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Monday, July 22nd, 2002, 09:09 AM
HITLER, CHRISTIANITY, AND THE THIRD REICH

By Kerry Bolton Po Box 1627 Paraparaumu Beach, Wellington, New Zealand


The place of Christianity under Nazism has been a matter of contention, as with all else connected with that philosophy. Hitler has been damned as the devil incarnate by his Christian opponents, and heralded as a Jesus- like messiah by his Christian proponents. The 24th point of the NSDAP's political programme even describes National Socialism as standing for "positive Christianity." In order to access the real relationship of Christianity to National Socialism it is necessary to go beyond the propaganda of both pro- and anti- Nazi Christians. To do this the private pronouncements of the Nazi leaders must receive greater attention that their public statements. An additional consideration is the actual practice of the Nazi regime towards the churches.

Hitler's private conversations with his inner circle between 1941 and 1944, as recorded by Reichleiter Bormann, himself one of the Nazi Party's most avid anti-Christians as we shall see, provide the most insightful of sources in determining the real attitude of Hitler towards Christianity. Hitler commented of Minister of Religion Kerrl’s effort to identify Nazism with "positive Christianity" that it was "the noblest of intentions, but I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself." "As for the men close to me", he stated, "who, like me, have escaped from the clutches of dogma, I've no reason to fear that the Church will get its hands on them. We'll see to it that the church cannot spread abroad teachings that conflict with the interests of the State. We shall continue to preach the doctrine of National Socialism, and the young will no longer be taught anything but the truth."

"In the long run National Socialism and religion will no longer be able to exist together. The ideal solution would be to leave the religions to devour themselves, without persecutions." "The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science. Religion has to make more and more concessions. Gradually the myths crumble."


EARLY VIEW

During the first years of the regime, and just prior to it, Hermann Rauschning recorded Hitler's conversations with his inner circle. According to Rauschning, a conservative in the ranks of the Nazi party who became the president of Danzig, Hitler said of Christianity: --- "Leave the hair-splitting to others. Whether it's the Old Testament or the New, or simply the sayings of Jesus, it's all the same old Jewish swindle. It will not make us free. A German church, a German Christianity is a distortion. One is either a German or a Christian. You cannot be both...... We don’t want people to keep one eye on the hereafter. We need free men who know that God is in themselves."

Hitler made it clear that he was not interested in an "Aryanized Christianity" or the "Aryan Jesus" myth promoted by Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Von Liebenfells, and certain party members. "You cannot make an Aryan out of Jesus, that’s nonsense",he stated. Rather the festivals of the Church, hijacked by Christianity from the heathens in the first place, would be re-heathenized. "Easter is no longer resurrection, but the eternal renewal of our people. Christmas is the birth of OUR saviour: the spirit of heroism and the freedom of our people."

If the priests put up resistance the regime would expose them before the people. "We shall brand them as ordinary criminals. I shall tear the mask of honesty off their faces. And if that is not enough, I shall make them appear ridiculous and contemptible. I shall order films to be made about them. We shall show the history of the monks on the cinema."

Indeed in 1937 a trial was held of 337 monks, "for abusing pupils or patients" committed to their care. a few monks escaped with millions of marks of German money, while the vast majority were imprisoned. The English ex-monk Joseph McCabe commented that they went to court "on the vilest of charges". Of a chaplain named Father Leogivill, he said: "Once when he was on night duty he raped a sick youth of 17 who was asleep in the ward, and could not defend himself because his right arm was in a sling." This situation was not unique, nor is it today uncommon. What is unique are the effective measures the Third Reich took.


FOLK RELIGION

A folk religion would arise that would replace Christianity. "The peasant will be told what the Church has destroyed for him: the whole of the secret knowledge of nature, of the divine, the shapeless, the daemonic. The peasant shall learn to hate the Church on that basis. Gradually he shall be taught by what wiles the soul of the German people has been raped. We shall wash off the Christian veneer and bring out a religion peculiar to our race. and this is where we must begin, not in the big cities..."

Rauschning remarks in his Hitler Speaks that the old folks customs were being used by the regime to de-Christianize the peasantry. Agriculture Minister Walter Darre, the original proponent of the famous "Blood and Soil" doctrine and the real father of the "Green Movement", was one of the regime’s most avid anti-Christians. Agricultural exhibitions had themes of the old peasant revolts against the Church. Peasant calendars were produced which replaced Christian festivals with Germanic heathen ones.


COMMUNISM AND CHRISTIANITY: REVOLTS AGAINST NATURE

The very doctrines of National Socialism and Christianity are antithetical. Christianity was held to be the forerunner of Bolshevism, and both were revolts against Nature herself, with the Jews to be behind each. Bormann records Hitler as stating: "Christianity is a religion against natural law, a protest against nature. taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.

"Pure Christianity- the Christianity of the catacombs- is concerned with translating the Christian doctrine into fact. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely wholehearted Bolshevism under a tinsel of metaphysics. "The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity’s illegitimate child...... The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity. Bolshevism practices a lie of the same nature when it claims to bring liberation to mankind. In the ancient world the relations between men and Gods were founded on an instinctive respect. It was a world enlightened by the idea of tolerance. Christianity was the first creed in the world to exterminate its adversaries in the name of love. Its keynote is intolerance."


THE POX OF CHRISTIANITY

Hitler’s analysis of Christianity is Nietzschean. "The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.'' "Christianity is a prototype of Bolshevism: the mobilization by the Jews of the masses of slaves with the object of undermining society. Thus one understands that the healthy elements of the Roman world were proof against the doctrine. Yet Rome (i.e. Fascist Italy) allows itself today to reproach Bolshevism with having destroyed the Churches. As if Christianity itself hadn't behaved in the same way towards the pagan temples."


THE DEPLORABLE BIBLE

"It is deplorable that the Bible should have been translated into German, and the whole of the German people should have thus become exposed to the whole of this Jewish mumbo-jumbo. As a sane German, one is flabbergasted to think that the German folk could have led themselves to such a pass by Jewish filth and priestly twaddle."


PRIESTS

"What a happy inspiration to have kept the clergy out of the party. On 21 March 1933 at Potsdam, the question was raised: with the Church or without the Church?I conquered the State despite the malediction pronounced on us by both creeds [i.e. Catholic and Protestant]. On that day, we went to the tomb of the kings, whilst the others were attending religious services. Suppose that at that period I'd made a pact with the churches, I'd today be sharing the lot of the Duce [Mussolini]. By nature the Duce is a free thinker, but he decided to choose the path of concessions. For my part, in his place I'd have decided to choose the path of revolution. I'd have entered the Vatican and thrown everybody out."

As with many other matters, Hitler intended postponing a final reckoning with the priests until after the war.

"The evil that's gnawing at our vitals is our priests, of both creeds. After the war, I'll take the necessary steps to make the recruiting of priests extraordinarily difficult. In particular, I'll no longer allow children from the age of 10 upward, to devote their lives to the Church when they've absolutely no notion what they're undertaking - in accepting celibacy for example."


CHURCH & STATE

Political interference from the clergy was not tolerated. Hitler stated:

" If one once allows the Church to exercise the slightest influence on the governing of the people and the upbringing of the younger generation, it will strive to become omnipotent, and one makes a great mistake if one thinks that one can make a collaborator of the Church by accepting compromise."

From the earliest days of the regime, the Nazis had come into conflict with the churches. The 1933 sterilization law of the congenitally retarded was particularly offensive to the Catholic church, with its doctrine of the sanctity of all human life, in contradistinction to the eugenic outlook of the Nazis.

In 1937 Pius XI accused the regime of "secret and open fundamental hostility to Christ and his Church." Towards the end, in 1945, Pope Pius XII described National Socialism as "the arrogant apostasy from Jesus Christ, the denial of his doctrine and of his work of redemption, the cult of violence, the idolatry of race and blood, the overthrow of human liberty and dignity."

One point of irritation to Hitler was that while the churches had declared themselves enemies of the German State, the people were expected to subsidize them. Subsidies were actually extracted from the wage packet much like union levies, and to contract out meant to endure considerable antagonism. This paradox was never resolved.

Hitler commented that: "Once we cease handing out millions of marks a year to the Church, the damn parsons will very quickly change their tune and, instead of having the impudence to revile us and to attack us in the most shameful manner, will very soon be eating out of our hands. Once the war is over I will put a swift end to the Concodat [diplomatic agreement between the State and the Vatican].It will give me the greatest personal pleasure to point out to the Church all those occasions on which it has broken the terms of it. One need only recall the close co-operation between the Church and the murderers of Heydrich [Security Chief]. Catholic priests not only allowed them to hide in a Church, but even allowed them to entrench themselves in the sanctuary of the altar. "I don’t interfere with matters of belief, therefore I can’t allow churchmen to interfere with temporal affairs. The organized lie must be smashed. The State must remain the absolute master.

"When I was younger, I thought it was necessary to set about matters with dynamite. I’ve since recognized there’s room for a little subtlety. The rotten branch falls of itself. The final state must be: in St. Peter’s chair, a senile officiate; facing him, a few old women, as gaga and as poor in spirit as anyone could be. The young and healthy are on our side. Against a church that identifies itself with the State, as in England, I have nothing to say. But even so, it’s impossible to hold humanity eternally in bondage to lies. After all, it was only between the 6th and 8th centuries that Christianity was imposed on our people by princes who had an alliance of interest with the shavelings. Our people had previously succeeded in living all right without this religion. I have six divisions of the SS composed of men absolutely indifferent in matters of religion. It doesn’t prevent them going to their deaths with serenity in their souls."

"That the Fascists were spared a second civil war is due to the fact that the movement succeeded in uniting the Italian nation in spite of the opposition from the Church. Further, Fascism clearly defined the position as regards what things fell within the sphere of the Church and what things fell within the sphere of the State. When the Church refused to recognize the law for the formation of the Fascist Youth Organization, the Fascists retaliated by ruthlessly breaking up every religious procession from Rome to the south of Italy. The result was that within three days the Church had come to heel."


JOY OF LIFE

The heathen character of National Socialism was contrasted to the otherworldly preoccupation of the Church. Hitler states: "To deserve its place in history our people must be above all a people of warriors. This implies both privileges and obligations, the obligation of submitting to a most vigorous upbringing and the privilege of the healthy enjoyment of life. If a German soldier is expected to be ready to sacrifice his life with demur, then he is entitled to love freely and without restriction. In life, love and battle go hand in hand, and the inhibited little bourgeois must be content with the crumbs which remain. But if the warrior is to kept in f fighting trim, he must not be pestered with religious precepts which ordain abstinence of the flesh. A healthy-minded man simply smiles when a Saint of the Church like St. Anthony bids him eschew the greatest joy that life has to give, and offers him the solace of self-mortification and castigation in its place."


HIMMLER AND THE SS

The SS epitomizes the contradistinction between Christianity and the philosophy of the Third Reich. It was a Black Order in its own right, and Himmler envisaged the creation of an autonomous SS State which would be an example to the world of National Socialism. In 1937 Himmler instructed his chiefs to plan a counter-culture to replace Christianity, and it was declared, "the age of the final showdown with Christianity" had dawned, and one of the objectives of the SS was to provide Germans with "the proper ideological foundation" to replace it. An SS porcelain factory manufactured pagan cult objects to replace Christian symbols. The Summer and Winter Solstices were revived to replace Christian festivals. There were SS birth and marriage ceremonies of heathen character. The underlying conception behind such ceremonies was the SS perspective of birth and marriage as aspects of an eternal cycle of life and death.

Himmler’s right-hand man, Heydrich, Reich Security chief, declared of Christianity and heathenism :

"Who is there among us who does not, deep in his heart, provided he can still think with his blood, have a profound, strangely haunting sense of shame, when, walking through the countryside, before the panorama perhaps of snow-covered Alpine mountain tops or in the midst of a somber Westphalian heath, comes across an image of the crucified Jesus? The Gods of our ancestors looked different; they were men, and each had a weapon in his hand, symbolizing the attitude to life that is inherent in our race: that of action, that of a man’s responsibility to himself. How different the pale crucified one, expressing- by his decided look of suffering, humility and extreme surrender - qualities which contradict the fundamental heroic attitude of our race."

Himmler’s idea of God was a major influence on SS philosophy. This Got was spelled with only one ‘T’ in archaic German, to distinguish it from the Christian "gott". At an SS birth ceremony it was declared: "From Got your knowledge, your tasks, your life-purpose, all life’s perceptions flow. Each who drink from this tankard be witness to the fact that you are Got-united."

SS newlyweds were betrothed before the SS Wedding Altar and presented with a wooden bread dish by Himmler. This bore the carved legend: "Be worthy of the bread of your soil, then your kin will live forever."

Himmler in his 1935 publication The SS as an Anti-Bolshevik Battle Organization, rejected atheism and propounded a belief in a god or first principle responsible for cosmic ordering of "this whole earth, the entire plant and animal world."

Amongst his trusted aides he referred to this god as Uralten - "the original or ancient one", an old Germanic conception. Christianity had placed women in a position of subjection to enforce their destruction. The priesthood was seen as a homoerotic and even homosexual institution, anti-woman by its nature. "The whole tenor of the priesthood and the whole of Christianity [was that of] an erotic male fraternity for the formation and maintenance of this Bolshevism."

" I have the conviction that the Roman emperors, who exterminated the first Christians, did precisely what we are doing with the communists. These Christians were at the time the vilest scum, which the city accommodated, the vilest Jewish people, the vilest Bolsheviks there were. The bolshevism at that time had the power to grow large on the dying body of Rome. The priesthood of this Christian church, which later in unending battle subjugated the Aryan Church, was engaged from the fourth to the fifth century in demanding the celibacy of the priesthood. They based themselves on St. Paul and the original apostles who presented the woman as something sinful and tolerated or recommended marriage as a legal way out of whoredom- that is in the Bible- and represented the procreation of children as a ‘necessary evil’. This priesthood pursued this path consistently through those centuries until in the year 1139 the celibacy of priests was put into effect.

"Further, I have the conviction that merely for the few who do not wish to reconcile themselves to this homosexuality - especially for the parish priests who in my , estimation are to an overwhelming extent, over 50%, not homosexual, while I assume that in the monasteries homosexuality amounts to 90- 95-100% - there is a way out created for them to procure the necessary women and females in the oral confession box."

Himmler hoped that within a few years judicial proceedings would show the Church leadership up as a homosexual fraternity which "has been terrorizing people for 1800 years, claiming from them the greatest blood sacrifices, sadistically perverse in its manifestations."
As we have seen , several years later, the judicial system did begin to address this matter with the trial of monks for molestation. Himmler emphasized the anti-woman nature of the Medieval witch and heresy trials. It is an interesting sidelight that he expected particular attention to be paid to interaction between his SS men and young women socially, to combat the "exaggerated masculinizing" of society.

Addressing SS at Posen in 1942 on their numerous tasks, Himmler zeroed in on Christianity ,saying that it would have to be dealt with more vigorously than hitherto. "This Christendom, this greatest pestilence which could have befallen us in history, which has weakened us for every conflict, we must finish with."

Himmler attacked the Christian idea of Man as above or apart from Nature, and explained his cyclic conception of Eternity, that Man must be anchored in his ancestors and in his grandchildren.


MARTIN BORMANN ON CHRISTIANITY

Martin Bormann, who became Hitler's secretary and deputy after Hess' abortive peace mission to England, like Himmler, Rosenberg, Heydrich, Hitler and most of the others at the top of the Reich hierarchy, also had a clear perspective on Christianity. The following is taken from Kirchliches Jahrbuch fur die evangelische Kirche in Deutschland:

"National Socialist and Christian concepts are incompatible. The Christian churches build upon the ignorance of the men and strive to keep large portions of the people in ignorance because only in this way can the Christian churches maintain their power. On the other hand, National Socialism is based on scientific foundations. Christianity's immutable principles, which were laid down almost two thousand years ago by Jews, have increasingly stiffened into life-alien dogmas. National Socialism however, if it wants to fulfill its task further, must always guide itself according to the newest data of scientific researchers.

"When in the future our youth no longer hear anything about this Christianity, whose doctrine is far below our own, Christianity will automatically disappear.

"When we National Socialists speak of God, by God we do not understand, as do naive Christians and their clerical beneficiaries, a manlike being who is sitting around in some corner of the spheres. Rather, we must open the eyes of mankind to the fact that in addition to our unimportant earth there exist countless other bodies in the universe, many of them surrounded, like the sun, by smaller bodies, the moons. The force which moves all those bodies in the universe, in accordance with Natural Law, is what we call the Eternal, the Allfather or God. The assertion that this world- force can worry about the fate of every individual, every bacillus on earth, and that it can be influenced by so-called prayer or other astonishing things, is is based either on a suitable dose of naivete or on outright commercial effrontery.

"In contrast we National Socialists call upon ourselves to live as naturally as possible - that is, in keeping with the Laws of Life. The more thoroughly we know and attend to the Laws of Nature and Life, the more we adhere to them, the more do we correspond to the will of the Eternal; the deeper our insight into the will of the Eternal, the greater will be our success.

"It follows from the incompatibility of National Socialist and Christian concepts that we must oppose any strengthening of existing Christian denominations and must refuse to give them any assistance. We can make no differentiation between the various Christian confessions. Any strengthening of the Christian concepts would merely work against us.

"To an ever-increasing degree the Folk must be wrested from Christianity and their agents, the pastors. Obviously, the Christians, from their standpoint, will and must defend themselves against this loss of power. But never again must Christianity regain an influence in the leadership of our folk. This must absolutely and finally be broken."


CHRISTIANITY IN THE THIRD REICH

Despite the pragmatic and relatively cautious approach the times required, the regime did begin preliminary measures against Christianity. One means was to heathenize the churches from within. A nazified German Christian Faith Movement was formed in opposition to the mainline Protestant churches. Hundreds of pastors of the Confessional Church were arrested in 1937.Catholics were removed from the Civil Service.In 1937 over 100,000 Germans formally left the Catholic Church.

According to the reliable British historian David Irving (The War Path), "The Nazis discouraged Catholic education in schools, the convents and monasteries were dissolved and their property confiscated, and the Jesuits were driven out of influence everywhere."
The Hitler Youth sung such verses as, "I am neither Christian nor Catholic/I am for the SA through thin and thick."

Something of what the regime had in mind for eventually replacing Christ- ianity, with after the war can be deduced from the proposals drawn up in 1942 for the creation of a National Reich Church by leading National Socialist philosopher Alfred Rosenberg. Indeed his own magnum opus The Myth of the Twentieth Century had met such condemnation by the churches since its first publication in 1930. Among the points for a Reich Church were:

"13. The National Church demands immediate cessation of the publishing and dissemination of the Bible in Germany.

"14. The Fuhrer’s Mein Kampf is the greatest of all documents...... embodies the purest and truest ethics for the present and future life of our nation.

"18. The National Church will clear away from its altars all crucifixes, Bibles and pictures of the saints.

"19. On the altars there must be nothing but Mein Kampf and to the left on the altar a sword.

"30. On the day of its foundation the Christian cross must be removed from all churches, cathedrals and chapels, and it must be superseded by the Swastika." The priesthoods were to be replaced by orators.


REFERENCES:

David Irving The War Path NY 1978
William Shirer Rise And Fall Of The Third Reich
Hitler’s Secret Conversations 1941-1944
Herman Rauschning Hitler Speaks
Peter Padfield Himmler: Reichsfuhrer SS Macmillan London 1991

Taras Bulba
Friday, February 13th, 2004, 04:38 AM
http://www.skrewdriver.net/nschrist.html

National Socialist Life
In Christian Germany
by Dr. Mike Rose, Ch.D.
National Socialism is Positive Christianity; no matter how many times men try to change it, there is no difference. A Jewish propaganda book was published in 1995 by The Continuum Publishing Company in New York, entitled Nazi Germany: A New History. The author was Klaus P. Fischer, whose effeminate, Jewish, Humanistic views of Germany under the Third Reich should disgust any truth lover. The book is filled with blatant Jewish lies. Like many of the books printed about Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich, this book depends upon the reader being completely ignorant of National Socialism and the 25 point Party Platform, especially Platform #24, which reads:

"We demand a freedom of religious confessions in this state, as long as they do not endanger the nation's existence or interfere with the moral sense of the German race. The NSDAP party argues for a positive Christianity, although it is not bound to any single confession. The NSDAP party fights against the Jewish-materialistic spirit in and around us. We are convinced that the healing process of our nation can only be continued on the basis of the principle that public welfare has priority over individual welfare"
(I Fight, dis. by USM, inc., 1992).

Yet, in direct contradiction to Hitler's party platform, the antichrist liar Fischer states:
"The Nazis, on the other hand, had no illusions about the fundamental incompatibility between Christianity and party ideology. ... The Nazis had a metaphysical hatred of Christianity ... [They] planned to de-Christianise the Western world ..." (pg. 359)

Any intelligent white man can see that Hitler did not despise Christianity, as evidenced simply by reading Mein Kampf. Hitler knew that by safeguarding his race against the Jew he was conducting the will of God:

"I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator: By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work"
(Hitler, Mein Kampf, [Chamberlain et. al, editors, 1941, Reynal and Hitchcock, New York], pg. 84).

"The National Government ... regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life"
(Hitler, Proclamation to the German Nation at Berlin, February 1, 1933).

By no means was Hitler the only "anti-Semitic" Christian to arise out of Germany, as Fischer claims he was. He also writes that Adolf Stocker, founder of the Christian Socialist Party in 1878, was "one of the first spokesmen for anti-Semitism in Germany." Not only is this a lie but it proves that Fischer is not a historian at all, but is a Jew seeking to cloud the truth. Germany has always, as it was a Christian nation since it's beginnings, been deeply aware of the Jewish diabolic tactics of usury, mongrelisation, and eventually, degradation of its host nation.

This can be documented all the way back to Martin Luther. Luther came to realize the Jewish tactics and the mongrelizing effects that the antichrist, Talmudic Jews propagate against true Christianity and the Separated Scriptures, including inventing hundreds of apostate versions of Christianity to the point that people become confused about exactly what the Scriptures say in their original context. Relatively late in his career, Luther came to realize these facts and did everything in his power to warn his race of the facts in the book The Jews and Their Lies:

"Our people, however, should be on their guard against these hardened, condemned people, (who accuse God of lying and proudly despise the whole world), that they be not misled." (pg. 5)

"Maybe mild-hearted and gentle Christians believe I am too rigorous and drastic against the poor, afflicted Jews, believing that I ridicule them and treat with much sarcasm. By my word, I am far too weak to be able to ridicule such a Satanic breed." (pg. 17)

"If I were to baptize a Jew, I should conduct him to the Bridge leading over the River Elbe, I should fasten a stone to his neck and should thrust him into the waters, saying 'I baptize thee in the name of Abraham."(pg. 18)


In the humble beginnings of National Socialism there were numerous groups and movements that were anti-Jew, including judges and public officials. By no means were the political and religious views concerning the Jews and the principle of racial purity something Hitler conceived on his own, but were the result of men coming to the truth taught in the Scriptures by our God and Saviour Jesus Christ.

This article, however, is not primarily regarding the Jews like Fischer who continually lie and promote their mongrelizing beliefs through books like these, but is primarily concerned with German life in National Socialist Germany under Hitler and the Third Reich's leadership. Fischer's accounts are, however, compared to the explicit Word of God, which is the very Mind of God recorded in the Greek Scriptures. Fischer's opinions are blatantly anti-White in his portrayal of Hitler as some sort of Charles Manson and the Third Reich as some homosexual brutes seeking to take away all the freedoms the Germans once had under their former Democratic Government, and he makes repeated attempts to slander not only Mr. Hitler but the entire German race by calling them bigots and racists. It, of course, is easy to speak ill of the dead; to malign them with vicious intent. After all, Mr. Hitler and other patriotic Germans are no longer alive to defend themselves. It seems clear that such grossly inaccurate and purposeful misrepresentation of the facts of history, in short, the wilful lying of Mr. Fischer, is nothing more than the act of a snivelling coward, far worse than the vilest child molester. It is tantamount to a depraved fiend, who, to satisfy his sexual perversions, desecrates a Christian graveyard. Fischer's own words about the way of life that the German people had under the leadership of the National Socialist Government, will be compared herein to God's Divine Laws of Establishment.

All Scriptures quoted will be from the Anointed Standard Translation of the New Testament and the Greek Septuagint (LXX), for we Christian Separatists have thrown off the Jewish shackles of deception and lies. We do not get our "religion" from a bunch of antichrist, mongrel Jews, who not only killed our Saviour in the flesh but still seek to kill God's racially pure children through mongrelisation and other various means by the promotion of their antichrist agenda. True Christianity is not a religion but a way of life, and our way of life does not come from antichrist Jews, including their false, lying, and blasphemous translations of our Scriptures, but come from God. The Jew is a liar and his father is the Devil himself, the original liar. The Jew mongrel is worshiped today by every apostate version of true Christianity and politicians, but according to God, every mongrel, whether Jew or wetback, is worthy only of death. God did not create the mongrel, so it does not deserve the right to exist, since its existence came through the direct violation of God's Word. For more on this, see the Separatist Brief Vol. 3, No. 24, "The Right to Life."

In the mid 1930's, Adolf Hitler began to implement the policies concerning race that the National Socialist party had promised since the very beginning. This is something non-existent in today's effeminate politicians who promise, promise and promise even more until they are elected and then institute their own mongrelizing agendas in the name of the humanist United Nations. On September 28, 1933, the Third Reich prohibited the employment of non-Aryans and persons married to them from government position. On September 29, 1933, one day later, the Third Reich prohibited Jews from cultural and entertainment enterprises such as art, literature, theatre and film. National Socialist Germany recognized the Jew as a mongrel, an enemy of the state and the German race, the White Race, and as such deserving of no rights. They also recognized the nigger as an animal in the order in which God created him, not on equal status with the white man:

"It would correspond to the meaning of the most noble in this world if our two Christian churches, instead of annoying the negroes with missions which they neither wish nor understand, would teach our European mankind with kindness but in all earnestness, that with unhealthy parents it is a God-pleasing work to take pity on a healthy, poor little orphan, in order to give him a father and mother, rather than putting a sick child into the world which will bring itself and the rest of the world only misfortune and suffering."
(Hitler, Mein Kampf, pgs. 607-608)

According to Fischer, Hitler declared that race pollution was the original sin and that racial mongrelisation was not only disgusting and against God's Divine Laws of Establishment but was murder against the White Race. Indeed he did. Here is what Hitler said so that you can make up your own mind as to his meaning:

"Blood sin and desecration of the race are the original sin in this world and the end of a humanity which surrenders to it."
(Mein Kampf, Chap. 10)

Hitler and Christian Germany recognized that God's laws were written in the laws of nature, such as the Biblical law which states kind after kind. (Gen. 1:11 LXX). This law applies to people and humanoids as well, for the sixth commandment states: "You will not mongrelize." This translation has been proved in Pastor V.S. Herrell's book The Sixth Law of God, which is also available from Herrell Brothers Publishing House. What do the Scriptures say about this? They say Hitler was absolutely right and had full authority to act:

"You will not mongrelize."
(Ex. 20:13 LXX; Rom. 13:9 AST)

"You have heard that it was said to the ancients, 'You will not mongrelize or corrupt the seedline'." (Matt. 5:27 AST)

"Do not through birthing become unequally yoked with those of a different race or with those without persuasion ... For we are a house of the Living God, even as God said, 'I will dwell in them, and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be My people.' 'Because of this, come out
from among them, and separate, mark off your boundaries and cast them out of your society, and do not have sexual intercourse with an adulterated mongrel, and I will receive you.' 'And I will be a Father to you, and you will be sons and daughters to me, says the Master Omnipotent.' Then having
these promises, beloved, let us purify ourselves from all mongrelisation of flesh and of mentality, fulfilling separation in the fear of God"
(II Cor.6:14,16-18-7:1 AST).

"He shall take for a wife a virgin of his own race."
(Leviticus 21:13 LXX)

"And whoever shall lie with a beast, let him die the death; and you shall kill the beast. And whatever woman shall approach any beast to have connection with it, you shall kill the woman and the beast; let them die the death, they are guilty."
(Leviticus 20:15- 16 LXX)

"You shall surely set over you a ruler whom Master God shall choose; of your brethren you shall set over you as a ruler; you shall not have power to set over you one of another race because he is not your brother."
(Deut. 17:15 LXX)

The Jew Fischer, who sarcastically mocks Hitler's racial beliefs and God's Word, says,

"... Invariably ethnocentric researchers jumped to the hasty conclusion that skin colour was the chief determinant of biological and, therefore, social superiority." (page 8)

Hitler and Christian Germany knew God's Divine Laws Of Establishment and Order in God's original cosmotic order of white men, women, children, and Negroes. Skin pigmentation does not determine anything by itself, it is the body to which that skin is attached. Skin pigmentation is a physical sign that is used so that we can discern between our racial kinsman and nigger animals. If man and mankind, those kind like a man, were all God's children and able to be filled with the Mentality of Truth, the Holy Spirit, then there would be no need for skin pigmentation and there would be no need to "not mongrelize" and remain racially pure. God did not tell us to be racially pure just to be mean, but for general purpose. Only a racially pure Adamite can house or hold the Mentality of Separation. Jews like Fischer not only fail to recognize the racial truths in the Scriptures but fail to even see the most obvious signs of kind after kind found in the laws of nature.

Fischer, also a pro-homosexual, comments on the Third Reich's beliefs regarding homosexuality:

"It was also Himmler who set up a central registry of all known homosexuals and an office to combat them. Persecution of homosexuals picked up speed in the late 1930's, and many were sent to concentration camps where they were humiliated, tortured, and killed. Probably close to fifteen thousand homosexuals were imprisoned in concentration camps during the Third Reich." (pg. 388)

Not only did National Socialist Germany believe that homosexuality was a disgusting and ungodly act, but Adolf Hitler would not tolerate it amongst his government. After finding out that the SS Stormtrooper leader Ernst Röhm was threatening to overthrow the new Reich, Hitler and the SS stormed in on the conspirators, and those in charge of arresting Röhm found him in his hotel room lying in bed with another man. Needless to say, he and his other homosexual cronies were executed in what is remembered as The Night of Long Knives. Was Hitler, according to God's Just Word, acting in the defence of his race and nation or was he infringing on individuals' freedom of sexual choice?

"And you shall not have sexual intercourse with a man as with a woman, for it is an abomination." (Lev. 18:22 LXX)

"And whoever shall have sexual intercourse with a male as with a woman, they have wrought abomination, let them die the death, they are guilty."
(Lev. 20:13 LXX)

"Because of this, God gave them up to dishonourable deaths, for even their females changed natural sex to that opposed to nature; and likewise, the males also forsaking natural sex with the females, burned in their lust towards one another, males with males participating in indecency, and receiving back in themselves the reward which was appropriate for their digression ... that not only are the one practising such things worthy of death, but also those giving consent to the practising of them."
(Romans 1:26,27,32 AST)

"Or do you not know that the unjust ones will not inherit the government of God? Do not be led astray, neither prostitutes, nor idolaters, nor mongrelisers, nor effeminates, nor homosexuals ..."
(I Cor. 6:9 AST)

"Knowing this, that law is not laid down for a just one but for the lawless and the insubordinate, for the ungodly and failures, for the unsacred and profane ones, for father-murderers and mother-murderers, for men-murderers, for whores, for homosexuals, for man-traders, for liars, for perjurers, and if any other thing opposes sound teaching according to the good message of the reputation of the blessed God, which was entrusted with me."
(I Tim. 1:9-11 AST)

In today's Western culture called America, women's so-called "rights" to be equal to men are constantly demanded by effeminate politicians and lesbian feminists. These feminists bitch and moan and demand that their mongrelizing demands be met. Through this antichrist practice of usurping their order in which God created them, which is the same thing as calling God a liar, the Jew has successfully deteriorated the white family and propagates the lie through abortions, homosexuality, effeminates and 'sexual liberation' that it is better to screw mongrels and niggers than to raise an Aryan family, pure and unmongrelised in the reputation of God. The Jew Fischer states:

"... The Nazis encouraged large families by curtailing women's access to equal opportunities, criminalizing abortion, clamping down on homosexuality, and discouraging prostitution. The Nazis also offered all sorts of monetary incentives to encourage reproduction such as marriage loans, child subsidies, and generous family allowances." (pg. 354)

This effeminate being, as you will see, belittles and tries to use today's mongrelizing standards in comparison to National Socialist Germany's in an effort to disgust the reader as to the way of life in Germany. This is a hater of God and all that He has declared. Fischer states by his hints and opinions that he is a race- mongrelizing, homosexual-approving, equal rights activist, anti-woman, effeminate God-hater. In other words, he is an antichrist. He is so effeminate that he fails to see or comprehend what a real man is by also declaring:

"Since he lacked the ability to form loving, intimate ties with women, he preferred the company of males, the world of seriousness and purpose." (pg. 356)

This lie is so vicious and blatant that this Fischer should have been denied access to a responsible publisher. Mr. Hitler always had an adoring girlfriend or fiancé. He loved and cherished women and there was always female companionship in his life. It is true that Mr. Hitler put the salvation of the great German nation and the racial purification of it first in his life as a priority, but to say that Mr. Hitler did not love and cherish women is utterly ridiculous. On the contrary, it was Mr. Roosevelt who held women in such low esteem. It was Mr. Roosevelt whose wife was a lesbian, and it was Mr. Roosevelt who single-handedly caused and forced the United States into World War II. It was Mr. Roosevelt and his Communist friends and advisors who took the American woman out of her home and threw her into the Jew-controlled work force. While, on the other hand, Mr. Hitler drafted men and women from the over-populated Slavic nations to work in modern cities with hospitals, child-care, and wholesome food, later to be known as and called concentration camps. But true to Mr. Hitler's respect for the German women, there were few German women working as matrons or secretaries at the concentration of labour camps.

