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Oswiu
Saturday, December 16th, 2006, 06:06 PM
Hmm, when I think about it, I see a lot of clock-wise (like the nationalsocialist one) swastikas
Isn't that a myth? Surely the Turning Cross can go any direction. Even the NS one is anticlockwise from inside the flag. ;)

Pervitinist
Saturday, December 16th, 2006, 07:45 PM
Isn't that a myth? Surely the Turning Cross can go any direction. Even the NS one is anticlockwise from inside the flag. ;)

No, it's not really a myth, but in fact both Swastikas (Hindu + NS) face in the same direction. When I was in India, I had endless discussions with Hindus about the NS and the Hindu Swastika. They always pretended that the Hindu Swastika faced in the opposite direction. But this is simply sheer nonsense.

Hindu Swastika:
http://www.babadbali.com/image/bullet/swastika150.gifhttp://www.sfgate.com/n/pictures/2006/04/03/symbol7.jpghttp://www.reclaimtheswastika.com/images/hindu-temple_s.jpg

NS Swastika:
http://www.museumofworldwarii.com/Images2005/02DeutschlandErwachelge.gif

The old Germanics on the other hand, like the Buddhists, don't seem to have cared much about the direction of the Swastika:

Germanic Swastika:
http://perso.orange.fr/archeometrie/images/fe7.jpg

Buddhist Swastika (China):
http://www.orientalarchitecture.com/nanjing/jimingsi14.jpg

Collection of prehistoric Swastikas:
http://perso.orange.fr/archeometrie/images/fd1.jpg

What I don't know however is, whether Hindus see the tilted Swastika (like in the official NS flag) as a sign of bad luck or something:
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40732000/jpg/_40732471_swastika_203.jpg
Perhaps one of the Hindus here knows the significance of this? For Hitler it was only a matter of aesthetics insofar as the tilted version looks more dynamic than the non-tilted one.

And another question: In what direction does the "standard" Swastika "turn"? clockwise or counterclockwise? (And isn't that up to one's imagination anyway?) :bconfused

PS @Drömmarnas... Sorry for going off topic once again, but your Negro Diaries are just so inspiring. Definitely one of my favourite threads on Skadi! :thumbup

The Horned God
Saturday, December 16th, 2006, 09:44 PM
http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/media/images/40732000/jpg/_40732471_swastika_203.jpg

And another question: In what direction does the "standard" Swastika "turn"? clockwise or counterclockwise? (And isn't that up to one's imagination anyway?) :bconfused


No expert on the Swastika am I, but as it represents the "Sun Wheel" I would imagine if considered objectively it should turn anti-clockwise i.e East to West as a wheel rolling across the sky from east to west.

Having said that, if considered subjectively, it could also depend on whether one was viewing the sun from the northern latitudes or from the southern... from the northern hemisphere a clockwise rotation might be more correct, as, looking towards the south the sun appears to move accross the sky from left to right, i.e clockwise.

Not much of an answer for you I'm afraid.. sorry.

Oswiu
Sunday, December 17th, 2006, 12:08 AM
No, it's not really a myth, but in fact both Swastikas (Hindu + NS) face in the same direction. When I was in India, I had endless discussions with Hindus about the NS and the Hindu Swastika. They always pretended that the Hindu Swastika faced in the opposite direction. But this is simply sheer nonsense.
You have to congratulate the propagandists who dreamt this up. I've even heard it in history lessons at school! :doh

http://www.sfgate.com/n/pictures/2006/04/03/symbol7.jpg
Can nobody save this poor child from such a Hate Crime?!? :-O

The old Germanics on the other hand, like the Buddhists, don't seem to have cared much about the direction of the Swastika:
The Celts, Italics and Hellenes too.

What I don't know however is, whether Hindus see the tilted Swastika (like in the official NS flag) as a sign of bad luck or something:
Perhaps one of the Hindus here knows the significance of this? For Hitler it was only a matter of aesthetics insofar as the tilted version looks more dynamic than the non-tilted one.
Interesting question. I agree with Hitler.
Those Hindus have been sat on their bums in the tropics too long, and have invented all sorts of nonsense... ;)

And another question: In what direction does the "standard" Swastika "turn"? clockwise or counterclockwise? (And isn't that up to one's imagination anyway?) :bconfused
I like to imagine the Hooks turning as though they cut into something, not as mere flags that drag behind the spokes.

