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JoeDas
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 10:20 AM
Which of the choices comes closest to your opinion? Please notice that this is a question about inter-racial friendship only, and not inter-racial romance or inter-racial marriage

FadeTheButcher
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 10:26 AM
I don't see anything wrong with having nonwhite friends. I simply dislike people who fetishize it.

Sigrun Christianson
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 01:24 PM
I think it should generally be avoided. Friendship implies emotional attachment and while some are capable of setting limits, many others are not. If my children, for example, wanted darkie playmates, that would be strictly off-limits. However, I've had non-white friends in my life and it never resulted in any harm. I once had a very nice friendship with a married Yemense Muslim man - that was an eye-opener. He would never look me directly in the face or eyes, hopefully because he was trying to follow his beliefs and not just because I'm too ugly to look at. He said my blouses were too low-cut. :D

Krampus
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 01:37 PM
People throw the word "friend" around very loosely these days when what they really mean to say is an acquaintance. Let's be honest if you were arrested and sent to jail how many of these so-called "friends" would come bail you out? or attend your funeral? A true friend is someone you can trust, as you would a blood relative.

I don't have a problem with acquaintances of other races or business partners to an extent; however, friendship is an entirely different matter.

Marius
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 01:42 PM
... someone you can trust, as you would a blood relative.
....

Off topic, sorry. Do you think you can trust so much your blood relatives?

And second, I think for being a friend with somebody, you must have something in common. I don't know for example, preocupations, ideas, mentality, culture... you name it. Personally, it did not happen to me to have found a person of another race with which I could really be a friend and it is not about the fact he/she just had another race. That's why I think race is a second plan issue in a friendship. That's why I voted for "Yes, it's ok."

+Suomut+
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 01:59 PM
I think it should generally be avoided. Friendship implies emotional attachment and while some are capable of setting limits, many others are not. If my children, for example, wanted darkie playmates, that would be strictly off-limits....Indeed, yup, absolutely. :|


...However, I've had non-white friends in my life and it never resulted in any harm....I have never had any.


...and not just because I'm too ugly to look at.Well, young lady, this is T-Totally incorrect...fur-sure, fur-sure! :P :D


People throw the word "friend" around very loosely these days when what they really mean to say is an acquaintance. Let's be honest if you were arrested and sent to jail how many of these so-called "friends" would come bail you out? or attend your funeral? A true friend is someone you can trust, as you would a blood relative.

I don't have a problem with acquaintances of other races or business partners to an extent; however, friendship is an entirely different matter.WELL SAID!! and INDEED! :thumbsup :) I agree with you completely, Krampus, with the exception being that I personally would never go into any business ventures with non-Europids.

Gesta Bellica
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 02:14 PM
I never had a non white friend.

I can see them as coworkers and treat them in a fair and educated way but still they are just pro-forma relationships, as i don't really need them in my life as true friends.

Deling
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 02:52 PM
I've had some non-European friends, one of them mixed Moroccan-Finn; and he was sick in the head unfortunately. The other a mixed Ukrainian-Mongol Altaic. I get better of with him than with many of my Swedish fellows..or Russian..but that's because he's got very well adapted to Swedish culture.

One thing I, and even my mongol-Ukrainían friend, admit is that two different origins create personality problems, and empirically I find it true often.

My answer is: Of course it's ok. But however, all my non-Euro friends I got now are 'comrades', paradoxally.

Siegfried
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 02:59 PM
People throw the word "friend" around very loosely these days when what they really mean to say is an acquaintance. Let's be honest if you were arrested and sent to jail how many of these so-called "friends" would come bail you out? or attend your funeral? A true friend is someone you can trust, as you would a blood relative.

I don't have a problem with acquaintances of other races or business partners to an extent; however, friendship is an entirely different matter.


Couldn't have said it better myself :thumbsup

rusalka
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 04:18 PM
I have a couple of Korean girlfriends at school and get on with them fine, probably because they had been in the US for about 8-9 years. Otherwise most Asian students are not famous for their language skills and it would have been hard to get on with them. I also know a guy from one of my classes who is a Norwegian / Asian (not sure which part, could be Thailand, I suppose) mix, I could probably call him an acquaintance. I have no problems with having friends from other races but I never had a Black friend as I detest the Black culture in the US. I wouldn't have anything in common with people who listen to hip hop, talk like pimps and tie that weird-ass thing to their heads. I think it depends more on the refinement and the education level of the person than on race, non-whites in the US *generally* are not high on the education scale, that is especially true for Blacks, Hispanics and some Chinese.