History records very clearly that when Mr. Hitler fought the Jewish Communists for control of the government of Germany, both the man and the woman in the German family had to work from sun-up to sun-down to have bread and potatoes on the table and very little meat. But Hitler changed all of that. He put things back in Germany, that is, put the mother and the grandmother back in the home so they could be wives and mothers. This clearly demonstrates that Mr. Hitler the politician was implementing and enforcing Christian values, policies, and family values wherein women were concerned. As far as the concentration of labour camps, which was the real title for these small cities created sometimes overnight, as in the cases of Oak Ridge, Tennessee, Los Alamos, New Mexico, and other places, history records clearly that Hitler's labour camps were being filled with the backward people of Europe, many of whom who had not seen a privy or commode, most had never had running water, and the vast majority had not had an adequate meal or clothing in well over a decade of an economically depressed Europe, which world Jewry had been putting the squeeze on.

The truth is that most of the labour camps were, at least initially, to prove to be the salvation of a vast element of the population of Europe. As time wore on, they became small cities of readily available labour. The occupants were well-housed, well-clothed, and well-nourished. This is not to deny that Hitler's labour pool system did not, toward the end of the war, prove to become centres for the spread of disease and places of food shortages just like the rest of Germany because of the relentless allied bombings of supply lines and water reservoirs. Who, indeed, was responsible for those who died in labour camps? Was it really the Third Reich, or was it the international aggressors of the Communist and American democrats who were really responsible for what the Jews have sought to label as the "Holocaust" of World War II? Can it not be fairly argued that it was the Allied and the Jews themselves and their murderous attacks upon the German people that caused the disease and stopped the supply lines of much needed food, clothing, and medicine, which the German government was clearly supplying to the workers in the camps for concentrated labour? What if the shoe had been on the other foot and the Germans had bombed the railroads and cut off all supplies to Oak Ridge, Tennessee, and the people there contracted dysentery and a variety of other diseases that go along with a concentrated number of people? Would it be the American government responsible for the hundreds of thousands of deaths in the American concentration camps, or would history hold the Germans who attacked the Americans and bombed their supply lines responsible for all such deaths caused by cutting off supplies?

Now, I will discuss Mr. Hitler's sense of duties and his understanding of his role as a Christian man in God's Divine Laws of Establishment, which is the bringing of God's Government to fruition in a physical nation on earth. National Socialist Germany was a government of the Government of God, an Aryan nation of Christians acting in accordance with the Mentality of Separation, God's Word. No, Mr. Hitler was not a womanizing, effeminate humanist and nigger-lover like Billy Clinton, but he was the 7th member of the National Socialist Party and the man who not only brought that party to a reign of power but implemented its just racial and social laws into every day life. He rid the mongrel Jew from the presence of the racially pure Germans and established the only just Christian nation built on the racial preservation of the White Race, freeing it from all forms of Jewish slavery since Jesus the Anointed One established the Government of God. This was done in 12 short years, without compromising God's principles, and he did not do it by womanizing and being an effeminate nigger-lover. The world is a world of seriousness and purpose to a Christian man, who every day of his life is working in the reputation of God to bring about a just nation, a Christian nation, on this earth. This is not done by some Communist, dope addict, effeminate, faggot draft dodger who is busy laughing like an idiot all day with the munchies. Mr. Hitler was a man's man who knew damn well his position and purpose while on this planet in the flesh. Fischer continues,

"Six of these patterns are especially worth noting. First, males were considered culturally more valuable to the community than females because they safeguarded the nation and fought for its livelihood. Second, the father was regarded as the extension of the king in every German home, ruling by divine right and expecting the rest of the family to obey him unconditionally. Third, the primary role of women was to bear children and accept their roles as homemakers. Fourth, German women were expected to move within a small Lebensraum of their own, the home, but in this limited space they were allowed to hold sway with a very firm hand. Their aim was to maintain an immaculately clean and ordered household. Fifth, marriage roles were strictly dichotomized on most issues. Responsibilities thus devolved on either the husband or the wife, the former being the breadwinner, the latter the homemaker. Shared responsibilities were the exception rather than the norm. Finally, the upbringing of the children was equally stratified since the boys were destined to compete in the world, and the girls were preordained to be homemakers." (pg. 356-357)

So what's the problem, Jew-boy? Fischer goes on to say: "... The image of the woman cultivated by the Nazis was a traditional one of mother and homemaker." (page 355)

Magda Goebbels, who was most considered to be the example of how a woman should act and be in accordance to God, was the wife of Joseph Goebbels, who said:

"The mission of women is to be beautiful and to bring children in the world. This is not at all as rude and unmodern as it sounds. The female bird pretties herself for her mate and hatches the eggs for him. In exchange, the mate takes care of gathering the food, and stands guard and wards off the enemy." (pg. 355)

It must be understood that the Third Reich did not promote it's terms of being beautiful according to what the Germans referred to as "the product of Western democracies," or the gratifying of the face with cosmetics, but the natural beauty of the Aryan woman in her God-ordained role and her God-given natural affections of motherhood. White is beautiful, not niggers and mongrels as seen on every other Jewish idiot T.V box. The painting of the face for hours with makeup was not what was meant of the term beautiful. Fischer has this to say about the Women's Reich Leader, appointed by Hitler himself:

"At this time Scholtz-Klink was only thirty-two years of age and had already had eleven children. Physically, she was the stereotype of the Nazi woman: tall and blonde; she was unassuming yet highly opinionated on every subject, proud, and above all, fertile. She believed her own slogans about women, namely, that they are gleichwertig (of equal value), but not gleichartig (equal in kind)...."
(pg. 357)

So, was the Third Reich and it's general attitude that the propagation of the White Race and the upbringing of racially pure children was a top priority in the health and well-being of the nation Biblical? Was the restoration of the white family and the distinctive roles of men, women and
children in accordance with the Word of God? Only a deceived mongrel mentality would deny it, calling God a liar. There are over 25 explicit verses in the New Testament alone that affirm the Reich's belief in the Scriptures concerning family, and the role of men, women and children in accordance with God's Divine Order of Establishment on earth, but I am only going to quote a few; however, I recommend that the reader study all the other verses so that you may come to a full knowledge of truth concerning this all too important subject. First, we read of the orderly arrangement that God has ordained for men and women:

"Likewise, also, the women in decent clothing with modesty and sensibleness, to adorn themselves, not with plaiting or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but what becomes women professing fear of God, by means of good actions. Let a woman learn in silence, in all subjection. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve, and Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived has become in transgression; she will be saved through childbearing, if they remain in the persuasion and honourable brotherly love and separation with sensibleness. ... aged women likewise in reverent behaviour, not diabolical, not having been enslaved by much wine, teachers of good, that they may train the young women to be lovers of men, lovers of children, sound of mind, pure, homeworkers, good, being subject to their own men that the Word of God be not blasphemed." (I Timothy 2:9-15, Titus 2:3-5 AST)

"Let the women be silent in the Body Politics, for it is not allowed for them to speak, but let them be subject; as also the law says. But if they desire to learn anything, let them question their own men at home, for it is a shame for women to speak in the Body Politic." (I Cor. 14:34,35 AST)

"Because a man is the head of the woman, as also the Anointed is the head of the Body Politic, and He is the Saviour of the body. And as the Body Politic are subject to the Anointed, so also the women are to their own men in everything. The men: love your women, even as the Anointed loved the Body Politic, and gave Himself up on behalf of them." (Ephesians 5:23-25 AST)

"The men: love the women, and do not be bitter toward them." (Col. 3:19 AST)

"If anyone is unaccusable, one woman and man having children with persuasion not in accusation of debauchery or unruly." (Titus 1:6 AST)

"Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother and shall cleave to his wife and the two shall be one flesh." (Genesis 2:24 LXX)

"But anyone who does not provide for his own and especially his family, he has denied his persuasion, and is worse than one without persuasion.... Therefore, I desire younger women to marry, to bear children, to manage the household ..." (I Tim. 5:8, 14 AST).

It is clearly evident from these Scriptures that Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich were in complete agreement with the Word of God on the roles of white men and women in a Christian society. Men are to provide for their families, just as women are to be child-bearers and homemakers. Women are to be subject to men, just as the Church is subject to the Anointed Jesus. And if women are to participate in a greater society, they must be under the authority of men. We are naturally talking about real Christian men and real Christian women, not liars, hypocrites, and blasphemers. Furthermore, National Socialists follow Biblical teachings concerning children of the Christian nation. The following quotes from the Scripture concern children.

"Hear, O Israel, The Master our God is one Master. And you will love the Master your God with all your mind, and with all your life, and all your strength. And these words, all that I command you this day, will be in your heart and in your life. And you will teach them to your children, and you will speak of them sitting in the house, and walking by the way, and lying down and rising up." (Deut. 6:4-7 LXX)

"The children: obey your parents [!]in the Master[!], for this is right.... The children: Obey the parents in all, for this is well-pleasing in the Master." (Eph. 6:1, Col. 3:20 AST)


I have shown and proven that National Socialism was built on truth, Positive Christianity, or what we call Christian Separatism today, that Adolf Hitler was indeed a Christian, not by Jewish standards but by God's Standards as found in the Final Revelation of God to His chosen race in Jesus Christ the Anointed One, Who wrote the Separated Scriptures penned down in the Greek.

Regarding Fischer, the bottom line is that if you get your information from Jews, whether historical or concerning religious beliefs, then you are merely a pawn in their game, no matter how hard you try to rationalize it. The Jews are liars and their father was a liar from the beginning (John 8). Our God and Saviour Jesus told us:

"The thief does not come except that he may steal, and kill, and destroy." (John 10:10 AST)

We all know that the Jew is not satisfied with just merely creating thousands of false religions to mongrelize the minds of the racially pure, but as we see today he seeks to mongrelize our race into oblivion through discouraging the growth of our race through promoting homosexuality, abortions, and "affirmative action," which makes it hard on the white man to get a job and support the family, and therefore discourages large white families.

Many in the so-called "White Wing" feel that it would be impossible for this country to turn around, but I point you to Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist Party and what they accomplished. Remember, Germany was in conditions quite similar to our very own. The Party, built on Christianity and racial preservation, rose to great heights never seen before in a country owned and run by Jews. This was not done with political and religious compromises. Hitler recognized this in the rise of Christianity by stating:

"The greatness of Christianity was not rooted in its attempted negotiations of compromise with perhaps similarly constructed philosophical opinions of the old world, but in the inexorably fanatical preaching and representation of its own doctrine" (Hitler, Mein Kampf, pg. 487).

Fischer, though he lies and says that Hitler and the Third Reich were anti-Christian and viewed Christianity as cowardly, cannot produce one genuine speech or statement by Mr. Hitler or the Third Reich affirming his lies. On the other hand, there are countless speeches and statements claiming that Hitler was a Christian and that National Socialist Germany was built on Christian Law and principles. These were real Christians who knew their divine roles in this world and life. Life in Germany was in agreement with God's Word and Divine Laws of Establishment, which demand that we separate and keep our race pure. Germany knew that the Jews were the enemies of God and His people and all that He has declared decent. In Prof. D. Cajus Fabricius' book entitled Positive Christianity in the Third Reich, written in 1937 in National Socialist Germany, we find this statement about the Jew:

"Besides it is clear that the spirit of the Christian Faith has nothing to do with Judaism, we National Socialists are combating." (pg. 22, Herrell Brothers Publishing House)

Hitler also recognized this when he wrote concerning the Jew in Mein Kampf:

"But the best stamp is given by the product of this 'religious' education, the Jew himself. His life is really only of this world, and his spirit is as alien to true Christianity, for instance, as his nature was two thousand years ago to the Sublime Founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of His disposition towards the Jewish people, and when necessary took to the whip in order to drive out of the Lord's temple this adversary of all humanity, who even then as always saw in religion only a means for his business existence." (Hitler, Mein Kampf, pgs. 422-423)

We are not the servant race to niggers and mongrels, as the Jews in mainstream Churchianity and the "Identity Movement" proclaim. We are God's race, created with the Mind (Spirit) of God abiding in us, as His portion of this Earth, conducting His Will. In His reputation we are to bring about the Government of God into a physical reality, bringing the world under our dominion. Humanists argue that we have no right to "exercise dominion" over what God has authorized those who hold His Mentality and Truth to do, but one billion gooks, niggers and screaming, bra-burning feminists can't change God's Word and His purpose for His race. They may change the diabolical public opinion to oppose God's Word and Just Judgements, but they cannot change or persuade God, for He is the same yesterday, today and forever. (Hebrews 13:8)


They argue that we have no right to preserve our race from mongrelisation and to establish a nation of the racially pure according to the Just Judgements of God and His Divine Laws of Establishment. We, as Christians, have every right to execute God's Word into action as He has commanded us to do. National Socialism must be found expressed in today's world as a political party, just as in today's world Christian Separatism must be expressed as the only true persuasion. In reality, both are the same - they are the way of life by which we are to live "separated in right thinking" and actions according to the Good Message of Jesus.

We, as National Socialists and Christians, have the advantage, for we have the Truth, which is the Mentality of Separation, and with the help of Almighty God we can bring our race back to the Truth, for this is God's will for all white men - freedom from the diabolical mind and mental death. This can be done by bringing those of our race to the truth about National Socialism and Germany, that they acted on their God- given authority and adhered to the Word of God as a Christian nation, thus bringing the truths of Christian Separatism in Anointed Jesus, while at the same time enlightening white men to the truth taught in the Scriptures and about God's Government.

In doing this, men would come to realize and recognize that National Socialism is but the political expression of true Christianity taught in the Scriptures by God. Through this glorious process, Jews and mongrels will be weeded out from our ranks, for they cannot participate. As Jews, mongrels, and white degenerates, they cannot house the Mind of God or even comprehend the true God, nor can they be known of God. In this they manifest themselves as such by their actions and failure to apprehend and act on the truth. There are no mongrels in the Government of God. While at this point in history we are the minority as far as numbers, we are the majority because we have God on our side and the blessings of God are bearing fruits today as more and more of our kinsmen are coming to a full knowledge of truth and bowing the knee to the Father and God Master Jesus Anointed, joining the just ranks of the Separated Ones in the Body Politic of God. The victory has already been won for our race over the Diabolical One; all we have to do is go and grab our trophy. On April 29, 1945, Adolf Hitler told his secretary, as he dictated his last will and testament, that the glorious seed that he planted would eventually blossom forth in a glorious rebirth of National Socialism. He was absolutely right.

Moody
Sunday, February 15th, 2004, 05:22 PM
I have read this piece before and it is admirable.

However, there are some points of discussion here.

For example, was the 'Positive Christianity' of N-S a sect of that religion?
It certainly wouldn't be accepted by all the other confessions as being 'Christian' by THEIR standards.

Also, while one cannot deny the usefulness of utilising a form of Christianity, it is also stated above that freedom of religion is recognised in the Third Reich.
Presumably this included forms of Nordic/Celtic paganism.

While Christianity is, [in Nietzsche's words] "Platonism for the People", is it not true that men like Hilter took their spiritual and intellectual sustenance from philosophers such as Schopenhauer?

Hitler read Schopenhauer so closely that one can understand the ideals of the NSDAP more from that source, rather than from Christianity.

So I would say that the N-S ELITE are PHILOSOPHERS, not Christians - that is for the rank and file.

Taras Bulba
Monday, February 16th, 2004, 04:43 PM
Moody, if what you say is true; then Hitler and much of the NS leaders were opputurnistic liars who didn't give a damn about ideology at all!

And as for Nietszche and Schopenhauer, Hitler and many other NS leaders condemned their theories. Eckart himself said that Nietszche was an insult to the German nation and that NS had nothing to do with him.

Moody
Tuesday, February 17th, 2004, 07:14 PM
Moody, if what you say is true; then Hitler and much of the NS leaders were opputurnistic liars who didn't give a damn about ideology at all!

And as for Nietszche and Schopenhauer, Hitler and many other NS leaders condemned their theories. Eckart himself said that Nietszche was an insult to the German nation and that NS had nothing to do with him.

Religion and ideology are not the same thing; this is where you make the mistake.

It is possible to be a Christian, Muslim, Pagan, or a Philosopher, and STILL follow the ideology of National Socialism.

This is what you don't seem to understand.

Just because a Christian can square his principles with N-S does not mean that N-S is therefore exclusively Christian! Indeed, there was much N-S criticism of the Christian church.

The NSDASP elite were in the main of a philosopohical bent, but they knew the importance of religion for the masses - this does not make them 'opportunistic liars'; they just knew that the average man is not capable of the sort of reasoning necessary for philosophy and is therefore better off following religious dogmas.

Pushkin, there is no evidence of Hitler condemning Nietzsche and Schopenhauer [both ATHEISTIC philosophers] - so why do claim that there is?

Produce your evidence!

The Third Reich allowed a variety of opinions to form and there were dissenting views. So while some N-S no doubt had some qualms about certain aspects of Nietzsche's philosophy, this is not true of the important figures in N-S philosophy, such as Hitler, Rosenberg and Heidegger.

However, no such quibbles can be found as regarding Schopenhauer who was the favourite philosopher of both Wagner and Hitler, and so CENTRAL to NSDAP philosophy.

Hitler read Schopenhauer constantly throughout WWI, and Hitler's secretary says that the Fuhrer was in the habit of quoting Schopenhauer from memory.

Schopenhauer's philosophy of Will [taken in another direction by Nietzsche's Will to Power] was central to NSDAP Philosophy.

National Socialism is a doctrine of WILL, and Hitler was its perfect personification.
Christianity, by its normal interpretation, is not a religion of Will - far from it!

gorgeousgal2k2
Wednesday, February 18th, 2004, 11:06 PM
Hitler actually planned to destroy Christianity.

From William Shirer's book - the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (written by a non jew - his words not mine) it describes how Hitler planned to set up a "National Reich Church" in a 30 step plan after the war, where Mein Kampf was read from instead of the bible - ("to the Fuhrer and therefore to God the most sacred book") swastikas were to be hung around the church hall and priests and pastors were to be killed and replaced by "National Reich orators"...hmm, doesn't sound too Christian now does it?

There was also a "German Christian" movement in Nazi Germany which demanded that "the teachings of Jesus be re-written to comply completely with the demands of National Socialism" and that the "old testament, with its tales of cattle merchants and pimps, be removed"...

mmm, wonderful God-fearing Christian nazis! ;)

Moody
Thursday, February 19th, 2004, 06:07 PM
Hitler actually planned to destroy Christianity.

From William Shirer's book - the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich (written by a non jew - his words not mine) it describes how Hitler planned to set up a "National Reich Church" in a 30 step plan after the war, where Mein Kampf was read from instead of the bible - ("to the Fuhrer and therefore to God the most sacred book") swastikas were to be hung around the church hall and priests and pastors were to be killed and replaced by "National Reich orators"...hmm, doesn't sound too Christian now does it?

There was also a "German Christian" movement in Nazi Germany which demanded that "the teachings of Jesus be re-written to comply completely with the demands of National Socialism" and that the "old testament, with its tales of cattle merchants and pimps, be removed"...

mmm, wonderful God-fearing Christian nazis! ;)

But then there are plenty of positive mentions of Christianity in Mein Kampf; so if MK was to replace the Bible, there would still have been an undercurrent of Christianity - Positive Christianity [i.e., an Aryan version of Christianity].

So while there is evidence that Hitler wanted a Germanised Christianity, this is not to say that Christianity would have been eliminated.
Look how Christianity was altered by the English with their breakaway Church of England all those centuries ago.

No doubt a kind of 'Nazi Xtianity' would have evolved, but I feel that this would have been a synthesising movement and would have incorporated pro-Aryan elements from paganism etc.,
Essentially, religion was to be a matter of private conscience as long as the religion was not anti-Aryan.

Along these lines, I would like to ask the Catholics here what they think of Protestants ...

Hitler took a dim view of sectarianism which pits Aryan against Aryan [as in Ulster today].

In all of this, remember that the most important aspect of N-S is BLOOD AND SOIL - religious denominations must take a back-seat to that.

gorgeousgal2k2
Thursday, February 19th, 2004, 06:10 PM
Actually in many places the Church of England is different only in name to the Catholic Church. Ever been to Walsingham? :D

There is a world of difference between allowing divorce and replacing the bible.

remove the key elements of christianity and it can't be called christianity any more. Same goes for any religion which is why calling Christianity a "jewish religion" is such a hopeless deluded thing to say.

Moody
Thursday, February 19th, 2004, 06:42 PM
Actually in many places the Church of England is different only in name to the Catholic Church. Ever been to Walsingham? :D

There is a world of difference between allowing divorce and replacing the bible.

You miss the historical context.
Even the most MINUTE differences in doctrine could lead to a burning back then.
Tyndale was burnt for the sin of translating the Bible into English - wars were fought over the most subtle differences of Biblical interpretation.
Look at the persecution of heresy! - heresies which to us seem so trivial in their divergence from the mainstream that we cannot understand why men and women would kill each other over them.

When the Pope was removed as sole authority and replaced by the English Monarch, this lead to the Pope urging Catholic states to make war with England - witness Spain's Armada!

So in religious terms the Reformation was a far more revolutionary change than any 'German Christianity' of the Third Reich!

The reason is not hard to find - in the 15th century religion dominated European politics; by the 20th century, it didn't [and this is what Pushkin etc., will never understand]. So much so that Goering could dismiss the Pope with - "how many divisions does he have?"

So Nazism was not a religious reformation but a POLITICAL one.
In that context, Christianity is not so ... important.

gorgeousgal2k2
Thursday, February 19th, 2004, 06:47 PM
i know religion dominated european politics.

its ridiculous to us today but come on most reasonable people now - not then - would call a christian a christian whether they were catholics protestants or whatever.

jehovahs witnesses and certain cults are not considered christian even tho they think of themselves as christians today.

its the same with this so called national reich church. people would never accept it as christian and they would just laugh at you if you tried to give yourself that label.

Moody
Thursday, February 19th, 2004, 07:12 PM
i know religion dominated european politics.

its ridiculous to us today but come on most reasonable people now - not then - would call a christian a christian whether they were catholics protestants or whatever.

jehovahs witnesses and certain cults are not considered christian even tho they think of themselves as christians today.

its the same with this so called national reich church. people would never accept it as christian and they would just laugh at you if you tried to give yourself that label.

Again I must disagree with you.
ALL religions began as cults.
When Moses was alive, when Jesus was alive, when Mohammed was alive - people laughed at these leaders and their followers.
These Semitic cults had to FIGHT for survival - they had to WADE IN BLOOD.

Once their leaders had died, then they had to face the test of survival - that is what sees a cult become a religion.

Please differentiate between cults and sects - Jehovah's Witness is a sect.
All religions have sects around and upon them like so many parasites - so be it.

Germanic Xtianity may have been seen as a sect [we can only speculate here]; however, the main thrust of my argument is that this sect would not have been the most important aspect of Nazism.
Nazism itself was the cult - the cult of the Leader.

With the Leader's apotheosis in 1945 on Walpurgist Night, then Nazism was poised to become a religion.

A century is the test - if by 2045 Nazism is dead, then it died a cult.
If however, it still exists, as it does, then it would have become that thing - a modern political religion.

Indestructible.

gorgeousgal2k2
Thursday, February 19th, 2004, 07:19 PM
LMFAO :D

well exactly if Nazism was the cult of the leader then "german christianity" can hardly be called christian - it's a sect of nazism...

Nazism as it was in germany is not exactly a religion. I wouldn't call it that. It's a bizarre cult based on the worship of one man. I don't think that any of the WN movements are as devoted to their leaders today as the Nazis were to Hitler. And not all "nazis" today actually admire hitler - although there is a very big Hitler obsession in the far right movement. I don't think it's a religion though. And some of these guys actually just worship their own hate and don't actually think much about hitler or anything like that.

Taras Bulba
Thursday, February 19th, 2004, 07:23 PM
The reason is not hard to find - in the 15th century religion dominated European politics; by the 20th century, it didn't [and this is what Pushkin etc., will never understand]. So much so that Goering could dismiss the Pope with - "how many divisions does he have?"


:rotfl You're not serious are you?? Everybody knows that quote was uttered by STALIN not Goering. Goering, along with Eckart, Goebbels, Buch, Striecher, Koch, etc claimed that Christianity and NS were strongly connected. In December 1935, Goebbels made a public mocking any notion that NS had anything to do with either paganism or Nietszche.

Hitler himself made strong remarks about the importance of Christianity on NS thinking. "Hitler's Table Talks" even records Hitler saying positive things about Jesus and his teachings as late as November 1944, just a few months before his death.

Although since you brought that quote up, the Pope made a reply to Stalin saying that Stalin would meet his division soon enough(ie when he was dead).

Moody
Thursday, February 19th, 2004, 07:24 PM
remove the key elements of christianity and it can't be called christianity any more. Same goes for any religion which is why calling Christianity a "jewish religion" is such a hopeless deluded thing to say.

There may some disagreement about 'key elements'.

If we look at the idea of a Messiah/Saviour as being key, then German Christianity would have retained this 'key element'.

Of course, it will be argued by Aryanised Christians that the Jews STOLE this Aryan religion of the Saviour and then Judaised it.
The Christianity of today's Churches is Judaised due to this usurpation.

It was the Jews who were deluded - it was not they who were God's chosen, but the Aryans!

The Saviour must then be an Aryan!

The whole point is not to tediously to go on calling Christianity Jewish, but to ERADICATE all the Jewish elements that cling to Christianity - these elements are not 'key'.
Jews like Paul - that hater of sensuality - must be called out, and those Christians who worship him be shown the door.
The Fuhrer is a better man than this 'Paul'!

Indeed, National Socialism is itself the New Covenant between the Aryan God and His Chosen Race - the Sons of the Sun.

Aryanism IS the key element of Christianity.

gorgeousgal2k2
Thursday, February 19th, 2004, 07:32 PM
no, no, nooooooooooooooooo :headbang :D I think that the bible is a pretty key element of christianity - replacing it with mein kampf means you're making it into a different religion...

How could the Jews have "stolen this Aryanised religion of the saviour and Judaised it" whatever Judaised means - if they have been the ones who the Christian leaders have hated for 2000 years? does "judaised" mean that the christians think jesus is more important than hitler? :D

I thought the whole idea of Christianity was that there was no chosen people any more? lol

I don't think Christians worship Paul and he wasn't one of ours, he was a roman, sorry to dissapoint ya :D

Moody
Friday, February 20th, 2004, 06:27 PM
Yes Pushkin - I was joking; I would NEVER quote Stalin!
The point is made strongly though - the Pope had less political power in the the 20th century than he did in the 15th [that was in reply to gorgeousgalg2k2's objection anyway].

Since you respond there, Pushkin, how about responding to my direct questions to you; where did Hitler condemn the theories of Schopenhauer and Nietzsche?
Also, what do Catholics think of Protestants?
To answer your own points - yes, I don't deny that many N-S were positive about Christianity - but some important N-S weren't - such as Bormann, Darre and Rosenberg. Didn't make them or the pro-Christians any less N-S

gorgeousgal2k2 - since Mein Kampf refers to the Bible, the Bible would have to be retained but be SUPPLEMENTED by Hitler's own Testament.
So this Positive Christianity would be based on an Aryanised Christianity [cf., Book of Mormon].

Monotheism and the concept of a Saviour/Messiah is found among Aryans before it is found among Semites [the Persian Zarathustra is the best example]; indeed it seems that the Jews picked up these concepts whilst 'sojourning' amongst other peoples.

'Judaising' simply means changing the saviour from being an Aryan in the original to being a Jew in the re-run.

The CHRISTIAN Bible speaks of the Jews as a Chosen People, and Jesus and Paul were Jews [Paul's real name was Saul].

Taras Bulba
Tuesday, March 23rd, 2004, 07:29 PM
http://www.vanguardnewsnetwork.com/lettersOct-Nov03/30704westphaliabookrev.htm

Book Review: Positive Christianity in the Third Reich

by Westphalia

7 March 2004

[Positive Christianity in the Third Reich, Dr. Cajus Fabricius, 1937]

I dedicate this to our Eternal Father and the memory of Adolf Hitler

Christianity, National Socialism. Jesus Christ, Adolf Hitler. Many people are convinced they are not compatible. However, these individuals are deceived by Living Demons -- those who call themselves Jews. National Socialism and Christianity are not only compatible, but complementary. Without understanding this essential Truth, there can never be any true understanding of National Socialism. The fact is there were more Christian churches built in National Socialist Germany than at any other time in German history. The fact is Adolf Hitler was a devout Christian, one of the greatest Christians of all time, who led his nation from abject ruin to unparalleled Aryan achievement, until his people were annihilated by Anglo-Soviet Communism. In Dr. Fabricius's short book, he demonstrates how Positive Christianity, as stated in the NSDAP Party Program, Point 24, was the foundation of National Socialism, and how National Socialism achieved such awesome success because of Christianity, not in spite of it. I hereby present you with a review of Positive Christianity in the Third Reich, by Dr. Cajus Fabricius, Professor of Theology, devout Christian and National Socialist.

"We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the moral feelings of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession. It combats the Jewish-materialist spirit within us and without us, and is convinced that our nation can only achieve permanent health from within on the principle: THE COMMON INTEREST BEFORE SELF"

- Point 24 of the Program of the National Socialist Party

Adolf Hitler knew that by inserting the phrase 'Positive Christianity' into the NSDAP Party Program he was endorsing true Christianity. When Dr. Fabricius wrote his thesis, there was much misconception in the world, promoted by the Jews and their lackeys, that the Third Reich was anti-Christian, or pagan. He wrote Positives Christentum in neuen Staat to dispell these Jewish lies and to clearly establish that National Socialism was predicated on true Christianity. In fact, right after the German edition of this book was published in 1935, the Fuehrer spoke to the Reichstag and thanked Almighty God for His grace manifested in the uprising of the German Volk.

Fabricius demonstrates how Hitler repeatedly affirmed Positive Christianity in his speeches, particularly in January 30th, August 17th, and 26th of 1935, and Fabricius shows that by Positive Christianity Hitler meant the Christianity of the two great churches - the Protestant and Roman Catholic. Hitler also called upon these Christian Churches to do everything in their power to make the moral forces of the Gospel Message effectual influences in the life of the German nation. Furthermore, he made it perfectly clear that National Socialism had nothing in common with "people in bear-skins," or those who would foist neo-pagan cult experiments upon the German people. In addition, Fabricius shows how the Fuhrer emphatically rejected the godlessness of Jewish Bolshevism, contrasting it with with the fact that in National Socialist Germany the churches had not been turned into places of secular amusement.

Fabricius was a theologian and a convinced National Socialist, and he felt he needed to address Christianity in the Third Reich because even after Hitler took power, evil forces were leading young German minds astray and driving a wedge between Christianity and National Socialism. Fabricius was an official within the State, and a political leader within the Party, and one would think that his religious convictions would clash. However, Dr. Fabricius refutes this:

"My religious duties and political duties do not clash . . . but rather the one supplements the other, and both stand together in complete harmony. Indeed, they do more than this: In my own and thought, Christianity and National Socialism are closely knit together. And because I am a Christian and a a theologian, I felt compelled to put on the "brown shirt."

Positive Christianity in the Third Reich is divided into two parts. The first part deals with the religious policy of National Socialism, and the second part deals with the Christian Foundations of National Socialism. I will give a brief explanation of the first part, and leave the second part for you to discover for yourself.

Part I, The Religious Policy of National Socialism, begins with what Christian National Socialism rejects. First, it rejects Liberalism. Fabricius states that "everything that calls forth and emphasizes differences between individuals and between various groups is repellent to the Spirit of National Socialism since it disturbs the national unity of the Volk." Thus, religious liberalism, where hundreds or thousands of churches exist, all with their own agendas, is contrary to National Socialism. Remarkably, Fabricius invokes the Jewish doctrine of Separation of Church and State, which was being used then, like now, to drive a wedge between Aryans and drive Christianity out of government:

"The National Socialist State is no "pagan" holding aloof from the Church as if from the Sphere of what is sacred. On the contrary, the State is lawful organization of the living Volk, of the same Volk that possesses the whole of temporal culture, and with it, Religion. In the Volk too, the organization of the State must naturally be in living, reciprocal connection with the organizations of all other spheres of culture, including the Church . . . A policy of aloofness and alienation with regard to the relations between Church and State would indeed be most disastrous."

Second, National Socialism rejected Attacks on Christianity. Dr. Fabricius states, "More alien to the essence of National Socialism than the separation of Church and State is any attack on Christianity." National Socialists believed antagonism to the Christian Religion was more in line with Jewish materialism rejected by the Party Program, and closely corresponded to the spirit of Jewish Bolshevism, the arch-enemy of National Socialism. Furthermore, Dr. Fabricius rejects the connection between Judaism and Christianity, saying there was no connection:

"But nothing is further from our intention than to confuse the spirit of this kind of Judaism with the Christian Religion, and to attack the Christian Faith as "Jewish." Such an act would be in absolute contradiction both to the essence of Christianity and to the spirit and Programme of National Socialism."

Many today who call Christ a Jew or label Christianity "Jewish" should heed these wise words.

Third, National Socialism rejected any attempt to find some new religion to displace Christianity. Dr. Fabricius lamented the presence of two churches, Protestants and Roman Catholics, instead of one Great Christian Church, and he believed the invocation of a third church or religion would be disastrous. "If we investigate the substance of the new religion that would appear to be offered to the German people as a substitute for Christianity, we are filled with a deep and genuine dismay . . . we know the enemies of new Germany are busily engaged in spreading slanderous reports as to how Germany is in the thralldom of paganism, and that Christians are being persecuted by the State for their Faith's sake."