PS @Drömmarnas... Sorry for going off topic once again, but your Negro Diaries are just so inspiring. Definitely one of my favourite threads on Skadi! :thumbup
:D I'll separate a few things from it in a sec!

No expert on the Swastika am I, but as it represents the "Sun Wheel" I would imagine if considered objectively it should turn anti-clockwise i.e East to West as a wheel rolling across the sky from east to west.
:thumbup

SuuT
Sunday, December 17th, 2006, 02:46 PM
Think in terms of cyclical time, ellipses, orbits, centres of gravity, weight, and rotational axis:


Ellipses:



http://near.jhuapl.edu/Education/lessonEllipses/perihelion.gif


http://t1.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=957794560508&id=dda4a9e7310f08f563968b0c9ad045c5





Orbits:



http://t1.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=904012047126&id=5fec8f7f9ce7c20294747520b90573ec http://t1.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=904012050261&id=14bcc2b1f600b834dca9194486b81425




Where one places the Sun Wisp, determines a prograde or retrograde motion.


Science and Mathematics actually serves as the (agnate) metaphor, in this example.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Monday, December 18th, 2006, 05:33 AM
A swastika is an abbreviated Black Sun symbol. Look at Pervitin's post with of swastikas and his signature with the Black Sun. Both are vortices. If you look down upon a vortex, it appears to spin in one way but if you were looking upward a the same vortex, (such as a tornado), it would appear to spin in the other way. The nazis tilted the swastika in a further effort to highlight its spinning nature.

SuuT
Monday, December 18th, 2006, 11:05 PM
Think in terms of cyclical time, ellipses, orbits, centres of gravity, weight, and rotational axis:


Ellipses:



http://near.jhuapl.edu/Education/lessonEllipses/perihelion.gif


http://t1.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=957794560508&id=dda4a9e7310f08f563968b0c9ad045c5





Orbits:



http://t1.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=904012047126&id=5fec8f7f9ce7c20294747520b90573ec http://t1.images.live.com/images/thumbnail.aspx?q=904012050261&id=14bcc2b1f600b834dca9194486b81425




Where one places the Sun Wisp, determines a prograde or retrograde motion.



Science and Mathematics actually serves as the (agnate) metaphor, in this example.


The Hakenkreuz spectrum of meaning is centered around power, energy, and migration. It is closely associated with http://www.symbols.com/pics/small/13/1302.gif (http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/13/132.html) and http://www.symbols.com/pics/small/14/1413.gif (http://www.symbols.com/encyclopedia/14/1420.html), thus with tribal migrations.

From the Sanskrit swastika: "conducive to well-being." In India, a distinction is made between the right-hand swastika which moves in a clockwise direction and the left-hand swastika (more correctly called sauswatika/sauwistika), which moves in a counterclockwise direction. The right hand swastika is a solar symbol and imitates in the rotation of its arms the course of the Sun, which in the Northern hemisphere appears to pass from east then south to west.

Aupmanyav
Sunday, March 11th, 2007, 06:14 PM
What I don't know however is, whether Hindus see the tilted Swastika (like in the official NS flag) as a sign of bad luck or something:

Perhaps one of the Hindus here knows the significance of this?Pervitinist, Hindu Swastika is always clockwise, though some people unwittingly may use the anticlockwise direction (others would notice it with disgust). However, Hindus have no problem with a angled Swastika.


Can nobody save this poor child from such a Hate Crime?!? :-O What hate crime are you talking about. Swastika is for welfare of the whole world. That is why we say 'Shanti' three times at the end of prayers (Peace to you, Peace to me, and Peace to the whole world).

Dr. Solar Wolff
Tuesday, March 13th, 2007, 06:36 AM
The swastika is a sun sign. But it is a Black Sun sign, just an abbreviated one. Its "spin" represents a vortex. In fact, this is a double, Schaubergian vortex. It is like two tornados, one on top of the other, joining at their narrowest points. The spinning motion increases until the narrowest point at the bottom is reached. At this point, it joins with the other "tornado", spinning in the other direction. Where these two tornados meet--for one instant--motion stops. The angular momentum is released which is an energy release. Then motion is resumed in the opposite direction but it is now expanding rather than contraction (implosion/centripital to explosion/centrifugal) force.