Scoob
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 04:28 PM
I've had friends of all races - including many Europeans. I find most Americans hard to get along with or just plain uninteresting for some reason.

Telperion
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 05:03 PM
I've never had a close friend who wasn't white, and wouldn't particularly want one.

I have had acquaintances who weren't white, and got along well with them. But that's a much more casual sort of social relationship.

Oskorei
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 05:41 PM
Male friendship is ok to me. Male-female friendship however is different, since it can easily develop into something else.

I have positive casual contacts with people of all races, but I have only been close friends with Arabs, Gypsies, Iranians and other Whites.

NormanBlood
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 06:09 PM
lol, reminds me of the first time I saw a black person when I was a kid. Apparently I asked some questions as to why the lady was black very loudly. Apparently I my mom got really embarassed at that :P

I guess I can say I've had acquaintances (at school, at work) who were non White but never any friendships. I kind of got rather "racist" at a young age (grade 6 or 7 I think) so it didn't leave much time for friendships with non Whites ;)

I have non White cooworkers but I definetly wouldn't call them friends..they're actually quite stupid lol! Someone should also introduce some of the East Indians at work to deoderant :|

I would never allow my kids to be friends with them though. Sigrun made a very good point on that. I've seen too much of their "lovely"cultures in this city for my liking.

Johannes de León
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 06:21 PM
I think it's ok, as long as one know where to draw the line.

I have never had a non-Europid friend, in the strict sense of friend, mostly because they are inexistant here, i think.

Prince Eugen
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 08:01 PM
No!

+Suomut+
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 10:39 PM
lol, reminds me of the first time I saw a black person when I was a kid. Apparently I asked some questions as to why the lady was black very loudly. Apparently I my mom got really embarassed at that ...I kind of got rather "racist" at a young age (grade 6 or 7 I think) so it didn't leave much time for friendships with non WhitesThat's HILARIOUS!!! sweetheart!!! :lol (http://www.forums.skadi.net/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=202#) I've been around negroes since a baby, sadly, so I can't even remember the first time I saw one. :~( I'll tell ya' a story about my little sis' when she was about 6 or 7 yrs. old (and I was 11 or 12)...she, our mom, and me were in a checkout line at the grocery store and she pointed to a black woman and spoke to mom, "look at that nigga', momma!" :rotfl (http://www.forums.skadi.net/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=202#):giggle (http://www.forums.skadi.net/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=202#)...now talk about embarassment!, my mother was!!! LOL...I remember thinking "OMG!" LOL ;) Well, the 'cat was out of the bag' at that point and the negroes then knew that we were 'RaCiStS!' hahaha hehehe That was in the '70s (in the American South), if that were to happen today...I tremble to think what would happen to such a White family in such a situation. :|


...I've seen too much of their "lovely"cultures in this city for my liking.HEAR! HEAR! darling!!!...me too (you know, I've told you before). :|

I can tell by how the poll's going that there are quite a few 'liberal'/'open-minded' persons onsite...no surprise, though, I figured that out a long time ago. I am without question one of the most 'racist' men on this site, but it's 'natural' for me, I was born and deeply reared in it...i.e., 'racist-Southern-White-American society.' :fhhorse: (http://www.forums.skadi.net/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=202#)<--the only thing missing in that smilie is a Confederate Battle Flag! hehehe :D

JoeDas
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 11:03 PM
To all those who said 'No' (and also those who said 'Yes' if you want), what is your first reaction and opinion when you see something like the below photo of a Soccer team? Do you think it is a bad thing that this soccer team consists of boys from many different racial backgrounds? If so, why?

http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=15747

Mac Seafraidh
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 11:08 PM
Nein für mich!!!