Next, Dr. Fabricius addresses what National Socialism Affirms. The first thing National Socialism affirmed was Positive Christianity, which "is the strong, life-giving spiritual food upon which the soul of the newly awakened Volk is to feed." By Positive he means "the real thing," and Dr. Fabricius says that by "real thing" he means something opposed to what is "artificial, supposed, or pretended. Positive Christianity may be taken to mean "practical Christianity," which is Christianity not exhausting itself in expressing convictions of faith but one active in loving one's neighbor . . . Hence, the Party Programme adds . . . generally speaking, nothing else except the historical and real Christianity is meant." So, National Socialism affirms traditional Christianity, not some new religion or pagan nonsense.

The third section of Part I deals with the Christian standpoint of the Party, and it is entitled What We Stand For. Dr. Fabricius makes the point that any government, no matter what its religious stance, must respect Christianity because millions of Germans belonged to the Protestant or Roman Catholic churches. However, Dr. Fabricius illustrates how National Socialism crosses this threshold of mere respect and tolerance of Christianity, and goes even further to embrace and promote Christianity in the Reich: "For the Christian religion is not merely regarded with outward respect by the National Socialists . . . No, "the Party as such stands for Positive Christianity" is the pronouncement of the Party Programme, and that means vastly more than mere respect and regard . . . Positive Christianity is the innermost life, the spirit, the soul of the National Socialist German People, or in other words, National Socialism itself has its roots deep in the Christian spirit; it is a movement determined by Christianity."

In conclusion, Dr. Fabricius's small book proves beyond a doubt that National Socialism was a pure Christian movement. Positive Christianity in the Third Reich was authorized and approved by the Fuehrer himself and the Party. Dr. Fabricius was a Professor of Theology, a Christian, a State official, and an ardent National Socialist. If Hitler was not a Christian, this book would have never been published. However, National Socialism was a Christian movement and had its roots in Christianity, as Dr. Fabricius so eloquently elucidates. Hitler wanted this book published to prove to the world that National Socialism was not pagan or nihilistic, but was rooted in and inspired by Christianity. I highly recommend that you read this book. Aryans can no longer afford to be split because of ignorance. Although many Germans of the Third Reich were undoubtedly anti-Christian or neo-pagan, National Socialism was not an anti-Christian or pagan movement. It was unequivocally Christian. You can get this book from the Christian Separatist Church Society. http://www.christianseparatist.org/index.html

WESTPHALIA

Taras Bulba
Sunday, April 4th, 2004, 03:52 AM
Jesus is a linchpin of our history...the God of the Europeans.
-- Alfred Rosenberg(n1)

IN June 1937, a thirteen-year-old boy by the name of Fritz Brüggemann wrote Heinrich Himmler, the Reichsführer-SS and head of the German police, asking for some theological advice. Himmler, a leading "neopagan" in the Nazi movement, had formally left the Catholic Church in 1936, but had been lost to Christianity years before. Fritz Brüggemann had also left his church, which meant that he, like Himmler, formally went by the designation gottgläubig (literally "believing in God"). Those designated as "believing in God" did not just avoid church taxes; they were also making a statement about their rejection of Germany's two confessions and their interest in a new völkisch alternative. Still, for this young Hitler Youth squad leader from Schönebeck, a speech on religion delivered to his troop was causing him concern. He was not sure if he had heard correctly, but he thought he understood the speaker to say that Jesus had been a Jew. He wrote to see if the Reichsführer-SS could perhaps enlighten him on this question. He received a reply from Rudolf Brandt, Himmler's personal assistant and a leading figure in his entourage. "The Reichsführer is of the opinion" wrote Brandt, "that Christ was not a Jew. You must certainly have misunderstood the speaker."(n2)

It is puzzling enough that this Hitler Youth supposed Jesus to have been a Gentile, and expressed anxiety that he may have in fact been Jewish; even more surprising is that Himmler, one of the leading antagonists of Christianity in the party, assured him that Christ was of acceptable racial stock. Why would this committed opponent of the Christian religion, an unmitigated anti-Semite who personally oversaw the organization of the Final Solution, feel the need to protect the founder of this religious system from the indisputable reality of his Jewishness? Is it possible he wanted to spare the feelings of a young boy who had a lingering attachment to his Christian faith? This possibility is made less likely by an internal SS memorandum of 28 June, issued two weeks after Brandt's response, in which Himmler decreed: "In ideological training I forbid every attack against Christ as a person, since such attacks or insults that Christ was a Jew are unworthy of us and certainly untrue historically."(n3) He then added: "I desire that SS men be convinced of the worth of our own blood and our past, through knowledge of the actual history of our Volk, the prehistory of our Volk, the greatness and culture of our ancestors, so that they will totally root themselves in the value of the past, present, and future" Not only the person of Christ, but apparently Christianity as a part of German history, was to be respected in the SS.

If Germany's Christian past was to be valued, what about its Christian present? How could an attack on Christianity and the churches, which Nazi pagans like Himmler and Rosenberg were apparently so eager to see carried out, be reconciled with a respect for the Jew Jesus and his religious legacy? What might this tell us about the religious system that pagans hoped would eventually replace Christianity? Were there aspects of Christianity that pagans even admired? And what does this tell us about the lineages of pagan thought? Were Himmler's views on Christ, in other words, a product of his own idiosyncratic thinking, or were there intellectual precedents upon which he could draw? In this article, I will revisit the views of the Nazi movement's leading "pagans" (hereafter referred to as "paganists") in order to explore the possibility that they were not nearly as anti-Christian as has long been supposed. An exploration of their religious views, both their attacks on the Christian religion and their attempts to fashion a replacement faith, will demonstrate that their opposition to Christianity was characterized by tension and ambiguity. Even as they sought to edge the churches out of Germany's public life, they displayed clear limits to their apostasy.

Early works on church and state in the Third Reich, while generally painting a picture of ecclesiastical resistance to the paganism and anticlericalism of the movement, also drew a picture of nearly unqualified Nazi opposition to Christian institutions and Christian teachings.(n4) Within the past twenty years or so, more probing works have emerged examining churches and prominent Christians, especially Protestant, who were acquiescent to or even supportive of the Nazi movement.(n5) We now know that broad sections of Christian opinion were indeed enamored of Nazism. But however penetrating these recent works have been, they are in general agreement that, no matter how pro-Nazi certain Christians may have been, the Nazis themselves, or at the very least the leadership cadre of the movement, remained at best disinterested in Christianity, and at worst actively hostile. The strident anticlericalism of paganist leaders like Rosenberg and Himmler is often regarded as sufficient evidence that the Nazis were going to destroy the Christian churches at the opportune moment.(n6) It is commonly supposed that only Germany's defeat in World War Two spared the churches from a fate potentially as horrible or as total as that of the Jews.

Intellectual history is another field where connections between Christianity and National Socialism have been pondered, and the relationship deemed -- from the Nazi point of view -- at best nonexistent and at worst adversarial. Some forty years ago, Fritz Stern suggested in his classic study The Politics of Cultural Despair that Nazi paganism could trace its ideological origins back to apostate German intellectuals, who sought to create a new national religion "which hid beneath pious allusions to ... the Bible a most thoroughgoing secularization. The religious tone remained, even after the religious faith and the religious canons had disappeared."(n7) George Mosse, in his The Nationalization of the Masses, made a similar argument, stating that Nazi paganists, like their intellectual "forefathers" poured a new secular wine into the old Christian bottles: "For the National Socialist this basic form could not be abandoned, but should simply be filled with a different content."(n8)

We know from more recent scholarship that in fact much of the völkisch content of Nazi paganist thought found a receptive home among particular varieties of Protestant belief, well before the arrival of Nazism and even before the turn of the century. As Wolfgang Altgeld demonstrates in his recent monograph, ideas of national religion had found resonance within Protestant circles as early as the Wars of Liberation.(n9) Arguably, völkisch thought had emerged within established Protestantism by World War One: as Wolfgang Tilgner and Robert Ericksen have observed, the particular theological construct of Schöpfungsglaube, a departure within mainstream German Lutheranism, presaged the same kinds of völkisch theories for which the Nazis would later become infamous.(n10) But as with the literature on the churches under Nazism, we have an incomplete coupling. Whereas Nazism's direct or indirect indebtedness to Christianity is claimed in terms of intellectual precedents, this literature has not widened its scope further to reconsider the question of whether the Nazis themselves may have recognized this debt.

This discrepancy is particularly evident in scholarship on anti-Semitism the third major locus of inquiry where we see a discussion of the relationship between Christianity and Nazism. The question of the origins of Nazi anti-Semitism has of course garnered a vast and still-growing literature.(n11) The longstanding question about the influence of Christian anti-Semitism on later racial -- or Nazi -- anti-Semitism has recently been the topic of renewed and intense disagreement.(n12) A growing number of historians are beginning to rethink earlier assumptions that religious anti-Semitism played no part in the formation of its racialist counterpart. For instance, Peter Pulzer writes in the new introduction to his classic study on the subject: "I am more strongly convinced than I was when I wrote the book that a tradition of religiously-inspired Jew hatred ... was a necessary condition for the success of anti-Semitic propaganda, even when expressed in nonreligious terms and absorbed by those no longer religiously observant."(n13) While this rethinking is gaining currency in recent scholarship, it has suffered from an important drawback: it almost never takes the Nazi elite into account, since their views are usually regarded as providing proof that the movement was anti-Christian. Convinced of Nazism's ideological indebtedness to Christian anti-Semitism, scholars like the theologian Richard Rubenstein concur that the Nazi movement was nonetheless anti-Christian, based again on the statements of Nazis themselves. Unable to overcome this empirical stumbling block, Rubenstein can only argue that the movement as a whole was paradoxical, an argument with which empirically-minded historians strongly disagree.(n14) Among the questions this article will explore is the meaning of Christian anti-Semitism for Nazi paganists, and whether they may indeed have recognized the intellectual indebtedness that Rubenstein insists upon.

In what follows, attention is paid to three of the most important figures of Nazi paganism: Rosenberg, Himmler, and Erich Ludendorff, the famous general who became the most recognizable of Nazis in the movement's early years. While there were others in the Nazi leadership no less anticlerical than these, such as Joseph Goebbels and Martin Bormann, they were not representative of paganist thinking. In fact, not only were Goebbels and Bormann disinterested in devising a new religion, they also openly ridiculed those who were. By contrast, Rosenberg and Himmler both spilt considerable ink attempting just this. So too did Ludendorff -- and his wife Mathilde von Kemnitz -- even though he had been expelled from the party by the time of the seizure of power in 1933. However, while this study focuses on elites, it does not presume a "top down" theory of intellectual history; nor does it argue that these paganists were bona fide intellectuals in their own right. As has been pointed out elsewhere, paganists were by no means the dominant religious voice in Nazism; they were more likely to suffer rebuke from other leaders of the party, not only from Goebbels and Bormann, but also from Göring and Hitler himself.(n15) Rather, the choice of revisiting these "high priests" of paganism rests with their status as ideological arbiters of their movement. As Ian Kershaw points out in a slightly different context, zealous Nazis existed in all ranks of the party, but only those who displayed ideological commitment by "working towards the Führer" could achieve elite status.(n16) In the same way, when paganists lower down the ranks of the party came into conflict with the paganist "leadership" that leadership would prevail by dint of its overall power position. According to the logic of Nazi meritocracy, its closer proximity to Hitler had already demonstrated the purity of their ideological position. In other words, the choice of these individuals is not based on the presumption that they were the greatest intellects of the paganist movement, but rather that they ranked among the most powerful Nazis who were paganist. As an inquiry into Nazi ideology, this is not an exegetical focus on these individuals' own ideas; I do not ascribe the invention of paganist ideology to this leadership, but rather its articulation.

Erich Ludendorff was arguably the first paganist of the Nazi movement and easily the most recognizable of all early Nazis. After his abdication of his duties at the end of World War One, Ludendorff almost immediately became involved in the völkisch movement. It is perhaps no coincidence that one of the men most responsible for Germany's surrender would become a leading propagandist of the "stab-in-the-back" legend (Dolchstosslegende) almost immediately thereafter. Ludendorff took part in the failed Kapp Putsch of 1920, shortly afterward becoming a figurehead of the Nazi movement and taking part in the failed Hitler Putsch of 1923. During Hitler's brief imprisonment, Ludendorff attempted a takeover of the NSDAP with a new National Socialist Freedom Party (NSFP), which fought with another splinter group, Julius Streicher's Greater German Peoples' Community, for the mantle of Nazism.(n17)

It was during this time that Ludendorff attempted to turn Nazism into an explicitly paganist religious movement.(n18) As part of this agenda, Ludendorff proclaimed the need for a complete divorce from Christianity. According to his adjutant Wilhelm Breucker, in 1924 "Ludendorff charged Hitler with having expressly based the party on positive Christianity in his program, and sought to demonstrate to him with biblical quotations that Christianity was and by nature had to be the sharpest opponent of every völkisch movement."(n19) Ludendorff's anti-Christian ideology was strongly influenced by his second wife, Mathilde yon Kemnitz. The daughter of a theologian and one of the very few woman neurologists of her day, von Kemnitz came to hate everything associated with Christianity, creating in its place a philosophy she called Deutsche Gotterkenntnis (The German Perception of God). As early as 1920, von Kemnitz had attempted to infuse the Nazi movement with her paganistic religious views, but had received a "brusque rejection" from Hitler, "to whom her ideas and teachings seemed like confused delusions."(n20) In Ludendorff, however, she found a more receptive audience. He used his power in the NSFP to bring Kemnitz into prominence, and at a NSFP party conference held in August 1924, the Ludendorffs attempted to impose their religious views. The main speech of the conference was read by von Kemnitz, who insisted on the centrality of a new religion for the Nazi movement that was anti-Christian in tone.(n21) Like her husband, she believed that behind the international powers of Marxism, Catholicism, capitalism, and freemasonry, the Jews were at work. But even the Jews were tools of another force -- namely the Dalai Lama, who sought to destroy Germany from faraway Tibet.(n22) This fantasy was too much even for Alfred Rosenberg, who later wrote that Kemnitz "made world history into an affair of mere secret conspiracies."(n23)

With Hitler's release from prison, the NSFP was disbanded and Ludendorff was increasingly marginalized, especially after the latter's disastrous showing in the 1925 presidential elections. In the same year Ludendorff founded the Tannenberg League (Tannenbergbund) as an exclusively mystical-religious sect. Hitler had a well-known contempt for any attempt to turn his political movement into a religious revival, regardless of the religion. When one of his earliest and truest followers, the ultrasectarian Artur Dinter, attempted just this, Hitler had him expelled. The same was true for völkisch paganists, either those residing in the National Socialist Party or in rival parties. Well into the Third Reich, Hider mocked Himmler in his circle of confidants: "What nonsense! Here we have at last reached an age that has left all mysticism behind, and now he wants to start that all over again ... To think that I may some day be turned into an SS saint!" Whereas Himmler attacked Charlemagne as an agent of Christianity against the pagan-Germanic tribes of ancient Saxony, Hider declared: "Killing all those Saxons was not a historical crime, as Himmler thinks. Charlemagne did a good thing in subjugating Widukind and killing the Saxons out of hand. He thereby made possible the empire of the Franks and the entry of Western culture into what is now Germany."(n24) Hider was equally dismissive of Himmler's forays into German prehistory: "Isn't it enough that the Romans were erecting great buildings when our forefathers were still living in mud huts; now Himmler is starting to dig up these villages of mud huts and enthusing over every potsherd and stone axe he finds."(n25) According to Albert Speer, "Goebbels, with Hider, took the lead in ridiculing Himmler's dreams, with Himmler himself adding to the comedy by his vanity and obsessiveness."(n26) Hider even approached Himmler himself in 1935, fully rejecting the founding of a new religion, calling it a "chimera." But rather than attack Himmler frontally, he took the indirect route of attacking Himmler's paganist ally Rosenberg, stating that he intended to take action against Rosenberg's epic Mythus des 20. Jahrhunderts.(n27) It was not just for public consumption, then, that Hitler wrote in Mein Kampf:

The characteristic thing about these people is that they rave about old Germanic heroism, about dim prehistory, stone axes, spear and shield, but in reality are the greatest cowards that can be imagined. For the same people who brandish scholarly imitations of old German tin swords, and wear a dressed bearskin with bull's horns over their bearded heads, preach for the present nothing but struggle with spiritual weapons, and run away as fast as they can from every Communist blackjack.(n28)

Two years after this passage was written, Hider expelled Ludendorff from the NSDAP. He additionally forbade members of the Nazi Party to enter the Tannenberg League.(n29) Undeterred, the Ludendorffs continued along their religious path. In 1931, Mathilde wrote a book titled Erlösung von Jesu Christo (Redemption from Jesus Christ), which sought to replace Jesus with a pantheistic adoration of nature. In it, and in her other writings of the period, Jesus was portrayed as an abhorrent alcoholic who did not even die on the cross. In this account, the Bible was a Jewish fraud that destroyed every völkisch impulse toward racial purity. Christians, often innocently unaware of the consequences, were propagating a faith that would lead to the destruction of Germany.(n30) The search for God was not to lead to Christ, but rather to the German countryside, to a divine "blood and soil": "Because the entire world is permeated with God's soul, the German plants and animals are not soulless, like the servants of Yahweh."(n31) Here was a literal deification of Germany, the soil and mountains of the fatherland, which church historians of the Nazi period have often regarded as emblematic of general Nazi thinking.

But if the Ludendorffs represented a clear break with, and attack upon, Christianity, for Erich Ludendorff at least the transformation was not without its ambiguity. While Christian doctrine and metaphysics were clearly rejected, Ludendorff displayed a feverish sectarian obsession reflective of a distinctly Protestant upbringing. In 1923 Ludendorff suggested there could be no compromise "in the struggle of the Christian-Germanic worldview against the three Internationals."(n32) In this context, Christianity and Deutschtum did not apparently contradict each other, at least not yet. At his putsch trial in February 1924, Ludendorff attributed Germany's malaise not only to Marxism and Judaism, which corrupted the German people "physically, racially, and morally" but also to "political Catholicism" and ultramontanism, which he blamed for the destruction of the Kaiserreich as well.(n33) At this time, however, Ludendorff offered no comparable attack on Protestantism. Instead, he made more than one reference to Germany's "Protestant Dynasty" for which he had fought loyally in the Great War, and which he accused political Catholicism and Bavarian particularism of trying to destroy.(n34)

That same year Ludendorff laid out his feelings on the Protestant faith in an extended interview. He was, for the moment, turning away from his struggle against Bolshevism to fight the "Roman Church," which was attempting to conquer northern Germany: "The black threat in Germany has become greater than the red." Ludendorff asserted that he had done his best to rouse the Protestant Church of north Germany to this danger, but with little effect. He emphasized that Prussia was the bulwark of Protestantism in Germany: "indeed, the world has received Protestantism from Prussia" However, since the return of the Jesuits to Germany after the failed revolution, the Catholic Church was making "terrible inroads" into the Protestant Church.(n35) Here Ludendorff was being both critical and sympathetic. While he lamented that the Protestant Church in his view was not sufficiently anti-Catholic, he nonetheless betrayed his belief that, by nature, it should be. Instead of blaming the state of affairs on a weakness of Protestantism, he pointed to the organizational strength of international Catholicism: "In contrast to the situation of the Protestant Church in northern Germany, the Catholic Church of southern Germany is extremely organized and well financed, and under the leadership of Rome has opened a determined but secret conversion campaign." The danger for Ludendorff was clear: if nothing were done to reverse the process, then Protestants would flock to the Catholic fold, making the entire nation once again Catholic.(n36)

Such statements do not prove that Ludendorff was a theologically committed Christian. But they display an unmistakable sectarianism derived from a Protestant identity and upbringing. Instead of rejecting Protestantism as merely another Christian faith, Ludendorff defends it as a standard-bearer of Germany's national struggle against insidious internationalism. However, by castigating the lethargy of the Protestants in response to the Catholic "threat," Ludendorff overstated the case. Many Protestants, especially those in the Protestant League (Evangelischer Bund, or EB), saw the Catholic danger in much the same way as Ludendorff. They even depicted Ludendorff as a Protestant warrior fighting Catholicism's supposedly ongoing Counter-Reformation. A speaker at one EB event referred to the failed Beer Hall Putsch in the following terms: "The pillar Ludendorff threw himself against the sea of the Counter-Reformation. On the 9th of November Ludendorff behaved like a true German and a convinced Protestant ... For us Protestants it is most painful that on 9 November 1923 the Protestant Kahr worked against the realization of the Protestant, Greater German State."(n37)

Catholics also tended to see Ludendorff this way. To a writer in the Augsburger Postzeitung, it was no coincidence that Ludendorff descended from Lutheran pastors. As a Prussian Protestant, he was considered "predestined" to join the Protestant League in opposition to Catholic Bavaria.(n38) A contributor to the Bayrischer Kurier picked up on this relationship as well, suggesting that the Protestant League wanted "to wage its religious-political struggle against Rome with the help of the völkisch party movement, because it is quite firmly convinced of the intrinsic similarity of its own worldview to the worldview of [this] movement." The paper suggested that both came together in the name of Ludendorff.(n39) In the Allgemeine Rundschau it was pointed out that Ludendorff was born in the frontier territory of Posen: "There, to be German is to be Protestant, and to be Polish is to be Catholic ... A sensitive national feeling intimately tied with confessional tradition. Catholicism, the faith of the subjugated foreign people, is despised." Then came a revealing parallel: "Ludendorff is thus a type of Ulsterman, something of a German Carson."(n40)

The same year that he was expelled from the NSDAP, Ludendorff formally left the Protestant Church. In a letter to church authorities, he declared that he no longer believed in the Protestant religion. But perhaps more important was his resentment that the anti-ultramontanist and antimasonic campaign was insufficiently championed by his church.(n41) Given his attack on Hitler for supposedly going to Canossa, we can safely discount his polemic against the Protestant establishment as equally inflated. Nonetheless, in return for feeling snubbed by the church, Ludendorff would later profess his disgust that Protestant pastors, "who were supposed to be especially 'national'," could read from psalms full of reference to Zion, Yahweh, and Jerusalem.(n42)

Perhaps the most important paganist in the Nazi Party was Alfred Rosenberg. More than any other National Socialist, Rosenberg had pretensions to becoming the movement's great intellect and official ideologue. Early scholars of Nazism, taking Rosenberg's self-promotion at face value, greatly overestimated the importance of his ideas for the movement as a whole.(n43) The sheer volume of published works and administrative paperwork produced by Rosenberg and his orifices lent weight to this impression. Karl Dietrich Bracher came somewhat closer to gauging Rosenberg's true influence when he described him as "the administrative clerk of National Socialist ideology."(n44) But even in his role as "protector" of the Nazi worldview, Rosenberg encountered resistance and ultimate defeat at the hands of rival offices within the Nazi Party and state, thus throwing into doubt the hegemony of his ideas.(n45)

By far the most important of Rosenberg's many books was Der Mythus des 20. Jahrhunderts: Eine Wertung der seelisch-geistigen Gestaltenkämpfe unserer Zeit (The myth of the twentieth century), published in 1930.(n46) It is still regarded by and large as the leading anti-Christian manifesto of the Nazi movement. Significantly, it was published as a private work, never becoming an official guide to Nazi thinking like Mein Kampf It never received the official stamp of the NSDAP, nor did the party's official publisher publish it. Given the fate that awaited Dinter and Ludendorff when they tried to make their religious views official party doctrine, Hitler would not have countenanced its publication by the official Nazi publishing house. Indeed, in the same book that put forth a new religious doctrine, Rosenberg felt compelled to assure his reader that he was not trying to resurrect a dead religion and that it should not be Nazi policy to engage in religious matters (pp. 5-7). Most of Rosenberg's opponents in the churches assumed that it was nonetheless the true guide to Nazi thinking -- some even supposing it was more influential in the NSDAP than Hitler's own book.(n47) In fact, many party members ignored it, as Rosenberg himself would later discover.(n48)

Mythus obviously represented the views of Rosenberg himself. Since he remained a "Reich Leader" throughout the course of the party's existence, and belonged to a sizable cadre of Nazi paganists, the views found in the book are worth our consideration. Speaking of the need to create a new religion, Rosenberg proclaimed: "Today a new faith is awakening: the myth of blood, the faith that the divine essence of mankind is to be defended through blood; the faith embodied by the fullest realization that Nordic blood represents the mystery which has supplanted and surmounted the old sacraments" (p. 114). This new religion would place the highest value in the idea of racial honor, which could "endure no equivalent center of power of any type, neither Christian love nor freemasonic humanism nor Roman dogmatism" (p. 514). This Christian "brotherhood of man" was nothing less than an attempt to allow Jew and "Turk" to take precedence over the European. In the name of Christian love, Europe was besieged by unrest and chaos: "Thanks to preachings on humanity and the equality of all peoples, every Jew, Negro, and Mulatto can be a full citizen of a European state" (p. 203). When the Nordic states of Europe were overwhelmed by the Roman south, the concept of honor was overtaken by that of Christian love: "Christianity ... did not know the idea of race and nationality, because it represented a violent fusion of different elements; it also knew nothing of the idea of honor, because in pursuance of the late Roman quest for power it subdued not only the body, but also the soul" (pp. 155-56).

Rosenberg also rejected the Christian doctrine of original sin: "The sense of sin always goes together with physical and racial crossbreeding. The abominable mixing of races creates ... inner uncertainty and the feeling that our whole existence is sinful." The Romans had been racially aware, according to Rosenberg, and so could only reject this Christian crossbreeding: "Everything still imbued with the Roman character sought to defend itself against the rise of Christianity, all the more because it represented, next to its religious teaching, a completely proletarian-nihilistic political trend" (p. 71). Rosenberg was also opposed to the Trinity, which he believed overlooked the spirituality of racial nationalism and led to the "nihilism" implicit in the biblical expression of Paul: "Here is neither Jew nor Greek, neither bond nor free, neither man nor woman." This nihilism led to the purposeful destruction of Greek and Roman civilizations as culturally worthless. Another Christian doctrine rejected by Rosenberg was the "dogmatization" of the birth of the Virgin Mary, which was regarded as a negation of nature. In addition, he also attacked the biblical emphasis on the resurrection (pp. 77-78).

Hence we have a near total denunciation of Christian doctrines. As another of Rosenberg's biographers put it: "If we accept that the basic Christian beliefs are that Jesus Christ was God, that through His death and resurrection man is redeemed from original sin and that the soul survives the death of the physical body, it is clear that Rosenberg was no Christian."(n49) But if Rosenberg was not himself a Christian, how opposed to Christianity was his new religion? Here we are confronted with even more ambiguity than in the case of Ludendorff. [b]For in spite of Rosenberg's denunciation of Christianity's history and his desire to build a new racialist faith, time and again he excluded the most important figures of the Christian faith --Jesus most importantly -- from his attacks, and upheld another Christian, the medieval mystic Meister Eckhart, as the inspiration of his new belief system. Indeed, as we shall see, in the Mythus Rosenberg ultimately argued that Christianity itself could be reformed and saved from the "Judeo-Roman" infections of its clerical representatives.

Unlike the Ludendorffs, Rosenberg believed that Jesus had been an Aryan. Here he followed his most important mentor, Houston Stewart Chamberlain, who had maintained that "in all probability" Jesus had not been a Jew.(n50) In Mythus, Rosenberg affirmed his belief that whereas Jesus was born into a Jewish culture, "there was not the slightest reason" to assume that Jesus was Jewish. Christ's teaching that the kingdom of heaven is within us was a "thoroughly un-Jewish, mystical teaching" (p. 76). The traditional, ecclesiastical picture of Jesus had actually been a distortion of the Roman Church to present a picture of submission and meekness, in order to create an ideal that would foster servility. In its place Rosenberg called for a new, manly image of Christ: "Today Jesus appears to us as the self-confident Lord (Herr) in the best and highest sense of the word. It is his life that holds meaning for the Germanic people, not his agonizing death, which is the image of him among the Alpine and Mediterranean peoples. The mighty preacher and wrathful one (Zürnende) in the temple, the man who swept along his followers, is the ideal that today shines forth from the Gospels, not the sacrificial lamb of the Jewish prophets, not the crucified" (p. 604). Instead of the conventional image of Jesus as the sufferer, an old-new (alt-neues) picture had to emerge: Jesus the hero (p. 414). Jesus was not the "hook-nosed, flat-footed savior" of Southern European depiction, but the "slim, tall, blond" savior of northern European portrayals (p. 616). His entire being was a fiery resistance: for that reason he had to die (p. 607).

Although Rosenberg emphasized Jesus's human, temporal acts over his divine transcendence, this did not necessarily mean that Jesus had lost his divinity altogether. "In spite of all the Christian churches, Jesus is a linchpin of our history. He became the God of the Europeans" (p. 391). Rosenberg made other references to Christ's divinity: in the context of the "Nordic" Meister Eckhart, whom he regarded as both the ultimate Germanic religious hero and the "poet of the Savior" Rosenberg suggested that mankind should be independent of the clergy, made aware of its own spiritual uniqueness, and follow the example of Christ's own "holy union of divine and human natures" (p. 230). Rosenberg even adhered to conventional Christology when discussing Chamberlain's religious views: "A totally free man, who inwardly disposed of the total culture of our time, demonstrated the finest feeling for the great superhuman simplicity of Christ ... as the mediator between man and God" (pp. 623-34).

Rosenberg's frequent references to Christ [i](mentioned far more than Wotan or Nietzsche in Mythus) and his positive engagement with Jesus's historical and contemporary significance revealed an attachment impossible for the true anti-Christian. These attachments signified an ambiguous revolution against the cultural heritage of Christianity. But did Rosenberg admit to this lingering affection? Certainly the existing confessions were regarded as inadequate, especially the "Roman Church," which was considered beyond redemption. Institutional arrogance and a greed for power massively corrupted the papacy. The Catholic priesthood was, in Rosenberg's view, a racially defiled mixture that had infiltrated and infected ancient Rome. He accused Catholicism of superstition, pointing to the "millions" of Europeans killed in the medieval frenzy of witch-hunts and belief in magic (p. 67). In his view, the papacy and its racial contamination had destroyed the Germanic Middle Ages, marked by racial consciousness and productivity. As such, "eternal Rome" represented a "Jewish-clerical 'Christianity'," which propagated the theological separation of God from the individual that Jesus had worked against (p. 396). Rome had blocked out Christ, indeed put itself above Christ, separating him from the people and neglecting his teachings (p. 161).

In contrast to Catholicism, Rosenberg viewed Protestantism with considerably more warmth. Like Ludendorff early on, Rosenberg essentially asserted that the present-day representatives of Lutheranism, through their approximation of the Roman system, had become un-Lutheran. For Rosenberg, Luther's great deed had been the destruction of the priesthood and the Germanification of Christianity. He also regarded Luther as nothing less than the greatest forerunner of German nationalism, racial purity, and spiritual independence (pp. 84-85, 397). His attack on Rome was especially praiseworthy: "However much Luther was still rooted in the Middle Ages, his action brought about the greatest revolution in Europe after the invasion of Roman Christianity" (p. 183). Through his fight against Rome's clerical power, he saved the West from "Tibetan-Etruscan Asian" influences. Here again Rosenberg got his cue from Chamberlain, who had declared Luther "the greatest man in world history."(n51) Rosenberg could not be quite this effusive, however: Luther's shortcoming had been his adherence to the "Hebraic" Old Testament. Although he compensated for this with his later tract, "On the Jews and their Lies," and his declaration that Christianity would have nothing more to do with Moses, the Old Testament nonetheless remained part of Luther's canon (p. 129).

But not all was lost for Christianity. Rosenberg believed it could be redeemed if the Old Testament were removed from its corpus: "As a religious book the so-called Old Testament must be abolished for all time. With it will end the failed attempt of the last fifteen hundred years to spiritually make us Jews ..." Rosenberg went a step further, calling as well for the removal of "obviously distorted" portions of the New Testament. In addition, a new "Fifth Gospel" should be introduced (p. 603). These revisions, however sweeping, did not amount to a total negation of preexisting Gospel. Rosenberg lavished approval on two in particular, those of John and Mark. John held out the "first ingenious interpretation, the experience of the eternal polarity between good and evil," and stood against the "Old Testament delusion that God created good and evil out of nothing." The Gospel of Mark signified "the real heart of the message of kinship with God against the Semitic teaching of God's tyranny" (p. 604). Even the Christian notion of love that had apparently led to racial contamination in Nordic Europe could be salvaged: "Love, humility, charity, prayer, good works, mercy, and repentance are all good and useful, but only under one condition: if they strengthen the power of the soul, elevate it and make it more God-like" (p. 238).

The Christian religion could ultimately be redeemed if it expunged its negative aspects, those antiracial elements springing from "Syro-Etruscan" traditions, in favor of its positive aspect: the "genuine" Christianity that appealed to Nordic blood (p. 79). In some passages of Mythus Rosenberg was seemingly unqualified in his attacks; elsewhere, we see a defense of "real" Christianity and the "genuine" teachings of Christ. Rosenberg cast the religious task of the day as more of a "rediscovery" of Christianity than a rejection. Of the preexisting varieties of Christianity, Rosenberg believed, Protestantism came much closer to his vision than Catholicism. Protestantism in the beginning meant, "the blooming of the Germanic will to freedom, national self-determination, and personal spirituality. Without question it paved the way for what we now call the highest works of our culture and science" (p. 129). Where it failed was in keeping the religious center in Jerusalem. But Rosenberg did not therefore reject Protestantism out of hand. The Jewish elements it retained went against its original purpose: in his view, the Old Testament had been "smuggled" into an initially individualistic faith (p. 128).