The point is if you look down from the top, it spins one way and if you look up from the bottom, it spins another way but both are part of the same process--implosion/explosion, centripital/centrifugal, growth/decay, life/death, energy accumulation/energy dissapation---however you want to view this. A black hole works exactly the same way but using all the processes of Physics/Chemistry/(mechanics) at the exact same instant and using known and unknown forces. This is the meaning of the swastika's spin.

The Nazis knew all this and so the direction on Hitler's swastika is an effort to represent the implosive/centripital/gathering/growth/life side of this duality.

Sigurd
Tuesday, March 13th, 2007, 09:01 AM
First off, it’s a purely spiritual post, and the way I have realised it by personal experience, discussion and intuition. It is well known that I keep politics and religion strictly separate, but some idiots will still assume this was not the case, so I decided that a little reminder couldn’t hurt, especially when it deals with a sign used both politically and religiously in the past. Anyway, let’s get down to the point.

What does the Swastika represent to me personally? Well, in some sense it represents time and its progression to me. Oh, and a lot of numerology involved in it too :D

I think it is great that Suut brought up the point of time, more specifically cyclical time. Which is exactly what the swastika, amongst other things, represents.

However he is somewhat incorrect. Time is not linear, not cyclical, but probably helical:

-On one hand, you have the recurrence of seasons and other patterns of life - that circle of birth-life-death-rebirth, that can be found within all ideas...well depending on whether you believe in reincarnation: Taking the idea from nature as we observe it, and applying it to ourselves, it is however a FACT, one way or another.

-On the other hand, you have a steady progression of past-present-future. Think of a story. Stories are purely linear, and what has been done in the past may be important in the present and will ultimately have a bearing on the future. Look at your genealogy tree: it is linear. History: it is linear, etc. etc.

So you consider these both, and you have the seasons of a year. They recur again and again, but it will always be a different cycle of it - the bast will have a bearing on it. So rather than having the linear idea (ABCDEF) or the cyclical idea (ABCDEFABCDEF) you have the helical idea (A1-B1-C1-D1-E1-F1-A2-B2-C2-D2-E2-F2).

So how does this link up to the swastika? Well, in my opinion it does quite well. One one hand it seems to always be spinning in a circle, it will always be turning and seamingly reaching the same position. On the other hand, it is always moving and always moving on. It reaches the same position again, but it is the first full turn, the second full turn, the third full turn, etc. etc.

Another point I find important about the swastika is that it has four arms. 4 is an important number: You have four seasons (spring-summer-autumn-winter), linking up with the four mythological ages ( gold-silver-copper-iron [correct me for the names if I am wrong]): The partitions of time as you will.

You then have the “alternative”, which is the Black Sun – often seen as an occult idea installed by Himmler & Co. , but I certainly see an idea behind it – it has of arms 12.

12 itself is of course also an important number: 12 days of difference between the sun year and the moon year. 12 days of Yule. 12 months. 12 Aesir gathered in Lokasenna. 12 is half of 24, which is the number of runes in the Elder Futhark.

Now, more significant to me is the fact that 12 is a product of the number 4 (just explained and the number three, which is quite an interesting one:

-Life, Death, Rebirth
-Odin, Vili, Ve.
-Odin, Hoenir, Lodur.
-Urd’s Well, Mimir’s Well, Hvergelmere
-Sky, earth, sea
-Past, present, future
-Mother, father, child
-Faith, Folk, Family
-Three Aettir of the Futhark
-Youth, Adulthood, Age
-Earl, Jarl, Thrall
-Sword-death, sea-death, straw-death

List could go on…

How incomplete would any of these be with one of them missing? Probably quite so.

Then you have the number nine, which is of course 3x3, having a even higher level of completeness:

-Nine worlds grouped into 3x3 on Yggdrasil on which Odin hung 9 days and 9 nights

Asgard-Alfheim-Vanaheim
Midgard-Jotunheim-Svartalfheim
Hel-Niflheim-Muspelheim

-The Valknut: Three triangles interwoven. (3x3 = 9)

-Nine noble virtues, nine charges.

