following three methods will be used to determine the Native American Ancestry an individual may have.

a. Basic ethnicity DNA determination. The test is to determine the genetic percentage of Native American, European, East Asian and African ethnicity a person may have. The test uses 175 SNPs which are referred to as AIMS.
b. mtDNA and maternal iheritance. Most Native Americans belong to one of these haplogroups A, B, C, D and X.
c. Y-chromosome and paternal inheritance. Four Y-markers are known to be highly specific for males of Native American Ancestry. These four Y-markers include DYS199T, M45, RPS4Y711 and M242

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Best regards,
Needle

http://www.cosmotheism.net

Needle
Saturday, February 10th, 2007, 07:36 PM
A asked,

"...and tell me what all types of DNA make the white skin?
Most interested."

Needle writes:

The lack of the production of melanin,
a skin pigmentation, makes skin white.

However, and as the images of "Black" albinos
that can be found by a Google or Yahoo Image
search clearly show, "race" is NOT DETERMINED
by "skin color" alone and it is clear that "Black"
albino are NOT ARYANS and are not racially at
all actually "White Aryans" regardless of their
actual "white" skin pigmentation.

http://images.search.yahoo.com/search/images?ei=UTF-8&fr=slv8-grpj&p=Black%20Albinos&fr2=tab-web

Race does matter, and it is far more important than
being "just skin" deep.

Best regards,
Needle

http://www.cosmotheism.net

Airmanareiks
Saturday, February 10th, 2007, 09:46 PM
Genetic differentation is physical thus mental thus spiritual. Its based on different genus of morphology, structure of the brain, skin. Only slight differentations equates to a very different way of looking at the world, a very different spirit which is manifested in a culture.

Why is it that certain races like certain music?
Aryans like Metal
Primates like Rap/Jazz


It has to due with the structure of DNA which is the structure of the spirit as mind/body/spirit is unified.

It is very easy for an aryan to tell what is aryan and what is foreign when reading religious texts because you can tell the aryan spirit from a none aryan spirit and aryans are Nordic/white. Each race thinks differently and has difference tastes showing itself in different cultures. Thus, while Jesusism is Jewish, when aryans adopted it they aryanised much of it to their liking thus Christianity was made from aryan thought/culture. The superiority of the religion was made by aryan thought/culture.

Needle
Sunday, February 11th, 2007, 05:43 PM
It is time that we organized our Folk to take our
respective nations back from the dispossessors:

http://www.nationalvanguard.org/printer.php?id=11609

How much more will we have to take before will
finally do ALL ACT and REACT as noble All-White
Aryans and NOT as cowardly Non-White slaves?

Best regards,
Needle

http://www.cosmotheism.net

Cosmotheist
Wednesday, February 28th, 2007, 04:19 PM
The Nature of Cosmotheism
by Dr. William Pierce

http://www.CosmotheismToday.com/Pierce3.html (http://www.CosmotheismToday.com/Pierce3.html)

Listen (http://cosmotheismtoday.com/audio/TheNatureofCosmotheism.mp3)

This selection from Cosmotheism - Wave of the Future examines the difference between Cosmotheism and the "revealed" religions. Dr. Pierce explains that the truth of Cosmotheism is arrived at through the union of universal consciousness with man's reason.


Now let's remind ourselves for a moment of the nature of Cosmotheism.

It's truth, it's understanding which is arrived at in a particular way. And that way is through the synthesis of subjective and objective knowledge, or to use the same words that are used in our pamphlet here (http://cosmotheismtoday.com/Scripture.html), it's the perfect union of the Creator's immanent conscious in man with man's reason. Our truth comes to us through a blending of the universal consciousness in our race-soul, in our genes, with our reason.

Thus our way of arriving at truth is fundamentally different from the way of most major religions, which depend in a very basic way on revelation, whether through oracles, or prophets or what have you. It's also different from the purely mystical or purely subjective religions of the East which are a fad among so many lost souls in the West today. Just as it is different from the pure rationalism which used to be the undisputed philosophy of science until recently.
Read more here. (http://www.CosmotheismToday.com/Pierce3.html)