The precise medium through which Rosenberg would overcome Christianity's drawbacks was the appropriation of Meister Eckhart. Rosenberg regarded Eckhart as "the greatest apostle of the Nordic West [who] gave us our religion ... who awoke God in our hearts, that the 'Kingdom of Heaven is within us'" (pp. 218-19). For Rosenberg, it was Meister Eckhart's era of the thirteenth and fourteenth centuries, not the Renaissance or even the Reformation, which signaled the birth of the new Germanic man and his culture. Rosenberg was attracted by Eckhart's credentials as a medieval mystic twice tried for heresy by Pope John XXII and the curia at Avignon. By displaying his defiance of the pope and his rejection of Roman scholasticism and ecclesiasticism, Eckhart was a particularly appropriate candidate for the "new" faith. Eckhart proclaimed that the soul, not the church, the bishop or the pope, was God's representative on earth (p. 219). This emphasis on the individual soul and its self-determination was paramount for Rosenberg. God is not above man, Rosenberg believed, but lives in the individual soul. Rather than "surrender" to or fear God, the inner soul must be totally free, must communicate with God (p. 223). In this way, the individual could follow the example of Christ, who strove for a sacred union of divine and human natures (p. 230). Rosenberg's view of God revealed itself in a direct quote from Meister Eckhart: "God is not an annihilator of works, but an accomplisher. God is not a destroyer of nature, but its perfecter" (p. 231). This emphasis on an unmediated relationship between man and God meant that the clergyman, be he Catholic or Protestant, would cease to exist. However, unlike the priesthood, which would be annihilated, the church was to be sublimated. Rosenberg left open the possibility that it could find a place in his new religious order, provided it "did not prevent the Nordic soul from unfolding itself" (p. 219). Hence his call for a "German Peoples' Church" (Deutsche Volkskirche), which would embrace the faith propagated by Eckhart: "In place of a Jewish-Roman worldview steps the Nordic-Western soul-faith" (p. 252).(n52)

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In short, Rosenberg's ideology was not a rejection of Christianity per se, but a radical revision of it. If, through his rejection of Christ as well as Christianity, Ludendorff represented the true paganism of the Nazi movement, then Rosenberg was not a paganist. Whereas Ludendorff left the Protestant Church in 1927, Rosenberg did not leave it until 1933. Waiting until his party was safely in power does not fully explain Rosenberg's timing. Rather, it was brought on by the dismissal of the leader of the German Christians, Joachim Hossenfelder, by Reich Bishop Müller of the Protestant Church, who considered Hossenfelder too radical and a threat to his own position within the growing storm of the Kirchenkampf.(n53) Until this time, Rosenberg held out the hope that a space could be created in institutional Protestantism for his own views. This acceptance of Protestantism, albeit highly conditional, was presaged in Chamberlain's own estimation of Protestantism as the "natural" religion of the Germans. Chamberlain appears time and again as Rosenberg's primary -- and acknowledged -- intellectual inspiration. As Chamberlain's biographer puts it: "When as a youth in Riga he first encountered the Foundations, it struck him with the force of a revelation."(n54) While the paganist debt to Chamberlain is well known, much less appreciated is the positive reaction to Chamberlain's work that came from Protestant circles. According to a review of Chamberlain's Grundlagen in the Protestant journal Christliche Welt, "this book ... carries in it an apologetic strength for which our 'Christian world' will have much to thank." The highly charged attacks on Catholicism and materialism in Foundations also assured a warm reception among theologically liberal Protestants of the day. While confessional Lutherans firmly rejected Chamberlain's critique of organized religion and attempt to aryanize Jesus,(n55) liberal Protestants found their own views echoed in Chamberlain's call for a national Kulturreligion. Years later, in the Third Reich, it was not only the pro-Nazi "German Christians" who adored Chamberlain. Their opponents in the Confessing Church, a group often cast as the "true" anti-Nazi wing of Protestantism, felt he was their intellectual property as much as Rosenberg's or the German Christians'. In a 1936 article in the Confessing Church journal Junge Kirche, Chamberlain was described as "outstanding among the confessors of Jesus Christ at the turn of the century."(n56)

Even after the Nazis came to power and he formally left his church, Rosenberg maintained the distinctions between Protestantism and Catholicism he had made in the Kampfzeit. He was given plenty of opportunity to revisit the original thesis of Mythus after the churches exposed it to a ringing condemnation. By now it also appeared that he might be a greater threat to the churches, since in 1934 he had acquired for himself the imposing title of Führer's Delegate for the Supervision of the Entire Intellectual and Ideological Education and Training of the NSDAP. Significantly, of the many clerical attacks on Rosenberg published after 1933, none were censored or banned by Nazi authorities.(n57) A comparison of two rebuttals he published in the mid-1930s demonstrates that Rosenberg continued to show a preference for Protestantism over Catholicism as a worldview, even while he eagerly attacked the clergy of both. His attack against the Catholic Church, called "On the Dark Men of our Times: A Reply to the Attacks Against the Myth of the Twentieth Century," was published in 1935.(n58) He dismissively suggested that religious Catholics should stay away from his Mythus, since it had not been written for them in the first place.(n59) He even suggested that it was their opposition to his book that had boosted its sales. He claimed that behind Catholic attacks against him stood a greater conspiracy: to separate the Catholic parts of Germany from the Protestant and merge them with France or Austria. During Weimar, the Center Party was the political arm of this conspiracy, and rightly feared that the ascent of Nazism would put an end to these plans. The Roman Church, Rosenberg claimed, had always used all means at its disposal to accrue power to itself. In this drive for domination, deceit and falsifications became standard practice. For instance, Rosenberg denied St. Matthew's claim that Jesus had assigned Peter to establish a church. Peter's episcopate in Rome was a falsehood, since the position of bishop was incompatible with the professions of an apostle. Roman Christianity was accused not only of hypocrisy, but also of actively seeking to destroy German national character.(n60)

Rosenberg's counterattack on Protestantism, published two years later, was given quite a different title: "Protestant Pilgrims to Rome: The Treason against Luther and the Myth of the Twentieth Century."(n61) Rosenberg fundamentally detached the contemporary Lutheran Church from its founder by suggesting that, whereas the Reformation began as a rebellion against Rome, the current leadership of the Protestant Church was slowly moving back in the direction of St. Peter. Ignatius Loyola, not Martin Luther, was now being made head of German Protestantism, thanks largely to the work of the Confessing Church. Sterile dogmatism and clerical infantilism were replacing Luther's fiery spirit of protest "against Rome and Jerusalem." The Confessing Church in particular was accused of treachery, of becoming "Jewish prophets" through their maintenance of the Old Testament.(n62) Calvinists came in for sharp condemnation, since they frightened people with notions of Hell and self-disdain, and inculcated a "Syrian inferiority complex." Rosenberg regarded Karl Barth as a "Calvinist pseudo-pope" who worked for nothing less than the "Calvinization" -- and therefore the destruction -- of German Protestantism. He also attacked Anglicanism for trying to propagate an "ecumenical League of Nations." Its attempt to create a world Protestantism was similarly regarded by Rosenberg as an attempt at recatholicization. But after this litany of condemnation, Rosenberg ended on a positive note: not all was lost for Protestantism. It could restore its credibility if it returned to Luther's original intent, recognized the "genuine original forces of Protestantism," abandoned the Old Testament, and divested itself of doctrines like Original Sin.(n63) Rosenberg tries in some ways to position himself as the defender of "true Christianity"; his vituperative attacks on nearly all forms of institutional Christianity make such a claim hard to believe. Just as untenable, however, is the widely accepted notion that he was anti-Christian. This would require a tendentious reading of the evidence, to the exclusion of the portion that shows Rosenberg retained more of Christianity than perhaps he was willing to admit.

Whereas Heinrich Himmler would emerge as a committed anti-Christian after the party came to power, during the 1920s he had yet to discover the mysticism and occultism for which he later became famous. Far from being anti-Christian, in Nazism's early years Himmler maintained a strong Catholic piety. In 1919 before he joined the party, Himmler wrote in his dairy: "Come what may, I shall always love God, shall pray to Him, and shall remain faithful to the Catholic Church and shall defend it even if I should be expelled from it."(n64) At this time he regularly attended church: confession and communion were important to him.(n65) He was particularly interested in the writings of Conrad von Bolanden, a postwar Catholic apologist. His only complaint about Bolanden's work was its negative attitude toward Protestantism: "I doubt that the Protestant religion is so lacking in content... On the contrary, it must have good ingredients, but Bolanden won't credit Protestantism with anything good."(n66)

While Ludendorff was waging his war against Christianity, Himmler, who had by now joined the NSDAP and participated in Hitler's failed putsch, was still attending church. But while he enjoyed church life, his attitude toward Catholicism began to change. His diary entries from 1923-24 criticized books on Catholicism that he read as "too doctrinaire" or "fanatical." Of the Jesuits he wrote: "It is now clearer to me than ever that it was a beneficial act of Bismarck's when he expelled [them]."(n67) He sympathetically related the experience of a fellow Catholic who, like himself, was involved in the völkisch movement: "He would like to confess but cannot believe in certain dogmas, thus [making confession] impossible. Yet he would like to, because he considers it cowardly to call the priest [only] at the moment of dying." Himmler added: "This is an exceedingly decent point of view."(n68) Himmler had not yet abandoned Christianity. He attacked the anti-Christian tone of a book on scientific theory by Ernst Haeckel: "the section that ... concerns his suppositions and attack on, and denial of, a personal God, is just terrible." Himmler also read Renan's Life of Jesus and enjoyed it, save for one major flaw: "Renan believed that Jesus was a Jew, and he is from all appearances a friend of the Jews." For Himmler, this was unacceptable: "However, he proves to me by his whole book that Jesus was no Jew, and that Christianity was and is the most important protest of the Aryans against the Jews, of good against evil."(n69) While Himmler would later profess hatred for Christianity, his basic characterization of Jesus as the great anti-Semite would remain unaltered. And following the pattern of other Nazis who would end up paganist, Himmler the Catholic began to have high regard for Protestantism, accepting "without comment" völkisch arguments equating Protestantism with Germandom and reserving his wrath for Catholics.(n70)

Perhaps puzzling in Himmler's diary is the reference to Ernest Renan, who far outside the circle of German völkisch philosophy, a Frenchman rather than a German -- is usually left out of the pantheon of proto-Nazis, or intellectuals whom Nazis read. However, as Susannah Heschel has recently pointed out, particular racialist concepts that the Nazis would later extend upon, especially the notion of the "Aryan Christ" could first be found in Renan's writings.(n71) It was the discipline of philology developed in Renan's time that had originally devised the very concept of "Aryan." According to Maurice Olender, notions of "Aryan" and "Semitic" long associated with the Nazis' own racial categories, began as linguistic concepts invented by philologists in the middle of the nineteenth century. The discourse on Aryan and Semite first arose as an intellectual debate within Christianity, specifically from the school centered around Renan that "exchanged the particular for the general" in order to "restore the historical centrality of Christ."(n72) What began in the nineteenth century as an academic attempt to assign essential characteristics to the ancient languages of the biblical era -- meant as a way of discovering the place of Indo-European languages in Christianity's originating moment -- became a way of assigning essential characteristics to the peoples who spoke them. Chamberlain's own conception of Christ's un-Jewishness, which he described using racialist discourse, found its origin in this new discipline, of which Renan was a leading exponent.

Unlike Himmler, Rosenberg never credited Renan. But the similarities between Rosenberg's and Renan's concepts are striking. In a manner to be directly copied by Rosenberg, Renan insisted that "real" Christianity had nothing to do with Judaism: "The special task of Jesus was to break with the Jewish spirit...[Christianity's] completion will consist in returning to Jesus -- certainly not in returning to Judaism."(n73) Elsewhere Renan wrote with greater racialist overtones: "Originally Jewish to the core, Christianity over time rid itself of nearly everything it took from the race, so that those who consider Christianity to be the Aryan religion are in many respects correct." Renan stipulated furthermore that the genius of Christianity was only expressed in the European race. If Rosenberg insisted that Jesus became the "God of the Europeans," Renan had done so some sixty years before: "Christianity improved itself by moving farther and farther away from Judaism and seeing to it that the genius of the Indo-European race triumphed within its blossom." Even Rosenberg's call for a "fifth gospel" was strikingly close to Renan's conception: "I beheld before my eyes a fifth Gospel [sic], torn but still legible."(n74) Rosenberg's redemption of Christian charity and love, provided it uphold racial honor and reject the Jewish God of destruction, was also to be found in Renan, who insisted that these ideas "come more from our ancestors, pagans perhaps, than from the selfish David or the exterminator Jehu."(n75) Nowhere did Rosenberg credit Renan for having originally authored these concepts: undoubtedly his own philosophical pretensions would have prohibited him from acknowledging the unoriginality of his ideas, especially if they were found to have originated in a Frenchman. At the very least, however, the proximity of Rosenberg's ideas to Renan's means that proof of paganist hostility to Christianity cannot be found in their Nordic mania, racialist Judeophobia, or call for a "Fifth Gospel."

If he still considered himself in some sense Christian during the Kampfzeit, Himmler would emerge after the "seizure of power" as a leading anti-Christian in the party. As the Reichsführer SS and Chief of German Police, he was immeasurably more powerful than Rosenberg. Whereas Rosenberg's star would continue to fall during the course of the Third Reich, Himmler's would continue to rise: the height of his power came in 1943, when he added the portfolio of Reich Interior Minister to his other titles. After 1933 Rosenberg said of Himmler: "Our thoughts ran along similar lines; he always stressed that his attitude was close to mine."(n76) They and other paganists, most notably Richard Walther Darré, romanticized the peasantry and German prehistory, which Himmler interpreted as an Aryan struggle against malevolent Jewish-Roman forces. In 1934, Rosenberg noted with approval how Himmler's SS, "together with the peasant leadership, openly educates its men ... in an anti-Christian fashion."(n77) Himmler viewed the SS as something of a new priesthood or knight's order. Two Christian bodies were directly referred to when Himmler conceived the organizational é1an of his SS. One was the Teutonic Knights, the order of crusaders that had led a Christian "civilizing mission" in the east? The other was the Jesuits, which drew even more admiration from Himmler for the zeal for their cause and the "totality" and impermeability of their hierarchical structure.(n79) On its face, however, this admiration was limited to the form of these brotherhoods, not their content. Indeed, in the SS the form was to be explicitly emptied of its Christian content and filled with something professedly anti-Christian.(n80) In this sense, a revealing parallel is found in Himmler's attitude toward the Jehovah's Witnesses; he admired their style -- their tenacity and brotherhood -- but so hated what they stood for that he put them in the concentration camps as "enemies of the Reich."(n81)

While Himmler apparently had nothing more to do with his original faith, he still retained a deep religiosity. In 1935 he professed belief in "a Lord God who stands over us, who made us and our Fatherland, our Volk and the earth, and sent us our Führer."(n82) References to "Lord God" notwithstanding, he professed that his new religion would serve as a replacement for Christianity: "[O]ur business is to spread the knowledge of the race in the life of our Volk and to impress it upon the hearts and heads of all, down to the very youngest, as our German gospel."(n83) To an assembly of the SS he publicly stated that Christianity would play no part in the organization: "The guideline for us in our struggle is neither the Old nor the New Testament, but the political testament of Adolf Hitler."(n84) At a private speech in Berlin he was even more blunt: "We must finish with Christianity."(n85) He viewed the witch hunts that the Catholic Church propagated in the Middle Ages as part of a Judeo-Catholic race war against Germanic blood -- a view no doubt conditioned by his discovery that an ancestor had been burned as a witch in the seventeenth century. Himmler went so far as to assign a special SD-Referat in the SS to examine this subject.(n86) He also poured his derision on the Catholic priesthood, which he denounced as a "homosexual erotic men's league."(n87)

In place of Christianity, Himmler advocated ancestor worship and a myth of "Blood and Soil" both of which stood opposed to Christian dogma,(n88) and belief in immortality and an omnipotent God, whose anti-Christian credentials were considerably more uncertain. The question of what concrete form this replacement faith would take led Himmler down several roads. One was an adoration of the ancient King Heinrich I. Himmler celebrated the one thousandth anniversary of his death at Quedlinburg Cathedral in 1936, and was so enthralled with this medieval figure that he believed himself to be Heinrich's reincarnation.(n89) Another road was the obscure occultism of Hanns Hörbiger, who had propagated a theory of "Glacial Cosmogony," in which world history was a record of the eternal struggle between fire and ice, "linking the flood of Genesis and the destruction of the Teutonic kingdom of Atlantis to 'gravitational catastrophes' supposedly unleashed when the Earth 'captured' a moon in its orbit."(n90) Himmler's penchant for spinning off new feudalities to add to his growing empire extended to this sphere as well, with the founding in 1935 of the "Ahnenerbe der SS," a "research" body charged with, among other things, uncovering the religious prehistory of Europe in order to find a suitable Religionsersatz for the present age. Within the Ahnenberbe was a research section for the "History of the Indogermanic Faith" staffed with "Indogermanic theologians" who were assigned to help devise a suitable new doctrinal system.(n91) However anti-Christian he insisted he was, Himmler's views on Christianity were, like Rosenberg's, fraught with ambiguity and ambivalence. This expressed itself in SS policies regarding the religious feelings of its members. In a speech to SS leaders in 1936, the year in which he formally left the Catholic Church, Himmler spoke of his own family's Christian traditions:

My father, in accord with our family tradition, was a convinced Christian in his case a convinced Catholic. He knew exactly what my attitude was. However, we did not speak on religious points or converse about the political harmfulness and corruption of the Christian churches, about which we were once in agreement. Not once did I touch his convictions, nor he mine. I believe that we must maintain such a position toward those elderly who cannot bring themselves to our path. For this reason I have also demonstrated understanding, and will continue to do so in the future, when someone tells me: out of respect for my parents I must have my child baptized. Please! Certainly!... There is no use in disturbing the peace of mind of those with sixty or seventy years behind them.(n92)

This meant that even the burial of SS men's parents could be conducted in the Christian fashion. For a supposedly fanatical anti-Christian, who showed absolutely no interest in appearing otherwise even when it would have served his party's interest, this was an exceedingly mild approach to take.

Himmler consistently maintained that even within the SS, Christian viewpoints, while not endorsed by the organization, were nonetheless to be respected. Two years earlier, in reaction to one particular incident, he announced: "I forbid SS members to pester, annoy, or mock another for his religious views. Just as the German has never tolerated religious constraint on himself, so are the religious convictions of his neighbors holy and inviolable to him." This pertained not only to the religious views of individual SS men, but also to their conduct regarding religious institutions: "I most strictly forbid any disturbance as well as any tactlessness regarding religious events of all confessions (i.e., processions of the Catholic Church). Likewise, a tactful deportment when churches are visited out of historical or artistic interest goes without saying." Himmler added that this order was to be enforced on pain of expulsion.(n93) A year later he renewed the order, explicitly basing it upon the "National Socialist version of the age-old German right of freedom of conscience." Certainly this freedom of conscience did have its institutional limits. In the same memorandum, Himmler forbade members of the SS from "any leadership activity in any kind of religious or faith community (for instance, the German Faith Movement, etc.)."(n94) Holding a position of responsibility in the Christian churches was thus forbidden: but it was also forbidden for the churches' paganist rivals. (Simple membership in a religious community, Christian or otherwise, was still allowed.) Hence, while Himmler made it clear that he rejected Christianity both as doctrine and as institution, he allowed considerable latitude of Christian expression not only for SS men, but also in some senses even for himself. As we have seen, Christ could not be saddled with the curse of Jewishness. Even to his SS associates he professed a respect and esteem for his family's Christian piety.

During the war, Himmler continued to exhibit the same ambivalence that had marked his prewar attitude. At a 1942 speech delivered to the SS and German police leadership, Himmler spoke of the struggle of the races, and the need to fight off the Asiatic horde. Even while he attacked the "perversity" of Christian morality, he took a favorable view of the Catholic teaching that a childless marriage was the "greatest sin of all." Himmler stated his belief that "the decline in our [Germany's] birthrate around 1900 coincided with the time when the German people began inwardly to free themselves from their very keen commitment to the churches." This aspect of Christian orthodox teaching, Himmler declared to the assembled party members, "we can only welcome from a biological and racial point of view."(n95) Beside the declining birthrate, Himmler credited the Catholic Church with fighting another nemesis of Nazi ideology: Freemasonry. As he put it in 1940 to his confidant Felix Kersten, "Only one power has not allowed itself to be deceived, the Catholic Church. She is the inexorable enemy of all Masonry. It is certainly known to you that any Catholic is automatically excommunicated the moment he becomes a Mason." In this same eulogy, Himmler was less charitable to the Protestants: "Only the foolish Evangelical parsons have still not realized what is at stake. They join the Masons without realizing that they are digging their own graves."(n96) Having heard this, and possibly being aware of his other felicitous remarks about certain aspects of Christian ideology, Kersten asked Himmler point blank: "Why have you at one and the same time made implacable enemies of the Jews and Masons on the one side, and their professed enemy, the Catholic Church, on the other...?" On this occasion, Himmler was evasive, simply responding: "[T]hat is a thing which the Führer alone had to decide. To talk about it, now that the die has been cast, is quite pointless."(n97)

Kersten would have another opportunity to confront Himmler with his own ambiguity. In 1942 he heard of something incredible from an SS leader who had been invited to Himmler's house: "Himmler's small daughter said grace before lunch in his presence. He had gazed at the Reichsführer in astonishment, not being able to understand how he -- so hostile to the church -- could allow prayers to be said in his own house. It argued some discrepancy in Himmler's outlook." Kersten prodded Himmler to discern his real attitude. When he asked how the Catholic Church could best be described, Himmler answered: "As a joint-stock company from which the chief shareholders -- since its foundation and for nearly two thousand years -- draw a hundred or a thousand percent profit and give nothing in return. Insurance companies which always say that it's not in the contract whenever you make a claim are mere novices in the art of deception compared with this gigantic swindle."(n98) Here was a vituperative hatred for the institution of Christianity, but nothing as yet on the religion itself.

Kersten knew of Himmler's dabbling in non-Christian forms of religion and his interest in mysticism, and went so far as to read eastern religious texts himself to parry Himmler's religious thrusts. As he told Himmler: "I've read the Bhagavad-Gita, which you so prize, and other Indian writings and found in them much the same teaching as Christianity offers in the Sermon on the Mount. The Ten Commandments recur in a slightly different form in Buddhist doctrine, in the Vedas and Rig-Vedas. There's no doubt that the spirituality is the same, except that Christianity adds belief in a personal God who judges men after their death. It's the actual putting into practice of this teaching that would really make the difference." To this Himmler responded: "That's true enough, and I've nothing against Christianity in itself; no doubt it has lofty moral ideas." Himmler then proceeded to disclose the real reasons for his enmity: "[W]e have to be on our guard against a world power which makes use of Christianity and its organization to oppose our own national resurrection by methods of which we're everywhere conscious." Confronted with the distinction between hatred of Christian institutions and Christian ideology, Himmler plainly stated that he was really an anticlerical, not an anti-Christian. When Himmler let loose with an apparently anti-Christian statement, "Then we'll unfrock these priests -- neither their God nor their Virgin Mary will be able to do a thing for them then," Kersten immediately took him to task: "But you're surely not opposed to the Virgin Mary, Herr Reichsführer?" Again, Himmler conceded the distinction: "No, not at all. To link womanhood with religion is a noble idea. It suits our Germanic outlook."(n99)

There was even less ambiguity in Himmler's attitude toward Luther and Protestantism, in spite of Protestant "blindness" to Masonry. While still a Christian in the Kampfzeit, Himmler began to adopt völkisch arguments equating Protestantism with Germandom.(n100) Right up until the end of the war, the positive esteem for Protestantism that this one-time Catholic first expressed back then was still felt. In a secret speech to assembled SS leaders in May 1944, Himmler lectured on German history: "Only when the picture of history is placed before our eyes," he claimed, "does our mission for the future become clear." Himmler touched on one of his favorite subjects, the churches, and indicated that his hatred was really aimed at the temporal power of Catholicism: "[If] the Christian Catholic Church had remained what it was, fulfillment of the soul, the mediary to the Lord ... that would have been fine." But the church acquired temporal ambitions, and came into constant conflict with emperor and state. In Himmler's view, Germany suffered for centuries from this dilemma, especially since the Jews had infiltrated the church in order to dominate the German Volk. But after a long period of oppression and persecution at the hands of this power, the German spirit rose up in defiance: "A Luther, a Zwingli, a Calvin rose up, individual voices in this conflict of the spirit. The Germanic spirit protested, and for their newly founded confession they took the name Protestant. [Such struggle] has always been a hallmark of Germanic blood or German blood."(n101) In this instance, Himmler made Protestantism secondary, epiphenomenal of Germanness. But as a signifier of nationhood, both in blood and spirit, Protestantism remained exalted nonetheless. This was especially evident when Himmler tellingly referred to the Frenchman Calvin as "Germanic." Himmler here not only revealed his belief that to be Protestant is to be Germanic, but also that to be Germanic is, among other things, to be Protestant.

This attitude was revealed on other occasions as well. For instance, when discussing the Confessing Church, Himmler explicitly detached Martin Niemö11er from Protestantism. As he wrote sardonically but nonetheless revealingly to party judge Walter Buch: "It is Niemö11er's intention to convert to the Catholic faith."(n102) Just as Protestantism was a marker of national feeling, Catholicism was a marker of national betrayal: if a Protestant pastor stood against the Nazis, Himmler intimated, he must no longer be Protestant. Either that, or his faith - as in Rosenberg's emplotment -- must have been corrupted. Certainly Himmler revealed a direct admiration for the reformer himself. In March 1940, shortly before the beginning of the Final Solution, he held a conversation on the Jewish "problem" with Kersten. Himmler the historian proclaimed that Judaism had infected Catholicism, which in Luther's day the Vatican had been run by "Jew-Popes." But whereas the Catholic Church was blind, Luther saw and understood the Jewish peril: "You should read, moreover, what Luther said and wrote about the Jews. No judgment could be sharper."(n103) This is a clear indication that Himmler not only read Luther's "On the Jews and their Lies," as Rosenberg had done, but believed it sanctioned Nazi anti-semitism.(n104) Himmler held Luther in such esteem that in January 1941 his personal secretary wrote: "The Reichsführer-SS wishes to be remembered at the Luther Archive in Wittenberg after the war."(n105)

Paganists consistently showed preference for Protestantism over Catholicism, even going so far as to make it a barometer of Germanness. As well, Himmler and Rosenberg both claimed Luther's antisemitism as the direct ideological inheritance of the Nazi movement. If their new religious system was meant as a replacement faith for Christianity, a way of pouring new anti-Christian wine into old Christian bottles, the paganists demonstrated just how much old wine they were willing to retain in the process.

Nazi paganists were deeply concerned with discovering new forms of faith, new objects of veneration, which they believed were more suitable to their times. Some, like Rosenberg, actively searched for a new dogma, adulating heroism over humility, racial distinctiveness over universalism. Others, less concerned with mapping out a new völkisch doctrine, nonetheless articulated a racialist, mystical interpretation of the German past. Regardless of their different emphases, they refuted much that was central to Christian betel. But they did not simply rummage through the discourse of Christianity, picking out concepts like "salvation" or "redemption" and voiding them of their content. They went beyond the rhetorical appropriations of Christianity that accompany any political religion, retaining in addition a surprising amount of the Christian content.

Theirs was only a partial rejection of Christianity. By their own admission, the part of Christianity paganists most opposed was specifically "Roman." The institutional arrogance they decried was specifically "papal." Protestantism, particularly Lutheranism, in its intent if not in its execution, was often cast as the antidote; in contrast to Catholicism, it was national, personal, spiritual. If Protestantism after Luther had taken a wrong turn down the road to freedom, it was because "Rome" and "Judah" made it veer off course. Most revealing of all was the appropriation of Protestantism as an index of Germanness -- even by nominally Catholic paganists like Himmler. It could be argued that any attempt to create a new religion in Germany would have had to appropriate Luther in some way. But if the paganist agenda was to create a new national religion that would replace the Christian confessions in Germany, Luther and the sectarian divide his name evoked for the country's Catholics (who comprised nearly half the German population after 1938) would have been precisely the wrong symbol for their purposes. Paganist thought in fact reveals a surprisingly favorable view of Protestantism, one that went beyond mere calculation to reveal an affinity, perhaps even a dependence upon, certain varieties of Protestant thought. If contemporary forms of Protestantism were unacceptable, Christianity's overall renewal could ultimately be achieved with a rejection of the Old Testament and much Christian dogma. But Christ himself would remain in the center; indeed, rediscovering the "original" Jesus would in itself expunge those foreign, Jewish elements found within contemporary Christianity. As historians of German religion are showing with increasing empirical weight, some of the same goals -- most particularly the "nationalization" of Christianity, the removal of the Old Testament, and even the aryanization of Jesus -- were being articulated within bona fide varieties of Protestant thought, most particularly theologically liberal Kulturprotestantismus.(n106)

On some occasions paganists seemed simultaneously to deny the validity of any kind of Christian teaching and then demonstrate just how much of that teaching they still retained. On other occasions, they chose between what they revered and what they condemned. In other words, they seemed to oscillate between ambiguity and ambivalence. Such equivocation clearly precludes them from being considered Christian. But it also precludes them from being considered anti-Christian. So long as the leading Christian theologian Adolf von Harnack could call in 1920 for the removal of the Old Testament as "Jewish carnal law," which "lies below the level of Christianity,"(n107) the paganist attack on the Old Testament cannot in itself be used to demonstrate an antithesis to Christianity. In fact, no single aspect of paganist doctrine constituted an attack on Christianity as such. The elements that made up this doctrine could all, in one form or another, be found within Christian theological departures that preceded the paganists themselves. A thorough reexamination of the exact intellectual antecedents of Nazi paganism, one that would avoid a rereading of only a select few in favor of broader ideological currents, clearly needs to be undertaken. Regardless of what such findings will unveil, what I have attempted to show in this article is that none of the components of paganism, taken individually, constitute an ideological assault per se on Christianity. They could certainly be hotly anticlerical; but too much work has been done on anticlericalism in the modern European context any longer to conflate anticlericalism with hatred of the religion clerical institutions claim to represent.(n108) At a more immediate level, we have seen how the paganists themselves could temper their anticlericalism in surprising and revealing ways. The only solid empirical evidence we have that the paganists hated Christianity in toto is their profession to this effect -- fraught with such ambiguity and even contradiction as to make them far from conclusive. The only paganist to reject Christ in any shape, and the only paganist to be expelled from the Nazi Party, was Ludendorff.

Finally, we must consider the ways in which Nazism itself needs to be reexamined. If the paganists of the movement were incomplete in their apostasy, and qualified in their condemnation of Christianity, what were the attitudes of those in the Nazi movement who rejected paganism? If this was the vanguard of the Nazi "assault" on Christianity, what might this mean for others in the party, like Goebbels, Göring, and even Hitler, who never left their churches? Were there Nazis who in some way considered themselves Christian? And if so, what might this say about the Nazi movement as a whole?

Research used in this article was undertaken with funding from the Social Science and Humanities Research Council of Canada, the Ontario Graduate Scholarship, and the Vidal Sassoon International Center for the Study of Antisemitism, and I thank them for their generous support. My thanks as well to James Retallack, Shelley Baranowski, Carol Harrison, and the two anonymous reviewers for Central European History for their very valuable feedback on prior versions of this article.