+Suomut+
Thursday, July 8th, 2004, 11:51 PM
To all those who said 'No' (and also those who said 'Yes' if you want), what is your first reaction and opinion when you see something like the photo I have attached? Do you think it is a bad thing that this soccer team consists of boys from many different racial backgrounds? If so, why?Well, I've had a thousand 'first reactions' in my life to such things, I am VERY sad to say. Yes, I think it is a VERY bad thing, for it fosters at an early age the notion of "we're all one big, happy human family (i.e. 'one world')," which drives me up the wall, since I know and understand the elements at work and behind such abominations :| ...and furthermore, it also fosters at an early age in kids the notions that multi-racial societies are 'normal'/'acceptable'; that 'team-work' and 'getting along' with others are more important values than blood-kinships; that (ultimately) for Europids being with/socializing with/dating/marrying with/copulating with non-Europids is completely acceptable; etc., etc....so, simply put, in their own small way such 'relationships' are racially destructive (and that's what 'they' want). :|

That picture has to be American...I'll refrain from cussing... :| ...such a picture would have been nearly impossible prior to 40, 50 years ago.

Telperion
Friday, July 9th, 2004, 02:00 AM
To all those who said 'No' (and also those who said 'Yes' if you want), what is your first reaction and opinion when you see something like the photo I have attached? Do you think it is a bad thing that this soccer team consists of boys from many different racial backgrounds? If so, why?What I find disturbing about that photo is not so much that there would have been no brown faces in it if it had been taken in 1900, as that if current trends continue there won't be any white faces in such a photo taken in 2100. In other words, this issue has to be looked at in a dynamic and not a static way.

This raises another important point, which is that our current problems are rooted in the attitudes that most white people have on this subject. To wit, they have been brainwashed into thinking that racialism is evil, and so stand as passive witnesses to the invasion of their own countries, to their becoming minorities in their own lands. If these attitudes can't be reversed on an individual level, then there is certainly no hope of reversing this trend.

Scoob
Friday, July 9th, 2004, 06:11 AM
I think many Whites in the USA act in ways that promote racial self-segregation. They move to suburbs or exurbs, send their kids to private schools, etc. They do not publicly speak out against racial diversity, but their actions speak louder than words. These actions are a type of retreat.

Telperion
Friday, July 9th, 2004, 06:18 AM
I think many Whites in the USA act in ways that promote racial self-segregation. They move to suburbs or exurbs, send their kids to private schools, etc. They do not publicly speak out against racial diversity, but their actions speak louder than words. These actions are a type of retreat.
That's true, but it is also a sort of counter-productive escapism. With over a million immigrants pouring into the US each year (2.7 million per year, according to one statistic I've seen), retreating into a white suburb or exurb is really the equivalent of burying their collective head in the sand. Nothing is being done to get at the root of the problem.

NormanBlood
Friday, July 9th, 2004, 06:21 AM
That's HILARIOUS!!! sweetheart!!! :lol (http://www.forums.skadi.net/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=202#) she, our mom, and me were in a checkout line at the grocery store and she pointed to a black woman and spoke to mom, "look at that nigga', momma!"

LOL!!!! That must have been PRICELESS!! :D


:rotfl (http://www.forums.skadi.net/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=202#):giggle (http://www.forums.skadi.net/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=202#)I tremble to think what would happen to such a White family in such a situation. :|

Indeed, 'tis sad to think of it ;(


To all those who said 'No' (and also those who said 'Yes' if you want), what is your first reaction and opinion when you see something like the below photo of a Soccer team? Do you think it is a bad thing that this soccer team consists of boys from many different racial backgrounds? If so, why?

Suomut did a good job of explaining why it is a bad thing. I'd just like to add that this whole "multicultural atmosphere" does not give a child, especially at that age, any ground to stand on. Children, and people in general, need a sense of belonging. A multicultural atmosphere like that simply does not provide that feeling. I am sure a child would feel much more comfortable on, in the situation, a soccer team full of Kinsmen where they can work together would provide a better atmosphere. And instead of being emersed in this "nigger culture" undoubtably brought along with those children themselves they'll be able to stick to and strengthen their own culture. That is the PROBLEM today, at least in this city. People don't have any sense of community, belonging or kinship and so the teenagers wander around aimlessly and end up in this sick modern "culture".

Jack
Friday, July 9th, 2004, 07:12 AM
I don't see anything wrong with having nonwhite friends. I simply dislike people who fetishize it.

Ditto.

Evolved
Friday, July 9th, 2004, 08:44 AM
Yes, being friends with people of other racial, ethnic, religious backgrounds is an excellent source of first-hand information about human differences. I would be really disappointed if my children turned out to be full of ignorant hatred for other people. If they are going to dislike someone, I hope it is for a good reason. I take more issue with white children being around adult gays, alcoholics, or drug users than having a friend of another background.