-Nine aspects to the “soul”:
Lík/Lyke
Hamr
Ódhr
Önd
Hugr
Minni/Myne
Sál
Fetch/Fylgia
Hamingja

-Three and nine are the only numbers where multiples of the number have a sum-across of 3, 9 or the multiples thereof.

So you have this powerful number 3, which links the aspects of life to the 4, the seasons and ages; and you multiply them and you are at 12, whose significance we have already explained. Which makes the Black Sun IMO a potentially very potent symbol; an inference I do not wish to make, but any twelve-armed swastika would eventually be a symbol encapsulating life quite definitely as to my observation.

Next, we shall deal with the turning direction, since it is obviously turning. I would not say that ultimately there is a right way of turning; however it would make more sense to me, logically, to be rolling clockwise:

-mirrors the daily progression of the sun.
-has the impression of moving forward rather than backward
-faces towards the right, which is considered the nobler side: It is better to sit at the right side of the host; the right hand is a measure of greeting in whatever way it may be used; the dexter side of a shield is considered purer than the sinister side, etc. etc.
-the way that the clock turns is obviously the way that time will turn – be it as a matter of seasons or a matter of ages.
-The fact that it seems to be expanding rather than contracting gives also a more positive impression to me, one of a growing helix of time rather than a shrinking one...looks much more powerful "clock-wise" facing.

Last but not least, I will come to speak of the tilted swastika as Pervitinist suggested. I am not aware of any references, however I am proved by archeology that it was used way before 1933:

Prehistoric Swastika came in all forms and shapes. Even the tilted one existed. Compare this 6th century brooch found in Norfolk, England:

http://www.odinsvolk.ca/images/Fylfot26.jpg

Well, and in the end I finally hope that any of this made any sense. I know it wasn't all 100% on the complete topic, and went a bit off-road, but well, in the end of the day, something was probably to be learnt. :P

Aupmanyav
Tuesday, March 13th, 2007, 12:32 PM
Please allow me to clarify and state that Hindu Swastika is miles away from hate and war.

Pervitinist
Tuesday, March 13th, 2007, 01:46 PM
Please allow me to clarify and state that Hindu Swastika is miles away from hate and war.

So is the National-Socialist and Germanic Swastika if you understand it in the right way. The Swastika is not directly related to worldly events like war or peace, but (like Dr. Wolff and Sigurd said) a cosmological symbol.

But on the other hand, hate, like love, is a natural and by no means always negative emotion. F.e. when you love your family, you will naturally hate those who want to do harm to it. That's a normal and healthy thing, and only Christian indoctrination has made people in the West believe that one should "love one's enemies".

The same goes for war. War is not negative per se, as long as it is fought in an honorable way and for a just cause.

Spjabork
Tuesday, March 13th, 2007, 02:14 PM
http://forums.skadi.net/adding_ethnic_flags_users_profile-t55312p6.html

Posts #51,#54,#55,#56

The swastika also has colour.

Aupmanyav
Tuesday, March 13th, 2007, 05:22 PM
Hindu Swastika colour range is from white to yellow to orange to red. We use these colors in ceremonies, white with rice powder, yellow for what we call 'Abir', orange (or Safron and Bhagwa, light Ochre, being sort of Hindu religious color), red for 'Gulal' that we use during Holi and what the Indian women put on their forehead. It is never black.

I agree to Pervitnist, there are limits, beyond which people might need to fight, but still there need not be any hate. The enemy also is 'Brahman', same as us, the universal substrate. Geeta says if there are emotions involved; attachment, hate, greed, etc., you accumulate Karma. No emotions, done in the course of duty, one is free, no accumulation of Karma.

Spjabork
Tuesday, March 13th, 2007, 06:14 PM
I agree to Pervitnist, there are limits, beyond which people might need to fight, but still there need not be any hate. The enemy also is 'Brahman', same as us, the universal substrate. Geeta says if there are emotions involved; attachment, hate, greed, etc., you accumulate Karma. No emotions, done in the course of duty, one is free, no accumulation of Karma.
Carl von Clausewitz, in his book "On War" ("Vom Kriege"; 1832), tried to distinguish between hostile emotion and hostile intention. He said, the former is additional to, whereas the latter is indispensible for any hostility.

I think that hostile emotion is always present in any war, at least one of the two opponents is hating his enemy. Usually, the weaker will hate the stronger, thus emotionally to enhance, or at least try so, his limited physical strength.