Taras Bulba
Sunday, April 4th, 2004, 04:02 AM
Richard Steigmann-Gall, 'Rethinking Nazism and Religion: How Anti-Christian were the 'Pagans'?', Central European History; 2003, Vol. 36 Issue 1, p75, 31p



(n1.) Alfred Rosenberg, Der Mythus des 20. Jahrhunderts: Eine Wertung der seelisch-geistigen Gestaltenkämpfe unserer Zeit (Munich, 1930), 391.
(n2.) 16 June 1937, marked Geheim, NS 19/3134/2, Bundesarchiv Berlin-Zehlendorf (formally Berlin Document Center: hereafter BAZ).
(n3.) 28 June 1937, Sammlung Schumacher (hereafter Schu) 245/2/150, BAZ.
(n4.) Among the very many works on this topic, two of the more prominent early examples are John Conway, The Nazi Persecution of the Churches (London, 1968) and Hans Buchheim, Glaubenskrise im Dritten Reich: Drei Kapitel nationalsozialistischer Religionspolitik (Stuttgart, 1953).
(n5.) See, for instance, Shelley Baranowski, The Confessing Church, Conservative Elites, and the Nazi State (Lewiston, N.Y., 1986); Victoria Barnett, For the Soul of the People: Protestant Protest Against Hitler (New York, 1992); Doris Bergen, Twisted Cross: The German Christian Movement in the Third Reich (Chapel Hill, 1996); Robert Ericksen, Theologians under Hitler: Gerhard Kittel, Paul Althaus and Emmanuel Hirsch (New Haven, 1985); Wolfgang Gerlach, Als die Zeugen schwiegen: Bekennende Kirche und die Juden (Berlin, 1987); Ernst Klee, "Die SA Jesu Christi": Die Kirche im Banne Hitlers (Frankfurt am Main., 1989). An excellent overview can be found in Susannah Heschel and Robert Ericksen, "The German Churches Face Hitler," Tel Aviver Jahrbuch für deutsche Geschichte 23 (1994): 433-59.
(n6.) See, for instance, Klaus Scholder, A Requiem for Hitler (London, 1989), 112, 116, who speaks of a "Final Solution" which the Nazis had in store for the churches. This interpretation finds its advocates outside church history as well. Daniel Goldhagen maintains, à la Scholder, that the Nazis hated Christianity as much, if not more, than they hated the Jews: "[T]he climax of this apocalyptic enterprise [was] the eradication of the Christian churches." Daniel Goldhagen, "False Witness," New Republic (27 December 1993).
(n7.) Fritz Stern, The Politics of Cultural Despair: A Study in the Rise of the Germanic Ideology (Berkeley, 1974), xxv (emphasis in the original).
(n8.) George Mosse, The Nationalization of the Masses (New York, 1975), 80. See as well Robert Pois, National Socialism and the Religion of Nature (London, 1985); James Rhodes, The Hitler Movement: A Modern Millenarian Revolution (Stanford, 1980); Klaus Vondung, Magie und Manipulation: Ideologischer Kult und politische Religion des Nationalsozialismus (Göttingen, 1971).
(n9.) Wolfgang Altgeld, Katholizismus, Protestantismus, Judentum: Über religiös begründete Gegensätze und nationalreligiöse Ideen in der Geschichte des deutschen Nationalismus (Mainz, 1992), especially 165-81.
(n10.) Aside from Ericksen, Theologians under Hitler, see Wolfgang Tilgner, Volksnomostheologie und Schöpfungsglaube: Ein Beitrag zur Geschichte des Kirchenkampfes (Göttingen, 1966); Karl Kupisch, "The Luther Renaissance" Journal of Contemporary History 2 (1967): 39-49.
(n11.) Just a few of the many important works include Hermann Greive, Geschichte des modernen Antisemitismus in Deutschland (Darmstadt, 1983); Jacob Katz, From Prejudice to Destruction: Antisemitism, 1700-1933 (Cambridge, Mass., 1980); Peter Pulzer, The Rise of Political Antisemitism in Germany and Austria, 2nd ed. (Cambridge, Mass., 1988); Reinhard Rürup, Emanzipation und Antisemitismus: Studien zur "Judenfrage" in der bürgerlichen Gesellschaft (Göttingen, 1975); Uriel Tal, Christians and Jews in Germany: Religion, Politics and Ideology in the Second Reich 1870-1914 (Ithaca, 1975).
(n12.) See, among others, Robert Ericksen and Susannah Heschel, eds., Betrayal: German Churches and the Holocaust (Minneapolis, 1999); Gavin Langmuir, Toward a Definition of Antisemitism (Berkeley, 1990); Paul Lawrence Rose, Revolutionary Antisemitism in Germany from Kant to Wagner (Princeton, 1990); John Weiss, Ideology of Death: Why the Holocaust Happened in Germany (Chicago, 1996). Recent works have scrutinized in much closer detail the place of the Vatican in fostering modern anti-semitism: John Cornwell, Hitler's Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII (New York, 1999); David Kertzer, The Popes Against the Jews: The Vatican's Role in the Rise of Modern Antisemitism (New York, 2001); Michael Phayer, The Catholic Church and the Holocaust, 1930-1965 (Bloomington, Ind., 2000).
(n13.) Pulzer, The Rise of Antisemitism, xxii.
(n14.) Richard L. Rubenstein, After Auschwitz: History, Theology and Contemporary Judaism, 2nd ed. (Baltimore, 1992), 31.
(n15.) See Reinhard Bollmus, Das Amt Rosenberg und seine Gegner: Studien zum Machtkampf im nationalsozialistischen Herrschaftssystem, 2nd ed. (Munich, 2001), originally published in 1970; idem, "Alfred Rosenberg: National Socialism's 'Chief Ideologue?'," in The Nazi Elite, ed. Ronald Smelser and Rainer Zitelmann (New York, 1993).
(n16.) Ian Kershaw, "'Cumulative Radicalisation' and the Uniqueness of National Socialism," in Von der Aufgabe der Freiheit: Politische Verantwortung und bürgerliche Gesellschaft im 19. und 20. Jahrhundert, ed. Christian Jansen et al. (Berlin, 1995), 333.
(n17.) Donald Tracey, "The Development of the National Socialist Party in Thuringia, 1924-1930," Central European History 8 (1975), 26-34; Dietrich Orlow, The History of the Nazi Party: 1919-1933 (Pittsburgh, 1969), 90-91.
(n18.) Conway, The Nazi Persecution, 5; Jonathan Wright, "Above Parties": The Political Attitudes of the German Protestant Church Leadership 1918-1933 (Oxford, 1974), 77.
(n19.) Wilhelm Breucker, Die Tragik Ludendorffs: Eine kritische Studie auf Grund persönlicher Erinnerungen an den General und seine Zeit (Oldenburg, 1953), 107. "Positive Christianity" refers to Point Twenty-Four of the Nazi Party's official program, which stated: "We demand freedom for all religious confessions in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or conflict with the customs and moral sentiments of the Germanic race. The party as such represents the standpoint of a positive Christianity, without wing itself to a particular confession": as printed in Alfred Rosenberg, Das Parteiprogramm: Wesen, Grundsätze und Ziele der NSDAP (Munich, 1922), 15ff, 57f. The ideological valences of this concept are explored in Richard Steigmann-Gall, "'The Holy Reich': Religious Dimensions of Nazi Ideology" (Ph.D. diss., University of Toronto, 1999), 34-82.
(n20.) Breucker, Tragik Ludendorffs, 108.
(n21.) Erich Ludendorff, Vom Feldherrn zum Weltrevolutionär und Wegbereiter Deutscher Volksschöpfung: Meine Lebenserinnerungen yon 1919 bis 1925 (Munich, 1941), 350-51. Ludendorff makes no mention of the reception her speech received.
(n22.) Peter Viereck, Metapolitics: From the Romantics to Hitler (New York, 1941). Viereck erred when he asserted that Ludendorff's personal influence on Hitler was "enormous" (p. 297). Nonetheless, the presumption that paganist ideas were hegemonic in the Nazi movement remained widespread long after this book came out.
(n23.) Quoted in Robert Cecil, The Myth of the Master Race: Alfred Rosenberg and Nazi Ideology (London, 1972), 36. Rosenberg's own historical theories hardly revealed a levelheaded scholar. While he rejected Kemnitz's mythology, he propagated his own, firmly arguing that European civilization began with the lost continent of Atlantis: Mythus, 24-28.
(n24.) Albert Speer, Inside the Third Reich (New York, 1970), 94.
(n25.) Ibid., 94-95.
(n26.) Ibid., 122.
(n27.) "Aktennotiz Himmlers fiber eine Besprechung mit Hitler, 23. Oktober 1935," as quoted in Josef Ackermann, Heinrich Himmler als Ideologe (Göttingen, 1970), 90. There is no indication whether Hider followed up on this particular threat. Judging from the continued publication of Mythus, he made no serious effort to do so. However, Rosenberg's book was occasionally banned lower down the ranks of the party, for instance by the Breslau branch of the NSLB: 8 September 1935, NS 22/410, BAZ.
(n28.) Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, trans. Ralph Manheim (Boston, 1962), 361.
(n29.) Albrecht Tyrell, Führer befiehl ... Selbstzeugnisse aus der "Kampfzeit" der NSDAP (Düsseldorf, 1969), 165-66.
(n30.) Ekkehard Hieronimus, "Zur Religiosität der völkischen Bewegung," in Religions- und Geistesgeschichte der Weimarer Republik, ed. Hubert Cancik (D¨sseldorf, 1982), 172-73.
(n31.) Mathilde Ludendorff, Deutscher Gottglaube (Munich, 1932), 20.
(n32.) As quoted in Bayrischer Kurier, 27 March 1924, PolDir/6687/20, Staatsarchiv München (hereafter StAM). The Bayrischer Kurier consistently published anti-Ludendorff opinions, and so questions can be raised as to the veracity of the quotation. However, the paper names its source: the extreme nationalist periodical Fridericus (1923, no. 50).
(n33.) Ludendorff, Vom Feldherrn, 271.
(n34.) Ibid., 272.
(n35.) Bayrischer Kurier, 31 January 1924, in StAM PolDir/6687/65.
(n36.) Ibid.
(n37.) Ibid., 27 February 1924, in StAM PolDir/6687/8. Kahr, an extreme reactionary in the Bavarian government, was at best a hesitant participant in the failed putsch, and later served as a witness for the prosecution at Hitler's trial: Jeremy Noakes and Geoffrey Pridham, Nazism 1919-1945: A Documentary Reader, 3 vols. (Exeter, 1983-88), 1: 26-35. The orator is identified only as "the engineer Herr Born."
(n38.) "Die wahren Ziele der deutsch-vö1kischen Bewegung," Augsburger Postzeitung, 10 May 1924, in StAM PolDir/6687/41. The article also referred to Heinrich Hermelink, who after the war wrote Kirche im Kampf: Dokumente des Widerstandes und des Aufbaus der Evangelischen Kirche in Deutschland yon 1933-1945 (Tübingen, 1950), a work suggesting that the Protestant Churches were unambiguously anti-Nazi. In the Postzeitung article, reference is made to Hermelink's claim that Protestants in Germany then, unlike twenty years before, were no longer anti-Catholic.
(n39.) Quoted in Klaus Scholder, The Churches and the Third Reich, 2 vols. (London, 1987-88), 1: 109.
(n40.) "Mitten im Kulturkampf," Allgemeine Rundschau, 6 April 1924, in StAM PolDir/6687/89. Sir Edward Carson was the leader of the Ulstermen in the first decades of the twentieth century. For a discussion of Protestant sectarianism in the frontier areas of the German east, see Helmut Walser Smith, German Nationalism and Religious Conflict: Culture, Ideology, Politics, 1870-1914 (Princeton, 1995), esp. 167-205: "Religious and Nationality Conflict in the Borderlands of the Imagined Community."
(n41.) Wright, "Above Parties," 75.
(n42.) Ludendorff, Vom Feldherrn, 362.
(n43.) Church historians in particular have traditionally argued that Rosenberg's ideas represented the party's ideology as such. See, inter alia, the various contributions in Franklin Littell and Hubert Locke, eds., The German Church Struggle and the Holocaust (Detroit, 1974).
(n44.) Karl Dietrich Bracher, The German Dictatorship: The Origins, Structure and Effects of National Socialism (New York, 1970), 281.
(n45.) The best account of Rosenberg's many failures in the Nazi party polycracy is Bollmus, Das Amt Rosenberg.
(n46.) Rosenberg, Der Mythus. All page numbers noted in the text of this section refer to Mythus.
(n47.) Jonathan Wright points to some in the clerical establishment who believed "that Rosenberg's views were more widely held in the party than Hider's": "Above Parties," 89.
(n48.) Bollmus, "Alfred Rosenberg", 187.
(n49.) Cecil, The Myth, 84.
(n50.) The very title "Myth of the Twentieth Century" was a tribute to Chamberlain's "Foundations of the Nineteenth Century" of 1899, a work that Rosenberg adored and for which "Myth" was designed as a type of sequel. Rosenberg's ideological indebtedness to and personal admiration of Chamberlain is convincingly demonstrated in Geoffrey G. Field, Evangelist of Race: The Germanic Vision of Houston Stewart Chamberlain (New York, 1981), 452-53.
(n51.) Houston Stewart Chamberlain, Die Grundlagen des 19. Jahrhunderts (Munich, 1899), 26.
(n52.) This call for a German Peoples' Church was unrelated to the "League for a German Church" (BdK), which was a church-political group within the established Protestant Church. While there were common ideological denominators between Rosenberg and the BdK, most importantly their mutual high regard for Houston Stewart Chamberlain, there was no formal contact between them. See Steigmann-Gall, "'The Holy Reich'," 88-89.
(n53.) 15 November 1933, NS 8/256/173, BAZ.
(n54.) Field, Evangelist of Race, 453.
(n55.) Ibid., 236.
(n56.) Quoted in Richard Gutteridge, The German Evangelical Church and the Jews, 1889-1950 (New York, 1976), 35.
(n57.) Heydrich memorandum of 20 July 1935, R5101/23139/239, Bundesarchiv Potsdam.
(n58.) Alfred Rosenberg, An die Dunkelmänner unserer Zeit: Eine Antwort auf die Angriffe gegen den Mythus des 20. Jahrhunderts (Munich, 1935).
(n59.) This was Hitler's opinion as well: Scholder, Churches, 2:112.
(n60.) Rosenberg, Dunkelmänner unserer Zeit, 5-18.
(n61.) Alfred Rosenberg, Protestantische Rompilger: Der Verrat an Luther und der Mythus des 20. Jahrhunderts (Munich, 1937).
(n62.) Ibid., 10, 16, 24.
(n63.) Ibid., 47, 77.
(n64.) Quoted in Werner Angress and Bradley Smith, "Diaries of Heinrich Himmler's Early Years" Journal of Modern History 31 (1959): 271.
(n65.) Bradley Smith, Heinrich Himmler: A Nazi in the Making, 1900-1926 (Stanford, 1971), 98.
(n66.) Ibid., 99.
(n67.) Ibid., 145.
(n68.) Angress and Smith, "Diaries," 218.
(n69.) Smith, Himmler, 145.
(n70.) Ibid., 146.
(n71.) Susannah Heschel, Abraham Geiger and the Jewish Jesus (Chicago, 1998), 154-58.
(n72.) Maurice Olender, The Languages of Paradise: Race, Religion and Philology in the Nineteenth Century (Cambridge, Mass., 1992), 15.
(n73.) Ernest Renan, The Life of Jesus (Boston, 1907), 418.
(n74.) Olender, Languages, 70-72.
(n75.) Ibid., 78.
(n76.) Albert Krebs, Tendenzen und Gestalten der NSDAP: Erinnerungen an die Frühzeit der Partei (Stuttgart, 1959), 119.
(n77.) Hans-Günther Seraphim, ed., Das politische Tagebuch Alfred Rosenbergs 1934/35 und 1939/40 (Göttingen, 1956), 56 (entry for 19 August 1934).
(n78.) Ackermann, Heinrich Himmler, 103; Felix Kersten, The Kersten Memoirs, 1940-1945 (New York, 1957), 32.
(n79.) See in particular Heinz Höhne, The Order of the Deaths Head: The Story of Hitler's SS (New York, 70), 144, who emphasizes Himmler's fascination with and admiration for the form of the Jesuits as a supremely hierarchical-spiritual body, and cites Hitler's view that Himmler was "my Ignatius Loyola."
(n80.) Ibid., 156: "All Himmler's rules for married life were designed to divorce his SS men from the Christian church. A man could only be promoted Commander if he turned his back on the church and declared himself 'a believer in God'..."
(n81.) See, inter alia, Michael Kater, "Die ernsten Bibelforscher im Dritten Reich" Vierteljahrshefte für Zeitgeschichte 17 (1969): 181-218; Christine King, "Jehovah's Witnesses under Nazism," in A Mosaic of Victims: Non-Jews Persecuted and Murdered by the Nazis, ed. Michael Berenbaum (New York, 1990), 188-93; Detlef Garbe, Zwischen Widerstand und Martyrium: Die Zeugen Jehovas im "Dritten Reich" (Munich, 1994).
(n82.) Völkischer Beobachter, 17 November 1935.
(n83.) Ibid., 1 July 1935.
(n84.) Ackermann, Himmler, 40-41.
(n85.) Bradley Smith and A.E Peterson, eds., Heinrich Himmler: Geheimreden 1933 bis 1945 (Frankfurt am Main, 1974), 159.
(n86.) See Sönke Lorenz, et al., eds., Himmlers Hexenkartothek: Das Interesse des Nationalsozialismus an der Hexenverfolgung (Bielefeld, 1999).
(n87.) 18 February 1937, MA 311, Institut für Zeitgeschichte (hereafter IfZ).
(n88.) In a 1937 speech, Himmler declared: "The worst blow that Christianity ever took against us has been the blow against ancestors and ancestor worship": 18 February 1937, MA 311, IfZ. (n89.) Ackermann, Himmler, 60-62; Kersten, Memoirs, 153.
(n90.) Jost Hermand, Old Dreams of a New Reich: Volkish Utopias and National Socialism (Bloomington, 1992), 193; Ackermann, Himmler, 45.
(n91.) See Michael Kater, Das 'Ahnenerbe' der SS 1935-1945: Ein Beitrag zur Kulturpolitik des Dritten Reiches, 3rd ed. (Munich, 2001), originally published in 1974, which is still the only monographic treatment of its subject. A more comprehensive look at the SS and religion is found in Wolfgang Dierker, Himmlers Glaubenskrieger: Der Sicherheitsdienst der SS und seine Religionspolitik 1933-1941 (Paderborn, 2001).
(n92.) "Rede des Reichsführer-SS anlässlich der Gruppenführer-Besprechung am 8. November 1936 in Dachau" F 37/3, IfZ.
(n93.) 15 September 1934, Schu 245/2/133, BAZ.
(n94.) 20 September 1935, Schu 245/2/134-135, BAZ.
(n95.) Speech at the Feldkommandostelle Russland-Süd, 16 September 1942, F 37/3, IfZ.
(n96.) Kersten Memoirs, 31 (emphasis in the original).
(n97.) Ibid., 32.
(n98.) Ibid., 148-49.
(n99.) Ibid., 155-56.
(n100.) Smith, Himmler, 145.
(n101.) "Rede des Reichsführers-SS am 24.5.44 in Sonthofen vor den Teilnehmern des politisch-weltanschaulichen Lehrgangs (Generäle)," NS 19/4014/10-33, BAZ, here 10-13.
(n102.) 14 April 1942, MA 327, IfZ.
(n103.) Kersten Memoirs, 35 (emphasis added).
(n104.) Himmler's claim that "no judgment could be harsher" could only have been a reference to the following passage: "If I had power over the Jews, as our princes and cities have, I would deal severely with their lying mouths.... For a usurer is an arch-thief and a robber who should rightly be hanged on the gallows seven times higher than other thieves ... We are at fault in not avenging all this innocent blood of our Lord and of the Christians which they shed for three hundred years after the destruction of Jerusalem, and the blood of the children they have shed since then (which still shines forth from their eyes and their skin). We are at fault in not slaying them." Martin Luther, "On the Jews and their Lies" in Luther's Works, trans. Franklin Sherman (Philadelphia, 1971), 47: 289, 267. Since Himmler freely admitted to reading this tract at a time when genocide against the Jews was in its conception, Luther's impact on the later development of the Holocaust cannot completely be discounted.
(n105.) 10 January 1941, NS 19/712/2, BAZ. What form this remembrance would take is not indicated in the files.
(n106.) Altgeld, Katholizismus, Protestantismus, Judentum, especially 165-81; Rainer Lächele, "Protestantismus und völkische Religion im deutschen Kaiserrreich," in Handbuch zur "Völkischen Bewegung" 1871-1918, ed. Uwe Puschner, Walter Schmitz and Justus Ulbricht (Munich, 1999), 149-63; Gangolf Hübinger, Kulturprotestantismus und Politik: Zum Verhältnis von Liberalismus und Protestantismus im wilhelminischen Deutschland (Tübingen, 1993), 273-75; Uriel Tal, "Liberal Protestantism and the Jews in the Second Reich, 1870-1914" Jewish Social Studies 26 (1964). For the engagement of Kulturprotestanten with the emerging völkisch ideology, see Field, Evangelist of Race, 182-84, 197, 217, 240, 311.
(n107.) As Harnack put it: "The rejection of the Old Testament in the second century was a mistake which the great church rightly avoided; to maintain it in the sixteenth century was a fate from which the Reformation was not yet able to escape; but still to preserve it in Protestantism as a canonical document since the nineteenth century is the consequence of a religious and ecclesiastical crippling": Adolf von Harnack, Marcion: the Gospel of the Alien God, trans. John Steely and Lyle Bierma (Durham, N.C., 1990 [orig. 1920]), 134-35. For more on Kulturprotestantismus and racialist antisemitism, see Rita Thalmann, "Die Schwäiche des Kulturprotestantimus bei der Bekämpfung des Antisemitismus" in Protestantismus und Antisemitismus in der Weimarer Republik, ed. Kurt Nowak and Gérard Raulet (Frankfurt am Main, 1994).
(n108.) See, for instance, René Rémond, ed., "Special Issue: Anticlericalism," European Studies

SS Charlemagne
Monday, July 12th, 2004, 12:46 AM
Hitler’s involvement with the Church:

a)Hitler was baptized as Roman Catholic during infancy in Austria.

b) As Hitler approached boyhood he attended a monastery school. (On his way to school young Adolf daily observed a stone arch which was carved with the monastery’s coat of arms bearing a swastika.)

c) Hitler was a communicant and an altar boy in the Catholic Church.

d) As a young man he was confirmed as a “soldier of Christ.” His most ardent goal at the time was to become a priest. Hitler writes of his love for the church and clergy: “I had excellent opportunity to intoxicate myself with the solemn splendor of the brilliant church festivals. As was only natural, the abbot seemed to me, as the village priest had once seemed to my father, the highest and most desirable ideal.” -Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

e) Hitler was NEVER excommunicated nor condemned by his church. Matter of fact the Church felt he was JUST and “avenging for God” in attacking the Jews for they deemed the Semites the killers of Jesus.

f) Hitler, Franco and Mussolini were given VETO power over whom the pope could appoint as a bishop in Germany, Spain and Italy. In turn they surtaxed the Catholics and gave the money to the Vatican. Hitler wrote a speech in which he talks about this alliance, this is an excerpt: “The fact that the Vatican is concluding a treaty with the new Germany means the acknowledgement of the National Socialist state by the Catholic Church. This treaty shows the whole world clearly and unequivocally that the assertion that National Socialism [Nazism] is hostile to religion is a lie.” Adolf Hitler, 22 July 1933, writing to the Nazi Party

g) Hitler worked CLOSELY with Pope Pius in converting Germanic society and supporting the church. The Church absorbed Nazi ideals and preached them as part of their sermons in turn Hitler placed Catholic teachings in public education. This photo depicts Hitler with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin. It was taken On April 20, 1939, when Orsenigo celebrated Hitler’s birthday. The celebrations were initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) and became a tradition.

Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send “warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany with “fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars.” (If you would like to know more about the secret dealings of Hitler and the Pope I recommend you get a book titled: Hitler’s Pope: The Secret History of Pius XII, by John Cornwell)
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h) Due to Hitler’s involvement with the Church he began enacting doctrines of the Church as law. He outlawed all abortion, raged a death war on all homosexuals, and demanded corporal punishment in schools and home. Many times Hitler addressed the church and promised that Germany would implement its teachings: “The National Socialist State professes its allegiance to positive Christianity. It will be its honest endeavor to protect both the great Christian Confessions in their rights, to secure them from interference with their doctrines (Lehren), and in their duties to constitute a harmony with the views and the exigencies of the State of today.” –Adolf Hitler, on 26 June 1934, to Catholic bishops to assure them that he would take action against the new pagan propaganda “Providence has caused me to be Catholic, and I know therefore how to handle this Church.” -Adolf Hitler, reportedly to have said in Berlin in 1936 on the enmity of the Catholic Church to National Socialism


How the Nazi Regime converted the people:


a) In the 1920s, Hitler’s German Workers’ Party (pre Nazi term) adopted a “Programme” with twenty-five points (the Nazi version of a constitution). In point twenty-four, their intent clearly demonstrates, from the very beginning, their stand in favor of a “positive” Christianity: “We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession...”

b) The Nazi regime started a youth movement which preached its agenda to impressionable children. Hitler backed up the notion that all people need faith and religious education: “By helping to raise man above the level of bestial vegetation, faith contributes in reality to the securing and safeguarding of his existence. Take away from present-day mankind its education-based, religious- dogmatic principles-- or, practically speaking, ethical-moral principles-- by abolishing this religious education, but without replacing it by an equivalent, and the result will be a grave shock to the foundations of their existence.” – Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

c) The Nazi regime began to control schools insisting that Christianity was taught.

d) The Nazi regime included anti-Semitic Christian writings in textbooks and they were not removed from Christian doctrines until 1961.

e) The Nazi regime having full blown power over the people began to forcibly convert all its military.

f) The Nazi regime forced the German soldiers to wear religious symbols such as the swastika and they placed religious sayings on military gear

An example here is this German army belt buckle (I believe my Opa had one) which reads “Gott Mit Uns”
For those of you who do not speak German it is translated as “God With Us”.http://www.evilbible.com/images/Nazi%20buckle.jpg


g) The German troops were often forced to get sprinkled with holy water and listen to a sermon by a Catholic priest before going out on a maneuver.

h) The Nazis created a secret service called the “SS Reich” that would act as spies on the dealings of other citizens. If anyone was suspected of heresy (Going not only against the Socialist party but CHURCH DOCTRINE) they would be prosecuted

Quotes from Hitler:

Hitler’s speeches and proclamations, even more clearly, reveal his faith and feelings toward a Christianized Germany. Nazism presents an embarrassment to Christianity and demonstrates the danger of their faith So they try to pin him on other theistic views. The following words from Hitler show his disdain for atheism, and pagan cults, and reveal the strength of his Christian feelings:

“National Socialism is not a cult-movement-- a movement for worship; it is exclusively a ‘volkic’ political doctrine based upon racial principles. In its purpose there is no mystic cult, only the care and leadership of a people defined by a common blood-relationship... We will not allow mystically- minded occult folk with a passion for exploring the secrets of the world beyond to steal into our Movement. Such folk are not National Socialists, but something else-- in any case something which has nothing to do with us. At the head of our programme there stand no secret surmisings but clear-cut perception and straightforward profession of belief. But since we set as the central point of this perception and of this profession of belief the maintenance and hence the security for the future of a being formed by God, we thus serve the maintenance of a divine work and fulfill a divine will-- not in the secret twilight of a new house of worship, but openly before the face of the Lord… Our worship is exclusively the cultivation of the natural, and for that reason, because natural, therefore God-willed. Our humility is the unconditional submission before the divine laws of existence so far as they are known to us men.” -Adolf Hitler, in Nuremberg on 6 Sept.1938. [Christians have always accused Hitler of believing in pagan cult mythology. What is written here clearly expresses his stand against cults.]
“We were convinced that the people needs and requires this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.” -Adolf Hitler, in a speech in Berlin on 24 Oct. 1933 [This statement clearly refutes modern Christians who claim Hitler as favoring atheism. Hitler wanted to form a society in which ALL people worshipped Jesus and considered any questioning of such to be heresy. The Holocaust was like a modern inquisition, killing all who did not accept Jesus. Though more Jews were killed then any other it should be noted that MANY ARYAN pagans and atheists were murdered for their non-belief in Christ.]

Here Hitler uses the Bible and his Christianity in order to attack the Jews and uphold his anti-Semitism:

“My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God’s truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow my self to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice… And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows . For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.” –Adolf Hitler, in a speech on 12 April 1922 (Norman H. Baynes, ed. The Speeches of Adolf Hitler, April 1922-August 1939, Vol. 1 of 2, pp. 19-20, Oxford University Press, 1942)

“Christianity could not content itself with building up its own altar; it was absolutely forced to undertake the destruction of the heathen altars. Only from this fanatical intolerance could its apodictic faith take form; this intolerance is, in fact, its absolute presupposition.“-Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is quite obvious here that Hitler is referring to destructing the Judaism alters on which Christianity was founded.)

“The personification of the devil as the symbol of all evil assumes the living shape of the Jew. “-Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (The idea of the devil and the Jew came out of medieval anti-Jewish beliefs based on interpretations from the Bible. Martin Luther, and teachers after him, continued this “tradition” up until the 20th century.)

“With satanic joy in his face, the black-haired Jewish youth lurks in wait for the unsuspecting girl whom he defiles with his blood, thus stealing her from her people.-Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (It is common in war for one race to rape another so that they can “defile” the race and assimilate their own. Hitler speaks about this very tactic here.)

“The best characterization is provided by the product of this religious education, the Jew himself. His life is only of this world, and his spirit is inwardly as alien to true Christianity as his nature two thousand years previous was to the great founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of his attitude toward the Jewish people, and when necessary he even took the whip to drive from the temple of the Lord this adversary of all humanity, who then as always saw in religion nothing but an instrument for his business existence. In return, Christ was nailed to the cross, while our present- day party Christians debase themselves to begging for Jewish votes at elections and later try to arrange political swindles with atheistic Jewish parties-- and this against their own nation.”–Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

”…the fall of man in paradise has always been followed by his expulsion.” -Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf (See Genesis Chapter 3 where humankind is cast from Eden for their sins. Hitler compares this to the need to exterminate the Jews for their sin against Christ.)

“Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord.” –Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)

“The anti-Semitism of the new movement [Christian Social movement] was based on religious ideas instead of racial knowledge.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (This quote is very interesting for it disperses the idea that Hitler raged war due to being an Aryan supremacist. He states quite clearly that he has a problem with Jews for their belief not race. That is why many German Jews died in WW2 regardless of their Aryan nationality.)

“Only in the steady and constant application of force lies the very first prerequisite for success. This persistence, however, can always and only arise from a definite spiritual conviction. Any violence which does not spring from a firm, spiritual base, will be wavering and uncertain.” –Adolf Hitler Mein Kampf (Here Hitler is admitting that his war against the Jews were so successful because of his strong Christian Spirituality.)

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ogenoct
Monday, July 12th, 2004, 01:57 AM
http://skrewdriver.org.uk/nschrist.html

National Socialist Lifehttp://skrewdriver.org.uk/christ2.jpg
In Christian Germany
by Dr. Mike Rose, Ch.D.


National Socialism is Positive Christianity; no matter how many times men try to change it, there is no difference. A Jewish propaganda book was published in 1995 by The Continuum Publishing Company in New York, entitled Nazi Germany: A New History. The author was Klaus P. Fischer, whose effeminate, Jewish, Humanistic views of Germany under the Third Reich should disgust any truth lover. The book is filled with blatant Jewish lies. Like many of the books printed about Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich, this book depends upon the reader being completely ignorant of National Socialism and the 25 point Party Platform, especially Platform #24, which reads:

"We demand a freedom of religious confessions in this state, as long as they do not endanger the nation's existence or interfere with the moral sense of the German race. The NSDAP party argues for a positive Christianity, although it is not bound to any single confession. The NSDAP party fights against the Jewish-materialistic spirit in and around us. We are convinced that the healing process of our nation can only be continued on the basis of the principle that public welfare has priority over individual welfare"
(I Fight, dis. by USM, inc., 1992).

Yet, in direct contradiction to Hitler's party platform, the antichrist liar Fischer states:
"The Nazis, on the other hand, had no illusions about the fundamental incompatibility between Christianity and party ideology. ... The Nazis had a metaphysical hatred of Christianity ... [They] planned to de-Christianise the Western world ..." (pg. 359)

Any intelligent white man can see that Hitler did not despise Christianity, as evidenced simply by reading Mein Kampf. Hitler knew that by safeguarding his race against the Jew he was conducting the will of God:

"I believe today that I am acting in the sense of the Almighty Creator: By warding off the Jews I am fighting for the Lord's work"
(Hitler, Mein Kampf, [Chamberlain et. al, editors, 1941, Reynal and Hitchcock, New York], pg. 84).

"The National Government ... regards Christianity as the foundation of our national morality, and the family as the basis of national life"
(Hitler, Proclamation to the German Nation at Berlin, February 1, 1933).

By no means was Hitler the only "anti-Semitic" Christian to arise out of Germany, as Fischer claims he was. He also writes that Adolf Stocker, founder of the Christian Socialist Party in 1878, was "one of the first spokesmen for anti-Semitism in Germany." Not only is this a lie but it proves that Fischer is not a historian at all, but is a Jew seeking to cloud the truth. Germany has always, as it was a Christian nation since it's beginnings, been deeply aware of the Jewish diabolic tactics of usury, mongrelisation, and eventually, degradation of its host nation.

This can be documented all the way back to Martin Luther. Luther came to realize the Jewish tactics and the mongrelizing effects that the antichrist, Talmudic Jews propagate against true Christianity and the Separated Scriptures, including inventing hundreds of apostate versions of Christianity to the point that people become confused about exactly what the Scriptures say in their original context. Relatively late in his career, Luther came to realize these facts and did everything in his power to warn his race of the facts in the book The Jews and Their Lies:

"Our people, however, should be on their guard against these hardened, condemned people, (who accuse God of lying and proudly despise the whole world), that they be not misled." (pg. 5)

"Maybe mild-hearted and gentle Christians believe I am too rigorous and drastic against the poor, afflicted Jews, believing that I ridicule them and treat with much sarcasm. By my word, I am far too weak to be able to ridicule such a Satanic breed." (pg. 17)

"If I were to baptize a Jew, I should conduct him to the Bridge leading over the River Elbe, I should fasten a stone to his neck and should thrust him into the waters, saying 'I baptize thee in the name of Abraham."(pg. 18)


In the humble beginnings of National Socialism there were numerous groups and movements that were anti-Jew, including judges and public officials. By no means were the political and religious views concerning the Jews and the principle of racial purity something Hitler conceived on his own, but were the result of men coming to the truth taught in the Scriptures by our God and Saviour Jesus Christ.

This article, however, is not primarily regarding the Jews like Fischer who continually lie and promote their mongrelizing beliefs through books like these, but is primarily concerned with German life in National Socialist Germany under Hitler and the Third Reich's leadership. Fischer's accounts are, however, compared to the explicit Word of God, which is the very Mind of God recorded in the Greek Scriptures. Fischer's opinions are blatantly anti-White in his portrayal of Hitler as some sort of Charles Manson and the Third Reich as some homosexual brutes seeking to take away all the freedoms the Germans once had under their former Democratic Government, and he makes repeated attempts to slander not only Mr. Hitler but the entire German race by calling them bigots and racists. It, of course, is easy to speak ill of the dead; to malign them with vicious intent. After all, Mr. Hitler and other patriotic Germans are no longer alive to defend themselves. It seems clear that such grossly inaccurate and purposeful misrepresentation of the facts of history, in short, the wilful lying of Mr. Fischer, is nothing more than the act of a snivelling coward, far worse than the vilest child molester. It is tantamount to a depraved fiend, who, to satisfy his sexual perversions, desecrates a Christian graveyard. Fischer's own words about the way of life that the German people had under the leadership of the National Socialist Government, will be compared herein to God's Divine Laws of Establishment.

All Scriptures quoted will be from the Anointed Standard Translation of the New Testament and the Greek Septuagint (LXX), for we Christian Separatists have thrown off the Jewish shackles of deception and lies. We do not get our "religion" from a bunch of antichrist, mongrel Jews, who not only killed our Saviour in the flesh but still seek to kill God's racially pure children through mongrelisation and other various means by the promotion of their antichrist agenda. True Christianity is not a religion but a way of life, and our way of life does not come from antichrist Jews, including their false, lying, and blasphemous translations of our Scriptures, but come from God. The Jew is a liar and his father is the Devil himself, the original liar. The Jew mongrel is worshiped today by every apostate version of true Christianity and politicians, but according to God, every mongrel, whether Jew or wetback, is worthy only of death. God did not create the mongrel, so it does not deserve the right to exist, since its existence came through the direct violation of God's Word. For more on this, see the Separatist Brief Vol. 3, No. 24, "The Right to Life."

In the mid 1930's, Adolf Hitler began to implement the policies concerning race that the National http://skrewdriver.org.uk/hitlernun.jpgSocialist party had promised since the very beginning. This is something non-existent in today's effeminate politicians who promise, promise and promise even more until they are elected and then institute their own mongrelizing agendas in the name of the humanist United Nations. On September 28, 1933, the Third Reich prohibited the employment of non-Aryans and persons married to them from government position. On September 29, 1933, one day later, the Third Reich prohibited Jews from cultural and entertainment enterprises such as art, literature, theatre and film. National Socialist Germany recognized the Jew as a mongrel, an enemy of the state and the German race, the White Race, and as such deserving of no rights. They also recognized the nigger as an animal in the order in which God created him, not on equal status with the white man:

"It would correspond to the meaning of the most noble in this world if our two Christian churches, instead of annoying the negroes with missions which they neither wish nor understand, would teach our European mankind with kindness but in all earnestness, that with unhealthy parents it is a God-pleasing work to take pity on a healthy, poor little orphan, in order to give him a father and mother, rather than putting a sick child into the world which will bring itself and the rest of the world only misfortune and suffering."
(Hitler, Mein Kampf, pgs. 607-608)

According to Fischer, Hitler declared that race pollution was the original sin and that racial mongrelisation was not only disgusting and against God's Divine Laws of Establishment but was murder against the White Race. Indeed he did. Here is what Hitler said so that you can make up your own mind as to his meaning:

"Blood sin and desecration of the race are the original sin in this world and the end of a humanity which surrenders to it."
(Mein Kampf, Chap. 10)

Hitler and Christian Germany recognized that God's laws were written in the laws of nature, such as the Biblical law which states kind after kind. (Gen. 1:11 LXX). This law applies to people and humanoids as well, for the sixth commandment states: "You will not mongrelize." This translation has been proved in Pastor V.S. Herrell's book The Sixth Law of God, which is also available from Herrell Brothers Publishing House. What do the Scriptures say about this? They say Hitler was absolutely right and had full authority to act:

"You will not mongrelize."
(Ex. 20:13 LXX; Rom. 13:9 AST)

"You have heard that it was said to the ancients, 'You will not mongrelize or corrupt the seedline'." (Matt. 5:27 AST)

"Do not through birthing become unequally yoked with those of a different race or with those without persuasion ... For we are a house of the Living God, even as God said, 'I will dwell in them, and walk among them, and I will be their God, and they will be My people.' 'Because of this, come out
from among them, and separate, mark off your boundaries and cast them out of your society, and do not have sexual intercourse with an adulterated mongrel, and I will receive you.' 'And I will be a Father to you, and you will be sons and daughters to me, says the Master Omnipotent.' Then having
these promises, beloved, let us purify ourselves from all mongrelisation of flesh and of mentality, fulfilling separation in the fear of God"
(II Cor.6:14,16-18-7:1 AST).

"He shall take for a wife a virgin of his own race."
(Leviticus 21:13 LXX)

"And whoever shall lie with a beast, let him die the death; and you shall kill the beast. And whatever woman shall approach any beast to have connection with it, you shall kill the woman and the beast; let them die the death, they are guilty."
(Leviticus 20:15- 16 LXX)

"You shall surely set over you a ruler whom Master God shall choose; of your brethren you shall set over you as a ruler; you shall not have power to set over you one of another race because he is not your brother."
(Deut. 17:15 LXX)

The Jew Fischer, who sarcastically mocks Hitler's racial beliefs and God's Word, says,

"... Invariably ethnocentric researchers jumped to the hasty conclusion that skin colour was the chief determinant of biological and, therefore, social superiority." (page 8)

Hitler and Christian Germany knew God's Divine Laws Of Establishment and Order in God's original cosmotic order of white men, women, children, and Negroes. Skin pigmentation does not determine anything by itself, it is the body to which that skin is attached. Skin pigmentation is a physical sign that is used so that we can discern between our racial kinsman and nigger animals. If man and mankind, those kind like a man, were all God's children and able to be filled with the Mentality of Truth, the Holy Spirit, then there would be no need for skin pigmentation and there would be no need to "not mongrelize" and remain racially pure. God did not tell us to be racially pure just to be mean, but for general purpose. Only a racially pure Adamite can house or hold the Mentality of Separation. Jews like Fischer not only fail to recognize the racial truths in the Scriptures but fail to even see the most obvious signs of kind after kind found in the laws of nature.

Fischer, also a pro-homosexual, comments on the Third Reich's beliefs regarding homosexuality:

"It was also Himmler who set up a central registry of all known homosexuals and an office to combat them. Persecution of homosexuals picked up speed in the late 1930's, and many were sent to concentration camps where they were humiliated, tortured, and killed. Probably close to fifteen thousand homosexuals were imprisoned in concentration camps during the Third Reich." (pg. 388)

Not only did National Socialist Germany believe that homosexuality was a disgusting and ungodly act, but Adolf Hitler would not tolerate it amongst his government. After finding out that the SS Stormtrooper leader Ernst Röhm was threatening to overthrow the new Reich, Hitler and the SS stormed in on the conspirators, and those in charge of arresting Röhm found him in his hotel room lying in bed with another man. Needless to say, he and his other homosexual cronies were executed in what is remembered as The Night of Long Knives. Was Hitler, according to God's Just Word, acting in the defence of his race and nation or was he infringing on individuals' freedom of sexual choice?

"And you shall not have sexual intercourse with a man as with a woman, for it is an abomination." (Lev. 18:22 LXX)

"And whoever shall have sexual intercourse with a male as with a woman, they have wrought abomination, let them die the death, they are guilty."
(Lev. 20:13 LXX)

"Because of this, God gave them up to dishonourable deaths, for even their females changed natural sex to that opposed to nature; and likewise, the males also forsaking natural sex with the females, burned in their lust towards one another, males with males participating in indecency, and receiving back in themselves the reward which was appropriate for their digression ... that not only are the one practising such things worthy of death, but also those giving consent to the practising of them."
(Romans 1:26,27,32 AST)

"Or do you not know that the unjust ones will not inherit the government of God? Do not be led astray, neither prostitutes, nor idolaters, nor mongrelisers, nor effeminates, nor homosexuals ..."
(I Cor. 6:9 AST)

"Knowing this, that law is not laid down for a just one but for the lawless and the insubordinate, for the ungodly and failures, for the unsacred and profane ones, for father-murderers and mother-murderers, for men-murderers, for whores, for homosexuals, for man-traders, for liars, for perjurers, and if any other thing opposes sound teaching according to the good message of the reputation of the blessed God, which was entrusted with me."
(I Tim. 1:9-11 AST)

In today's Western culture called America, women's so-called "rights" to be equal to men are constantly demanded by effeminate politicians and lesbian feminists. These feminists bitch and moan and demand that their mongrelizing demands be met. Through this antichrist practice of usurping their order in which God created them, which is the same thing as calling God a liar, the Jew has successfully deteriorated the white family and propagates the lie through abortions, homosexuality, effeminates and 'sexual liberation' that it is better to screw mongrels and niggers than to raise an Aryan family, pure and unmongrelised in the reputation of God. The Jew Fischer states:

"... The Nazis encouraged large families by curtailing women's access to equal opportunities, criminalizing abortion, clamping down on homosexuality, and discouraging prostitution. The Nazis also offered all sorts of monetary incentives to encourage reproduction such as marriage loans, child subsidies, and generous family allowances." (pg. 354)

This effeminate being, as you will see, belittles and tries to use today's mongrelizing standards in comparison to National Socialist Germany's in an effort to disgust the reader as to the way of life in Germany. This is a hater of God and all that He has declared. Fischer states by his hints and opinions that he is a race- mongrelizing, homosexual-approving, equal rights activist, anti-woman, effeminate God-hater. In other words, he is an antichrist. He is so effeminate that he fails to see or comprehend what a real man is by also declaring:

"Since he lacked the ability to form loving, intimate ties with women, he preferred the company of males, the world of seriousness and purpose." (pg. 356)

This lie is so vicious and blatant that this Fischer should have been denied access to a responsible publisher. Mr. Hitler always had an adoring girlfriend or fiancé. He loved and cherished women and there was always female companionship in his life. It is true that Mr. Hitler put the salvation of the great German nation and the racial purification of it first in his life as a priority, but to say that Mr. Hitler did not love and cherish women is utterly ridiculous. On the contrary, it was Mr. Roosevelt who held women in such low esteem. It was Mr. Roosevelt whose wife was a lesbian, and it was Mr. Roosevelt who single-handedly caused and forced the United States into World War II. It was Mr. Roosevelt and his Communist friends and advisors who took the American woman out of her home and threw her into the Jew-controlled work force. While, on the other hand, Mr. Hitler drafted men and women from the over-populated Slavic nations to work in modern cities with hospitals, child-care, and wholesome food, later to be known as and called concentration camps. But true to Mr. Hitler's respect for the German women, there were few German women working as matrons or secretaries at the concentration of labour camps.

History records very clearly that when Mr. Hitler fought the Jewish Communists for control of the government of Germany, both the man and the woman in the German family had to work from sun-up to sun-down to have bread and potatoes on the table and very little meat. But Hitler changed all of that. He put things back in Germany, that is, put the mother and the grandmother back in the home so they could be wives and mothers. This clearly demonstrates that Mr. Hitler the politician was implementing and enforcing Christian values, policies, and family values wherein women were concerned. As far as the concentration of labour camps, which was the real title for these small cities created sometimes overnight, as in the cases of Oak Ridge, Tennessee, Los Alamos, New Mexico, and other places, history records clearly that Hitler's labour camps were being filled with the backward people of Europe, many of whom who had not seen a privy or commode, most had never had running water, and the vast majority had not had an adequate meal or clothing in well over a decade of an economically depressed Europe, which world Jewry had been putting the squeeze on.

The truth is that most of the labour camps were, at least initially, to prove to be the salvation of a vast element of the population of Europe. As time wore on, they became small cities of readily available labour. The occupants were well-housed, well-clothed, and well-nourished. This is not to deny that Hitler's labour pool system did not, toward the end of the war, prove to become centres for the spread of disease and places of food shortages just like the rest of Germany because of the relentless allied bombings of supply lines and water reservoirs. Who, indeed, was responsible for those who died in labour camps? Was it really the Third Reich, or was it the international aggressors of the Communist and American democrats who were really responsible for what the Jews have sought to label as the "Holocaust" of World War II? Can it not be fairly argued that it was the Allied and the Jews themselves and their murderous attacks upon the German people that caused the disease and stopped the supply lines of much needed food, clothing, and medicine, which the German government was clearly supplying to the workers in the camps for concentrated labour? What if the shoe had been on the other foot and the Germans had bombed the railroads and cut off all supplies to Oak Ridge, Tennessee, and the people there contracted dysentery and a variety of other diseases that go along with a concentrated number of people? Would it be the American government responsible for the hundreds of thousands of deaths in the American concentration camps, or would history hold the Germans who attacked the Americans and bombed their supply lines responsible for all such deaths caused by cutting off supplies?

Now, I will discuss Mr. Hitler's sense of duties and his understanding of his role as a Christian man in God's Divine Laws of Establishment, which is the bringing of God's Government to fruition in a physical nation on earth. National Socialist Germany was a government of the Government of God, an Aryan nation of Christians acting in accordance with the Mentality of Separation, God's Word. No, Mr. Hitler was not a womanizing, effeminate humanist and nigger-lover like Billy Clinton, but he was the 7th member of the National Socialist Party and the man who not only brought that party to a reign of power but implemented its just racial and social laws into every day life. He rid the mongrel Jew from the presence of the racially pure Germans and established the only just Christian nation built on the racial preservation of the White Race, freeing it from all forms of Jewish slavery since Jesus the Anointed One established the Government of God. This was done in 12 short years, without compromising God's principles, and he did not do it by womanizing and being an effeminate nigger-lover. The world is a world of seriousness and purpose to a Christian man, who every day of his life is working in the reputation of God to bring about a just nation, a Christian nation, on this earth. This is not done by some Communist, dope addict, effeminate, faggot draft dodger who is busy laughing like an idiot all day with the munchies. Mr. Hitler was a man's man who knew damn well his position and purpose while on this planet in the flesh. Fischer continues,

"Six of these patterns are especially worth noting. First, males were considered culturally more valuable to the community than females because they safeguarded the nation and fought for its livelihood. Second, the father was regarded as the extension of the king in every German home, ruling by divine right and expecting the rest of the family to obey him unconditionally. Third, the primary role of women was to bear children and accept their roles as homemakers. Fourth, German women were expected to move within a small Lebensraum of their own, the home, but in this limited space they were allowed to hold sway with a very firm hand. Their aim was to maintain an immaculately clean and ordered household. Fifth, marriage roles were strictly dichotomized on most issues. Responsibilities thus devolved on either the husband or the wife, the former being the breadwinner, the latter the homemaker. Shared responsibilities were the exception rather than the norm. Finally, the upbringing of the children was equally stratified since the boys were destined to compete in the world, and the girls were preordained to be homemakers." (pg. 356-357)

So what's the problem, Jew-boy? Fischer goes on to say: "... The image of the woman cultivated by the Nazis was a traditional one of mother and homemaker." (page 355)

Magda Goebbels, who was most considered to be the example of how a woman should act and be in accordance to God, was the wife of Joseph Goebbels, who said:

"The mission of women is to be beautiful and to bring children in the world. This is not at all as rude and unmodern as it sounds. The female bird pretties herself for her mate and hatches the eggs for him. In exchange, the mate takes care of gathering the food, and stands guard and wards off the enemy." (pg. 355)

It must be understood that the Third Reich did not promote it's terms of being beautiful according to what the Germans referred to as "the product of Western democracies," or the gratifying of the face with cosmetics, but the natural beauty of the Aryan woman in her God-ordained role and her God-given natural affections of motherhood. White is beautiful, not niggers and mongrels as seen on every other Jewish idiot T.V box. The painting of the face for hours with makeup was not what was meant of the term beautiful. Fischer has this to say about the Women's Reich Leader, appointed by Hitler himself:

"At this time Scholtz-Klink was only thirty-two years of age and had already had eleven children. Physically, she was the stereotype of the Nazi woman: tall and blonde; she was unassuming yet highly opinionated on every subject, proud, and above all, fertile. She believed her own slogans about women, namely, that they are gleichwertig (of equal value), but not gleichartig (equal in kind)...."
(pg. 357)

So, was the Third Reich and it's general attitude that the propagation of the White Race and the upbringing of racially pure children was a top priority in the health and well-being of the nation Biblical? Was the restoration of the white family and the distinctive roles of men, women and
children in accordance with the Word of God? Only a deceived mongrel mentality would deny it, calling God a liar. There are over 25 explicit verses in the New Testament alone that affirm the Reich's belief in the Scriptures concerning family, and the role of men, women and children in accordance with God's Divine Order of Establishment on earth, but I am only going to quote a few; however, I recommend that the reader study all the other verses so that you may come to a full knowledge of truth concerning this all too important subject. First, we read of the orderly arrangement that God has ordained for men and women:

"Likewise, also, the women in decent clothing with modesty and sensibleness, to adorn themselves, not with plaiting or gold or pearls or expensive clothes, but what becomes women professing fear of God, by means of good actions. Let a woman learn in silence, in all subjection. But I do not allow a woman to teach or exercise authority over a man, but be in silence. For Adam was first formed, then Eve, and Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived has become in transgression; she will be saved through childbearing, if they remain in the persuasion and honourable brotherly love and separation with sensibleness. ... aged women likewise in reverent behaviour, not diabolical, not having been enslaved by much wine, teachers of good, that they may train the young women to be lovers of men, lovers of children, sound of mind, pure, homeworkers, good, being subject to their own men that the Word of God be not blasphemed." (I Timothy 2:9-15, Titus 2:3-5 AST)

"Let the women be silent in the Body Politics, for it is not allowed for them to speak, but let them be subject; as also the law says. But if they desire to learn anything, let them question their own men at home, for it is a shame for women to speak in the Body Politic." (I Cor. 14:34,35 AST)

"Because a man is the head of the woman, as also the Anointed is the head of the Body Politic, and He is the Saviour of the body. And as the Body Politic are subject to the Anointed, so also the women are to their own men in everything. The men: love your women, even as the Anointed loved the Body Politic, and gave Himself up on behalf of them." (Ephesians 5:23-25 AST)

"The men: love the women, and do not be bitter toward them." (Col. 3:19 AST)

"If anyone is unaccusable, one woman and man having children with persuasion not in accusation of debauchery or unruly." (Titus 1:6 AST)

"Therefore shall a man leave his father and his mother and shall cleave to his wife and the two shall be one flesh." (Genesis 2:24 LXX)

"But anyone who does not provide for his own and especially his family, he has denied his persuasion, and is worse than one without persuasion.... Therefore, I desire younger women to marry, to bear children, to manage the household ..." (I Tim. 5:8, 14 AST).

It is clearly evident from these Scriptures that Adolf Hitler and the Third Reich were in complete agreement with the Word of God on the roles of white men and women in a Christian society. Men are to provide for their families, just as women are to be child-bearers and homemakers. Women are to be subject to men, just as the Church is subject to the Anointed Jesus. And if women are to participate in a greater society, they must be under the authority of men. We are naturally talking about real Christian men and real Christian women, not liars, hypocrites, and blasphemers. Furthermore, National Socialists follow Biblical teachings concerning children of the Christian nation. The following quotes from the Scripture concern children.

"Hear, O Israel, The Master our God is one Master. And you will love the Master your God with all your mind, and with all your life, and all your strength. And these words, all that I command you this day, will be in your heart and in your life. And you will teach them to your children, and you will speak of them sitting in the house, and walking by the way, and lying down and rising up." (Deut. 6:4-7 LXX)

"The children: obey your parents [!]in the Master[!], for this is right.... The children: Obey the parents in all, for this is well-pleasing in the Master." (Eph. 6:1, Col. 3:20 AST)


I have shown and proven that National Socialism was built on truth, Positive Christianity, or what we call Christian Separatism today, that Adolf Hitler was indeed a Christian, not by Jewish standards but by God's Standards as found in the Final Revelation of God to His chosen race in Jesus Christ the Anointed One, Who wrote the Separated Scriptures penned down in the Greek.

Regarding Fischer, the bottom line is that if you get your information from Jews, whether historical or concerning religious beliefs, then you are merely a pawn in their game, no matter how hard you try to rationalize it. The Jews are liars and their father was a liar from the beginning (John 8). Our God and Saviour Jesus told us:

"The thief does not come except that he may steal, and kill, and destroy." (John 10:10 AST)

We all know that the Jew is not satisfied with just merely creating thousands of false religions to mongrelize the minds of the racially pure, but as we see today he seeks to mongrelize our race into oblivion through discouraging the growth of our race through promoting homosexuality, abortions, and "affirmative action," which makes it hard on the white man to get a job and support the family, and therefore discourages large white families.

Many in the so-called "White Wing" feel that it would be impossible for this country to turn around, but I point you to Adolf Hitler and the National Socialist Party and what they accomplished. Remember, Germany was in conditions quite similar to our very own. The Party, built on Christianity and racial preservation, rose to great heights never seen before in a country owned and run by Jews. This was not done with political and religious compromises. Hitler recognized this in the rise of Christianity by stating:

"The greatness of Christianity was not rooted in its attempted negotiations of compromise with perhaps similarly constructed philosophical opinions of the old world, but in the inexorably fanatical preaching and representation of its own doctrine" (Hitler, Mein Kampf, pg. 487).

Fischer, though he lies and says that Hitler and the Third Reich were anti-Christian and viewed Christianity as cowardly, cannot produce one genuine speech or statement by Mr. Hitler or the Third Reich affirming his lies. On the other hand, there are countless speeches and statements claiming that Hitler was a Christian and that National Socialist Germany was built on Christian Law and principles. These were real Christians who knew their divine roles in this world and life. Life in Germany was in agreement with God's Word and Divine Laws of Establishment, which demand that we separate and keep our race pure. Germany knew that the Jews were the enemies of God and His people and all that He has declared decent. In Prof. D. Cajus Fabricius' book entitled Positive Christianity in the Third Reich, written in 1937 in National Socialist Germany, we find this statement about the Jew:

"Besides it is clear that the spirit of the Christian Faith has nothing to do with Judaism, we National Socialists are combating." (pg. 22, Herrell Brothers Publishing House)

Hitler also recognized this when he wrote concerning the Jew in Mein Kampf:

"But the best stamp is given by the product of this 'religious' education, the Jew himself. His life is really only of this world, and his spirit is as alien to true Christianity, for instance, as his nature was two thousand years ago to the Sublime Founder of the new doctrine. Of course, the latter made no secret of His disposition towards the Jewish people, and when necessary took to the whip in order to drive out of the Lord's temple this adversary of all humanity, who even then as always saw in religion only a means for his business existence." (Hitler, Mein Kampf, pgs. 422-423)

We are not the servant race to niggers and mongrels, as the Jews in mainstream Churchianity and the "Identity Movement" proclaim. We are God's race, created with the Mind (Spirit) of God abiding in us, as His portion of this Earth, conducting His Will. In His reputation we are to bring about the Government of God into a physical reality, bringing the world under our dominion. Humanists argue that we have no right to "exercise dominion" over what God has authorized those who hold His Mentality and Truth to do, but one billion gooks, niggers and screaming, bra-burning feminists can't change God's Word and His purpose for His race. They may change the diabolical public opinion to oppose God's Word and Just Judgements, but they cannot change or persuade God, for He is the same yesterday, today and forever. (Hebrews 13:8)


They argue that we have no right to preserve our race from mongrelisation and to establish a nation of the racially pure according to the Just Judgements of God and His Divine Laws of Establishment. We, as Christians, have every right to execute God's Word into action as He has commanded us to do. National Socialism must be found expressed in today's world as a political party, just as in today's world Christian Separatism must be expressed as the only true persuasion. In reality, both are the same - they are the way of life by which we are to live "separated in right thinking" and actions according to the Good Message of Jesus.

We, as National Socialists and Christians, have the advantage, for we have the Truth, which is the Mentality of Separation, and with the help of Almighty God we can bring our race back to the Truth, for this is God's will for all white men - freedom from the diabolical mind and mental death. This can be done by bringing those of our race to the truth about National Socialism and Germany, that they acted on their God- given authority and adhered to the Word of God as a Christian nation, thus bringing the truths of Christian Separatism in Anointed Jesus, while at the same time enlightening white men to the truth taught in the Scriptures and about God's Government.

In doing this, men would come to realize and recognize that National Socialism is but the political expression of true Christianity taught in the Scriptures by God. Through this glorious process, Jews and mongrels will be weeded out from our ranks, for they cannot participate. As Jews, mongrels, and white degenerates, they cannot house the Mind of God or even comprehend the true God, nor can they be known of God. In this they manifest themselves as such by their actions and failure to apprehend and act on the truth. There are no mongrels in the Government of God. While at this point in history we are the minority as far as numbers, we are the majority because we have God on our side and the blessings of God are bearing fruits today as more and more of our kinsmen are coming to a full knowledge of truth and bowing the knee to the Father and God Master Jesus Anointed, joining the just ranks of the Separated Ones in the Body Politic of God. The victory has already been won for our race over the Diabolical One; all we have to do is go and grab our trophy. On April 29, 1945, Adolf Hitler told his secretary, as he dictated his last will and testament, that the glorious seed that he planted would eventually blossom forth in a glorious rebirth of National Socialism. He was absolutely right. http://skrewdriver.org.uk/hitlerprays.jpg

HVH
Monday, July 12th, 2004, 04:21 AM
but yet there is much that is not spoken about and still many "skinheads" and other leeches.... are catholic/christian with-out knowing the truth.... and some even go to say Jesus was Aryan, which he wasent he was Hebrew which isent part of Aryan tho it is brother to Aryan root-race, Hebrew is a sub-race of the root-race before Aryan.

but they call him Aryan just to make christianity OK for them etc.... which is wrong that they do.

many people who say they are catholic and other religions... still dont even understand it... you can notice how when many are born into the religion they dont follow it up. and they still give in to evil and live a sinfull life then say oh Jesus will forgive me.... He will only forgive the true, who are truly trying to change.... yet people think they are trying...

it shows the blind path they live.... which still... there are so called National Socialists putting christianity with NS, and Anti-Christian with NS... yet they are both wrong yet they are both right.... but in the long run they are still wrong and corrupted....

most of christianity has been corrupted by the zionists... the jews killed Christ... the jews are Hebrew... Hebrew are true, Jews are the "soldiers" of darkness....

i have delt with many "satanic" skinheads etc... there is also one Black Metal band who call themselves "sons of satan" and use the SS runes... so are satanic "nazis"
it shows how blind they are... yet they can see christianty is "bad" but they see it as "bad" not corrupted...

still i explain this, and i may say "us" "our" but i use that as in me and the true, not "you" mainly who read this... tho again i dont no ever one who reads this but... so far manly everyone... but dont feel insulted lol... because you are with the rest of this corrupted world now... whcih we will soon take bake.


like many even say Der Fuehrer was a Christian, some say he was the Anti-Christ.....
he knew the truth, along with the True SS... but still even alot of the SS were blind...

Marius
Monday, July 12th, 2004, 10:31 AM
HVH!

Now you mix Christianism with NS, with Hebrews, with SS, with skinheads. Again, as I told you before, you have your head full of a chaos of ideas.

All these are different things. But it is the last time, I am trying to organise it for you.

Christianism.
It's a religion, a concept. The Christian Churches are institutions. The Christians are human beings. If the concept is very good in my opinion, the institutions of the Church may be corrupted or follow special interests, like any other institution, made by human beings. The Christians are human beings and they are submitted to error like any others in this world. It depends on the self-knowledge of someone to know whether he did a mistake/sin or not. It takes also time for that particular to person to accept he may be wrong.

NS.
It was an ideology, not a religion. It suited very well the situation of the pre-WWII Germany, with much poverty and corruption. It also suited the situation on which many of the Hebrews had economic power and in the meantime, average Germans suffered. It is true, that things evoluated and NS became somehow pan-Germanism and next world domination was targeted.

SS.
It was an institution during the NS in Germany. It recruited people who seemed at least convinced of the NS ideology. Perhaps there were some opportunists too, who just claimed it in order to obtain personal benefits. But, this is human, too, it happens. We know the good and the bad acts of this institution.

Hebrews.
They are nation with which the all other Middle-Easterners must live in peace. There were a lot of other teritorial disputes in the whole Europe. Hélas, they calmed down now, only a few lunatics cry for war. Stop this war crying in the Middle East and things will calm down.

Skinheads.
They started as music fans and went in the direction of racism and hate. But usually, most of them are lower classed people, marginals. Some of them are disappointed by the lack of realisations in their lives, so they act strangely.


In fact, what is your point with all your posts? What are you trying to communicate? Say it clear!

Taras Bulba
Tuesday, July 13th, 2004, 12:47 PM
Concerning the SS, Himmler himself admitted the majority of its members were Catholic. Pagans were always on the fringe of the NS movement.

Mac Seafraidh
Saturday, July 17th, 2004, 06:57 PM
I could have sworn he disliked the Jesus Christ figure and he spoke against Christianity because of Jesus being a Jew. I do know about him being raised Catholic and I have seen some of those interactions or images with the Catholic church. What I am saying, to be a little brief about it, I thought as a leader he was Atheist.

Marius
Saturday, July 17th, 2004, 07:04 PM
As far as my few knowledge about Nietzsche litterature and Germany Nazism are driving me, I know the whole Nazi ideology was somehow based on Nietzsche, whose writtings were not at all Christian.

And now, not to mention their actions. Indifferent on how someone is guilty, killing or massacre should not be the option. I must say that I agree to some of the Nazis', Fascis', Legionaires' actions, I will never be able to say that these actions motivate me to give them a total support.

Oskorei
Saturday, July 17th, 2004, 09:54 PM
“We demand liberty for all religious denominations in the State, so far as they are not a danger to it and do not militate against the morality and moral sense of the German race. The Party, as such, stands for positive Christianity, but does not bind itself in the matter of creed to any particular confession...”

This pretty much sums it up. The party shares the religion of the majority population, modified to make it more tuned to Nature ("positive christianity"), but accepts the freedom of all religions that are not militantly antisocial.

Marius
Saturday, July 17th, 2004, 09:57 PM
So you say the entire NS ideology, besides that passage you presented was not based on Nietzsche's works?

Oskorei
Saturday, July 17th, 2004, 10:25 PM
So you say the entire NS ideology, besides that passage you presented was not based on Nietzsche's works?
The passage I quoted was from the NSDAP:s founding programme and had nothing to do with Nietzsche.

From the little I know about the early influences of the NSDAP, these influences were multiple. Nietzsche was one of them, but also Darwinism, German tradition of anti-semitism, Prussian Socialism, Occult Racism and so on. A good book to read is "The Occult Roots of Nazism" by Goodrick-Clarke. The main thesis is that Nationalsocialism in the beginning was founded by one occult-racist order, the Thule Order. Many Nationalsocialists were admirers of Nietzsche, but IMO NS could have been born without Nietzsche.

Marius
Saturday, July 17th, 2004, 10:28 PM
Ok, thanks for the lecture recommendation.

But anyway, Nietzsche's writtings have nothing to do with Christianism...

Oskorei
Saturday, July 17th, 2004, 10:41 PM
Ok, thanks for the lecture recommendation.

But anyway, Nietzsche's writtings have nothing to do with Christianism...
I agree, Nietzsche was an enemy of Christian morality, since he viewed it as "slave-morality".

An interesting point is that he was at the same time very positive about jews (I dont know if he was positive about jewish religion or only jewish people), and this had to be censored in the Third Reich.

Marius
Saturday, July 17th, 2004, 10:44 PM
I agree, Nietzsche was an enemy of Christian morality, since he viewed it as "slave-morality".

An interesting point is that he was at the same time very positive about jews (I dont know if he was positive about jewish religion or only jewish people), and this had to be censored in the Third Reich.

Yes, all this censorship and all these actions make me think at communism and the tough times we passed through. That's why I could never be a NS.

Oskorei
Saturday, July 17th, 2004, 10:52 PM
Yes, all this censorship and all these actions make me think at communism and the tough times we passed through. That's why I could never be a NS.
I agree. Modern NS will have to mix with the positive parts of anarchism and liberalism; and show that it can deliver more, and better, individual and community freedom than other ideologies; in order to win popular support. Probably it wont be called NS either, because no time in history has a revolutionary movement with the same name taken power twice.

Still it is important to remember that NS is the most demonized ideology in history by media and politicians, so much of what we see on television and so on about NS often simply is not true, or exaggerations. And the positive achievements of NS are never mentioned in media.

Wulf
Monday, November 15th, 2004, 06:56 AM
(from Siege! Vol. X, #7 -- July, 1981)



GOD CAN STAY BUT THE CHURCH MUST GO

I'll never be part of a war on something that is unseeable and unknowable. So this is not a war on God. George Lincoln Rockwell wrote often that the positions of the religious fanatics and of the fanatical atheists were equally ridiculous and impossible. ... Organized religion -- when speaking in terms of the White Race -- is a terrible and deadly enemy. We'll examine some of the reasons why later on but I am prompted now to print this piece which has been in preperation for many months because of such things as the "Moral Majority" craze and similar movements afoot in the conservative backlash camp. We cannot and must not fall victim to this, their hogwash, ourselves.

OPIATE OF THE MASSES

There can hardly be any question that the Church had been edged out -- or at least relegated to a back seat position -- for the title of "Opiate of the Masses" which organized religion held for many centuries. The new one of course is television. After all, you don't have to go to it on Sunday, the foul thing lives in your home with you. For entertainment purposes it had practically any preacher going bear by a mile. ... Everything the Church offered to the community, the television now offers. ... The nominally "White" actors on television are co-qual with the nominally "White" ministers in Church: both read straight from Jewish scripts.

Not attacking inanimate objects -- neither buildings nor boxes, churches or TV sets -- but only the way they are handled and the effects they're having on the White Race, there is little doubt that television is the worst of the two. But the television is not an institution and can be very helpful, beneficial in fact, once all the networks are in National Socialist hands. What of the Church after a National Socialist revolution? Shall we put armbands on all priests or shall we put Stormtroopers in black robes? Shall we attempt to enlighten those now in power and pray that they will behave themselves and not act the role of subversives in our midst? Can we afford to allow an incredibly large and powerful organization -- a state with a state -- that currently is a major part of the Enemy's scheme, to go on functioning as before once our revolution has suceeded? More importantly, as we must decide now: it it at all necessary that we do so? The answer in each case is no.

At present the Church presents the worst danger to the White Race ...

CAN YOU DO VOODOO?

The monumental cathedrals built by the genius of Western Man in the name of his religion compare identically to the mud and clay huts and carved, wooden idols that the primitive races erect to their peculiar religions. Same comparison as our ICBMs to their spears and blowguns. Same concepts of war and religious worship, just that the White Man does it better ...

What makes Christianity seem to be "the" religion for mankind has nothing whatsoever to do with any of its promises or tenets ... It is because that was the religion that so happened to get foisted off onto the White Man and it was his genius and creativity that gave it strength,beauty, charity, forcefulness and whatever real value it may once have possessed. Anything of a positive nature to be found in the doctrine or workings of Christianity did not come from the sky or from the pages of a book but rather from the blood of the White Race which foolishly adopted it. ... The lowest level primitive in the jungles of Haiti is no more voodooistic thatn the highest bishop or cardinal in Europe or America. But the style and presentation are a hell of a lot different.