World War One was exeptional in that the Germans, as the weaker (because of their limited ressources) did not hate their enemies, but were hated in turn from the beginning. This is one reason why Germany lost WWI: the utter lack of hate for her enemies. One reason, but not the least one. You can easily prove that when you compare the propaganda which both sides made. The allied propaganda was offensive, emotional; the German propaganda was defensive, reasonable.

Oswals Spengler said in his "Speech to the German youth" (1924):
"We have learned to hate our enemy. Who can't hate is no real man."

Sorry for this diversion from the topic. The swastika is of course a symbol of strength, of luck (in the fight), of - be it imaginative - superiority. The Fighter Squadron Richthofen was one of the first German units to display the swastika on their war vehicles (here planes) already in WWI.

Inasmuch strengh is associated with hate is debatable. From what was said above follows that he who has asserted his strength would not resort to, would not feel the need of hate.

And as we know, Germany has lost the Second World War, too.

SuuT
Tuesday, March 13th, 2007, 08:12 PM
What an excellent post!


What does the Swastika represent to me personally? Well, in some sense it represents time and its progression to me. Oh, and a lot of numerology involved in it too :D

For me, this is the beauty of the Pagan mind and organicity: that the same one symbol such as the swastika has both its absolutes, as well as its relativities - it is a communicable, yet incommunicable source of fantastic meaning. I think we should all strive to find its signifigance in our own lives.


I think it is great that Suut brought up the point of time, more specifically cyclical time. Which is exactly what the swastika, amongst other things, represents.
However he is somewhat incorrect. Time is not linear, not cyclical, but probably helical

Well...time is at least cyclical (unless one is of the Abrahamic Traditions). Might it also be helical...? - Certainly. I have also considered a possible connection of the Swastika to helical time; but after careful scrutiny, I thought myself overcomplicating it. What I mean is that if one connects it to the notions of past, present, and future - life, death, and rebirth, the helical sequence (A1-B1-C1-D1-E1-F1-A2-B2-C2-D2-E2-F2) results in an indefinite series; which while relating to infinite time, does not account for rebirth in a temporal cycle - which is agreed upon across-the-board with respect to the swastika -unless the helix is free of chirality, which is mathematically indemonstable: the helix would have to possess no "handedness", or properties of its own. In short, time would possess no properties.

But maybe it doesn't! - Perhaps all that there is is the present...? But present-ness is a property...

The problem is confounded with the postulation of multiple helices, which would be necessary to account for the ancients view of time as part of the mystery of 3-fold division.

The most simple thing, though, is that we just have no symbols of helices extant in our past; where the swastika, having carved the path that it has carved, is beyond any doubt a Sun symbol of spiritual signifigance to our ancestors.

But it still might represent a Helix.:D

Aupmanyav
Thursday, March 15th, 2007, 07:31 AM
Inasmuch strengh is associated with hate is debatable.The Pandavas were weaker than the Kauravas, the ratio of their armies being 5:18, even then Krishna advised them to go to war without emotions. It is never easy to remain foccused on the task at hand. Hate is a debilitating emotion, it may prevent you from doing your best. You may engage in actions which are not tactically correct. Among the strong, hate leads to attrocities, finally leading to their downfall. I thought Germany understood that.

Hate is good in enemies, I like Pakistan to be hating India. Their hate itself, will harm them.

Pervitinist
Thursday, March 15th, 2007, 09:09 AM
Among the strong, hate leads to attrocities, finally leading to their downfall. I thought Germany understood that.

Hate is good in enemies, I like Pakistan to be hating India. Their hate itself, will harm them.

I'm not sure if Germany already understood this correctly in its entirety. The hate against "Nazis" and "Japs" led to Hiroshima and Nagasaki, to the firebombing campaign against German cities, to the expulsion of 15 million from their homes, mass rapes and uncontrolled killing of German civilians in the east by the hands of the Red Army and its willing Slavonic helpers.

On the other hand those who let the British army escape at Dunkirk, who constantly offered peace from 1940 onwards, who did not demand an "unconditional surrender" from anyone, who did not feel hate against any of their enemies (with the possible exception of the Jews; but I even doubt that), lost.