DOG AND CAT HEAVEN

Not only does Man fear death so much that he elevates himself up and out of the animal realm, but it appears to be a human trait and urge to imbue everything from house pets to stuffed dolls with identities and "souls". Could "Heaven" be complete minus the family dog or cat? ...

The worst of this was scene at the time of the US Civil War. Tokens were circulating at the time depicting Blacks on their knees in chains under slogans like, "Am I Not A Man and a Brother?" The object was to make you look immoral if you retorted "Hell, no!" Mad-dog Christian fanatics were busy setting the stage for the worst bloodbath this country has yet experienced. ... From Harriet Beecher Stowe [wife of a Rabbi]'s "Uncle Tom's Cabin" to John Brown's raid on Harper's Ferry, the issue was a religious one on the part of all the forces driving toward war and not one of property, politics or even the Constitution. Plain, old-fashioned fanatical equalitarians were responsible. The legend "In God We Trust" made its appearance on US coinage at the time of the Civil War.

This opened the war for the first marriages between Blacks (who previously had been paired off and mated like any other animal) and marriages between Blacks and Whites (because, after all, if two people "love" each other and are good Christians than what the hell?). The purest, most healthy and beautfiul white child would be condemned as a "bastard" by these same mad-dog Christians while a real racial bastard product of mixed marriage would be blessed by them, depending solely on whether or not they had their marraige vows solemnized in the prescribed Christian manner. Today it is is still found that some ministers will refuse to marry two people if it is found that they have been divorced. But a racially mixed pair -- neither previously married --will be immediately joined in "holy matrimony."

This is as bad if not worse than the criminal tampering and twisting that's done with the US Constitution, making anything and everything that so happens "to have been whelped on this real estate an automatic "citizen" -- therefore "equal" to all the rest and wide open to all the "civil rights" invented or created in his behalf. But to do away with the reality and the ultimate importance of RACE in preference to some magical-mystical harum-scarum is no more than insanity. And when applied in an organized, enforced manner, it becomes CRIMINAL insanity and MUST BE STOPPED.

PRAISE THE LORD AND PASS THE AMMUNITION

In two World Wars, German soldiers went into battle bearing as part of their uniform the motto "Gott Mins Uns" ["God is with us."] A lot of good it did them. In every war between White Men of different European countries, the leaders and combatants of both sides prayed to the same God from the same Bible for blessings and victory. White Men have been killing each other for two thousand years in the name of the same religion.

For hundreds of years the Church has been an extension of the State. ... Today the Church is indispensable to Big Brother. When the Church isn't acting as the echo-chamer of the Big Brother System, then it is acting as its avant garde. ... They all spout the same line, for the same reason, and prompted by the same people. That which the taste-makers/opinion-formers decide upon and declare, tehir servants then take this and poison the masses with it as current, established, accepted "gospel", which to rebel against or even question means personal ruin (if not eternal damnation).

Separation of Church and State in reality means separate accounts in the same Jew-owned bank.

...INTEGRAL PART OF THE PROBLEM

Ever notice the similarity between the tenets of Christianity and those of Marxism? They both negate race and private property; they indulge in brainwash, treason, subversion and have resorted to tortue and war to get where they want to go. Supposedly a movement for the poor, the hierarchy of both is filthy rich. The Pope and the International have a lot in common with regard to questionable national loyalties and I wonder how the Church would fair against a "House Un-American Activities Committee" style investigation. The bulk of the Communist world is non-White as is the majority of those professing the Christian religion. The liberals and Marxists would have you mix with Negroes on earth while the Christians would have mixed with them for the rest of eternity. (That would be my own idea of hell!)

... MAN CREATED GOD IN HIS OWN IMAGE

Had it been the other way around then fakers like Billy Graham couldn't today state that perhaps God is Black and perhaps Jesus was an Ethiopian. They say that the universal belief in a God of some sort and in a Hereafter is "proof" that these things are valid and real. It is proof only of man's all-consuming fear of death and his unwillingness to accept his own mortality and his subjectivity to the law of nature just like any other animal.

In man's quest for reason and order in the universe and in his desire to elevate himself from the rest of the animals roaming the planet, he invented God to answer all these needs. ... If we are to be original and authentic in what we believe, profess and practice, then we should return to the philosophy of our Northern European ancestors and hail Odin and his host of Norse Gods. It might be a flight of fancy but it would be at least natural, normal and healthy for our people to live by the religion which arose from its own blood at the dawn of time.

But through various quirks of fate, through the machinations of schemers and manipulators, the White Race got stuck with a noxious and repulsive religion cooked up the twisted brains of a handful of Semites in the Middle East known as the Essenes. Over the centuries and through a dozen or more schisms it is known today as Christianity. It is alien to our blood, to our natural instincts, it is false and deadly and its organized bosy at work in the world today is dedicated to the destruction of the White Race. It must go.... The message of these SIEGE segments is not a negative one. It is however an important one: we cannot afford any longer the stupid mistake of mixing and confusing our goals and priorities like so many Right Wing types have done in the past. "For God, Race and Nation" is an example. We cannot allow any foreign, alien moral code or dogma to cramp our revolutionary style and, when the big clean-up begins, no criminal will enjoy any hands-off privilege just because he may be a master of hocus-pocus and mumbo-jumbo. Our march towards revolution will not be blocked by any rules of the Establishment and our revolutionary New Order will be absolutely free of any race whatsoever of the old.

friedrich braun
Tuesday, February 22nd, 2005, 04:27 AM
I'm reading The Holy Reich: Nazi Conceptions of Christianity 1919-1945, by Richard Steigmann-Gall, and I'm astounded at the popularity of National Socialism among religious people (particularly Protestants) and clergy -- especially Protestant clergy.

Positive Christianity of the so-called German Christians tried to bridge the confessional gap between Catholic and Lutheran Germans by formulating a non-doctrinal, non-dogmatic Christianity situated above both confessions. However, even confessional Protestants were by and large well predisposed toward National Socialism during the Kampfzeit as well. Protestants of that era were nationalist and volkish to a remarkable degree.

Question:

What is happening today in Germany? It seems that both confessions are at the vanguard of multiculturalism, feminism, anti-racism, and of the pro-immigration lobby. Why? By taking these controversial positions both confessions alienate important segments of the German population. Additionally, if we only take immigration into account, most of the Third World migrants are non-Protestant and non-Christian (most are Muslim and hostile to Christianity); hence, the support that they lose among indigenous Germans is not recovered through their enthusiastic support of open-borders, etc.

Can anyone explain the rationale or logic behind this leftist radicalization of Christian clergy in post-WW II Germany?

Stig NHF
Tuesday, February 22nd, 2005, 11:33 AM
Its quite simple. If they were not liberal, they wouldn't be allowed to hold office. Germany is not a nation, it is an articifial state created by the victors of ww2.

Dr. Brandt
Tuesday, February 22nd, 2005, 03:05 PM
Its quite simple. If they were not liberal, they wouldn't be allowed to hold office. Germany is not a nation, it is an articifial state created by the victors of ww2.

I beg to differ. Germany is not arteficial. The "Federal Reupublic" is a "Golem".
Germany is just buried under heaps of filth. Germany is silent. Germany lives in the hearts and minds of all true Germans. It lives in our culture, in the majesty of it's landscape and old architecture. And most of all, it lives in the pure and original language of ours. It lives in it's poetry and music. They may be able to desecrate and rape our Mother Germania, but never kille her. We will love and and worship her to our last breath.

solkorset
Tuesday, February 22nd, 2005, 08:13 PM
Can anyone explain the rationale or logic behind this leftist radicalization of Christian clergy in post-WW II Germany?


No, because it never took place. The protestant confessions have been freemasonic entities from the start, or since the time Luther was murdered. Please read everything you can find about freemasonry! Books from the 3. Reich. The Roman church and freemasonry also joined forces in 1928 when the jesuit Gruber met with high degree freemasons in Aachen. This was thoroughly documented by the 3. Reich (see Friedrich Hasselbacher: Die entlarvte Freimaurerei).

What does this mean? That both confessions like freemasonry itself are jewish tools. They will at all times do what the jews order them to. During the halcyon days of NS they were ordered to accomodate NS outwardly while undermining it in secret. During the war their contribution was to foment inner discord and strife. Stauffenberg was a reactionary catholic and instrument of the church/freemasonry.

Cole Nidray
Thursday, September 29th, 2005, 06:22 PM
Positive Christianity working with Europeans of all positive belief systems against hostile hordes is very Crusade like and highly honorable.

Hitler meeting with Archbishop Cesare Orsenigo, the papal nuncio in Berlin, 1935

On April 20, 1939, Archbishop Orsenigo celebrated Hitler's birthday. The celebrations, initiated by Pacelli (Pope Pius XII) became a tradition. Each April 20, Cardinal Bertram of Berlin was to send "warmest congratulations to the Fuhrer in the name of the bishops and the dioceses in Germany" and added with "fervent prayers which the Catholics of Germany are sending to heaven on their altars." :D

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Orsenigo enjoys the luxurious transport afforded to friends of Germanics.

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Hitler (center) at Franken war monument,

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Greeting Bishop Müller,

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Cardinal Michael Faulhaber,

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Priests salute at a Catholic rally in the Berlin-Neukolln stadium in August 1933.

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Hitler and Vatican ambassador,



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Goebbels and others with Bishops,

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Wehrmacht mementos at a crucifix (note swastikas)../.., Uniformed SA men at church service.

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The Holy Grail of NS-Christianity pics,

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Cole Nidray
Wednesday, October 19th, 2005, 02:48 PM
More.

1. Inauguration of the National Synod in Wittenburg
Bishop Ludwig Mueller attends the inauguration of the national synod in Wittenburg, at the Castle Church where Martin Luther first posted his 95 theses against the abuse of indulgences.

2. Monsignor Leaving Reichs Chancellery
Papal Nuncio Monsignor Cesare Onsenigo leaves the Reichs Chancellery after the annual New Year Reception of the Diplomatic Corps.

3. Hitler at Hindenburg's funeral.

4. Sermon by Reich Bishop Ludwig Mueller

5. Ludwig Mueller, "Trustee for the affairs of the Protestant church"

6. The procession of the bishops, headed by flag delegations. Background the Royal Castle, left the Cathedral. Sept. 23, 1934. Installation of Ludwig Muller as the German Protestant Church Primate.

Kiian
Monday, October 31st, 2005, 02:03 AM
Hitler planned to set up a "National Reich Church" in a 30 step plan after the war

Exactly what I have read in a book By Eileen Pearson titled "Hitler's Reich".

Thulean Imperial Inquisitor
Sunday, January 29th, 2006, 05:43 PM
I'm very interested in the subject of a National Socialist religion.
From what I have read there were some plans of replacing Christianity
in Germany with a more National Socialistic religion. A more pagan,
nature based religion... as National Socialism is built on the laws of
nature. But this new "state religion" would keep some traditions from
Christianity, the positive stuff in European Christianity. But replace
the Judaic stuff with Pagan stuff.







The NS religion in pictures



NS wedding and baptism





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NS cathedral




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NSDAP meeting in NS cathedral




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NS mass wedding




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NS Altar




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NS Baptism






http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y43/ssrusha/nsreligion/NSBaptism2.jpgNS Baptism


I got these stunning pics from another forum. Thanks to Propagandaleiter.

CountBloodSpawn
Sunday, January 29th, 2006, 07:04 PM
National Socialist Germany's historical religious practices were many including British Isrealism/Christian Identity, Hinduism, Irminism/Asatru and other forms of Occultism

Propagandaleiter
Sunday, February 26th, 2006, 07:13 PM
Kameraden! About our NS religion I will say only:

Adolf Hitler was created the perfect state in full harmony with the nature’s laws only in several years. His achievements have no equivalent in the world history – that why I honour him as a Prophet of the God! – He showed us the right way of living and we must fanatically follow his legacy.

Mjölnir
Saturday, March 4th, 2006, 05:21 PM
Another Thread where some believe that the NS is/or was a Religion.:thumbdown

Let me say and please by the way read "Mein Kampf" carefully befor posting such silly things. The Reichsfuehrer SS HH had his OWN future projects for HIS SS Garde. But never the "Weltanschauung" Nationalsozialismus was an RELIGION.

Remember this.:|

M.,

CLOSED

Oskorei
Sunday, April 2nd, 2006, 07:52 PM
I agree with Mjölnir that Nationalsocialism was not intended as a religion, so we should focus in this thread on the attempts by groups of Germans to find religious expressions that were more "in tune" with the Nationalsocialist ethos.

These would be the "positive christianity", and Gustav Frenssens idea of a "nordic faith". Frenssen seems like an interesting thinker, but I have not been able to find more about him in English than this very short introduction:
http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9035363?tocId=9035363

Prince Eugen
Sunday, April 2nd, 2006, 08:31 PM
When i was younger i believe that N.Socialism was antichristian theory!I believe that i was wrong, many well known and disguishead National Socialists were Christians like Leon Degrelle or Condreanu or Quisling!Some others were pagans!Even in the ranks of Waffen SS many members were Christians (and also brave comrades and soldiers).Religion IMHO is a personal choice and N.S was tolerante in every religion (exept ofcourse the ones who opposed stongly to National and Racial indentity).
Many European N.Socialists are christians,pagans,buddists,hiddu,atheist or even muslims (like D.Myatt or the Italian comrades of Avanguardia)!

Gaian Meroveus
Wednesday, April 12th, 2006, 04:53 AM
Comrades,

The NSDAP was first and foremost a political party and a social revolutionary movement. It's mandate covered all aspects of German life and society, from the mundane to the profound.
Jettosoning the alien judeo-christian ideology and pseudo-morality of the cult of jewish ancestor worship which is 'christianity' was only one of many programmes persued by National Socialism in it's quest for the
re-abilitation of the Germanic and celto-teutonic peoples of europe.

The traditional quasi-religious observances of the aryan peoples were more in tune with the innate nature and psychological qualities of the indigenous european. Their spiritual concerns centered around the rhythms, manifestations, and dictates of the natural world, which was more logical and reasonable than the worship of a 'jewish anthropomorphic father/creator being' who -it has been emphatically stated in the Bible- had a decided bias towards His chosen[Jewish] people.

Is it not more sensible to worship the observable quantities of your environment which have a direct, tangible effect on your personal condition and your ability to survive and prosper: the sun; the moon; the rains, the forrests; the rivers and streams;the animals that provide you with meat, milk, clothing etc.?
Even though the Sun will rise regardless of it's receiving acknowledgement by humanity, it is through ritual that we find social cohesion, personal solice, and empowerment in a world that quite often we feel powerless.

National Socialism was not a religion, it was so much more. It was a social revolution and racial renaissance who's time was rendered all too brief as a result of the tireless treachery of the Enemy of our Race and it's willing collaberators from within the body of our own Folk.

Long live the unique and glorious european race.
Es lebe hoch das germanische Volk.

Best wishes,
_Gaian Meroveus.

Landerun
Wednesday, April 19th, 2006, 10:41 PM
The religious character of the national socialism


The biological religion term:

Resumption and continuation of the biological ideology of the Darwinismus and Friedrich Nietz on the one hand and Chaimberlains on the other hand in the national socialism a biologically justified system is developed, which must be marked deeply as a religion of the blood. In radical idiom against the spirit of the Christusglaeubigkeit here the blood and the race become, when principle of a new religious world view sets.

This realization made Helmut carpenter already promptly valid: "The sign, which stands before that for Clammy ones, with which it summarizes the national socialism and socialism of its goal, is the blood. It falls the decision for the blood and against the spirit, but this decision is spirit "* in the religion of the blood thinks it the sense of its Wollens.

This religion term of the bio logism was represented considerably by Hitler and finds in the "Myth 20. Century " of Alfreds rose mountain and its other anti-Christian combat writings its normative expression. Hitler made already in its book "My fight" for the denominations the reproach, "..the Entweihung of the race" watches and for their development to be hinderlich. Crucial is alone, "... whether arische humans remains" (P. 630). Because "the blood value" is the "human basic value" (P. 441). The preservation and the keeping clean of the race is therefore for Hitler the basic requirement of all requirements, which everything else to subordinate itself has. The actual religious debt is the "Bastardierung of the peoples" and the substantial sin is "the sin against the blood"!

Noble race of the future will have to become after the proven selection methods harausfilitiert. The new man's race becomes an Amalgan, indeed, of northern kind be, however, from different language....

We stand after Hitler "... at the end of the age of the reason". "The spirit was the large illness, was waste of regulations of the menschengeschlechts. Only value is the life. The biological decides ".

Hitler's anti-theses are called; "The blood of the race against the spirit of humans, Bios against the Biblical Glaeubigkeit". Bio logism of the national socialism becomes the nature religion. The religion term of the national socialism is the Offenbahrungsverstaendnis of nordernen mankind, however is interpreted only blood-moderately closer.

In German:


“Christentum ist eine Rebellion gegen die Naturgesetze, ein Protest gegen die Natur. Logisch zu Ende gedacht bedeutet Christentum die systematische Kultivierung menschlichen Versagens.“ - Adolf Hitler


In Englisch:


"Christianity is a rebellion against the laws of nature, a protest against nature. Logically to end meant Christianity means the systematic cultivation of human failure." - Adolf Hitler

Sources:

Helmut carpenter, "The national socialism before the God question - illusion or gospel?", 1931
Adolf Hitler, "My fight"
Hermann RauschningGruß,

L.




P. S.:

I wrote and make this article within the German range him available now here in English way of writing. For some German words none can be unfortunately found in the English linguistic usage, therefore I let them stand in German. :)

Jäger
Thursday, July 20th, 2006, 06:52 PM
Kerrl, with the noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself. I think I could have come to an understanding with the Popes of the Renaissance. Obviously, their Christianity was a danger on the practical level—and, on the propaganda level, it continued to be a lie. But a Pope, even a criminal one, who protects great artists and spreads beauty around him, is never-theless more sympathetic to me than the Protestant minister who drinks from the poisoned spring. Pure Christianity—the Christianity of the catacombs—is concerned with translating the Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinse of metaphysics. http://www.adolfhitler.ws/lib/books/table/css/table.htm

What Hitler said about Christianity is often quite controverse, just search the Table Talks for it, so I am not sure what to make out of it.

Georgia
Thursday, July 20th, 2006, 09:56 PM
Christianity and National Socialism are irreconsilable to each other. Leider!
In the years I studied NS I had hoped I would come to a different conclusion; after all, I too flirted with this world view once upon a time............

Adolf Hitler and the Nazis did what they did to prevent an uprising of the Christian church in Germany. A long-term goal of the NS was the containment of the social influence of the churches and eventually to replace Christianity.


Biblical Christianity is race conscious as well as faith conscious, the two are inseparable. Yet, it is no more compatible with National Socialism as it is with Judaism. National Socialism is also not compatible with a Constitutional Republic.


I have made my views on this subject very clear in the German Thread, so I am not going to repeat what I have already stated.

Here is a link which may be of interest to some:

http://www.aryan-nations.org/reichsfolk/religns.html (http://www.aryan-nations.org/reichsfolk/religns.html)


Georgia:) ~ Audemus jura nostra defendere!

Some quotes from different sources:

'Wer den Nationalsozialismus nur als politische Bewegung versteht, der weiß nichts von ihm; er ist mehr noch als Religion, er ist der Wille zur neuen Menschenschöpfung." - A.H.

"Whoever understands National Socialism only as a political movement, has no knowledge of it. It (NS) is more than a religon, it is the will for a new human creation." A.H.

“Christentum ist eine Rebellion gegen die Naturgesetze, ein Protest gegen die Natur. Logisch zu Ende gedacht bedeutet Christentum die systematische Kultivierung menschlichen Versagens.“ - A.H.

"Christendom (Christianity) is a rebellion against the laws of nature, a protest against nature. Christianity is, logically thinking, the systematic cultivation of human defeat."
A.H.




'The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science....Gradually the myths crumble. All that is left is to prove that in nature there is no frontier between the organic and the inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know the stars are not sources of light, but worlds, perhaps inhabited worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....The man who lives in communion with nature necessarily finds himself in opposition to the Churches, and that why they're heading for ruin—for science is bound to win.' A. H.


"Christianity is an invention of sick brains," A. H.

"So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death," A. H.

General_avrelianvs
Friday, July 21st, 2006, 02:36 AM
As far as my few knowledge about Nietzsche litterature and Germany Nazism are driving me, I know the whole Nazi ideology was somehow based on Nietzsche, whose writtings were not at all Christian.

And now, not to mention their actions. Indifferent on how someone is guilty, killing or massacre should not be the option. I must say that I agree to some of the Nazis', Fascis', Legionaires' actions, I will never be able to say that these actions motivate me to give them a total support.

Nietzsche was pro jewish anti-nationalism....did you know that?
He had a jewish lover, he hated patriotism, racism and wagnerianism.
Hitler was inspired to build national-socialism by watchin Cola Di Rienzi of Wagner, not by reading The Antichrist or any of those stupid books of Nietzsche. Wagnerianism against atheism. Wagner and Hitler were both christians, they loved christianity and fought for it.

As long as I know about Apostle Paul, he was very anti-jewish. The problem against sensuality was against the roman pagan excess of sexual activities. Rome was a decadence of moral and sexuality in the times of Caligula or Nero. Other Emperors, like Marcus Aurelius or Adrianus could stop that. but is not that Paul was an "international jew" but Julian the Apostate he was very pro jew, because he saw in jewish people the instrument to destroy Christianity.

Jäger
Saturday, July 22nd, 2006, 11:46 AM
Biblical Christianity is race conscious as well as faith conscious, the two are inseparable.
Why do so many "christians" then preach otherwise? If christianity is so vulnerable to different interpretations, why is your interpretation then right? If it is so hard to read the bibel, since so many come out of it with diferent oppinions of its meanings, who knows what's right and not?
Christianity is too waggly for me to be taken seriously in this regard.

Georgia
Saturday, July 22nd, 2006, 12:45 PM
Why do so many "christians" then preach otherwise? If christianity is so vulnerable to different interpretations, why is your interpretation then right? If it is so hard to read the bibel, since so many come out of it with diferent oppinions of its meanings, who knows what's right and not?
Christianity is too waggly for me to be taken seriously in this regard.

Jäger
I really don't have time to go into this discussion with you except to state that the same could be said about the religion called National Socialism ~ there are so many different views of what it really is and only a few know the correct answer. I am also convinced, it would not be beneficial for anyone. So you will just have to excuse me on this one:) !

I do recall a statement made by someone, perhaps you recall it as well, and I am paraphrasing:
I wish for a world without Christianity!

Georgia:)

Taras Bulba
Saturday, July 22nd, 2006, 07:44 PM
Why do so many "christians" then preach otherwise?

Hmmnn...several reasons really. Everything from a result of the Protestant Reformation to the rise of secularist-based viewpoints dominating modern society and the attempts of Christians to accomodate.



If christianity is so vulnerable to different interpretations, why is your interpretation then right?

Because if you look at the history of Christianity, you will notice that Christians since the very beginning almost took the existance of nations for granted. Within the pages of both the Old and New Testaments, there are numerous references to the existance of nations and ethnicities. Not to mention the great influence the Bible had in forging European concepts of nationhood. Great sources to read about that are Adrian Hastings' The Construction of Nationhood and Anthony D. Smith's Chosen Peoples: Sacred Sources for National Identity.

And also just this year Denise Kimber Buell wrote a new book Why This New Race?: Ethnic Reasoning in Early Christianity that also should give great insight into the matter:


http://www.columbia.edu/cu/cup/catalog/data/023113/0231133340.HTM

Why This New Race offers a radical new way of thinking about the origins of Christian identity. Conventional histories have understood Christianity as a religion that from its beginnings sought to transcend ethnic and racial distinctions. Denise Kimber Buell challenges this view by revealing the centrality of ethnicity and race in early definitions of Christianity. Buell's readings of various texts consider the use of “ethnic reasoning” to depict Christianness as more than a set of shared religious practices and beliefs. By asking themselves, “Why this new race?” Christians positioned themselves as members of an ethnos or genos distinct from Jews, Romans, and Greeks.

So farm Ive only glanced through this book and not read it thoroughly. Yet the author does mention that the very notion of Christianity being indifferent to the existance of races and ethnicities is largely the result of modern-day political correctness than actual historical fact.

Now remember, these are just scholarly sources that Ive mentioned so far. There are numerous theological texts that give references to the existance of nations within the Christian fold.

Most famous example of such from the Middle Ages is this statement made by Regino of Prum in his Chronicon around the year 900 A.D.:


"Just as different peoples(diversae nations populorum) differ between themselves in descent, manners, language and laws(genere, moribus, lingua, legibus) so the holy and universal church throughout the world, although joined in the unity of the faith nevertheless varies its ecclesiastical customs among them."


This attitude continues down to the modern age. In fact in his last book before his death, Memory and Identity, Pope John Paul II devotes much attention to the issue of patriotism and nationality. Here's an excerpt of what he had to say on the issue on page 69-70:



"The term 'nation' designates a community based in a given territory and distinguished from other nations by its culture. Catholic social doctrine holds that families and the nation are both natural societies, not the product of mere convention. Therefore, in human history they cannot be replaced by anything else."

Perhaps I should mention that Len Pen himself gave praise to the book within his statement concerning the late Pope's death.

There's much more that I can provide from various theological perspectives: Catholic, Orthodox, and even Protestant who support the existance of different nations.

However, that'll have to wait. These past few days Ive been severely sick and lacking of energy.

Georgia
Tuesday, July 25th, 2006, 02:20 PM
General_avrelianvs,

I must admit I did not see Jaeger's post giving the link about "Hitler's Table Talk." Perhaps you did not see it either. I got my information not just from Hitler's Table Talk but from other sources. As to Hitler's Table Talk - is it based upon facts? I wasn't there.........In the past (as well as sometimes even now), I had plenty of opportunity to talk to people that lived before, during and after the Third Reich. What I have been told certainly confirms the anti-Christian statements in Hitler's Table Talk. One thing that truly amazed me was the knowledge that these people had about what is known as "Lebensraum." A "now" source of "NS gegen Christentum" (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=55024) ~ how most National Socialists view Christianity and Christians, can be found right here on Skadi.

Before I continue I must stress that I never disclose any private e-mails I receive from others. However, the following was not a private e-mail, but a non-private discussion and debate about the subject in question, which lasted for about 8 month. In one of our many discussions I ask why it was that Hitler in so many of his speeches used words that could be considedered promoting Christianity. One of the quotes I used to support my question was the following:

"If we pursue this way, if we are decent, industrious, and honest, if we so loyally and truly fulfill our duty, then it is my conviction that in the future as in the past the Lord God will always help us. In the long run He never leaves decent folk in the lurch. Often He may test them, He may send trials upon them, but in the long run He always lets His sun shine upon them once more and at the end He gives them His blessing." -Adolf Hitler, at the Harvest Thanksgiving Festival on the Buckeburg held on 3 Oct. 1937 ).

I then went on to ask if Hitler lied when he used these words and here is the answer which I translated into the English:

No,..... the Führer did not lie. Hitler made the decission to go the so-called "democratic" way after the failed Novemberputsch in 1923. Not with force, but with the usual "Mehrheitskult" which induces imbecility and all perversion. I would not describe these statements a "lie"......



I know for a fact that this man understands NS better than many. National Socialism like Judaism, Zionism, and so forth, are worldviews in opposition to Christianity. Though I must admit, NS does have some points that would be very acceptable to those who appreciate and practice biblical Christianity. I don't think anyone can deny some of the positive accomplishments for the German Volk under Adolf Hitler and NS; yet at the end.....the rest is history. So many believe in order to be a patriotic German and for Germany to be once more free they must embrace National Socialism. Nothing could be further from the truth, at least it would not be so for me.

This is a subject that can go on and on and on. Since I know words have consequences I best hush. I have nothing else to contribute to this subject.
Some sources, just a few of many you might want to check out if you like. Information sources like books and papers were gifts from people throughout time.

1.Helmuth Schreiner "Der Nationalsozialismus vor der Gottesfrage (Illusion oder Evangelium?)"
2. March of the Titans
3. Zeitzeugen berichten (http://forums.skadi.net/)
4.DER THEOLOGE, Nr. 11
5.OPPOSITION UND ERZWUNGENE ANPASSUNG
LANDESBISCHOF MEISER
6. 1933-1945: "Die deutschen Bauern geschlossen hinter dem Fuehrer"?
Landwirtschaftsmuseum Lueneburger Heide

Georgia:)

Devilstyle
Thursday, November 16th, 2006, 08:07 PM
NS and Christianity - No ever !!!!!

I don't need a god and i think the atheism is for us all the best. In former times humans could not explain many things from where lightning and thunder (example) came themselves. And in such a way example the Greeks thought that rage Zeus would have been. But today one can explain oneself from where lightnings and the thunder to really come. Thus to which we need Zeus and the other gods ?? In addition it makes itself the religion simple: Instead of “you must the way hit with it to the luck come” must one on the “luck only wait”. Who believes thus that it will be “later” (the other world) more beautiful than “now” (this life), turns the time preference, which results from the finiteness of humans, naturally over. Why does one have to wait to the luck comes instead of it into the hand to take ??? In the Bible is nevertheless delivered the fact that an angel in the sky the Satan became which thus means that one can become also in the sky or in hell the opposite, which leads to the question: Why then the intermediate world ??

Ovid
Thursday, November 16th, 2006, 10:49 PM
Basically National Socialism and Christianity don't mix. NS ideas are in conflict with Christian (Jewish/Middle Eastern) morals and beliefs mainly because Christianity embraces in general an individualistic morality, which is, despite its individualism, leading to conformity (Christian sheep-like morals). If someone wants to mix Christianity with National Socialism, then
the church's morality should be holistic instead of individualistic. There are still some churches embracing holistic morality. So, maybe NS and Christianity can live together, after all.

But IMO NS includes a romantic fascination to the heathen past of Europeans. An ancient pagan European religion is of course the ideal NS religion. You don't necessarily have to believe in those gods but you can see them as expressions of the European spirit, for example.

Devilstyle
Friday, November 17th, 2006, 05:47 PM
You don't necessarily have to believe in those gods but you can see them as expressions of the European spirit, for example.

The nordic mythology was the european spirit just as how the greek gods world but we live in this time and i don't need for me a god, i described also above.

Moody
Friday, November 17th, 2006, 06:28 PM
The nordic mythology was the european spirit just as how the greek gods world but we live in this time and I don't need for me a god, I described also above.

But a metaphysical need often remains: The 'European Spirit', for example, can be seen as a metaphysical concept, similar in some sense to 'God'.

It is an abstract Ideal or Form which cloaks the reality of the culture of the European as he works his way through history.

So the Forms found in Christianity can be Aryanised, in my opinion, to create a NS religion which will be more pagan than Christian, but will take into account the pagan survivals which remained in Christianity anyway.

The Jewish morality will be rejected for the Aryan morality, of course, and the 'books' of the Bible etc., will be discarded in favour of pagan wisdom, pagan mythology and pagan philosophy.

Think of it this way - would we want to destroy the old and great Gothic cathedrals, which tower towards Valhalla in all their Germanic grandeur?

I would think not.

Such structures would remain, but re-energised by a new Heathen Faith based on the "inner truth and greatness of National Socialism".

Chlodovech
Saturday, November 18th, 2006, 04:48 PM
NS and Christianity - No ever !!!!!


I'm slighty amazed by the reactions in this thread - Hitler himself didn't put that much weight on to the question.

Hitler never picked an all open fight with Rome, and christian pressure even brought changes to NS policy.

In the notorious "Table Talks with Hitler", he states how he finds religious conflicts insane, and how he wouldn't want them to divide the German nation.

NS wasn't meant to be a permanent vehicle of war or militant activism - it's a tool - for an Utopia. A harmonious, peaceful golden age.

While christianity, though it might be considered encompassing the theoretical soul of judaism (but not by me, not after 2000 years of Germanic application have passed) - is in many ways its practical antithesis. For it's always about God's natural order versus the arrogance of men, be it the capitalist or communist drive for world goverment. It's very clearly stated in the book apocalypse how the decline of nationalism is the turning point for the beast, taking over the entire world.

But which question is of more imporant to you: the Big religious one (Does God exist, and shall we honour Him one way or another?) or the survivial of our race?

I don't see the point in antagonizing nationalist/racialist friends and comrades just because they're either catholic, protestant, atheist or paganic.

Faith and nationalism are still associated with each other in many Germanic nations, and, it's the decline of that faith that seems to go hand in hand with increasing immigration and total moral degeneration.

It's true that the organized churches of Europe, as power structures, let their kin down during the past decades. The believers, however, and most certainly in Flanders, are alienated by their leaders.

Materialism, atheism and cultural Marxism translated into New Age - delivered a tremendous blow to christianity in Europe - but I wonder if it's for greater good, on the contrary.

I'm a firm believer in a christian contribution to the project of preservation, in whatever style it emerges.

Jäger
Saturday, November 18th, 2006, 09:38 PM
Alfred Rosenberg himself admitted that religion is a private matter, however when "private matters" interfered with NS he openly attacked and fought the Christian religions.

The catholic church, out of Rome, was a great critic of the racial theories and, at least before the NS party gained power, an avid opponent of anything NS.
Rosenberg's hopes were with the protestants, where he said that Luther did a great job in bringing Christianity back to the Germanic spirit.
However even at his times, which nowadays proofs very true, he saw the major flaw in the protestant branch with their Paulus admiration and their affinity to Jews.