Perhaps we should really learn a lesson from this. And perhaps India should as well, because if you don't behave (in the gobalist sense), you might easily become the next target of similar hate campaigns. Just look at how Iran is now being depicted in the media, as something "evil", something "to be hated". American irrational hate against "terror", against Muslims, against non-"democratic" nations led to Guantanamo, Abu Ghrayb, bestiality, rape, random killings. But there is also rational, justified hate: the hate against those haters. This cool and calm but undying hate will be our strength in the future (if there is any).

Aupmanyav
Thursday, March 15th, 2007, 12:08 PM
Let us see what chance and probability has in store for humans everywhere. I do not believe in free will.

Spjabork
Thursday, March 15th, 2007, 02:21 PM
It is never easy to remain foccused on the task at hand. Hate is a debilitating emotion, it may prevent you from doing your best. You may engage in actions which are not tactically correct. Among the strong, hate leads to attrocities, finally leading to their downfall. I thought Germany understood that.
I must confirm that the Germans, on the whole, did not hate their enemies, neither in World War One, nor in World War Two. Goebbels, as early as 1945 tried to stir up some hatred in the soldiers on the Eastern Front, using Russian atrocities as ignition. This was much too late to effect any result.

If you thought otherwise, you were seriously misinformed, as the world about Germany in toto is, due to jewish controlled "international" media.

While it is true that hate may lead sometimes to not very smart moves, it gives you, OTOH the necessary insistance, the endurance, the fanatism, the stubbornness to go all through to victory.

Do you think the German officers who tried to kill Hitler hated the enemies of Germany? Certainly not. That's why they didn't fight as they should have. But they hated Hitler, and this gave them the persistance to try and try again and again.

As for Pakistan: it has been foreseen since that state was founded that it would collapse soon. That did not happen during the last 60 years. And one reason is the Muslim fanatism, i.e. the hate for everything not muslim, which holds Pakistan together and has created atomic bombs from desert sand.

Lyfing
Thursday, March 15th, 2007, 07:56 PM
Later on, Dr. Besant explains that each of thee two great emotions subdivides into three parts, ac*cording as the man who has it feels strong or weak.

Love looking downwards is benevolence; love looking upwards is reverence; and these are the several common characteris*tics of love from superiors to inferiors, and from inferiors to superiors universally. The normal relations between husband and wife, and those between brothers and sisters, afford us the field for studying the manifestation of love between equals. We see love showing itself as mutual tenderness and mutual trustfulness, as consideration, respect, and desire to please, as quick insight into and endeavour to fulfil the wishes of the other, as magnanimity, forbearance. The elements present in the love-emotions of superior to inferior are found here, but mutuality is impressed on all of them. So we may say that the common characteristics of love between equals is desire for mutual help.

Thus we have benevolence, desire for mutual help, and reverence as the three main divisions of the love-emotion, and under these all love emotions may be classified. For all human relations are summed up under the three classes: the relations of superiors to inferiors, of equals to equals, of inferiors to superiors.

She then explains the hate-emotions in the same way:

Hate looking downwards is scorn, and looking upwards is fear. Similarly, hate between equals will show itself in anger, combativeness, disrespect, violence, aggressiveness, jealousy, in*solence, etc. - all the emotions which repel man from man when they stand as rivals, face to face, not hand in hand. The common characteristic of hate between equals will thus be mutual injury. And three main characteristics of the hate-emotion are scorn, desire for mutual injury, and fear.

Love is characterised in all its manifestations by sympathy, self-sacrifice, the desire to give; these are its essential factors, whether as benevolence, as desire for mutual help, as reverence. For all these directly serve attraction, bring about union, are of the very nature of love. Hence love is of the spirit; for sympathy is the feeling for another as one would feel for oneself; self-sacrifice is the recognition of the claim of the other, as oneself; giving is the condition of spiritual life. Thus love is seen to belong to spirit, to the life-side of the universe.

Hate, on the other hand, is characterised in all its mani*festations by antipathy, self-aggrandisement, the desire to take; these are its essential factors, whether as scorn, desire for mutual injury, or fear. All these directly serve repulsion, driving one apart from another. Hence, hate is of matter, emphasises mani*foldness and differences, is essentially separateness, belongs to the form-side of the universe.

http://www.anandgholap.net/Chakras-CWL.htm

I wonder if the Swastika isn't something of a chakra..??

-Lyfing