Oski
Sunday, November 19th, 2006, 12:36 AM
This reminds me of a song from Providenje - Aryan Brothers :D serbian rac with almost comical bad english. Check it out you will understand what I'm talking about. I am opposed to christianity btw :thumbup .

oneeyeisbetter
Sunday, November 19th, 2006, 08:22 AM
Well Hitler said something like "Jesus was the illegit son of a jewess" and had many churches in france desecrated. He also had many of the SS in the lebensborn* project have sex in ancient germanic graveyards in hope of having the pure children absord "ancient nordics spirits with pure archetypes" or something of that matter.

Doesnt sound very christian to me :thumbup

Jesus often thought in temple (synagouges) and was a jew.

No offence but If someone wants to claim to be nazi this would be the last person they should be praying to.

Kaiser
Sunday, November 19th, 2006, 08:47 AM
Well Hitler also had many of the SS in the lebensborn* project have sex in ancient germanic graveyards in hope of having the pure children absord "ancient nordics spirits with pure archetypes" or something of that matter.



Sounds like fun! A hell of a lot more fun than paying all my money to zionistic based churches. I don't know how true this is though as many things are said about the III Reich which have dubious origins. No matter. I am quite positive that if Hitler had of simply been victorious, he would have surpassed Jesus as "the savior of mankind" this very day. At least modern man anyway. His exploits have more personally significant relevance to me than some joo who only wrote once in the sand two thousand years ago anyway.

It makes no differnce to me who or what folks worship. As long as they put race first and realize the threat of the joo to our survival. This is hard to do with most forms of christianity, indeed.

Jäger
Sunday, November 19th, 2006, 10:11 AM
He also had many of the SS in the lebensborn* project have sex in ancient germanic graveyards in hope of having the pure children absord "ancient nordics spirits with pure archetypes" or something of that matter.

Doesnt sound very christian to me :thumbup
Also doesn't sound very true to me :|

This myth about Lebensborn as some stud farm is ridiculous.

Ossi
Friday, April 4th, 2008, 01:39 AM
[Note: Thread has been split from here (http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=6128).]

A good state doesn't mingle with religion. National Socialism didn't care for Christianity either and Hitler was a staunch anti-Christian. Christianity has Semitic origins and little to do with Germanics.

Loyalist
Friday, April 4th, 2008, 01:40 AM
Furthermore, the religious beliefs of Adolf Hitler are a matter of great contention, and your assertion of his distance from Christianity is nothing more than one opinion in an ongoing debate.

Ossi
Friday, April 4th, 2008, 02:36 AM
It's not my opinion, it's a matter of FACTS. How many anti-Christian quotes by Hitler do you want me to dig up from my sources? Hitler wanted to establish a NS "religion", not Christianity.

Guntwachar
Friday, April 4th, 2008, 02:49 AM
It's not my opinion, it's a matter of FACTS. How many anti-Christian quotes by Hitler do you want me to dig up from my sources? Hitler wanted to establish a NS "religion", not Christianity.
Thats true actually think a famous quote from him is also your either German or Christian you cant be both.

Loyalist
Friday, April 4th, 2008, 02:50 AM
]t's not my opinion, it's a matter of FACTS. How many anti-Christian quotes by Hitler do you want me to dig up from my sources? Hitler wanted to establish a NS "religion", not Christianity.And how many pro-Christian quotes, and testimonies from Hitler's inner circle corroborating them, do you want me to dig up? Odinism, and other forms of National Socialist-oriented neo-paganism, were promoted by Alfred Rosenberg and, to some extent, Heinrich Himmler. The subject of religious belief is much more vague concerning Hitler.

Ossi
Friday, April 4th, 2008, 02:56 AM
And how many pro-Christian quotes, and testimonies from Hitler's inner circle corroborating them, do you want me to dig up? Odinism, and other forms of National Socialist-oriented neo-paganism, were promoted by Alfred Rosenberg and, to some extent, Heinrich Himmler. The subject of religious belief is much more vague concerning Hitler.Fair deal. For every allegedly pro-Christian quote, I will give you two anti-Christian quotes. :D

Loyalist
Friday, April 4th, 2008, 03:01 AM
Fair deal. For every allegedly pro-Christian quote, I will give you two anti-Christian quotes. :D
"My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them, and who was greatest not as a sufferer, but as a fighter."

-Adolf Hitler, 1927.....

Ossi
Friday, April 4th, 2008, 04:04 AM
Your source being? How do I know that quote isn't made up by someone? Here you are:

Hitler may in public have claimed to be doing the will of God, but records of his private conversations show otherwise. Many of these were recorded by his secretary and published in a book called Hitler's Table Talk (Adolf Hitler, London, Weidenfeld & Nicholson, 1953). I have lifted the text of these from the soc.religion.christian newsgroup's Hitler FAQ.

Night of 11th-12th July, 1941

"National Socialism and religion cannot exist together....
"The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity....
"Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." (p 6 & 7)


10th October, 1941, midday

"Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure." (p 43)


14th October, 1941, midday

"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity....
"Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse....
"...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little....
"Christianity <is> the liar....
"We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State." (p 49-52)


19th October, 1941, night

"The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity."


21st October, 1941, midday

"Originally, Christianity was merely an incarnation of Bolshevism, the destroyer....
"The decisive falsification of Jesus' <who he asserts many times was never a Jew> doctrine was the work of St.Paul. He gave himself to this work... for the purposes of personal exploitation....
"Didn't the world see, carried on right into the Middle Ages, the same old system of martyrs, tortures, faggots? Of old, it was in the name of Christianity. Today, it's in the name of Bolshevism. Yesterday the instigator was Saul: the instigator today, Mardochai. Saul was changed into St.Paul, and Mardochai into Karl Marx. By exterminating this pest, we shall do humanity a service of which our soldiers can have no idea." (p 63-65)


13th December, 1941, midnight

"Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.... <here insults people who believe transubstantiation>....
"When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunised against the disease." (p 118-119)


14th December, 1941, midday

"Kerrl, with noblest of intentions, wanted to attempt a synthesis between National Socialism and Christianity. I don't believe the thing's possible, and I see the obstacle in Christianity itself....
"Pure Christianity-- the Christianity of the catacombs-- is concerned with translating Christian doctrine into facts. It leads quite simply to the annihilation of mankind. It is merely whole-hearted Bolshevism, under a tinsel of metaphysics." (p 119 & 120)


9th April, 1942, dinner

"There is something very unhealthy about Christianity." (p 339)


27th February, 1942, midday

"It would always be disagreeable for me to go down to posterity as a man who made concessions in this field. I realize that man, in his imperfection, can commit innumerable errors-- but to devote myself deliberately to errors, that is something I cannot do. I shall never come personally to terms with the Christian lie."
"Our epoch in the next 200 years will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.... My regret will have been that I couldn't... behold <its demise>." (p 278)

Loyalist
Friday, April 4th, 2008, 04:13 AM
Claiming that Hitler's public and private comments on Christianity contradict themselves only proves the pointlessness of this thread. Evidence, whether or not of questionable authenticity, exists to support both positions.

Guntwachar
Friday, April 4th, 2008, 04:15 AM
I say: my feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Saviour as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to the fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as sufferer but as fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and of adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. Today, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before - the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. And as a man I have the duty to see to it that human society does not suffer the same catastrophic collapse as did the civilization of the ancient world some two thousand years ago - a civilization which was driven to its ruin through this same Jewish people.
Adolf Hitler, Munich speech of April 12, 1922


Thats a bit longer version of the qoute that OneTrueLoyalist posted, and i'm not realy saying he was for or against Christianity if you read you can see Hitler's thoughts were kinda weird at one speech he is realy anti-christian and at others he says churches are important for the german nation.
So my guess is or Hitler had a personality disorder, or his point of view changed trough the years as most pro-christian speeches are before the ww2 and the anti-christian speeches more from 1940/45.

Ossi
Friday, April 4th, 2008, 04:17 AM
Claiming that Hitler's public and private comments on Christianity contradict themselves only proves the pointlessness of this thread. Evidence, whether or not of questionable authenticity, exists to support both positions.
There are more anti-Christian quotes than Christian quotes.

It's not "pointless". To establish whether Hitler was pro or anti-Christian is a crucial topic for National Socialists because if Hitler was right in saying, you can't be Christian and National Socialist at the same time.

There are negative statements about Christianity reported by Hitler's intimates, Goebbels, Speer, and Bormann.[18] Joseph Goebbels, for example, notes in a diary entry in 1939: "The F&#252;hrer is deeply religious, but deeply anti-Christian. He regards Christianity as a symptom of decay." Albert Speer reports a similar statement: "You see, it’s been our misfortune to have the wrong religion. Why didn’t we have the religion of the Japanese, who regard sacrifice for the Fatherland as the highest good? The Mohammedan religion too would have been much more compatible to us than Christianity. Why did it have to be Christianity with its meekness and flabbiness?"[19] In the Hossbach Memorandum Hitler is recorded as saying that "only the disintegrating effect of Christianity, and the symptoms of age" were responsible for the demise of the Roman empire.[20] In 1941, Hitler praised an anti-Christian tract from 362CE, Julian's Against the Galileans, saying "I really hadn't known how clearly a man like Julian had judged Christians and Christianity, one must read this..."[21] He was reported to say that religion should die on its own accord.[22]

#18 ^ The collection called Table Talk is questioned by some; while most historians consider it a useful source, they do not regard it as wholly reliable. Ian Kershaw makes clear the questionable nature of Table Talk as a historically valid source; see his Hitler 1889-1936 Hubris London, 1998, xiv. Richard Carrier goes further contending that certain portions of Table Talk, especially those regarding Hitler's alleged hatred of Christianity, are outright inventions: see his "Hitler's Table Talk, Troubling Finds" German Studies Review26:3 October 2003. However, although Kershaw recommends treating the work with caution, he does not suggest dispensing with it altogether. (The Holy Reich, p. 253)
#19 ^ Richard Steigmann-Gall, The Holy Reich, p. 252-253; Albert Speer, Inside the Third Reich, Orion Pub., 1997 ISBN 1-85799-218-0, p. 96.
#20 ^ Online copy of the Hossbach memorandum
#21 ^ Sage, Steven F. 2006. Ibsen and Hitler: the playwright, the plagiarist, and the plot for the Third Reich. New York: Carroll & Graf Publishers. Page 154.
#22 ^ Irving, David John Cawdell. 1978. The war path: Hitler's Germany,

Siebenbürgerin
Friday, April 4th, 2008, 04:57 AM
I think it's an interesting Theme but in my Opinion, if you want to know the NS Position on Christianity you shouldn't look in the Table Talks, Feldherr. The NS Position was expressed by the 25 Points of NSDAP Programm.

The NSDAP Party Program stated in part: “We demand freedom for all religious confessions in the state, insofar as they do not endanger its existence or conflict with the customs and moral sentiments of the Germanic race. The party as such represents the standpoint of a positive Christianity, without owing itself to a particular confession....” Positive Christianity adhered to basic orthodox doctrines and asserted that Christianity must make a practical, positive difference in people’s lives.

Here my Source:
http://atheism.about.com/od/adolfhitlernazigermany/p/NaziChristian.htm

SwordOfTheVistula
Friday, April 4th, 2008, 05:04 AM
He often attended Christian weddings of top party/government officials, to the dismay of the neo-pagan circle.

As far as I can make out, he permitted religion insofar as it did not interfere with the operation of the state, and his statements on religion depended on which audience he was talking to. He didn't have strong personal religious feeling any which way, and only liked or disliked particular ones insofar as they were helpful or an obstacle to the advancement of the nation/state


Thats a bit longer version of the qoute that OneTrueLoyalist posted, and i'm not realy saying he was for or against Christianity if you read you can see Hitler's thoughts were kinda weird at one speech he is realy anti-christian and at others he says churches are important for the german nation.
So my guess is or Hitler had a personality disorder, or his point of view changed trough the years as most pro-christian speeches are before the ww2 and the anti-christian speeches more from 1940/45.

Seems his pro-Christian statements came from when he had to win elections in a predominantly Christian nation, the anti-Christian ones came during the wartime period when he no longer had to win elections and a number of Christian officials were trying to organize subversive movements against policies such as eugenics. He seems to also have expressed these more in private so as to not lose support of the vast majority of the populace which was Christian

Oski
Friday, April 4th, 2008, 07:59 AM
I think Hitler knew he couldn't make ALLOT of germans quit christianity.

I think he used christianity's bitterness and alienation from the jews to his full advantage. European christians often looked at jews as greedy filthy christ-killers while ignoring the fact that Jesus was a jew himself.

Hitler "accepted" the lesser of two evils but everyone knows that blood and soil was his goal for germanics, not rabid jesus mongering / bible-thumping.

:yawnee20:

Jäger
Friday, April 4th, 2008, 10:24 AM
So my guess is or Hitler had a personality disorder, or his point of view changed trough the years as most pro-christian speeches are before the ww2 and the anti-christian speeches more from 1940/45.
Gibberish, Hitler knew that fighting against Christianity would mean engaging in countless religious debates.


Auch läßt es sich oft nur schwer unterscheiden, wer von diesen Leuten aus innerer Dummheit oder Unfähigkeit handelt, oder wer aus bestimmten Gründen nur so tut. Besonders bei den sogenannten religiösen Reformatoren auf altgermanischer Grundlage habe ich immer die Empfindung, als seien sie von jenen Mächten geschickt, die den Wiederaufstieg unseres Volkes nicht wünschen. Führt doch ihre ganze Tätigkeit das Volk vom gemeinsamen Kampf gegen den gemeinsamen Feind weg, um es statt dessen seine Kräfte in ebenso unsinnigen wie unseligen inneren Religionsstreitigkeiten verzehren zu lassen. Gerade aus diesen Gründen aber ist die Aufrichtung einer starken Zentralgewalt im Sinne der unbedingten Autorität der Führung in der Bewegung nötig.

That's why he was against those "Asatru" guys who constantly used up their energy for religious debates, while furthering disunity rather than unity.
He was clearly pro-Christian before his take over of power, or at least refrained from being anti-Christian, and after his take over, when he dealt with more dangerous enemies (Communism, Capitalism) he went on to the Church.

The principle of NS is clearly anti-Christian though.

SwordOfTheVistula
Sunday, April 6th, 2008, 09:44 PM
A book I am currently reading 'The Young Hitler I Knew' by August Kubizek, Hitler's friend from his teenage years describes Hitler at age 20 being fascinated by Germanic mythology, and writing a play in which the heroes are pagan warriors fighting against an incursion by Christians into Bavaria. So based on this it is safe to say that Hitler personally viewed pagan mythology as superior to Christianity

Of course later during his political career he made pro-Christian statements and blocked many of the anti-Christian moves by members of his party/government out of interest in national unity, but as far as his personal views go it appears he preferred the pagan mythology since an early age.

Jörmungandr
Saturday, June 28th, 2008, 02:53 AM
Adolf was clearly anti-Christian, more so post-election time than pre-election time.


The following quotes are from "Hitler's secret conversations" which is the un-abridged version of "Hitler's table talk" which is the Martin Bormann document in full.



Of course Christians will say its a forgery because they want Hitler's views to fit in with their own but us National Socialists see him for what he was, anti-Christian.

The heaviest blow that ever struck humanity was the coming of Christianity. Bolshevism is Christianity's illegitimate child. Both are inventions of the Jew. The deliberate lie in the matter of religion was introduced into the world by Christianity.
Bolshevism practices a lie of the same nature, when it claims to bring liberty to men, whereas in reality it seeks to enslave them.

Christianity was the first creed of the world to exterminate its adversaries in the name of love. its key note is intolerance.


Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things.


The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death. A slow death has something comforting about it.

The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions.Gradually the myths crumble.
All thats left is to prove that in nature there is no frontier between the organic and the inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the stars are not sources of light but worlds, perhaps inhabited worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.

Originally, religion was merely a prop for human communities. It was a means, not an end in its self. Its only gradually that it became transformed in this direction, with the object of maintaining the rule of the priests, who can live only on the detriment of society collectively.


The more Christianity clings to its dogmas, the quicker it will decline.


Its Christianity thats the liar. Its in perpetual conflict with its self.

The precept that it's men's duty to love one another is a theory-and the Christians are the last to practice it.


But Christianity is an invention of sick brains: one could imagine nothing more senseless, nor any more indecent way of turning the idea of the Godhead into a mockery.

A Negro with his tabus is crushingly superior to the human being who seriously believes in Transubstantiation.

I begin to loose all respect for humanity when I think that some people on our side, Ministers or generals, are capable of believing that we cannot triumph without the blessing of the church. Such a notion is excusable in little children who have learnt nothing else.


If there is a God, at the same time as He gives man life he gives him intelligence. By regulating my life accordingly to the understanding that is granted me, I may be mistaken, but I act in good faith. The concrete image of the Beyond that religion forces on me does not stand up to examination.

When all is said, we have no reason to wish that the Italians and Spaniards should free themselves from the drug of Christianity. Let's be the only people who are immunized against the disease.


Our epoch will certainly see the end of the disease of Christianity.It will last another 100 years, 200 years perhaps.
There is something very unhealthy about Christianity.


The religion fabricated by Paul of tarsus, which was later called Christianity is nothing more than the communism of today.


The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.

Christianity is a prototype of Bolshevism:the mobilization by the Jew of the masses of slaves with the object of undermining society.
Originally, Christianity was an incarnation of Bolshevism the destroyer.



Hitler also said this


One is either a German or a Christian, you cannot be both.

Elysium
Saturday, June 28th, 2008, 03:36 AM
I think he saw what was useful in Christianity but was not a Christian and would eventually hope for its destruction. By not banning Christianity or shunning them from society, he got most of their support. By also "Aryanising" Christianity in very small ways, it meant that when it came down to the nitty-gritty, more Christians were prepared to accept him as leader and his policies, and to support them, then if he had either left them to do their thing or if he tried to eradicate them.

There we have it. To me, he was not a Christian (nor a Pagan). He did not have any real fury against Christians, but would probably hope for its downfall as it was obviously not Aryan and impeded on further Aryanisation.

Mazorquero
Saturday, June 28th, 2008, 08:35 PM
I think Hitler actually had a religious conflict but not in a psicopatological way. Practically all of us here have grown up with some sort of Christian education, wether you call it Catholic, Protestant or whatever. Many times I stop to think how difficult is to imagine a world without Christianity as the main religion in our lives, and I say this not only as an agnostic and atheist, but also as an anti-christian myself. Just think that if we want to eradicate Christianism, among many things, whole maps should be changed, because many geographical locations (specially in the Romance world) have names with obvious Christian origins.
Perhaps Hitler's case is that of a smoker: the smoker knows very well that his habits are unhealthy, but he knows also that he can't give up smoking all of a sudden, he might be even unsure if he must quit. He must do it with patience, slowly.

Geribeetus
Saturday, June 28th, 2008, 09:59 PM
Hitler was anti-Christian in that he followed NS. His policies weren't anti-Christian though, because worse evils had to be faced.

Jörmungandr
Saturday, June 28th, 2008, 11:57 PM
Yes, as any intelligent man would do, He used Religion to his advantage. His prime concern was the wellbeing of the German people, the wellbeing of the economy and the promotion of the National Socialist Weltanschauung.

Loyalist
Sunday, June 29th, 2008, 12:31 AM
For every bit of anti-Christian sentiment in Hitler's writings and speeches, there is parallel material supporting his continued belief in Christianity, in some form or another. In addition, there are testimonies from individuals such as L&#233;on Degrelle portraying him as quite a pious Christian, while still others argue his support for paganism, agnosticism, atheism, etc. Though this argument can (and will) continue indefinitely, it is evident that perhaps only the individual under consideration knows the truth, and further bickering is pointless.

The Horned God
Sunday, June 29th, 2008, 04:31 AM
I think Hitlers private "table talk" is more likely to express more of his true views than anything he would have said in public.

This table talk seems to be fairly categorical in it's condemnation of Christianity.Hitler is particularly antagonistic towards the Catholic Church as he recognises that it is not being primarily loyal to the state. However he wishes to avoid, if possible, resorting to religious persecution, preferring instead to wait for Christianity to die out by itself.He believes this will eventually be brought about by discoveries in science.



Without Christianity, we should not have had Islam. The Roman Empire, under Germanic influence, would have developed in the direction of world-domination, and humanity would not have extinguished fifteen centuries of civilisation at a single stroke.

Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things. [pp. 4-5]

Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure.[p. 51]

It may be asked whether concluding a concordat with the churches wouldn't facilitate our exercise of power.

On this subject one may make the following remarks:

Firstly, in this way the authority of the State would be vitiated by the fact of the intervention of a third power concerning which it is impossible to say how long it would remain reliable. In the case of the Anglican Church, this objection does not arise, for England knows she can depend on her Church. But what about the Catholic Church? Wouldn't we be running the risk of her one day going into reverse after having put herself at the service of the State solely in order to safeguard her power? If one day the State's policy ceased to suit Rome or the clergy, the priests would turn against the State, as they are doing now. History provides examples that should make us careful.

Secondly, there is also a question of principle. Trying to take a long view of things, is it conceivable that one could found anything durable on falsehood? When I think of our people's future, I must look further than immediate advantages, even if these advantages were to last three hundred, five hundred years or more. I'm convinced that any pact with the Church can offer only a provisional benefit, for sooner or later the scientific spirit will disclose the harmful character of such a compromise. Thus the State will have based its existence on a foundation that one day will collapse.

An educated man retains the sense of the mysteries of nature and bows before the unknowable. An uneducated man, on the other hand, runs the risk of going over to atheism (which is a return to the state of the animal) as soon as he perceives that the State, in sheer opportunism, is making use of false ideas in the matter of religion, whilst in other fields it bases everything on pure science.

That's why I've always kept the Party aloof from religious questions. I've thus prevented my Catholic and Protestant supporters from forming groups against one another, and inadvertently knocking each other out with the Bible and the Sprinkler. So we never became involved with these Churches' forms of worship. And if that has momentarily made my task a little more difficult, at least I've never run the risk of carrying grist to my opponents' mill. The help we would have provisionally obtained from a concordat would have quickly become a burden on us. In any case, the main thing is to be clever in this matter and not to look for a struggle where it can be avoided.

Being weighed down by a superstitious past, men are afraid of things that can't, or can't yet, be explained-that is to say, of the unknown. If anyone has needs of a metaphysical nature, I can't satisfy them with the Party's programme. Time will go by until the moment when science can answer all the questions.

So it's not opportune to hurl ourselves now into a struggle with the Churches. A slow death has something comforting about The dogma of Christianity gets worn away before the advances of science. Religion will have to make more and more concessions. Gradually the myths crumble. All that's left is to prove that in nature there is no frontier between the organic and the inorganic. When understanding of the universe has become widespread, when the majority of men know that the stars are not sources of light but worlds, perhaps inhabited worlds like ours, then the Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.

http://www.davnet.org/kevin/articles/table.html

Mazorquero
Sunday, June 29th, 2008, 04:11 PM
In addition, there are testimonies from individuals such as Léon Degrelle portraying him as quite a pious Christian...

Actually Degrelle was very christian. His party was Christus Rex, that's King Christ. Well, if we take a look at the most of fascist and pro-NS regimes, the most of them had a strong bond with Christianity (some of them fell when they didn't want to keep with that realtionship).
I believe also that Hitler had to show a Christian side in order to have allies, like the suposed sympathy of Pio XII and the Vatican, but besides from that, IMO Hitler couldn't get rid of all his previous education as a good Christian. I don't think he should be blamed for that, Christianity is so deeply stuck in our lives that we'll need a couple of centuries to erradicate it. Try to explain people that Christhmas and Easter are Pagan festivities, try to change Arthur's story by saying that they couldn't have looked for the Grial because they were originally pagan Celts... it's really difficult.
Imagine the fantastic clock-work the Church did, that many people who hate jews are confessed and rabid Christians... funny because INRI means "Jesus of Nazareth, king of the jews". Even Pagans like Himmler try to "aryanize" Jesus.
No doubt about it, Constantine "the Great" settled the arrival of our darkest times.

Loyalist
Sunday, June 29th, 2008, 04:13 PM
Actually Degrelle was very christian...

That's what I said. :rolleyes:

Jörmungandr
Sunday, June 29th, 2008, 11:54 PM
I think Hitlers private "table talk" is more likely to express more of his true views than anything he would have said in public.

This table talk seems to be fairly categorical in it's condemnation of Christianity.Hitler is particularly antagonistic towards the Catholic Church as he recognises that it is not being primarily loyal to the state. However he wishes to avoid, if possible, resorting to religious persecution, preferring instead to wait for Christianity to die out by itself.He believes this will eventually be brought about by discoveries in science.

Exactly, even David Irving places more importance on "Hitler's table talk" and "Hitler's secret conversations" which are the same book with a different name, than Mein Kampf as it is un-edited Hitler, He speaks freely about things.


LINK (http://www.fpp.co.uk/Letters/Hitler/TableTalk010104.html)

The Horned God
Tuesday, July 1st, 2008, 01:56 AM
The book "Hitlers Table Talk" can be downloaded free as a PDF from here;

http://www.archive.org/details/HitlersTableTalk


The quote where Hitler appears to deny the Holocaust as a rumour appears on page 93.

Jörmungandr
Tuesday, July 1st, 2008, 02:13 AM
Yes, he talked as if there was no holocaust because there wasn't.

I've found that Christians say this book is a forgery and National Socialists say it is legit, seems to me, given the evidence, that Christians have an ulterior motive, one that must include Hitler being a Christian. One thing remains, organized religion is myth, to believe a spook in the sky has written a book for his followers is absurd. There could be a creator but I'm certain He hasn't written a book. The religious come into being through fear, fear of death and the unknown. The only reasonable stance to have is to be Agnostic.

I hate seeing good white people sucked into a Jew religion, its so sad.

Geribeetus
Tuesday, July 1st, 2008, 04:23 AM
Hitler's table talk is the most evidently fake document I've ever read.

If you take that as evidence for anything you need your head examined.

The Horned God
Tuesday, July 1st, 2008, 05:08 AM
Hitler's table talk is the most evidently fake document I've ever read.

If you take that as evidence for anything you need your head examined.

I've googled "Hitlers Table talk fake" and all I've turned up of relevance is David Irving stating that certain passages form 1945 which were later used as material for the book; "Hitlers last will and testament" are fake, but that the rest of Table Talk is genuine.

If you have other sources or reasons for your opinion I'd be interested in seeing them.

I haven't committed myself yet one way or another.

Geribeetus
Tuesday, July 1st, 2008, 05:31 AM
I've googled "Hitlers Table talk fake" and all I've turned up of relevance is David Irving stating that certain passages form 1945 which were later used as material for the book; "Hitlers last will and testament" are fake, but that the rest of Table Talk is genuine.

If you have other sources or reasons for your opinion I'd be interested in seeing them.

I haven't committed myself yet one way or another.

Some of the things said in it are clearly not things Hitler would say. Also, I've heard that it wasn't even published until the 50's or 60's and one is required to believe the fact that the interviewer never changed anything. I don't remember where I saw that though, I'll look around.

The Horned God
Tuesday, July 1st, 2008, 06:18 AM
Some of the things said in it are clearly not things Hitler would say. Also, I've heard that it wasn't even published until the 50's or 60's and one is required to believe the fact that the interviewer never changed anything.

It was first published in English in 1949 according to Irving. The PDF I posted is a 2000 translation and I'm not exactly sure what source was used...

For what it's worth here's what Irving has to say about it the volume in it's various incarnations;


David Irving replies:

HITLER'S Table Talk comes from the original Bormann Vermerke which the late Fran&#231;ois Genoud purchased from Bormann's widow Gerda Bormann. They were actually typed from notes taken by the stenographer Heinrich Heim, whom I interviewed and who confirmed the procedure in detail. Each day's entry was initialled by Bormann at the end. They are genuine, in the first person, and highly reliable.

2. Henry Picker took over as Bormann's secretary/adjutant from Heim. He found a lot of Heim's notes in his desk and rewrote them in reported speech and published them and his own notes as Hitlers Tischgespr&#228;che. Good, but less reliable.

3. After the war, Genoud obtained by a very complex process notes on the final Bunkergespr&#228;che of Hitler. Walter Funk was involved. When I visited Geneva in about 1968 (Elke Fr&#246;hlich, the Goebbels expert, was with me) Genoud showed us a sheaf of US legal-size paper, closely typed in German. Nobody has ever seen that sheaf since. Hugh Trevor-Roper had published them in English in the late 1950s as Hitler's Last Testament. In interviews with me, Hitler's adjutants, especially Karl-Jesko von Puttkamer (on left of picture) disputed their authenticity. Eventually Genoud, meeting me in Paris, came clean and told me he had either written, or enlarged on, the originals himself, in his own handwriting -- in French. On two different occasions he said to me, apologetically, "That is surely what Hitler would have said."

This explains a number of anachronisms in the text of this latter volume. It also explains why Genoud originally insisted that Hoffmann & Campe, who in the 1970s had a contract to publish the Trevor-Roper edition in German, must work from the French text(!); I told them I had seen a German text in Genoud's hands when I visited him in Geneva. That firm then abandoned the project, and the book was published by Albrecht Knaus of Bertelsmann Verlag.

4. One day I bumped into Genoud in Paris, or we met by arrangement, I can't recall, and he gave me a complete photocopy of the Bunker conversations (1945) in German; they are heavily expanded between the lines in handwriting -- his handwriting, and I suspect his typewriter. Useless as a historical source. I donated them to the Institut f&#252;r Zeitgeschichte.

5. One final detail: the English translation of the original Hitler's Table Talk was published in about 1949 by George Weidenfeld, who paid a huge sum for the rights -- half to Genoud, and half at Genoud's insistence to Paula Hitler. The Weidenfeld translation is idiomatic and excellent. I read the book as a boy, enthralled. I used the text on several occasions in my book Hitler's War: for that I was denounced as a "falsifier of history", as I preferred the idiomatic Weidenfeld translation to a wooden, turgid, and sludge-like Richard Evans translation as offered to the High Court during the Lipstadt Trial. Remember that whenever you see newspapers refer to me as having been exposed as a "falsifier" of documents.



http://www.fpp.co.uk/Letters/Hitler/Law200603.html

Praetorianer
Tuesday, October 21st, 2008, 02:05 PM
In the book "Dietrich Eckart - Der Bolschewismus von Moses bis Lenin" Hitler makes fun of heathens and states that he thinks Jesus is the person the Edda foresaw as Balder.

Pino
Wednesday, October 22nd, 2008, 09:00 AM
Positive Christianity is not Chrianity at all, because if you follow the beliefs of National Socialism and then the Bible then you are a walking contradiction.

Praetorianer
Wednesday, October 22nd, 2008, 10:38 AM
Positive Christianity is not Chrianity at all, because if you follow the beliefs of National Socialism and then the Bible then you are a walking contradiction.

No, they just labeled parts of the bible as a falsification.

Pino
Wednesday, October 22nd, 2008, 10:51 AM
No, they just labeled parts of the bible as a falsification.

You are simply taking what the bible taught and twisting the whole thing, the bible is compatable with every movement ever known to man because it's full of absolute contradicitons.

Praetorianer
Wednesday, October 22nd, 2008, 11:10 AM
You are simply taking what the bible taught and twisting the whole thing, the bible is compatable with every movement ever known to man because it's full of absolute contradicitons.

A lot of traditions are full with contradictions and even History is, even since Herodot exposed this topic. Things like this happen, when human beings write something, because they are just humans, and so they are able to make mistakes and especially when you have more than just one writer, the mistakes get more obvious.
But this is no reason to scrap the whole book. Enemies of the bible always stick to the contradictions, but this is just too simple. A painting with a mistake on one corner of it doesn´t get rubbish only because of this mistake. Comparing the parts the bible that doesn´t make sense with this parts making sense is stupid, because there simply isn´t much to critisize unless you collect them, what makes them look much more.
Oh, yes. I saw this pages which collect all the numbers mentionend in the book and compare them with others. Did they had 140000 troops or 140500? Eeehhhmmm, who cares? That´s what they consider as contradictions, too!

Sól
Friday, November 5th, 2010, 05:58 AM
The National Socialist attitude about Christianity was split. Hitler himself was a proclaimed Catholic who was baptized a Catholic and had a Catholic upbringing. But he also supported Christianity because of propaganda reasons. Propaganda is effective in any politics.

Other National Socialist figures had an anti-Christian attitude. Martin Bormann thought National Socialism and Christianity were irreconcilable. He wanted to disband the Christian Churches. A quote by himself:


When we [National Socialists] speak of belief in God, we do not mean, like the naive Christians and their spiritual exploiters, a man-like being sitting around somewhere in the universe. The force governed by natural law by which all these countless planets move in the universe, we call omnipotence or God. The assertion that this universal force can trouble itself about the destiny of each individual being, every smallest earthly bacillus, can be influenced by so-called prayers or other surprising things, depends upon a requisite dose of naivety or else upon shameless professional self-interest.

^ Martin Bormann - The Brown Eminence (http://www.ourcivilisation.com/smartboard/shop/festjc/chap10.htm)

It's also clear the long-term and final aim was to create a new Nazi religion, cultured around its leaders, symbols and sacred book being Mein Kampf instead of the Bible.

Thirty-point program for the "National Reich Church" by Alfred Rosenberg had some points:


- The National Reich Church claims exclusive right and control over all Churches.
- The National Church is determined to exterminate foreign Christian faiths imported into Germany in the ill-omened year 800.
- The National Church demands immediate cessation of the publishing and dissemination of the Bible.
- The National Church will clear away from its altars all Crucifixes, Bibles and pictures of Saints.
- On the altars there must be nothing but Mein Kampf and to the left of the altar a sword
^ William Lawrence Shirer The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich: A History of Nazi Germany - 1960 - 1257 pages. ROCKEFELLER CENTER, 630 FIFTH AVENUE NEW YORK, New York FIFTEENTH PRINTING LIBRARY OF CONGRESS CATALOG CARD NUMBER: 60-6729 Page 240.

There was an esoteric National Socialism religion which was followed by Rudolf Hess and Heinrich Himmler.