Marius
Friday, July 9th, 2004, 10:13 AM
I think one should define its vision of "multiculturalism" before using this term. There are ones who refer to multiculturalism when they speak of ean environment formed by people belonging to more than one race. There are ones who are speaking about the same term, regarding a community formed of people belonging to more than one sub-race. In the same lines, multiculturalism is seen sometimes of a group of people from more than one region of Europe (Western, Northern, Southern, Central or Eastern). There are also people speaking about multiculturalism when they refer to a group of people belonging to different regions of the same country.

So, please, before launching yourselves in attacks of "multiculturalism", provide your definition of the term.

Phlegethon
Friday, July 9th, 2004, 02:05 PM
As far as compatibility of beliefs is concerned it seems as if non-white friends are more likely than white ones nowadays. Of course it's all theoretical for me as I don't have friends - just comrades who naturally happen to be not only white but German to boot.

+Suomut+
Sunday, July 11th, 2004, 11:58 AM
To all those who said 'No' (and also those who said 'Yes' if you want), what is your first reaction and opinion when you see something like the below photo of a Soccer team? Do you think it is a bad thing that this soccer team consists of boys from many different racial backgrounds? If so, why?

http://www.forums.skadi.net/image.php?u=2421&dateline=1089308767
http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=15747Am I mistaken, Joe, or is that you in the bottom row, 2nd from the left? If I am correct, then, esp. given your vote, were you at one time friends with one or more of the non-Europid members of this team?; and if so, are you still friends with said persons? Regardless, thank you for posting this thread, it has been an eye-opener for me in many respects.

One thing I can potentially see coming out of a group along the lines of this one is that most if not all of the Europid members of it would grow up to have little (if any) sense of racial (or subracial) consciousness whereas surely some of the Negroid members of it would, although to a mild and rather apathetic (to their own kind) degree. So, said hypothetical group grows up together, potentially, within the same general geographical vicinity (for the sake of discussion in the urban American Northeast)...they end up in high school together on the school's soccer/'football' team...and they all grew up/played together, so that by high school they're all well acquainted with each other and probably socialize with each other to a significant extent (being teamates with similar athletic interests)...so that when prom-nights roll around and these guys start looking for dates, 'race' will in all probablity have little if anything to do with whom they 'ask out,' etc., etc. (perchance one of the Negroids might actually decide to 'do the right thing' and ask out a Blackgirl...maybe)...to the point that the 'goal' (pun intended) of the 'powers-that-be' that these 'teammates' all have been subjected to, albeit completely ignorant of; namely, the mixing of the human 'races' for the purposes of 'saving' the human species, will have been taken one step closer to actualization.


...I am sure a child would feel much more comfortable on, in the situation, a soccer team full of Kinsmen where they can work together would provide a better atmosphere....Indeed, sadly this situation and atmosphere is being systematically undermined the globe over, esp. in the 'Western world.'


...And instead of being emersed in this "nigger culture" undoubtably brought along with those children themselves they'll be able to stick to and strengthen their own culture. That is the PROBLEM today, at least in this city. People don't have any sense of community, belonging or kinship and so the teenagers wander around aimlessly and end up in this sick modern "culture".It's called 'divide and conquer'...even this website is patently divided...the poll says a lot IMHO: there are essentially 2 camps in this regard: 1.) those who are sincere and loyal 'racists/racialists' who possess strong racial-awarenesses; and 2.) those who are potentially dubious 'racists/racialists' whose racial-awarenesses range from weak to non-existent...

Here are the poll stats as of ~10:00 GMT, 11 July 2004:


The 'Yes' Voters (according to meta-ethnicity) [23 votes]:


Celts:alien (http://www.forums.skadi.net/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=202#): 2 (8.7%)

Finns: 2 (8.7%)

Greeks: 0 (0%)

Latins:hispanic (http://www.forums.skadi.net/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=202#): 2 (8.7%)

Other :negro (http://www.forums.skadi.net/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=202#): 3 (13%)

Slavs:russian (http://www.forums.skadi.net/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=202#): 6 (26.1%)

Teutons:eminem (http://www.forums.skadi.net/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=202#): 8 (34.8%)

The 'No' Voters (according to meta-ethnicity) [17 votes]:


Celts:clover (http://www.forums.skadi.net/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=202#):ignome (http://www.forums.skadi.net/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=202#): 4 (23.5%)

Finns: 0 (0%)

Greeks: 2 (11.8%)

Latins: 0 (0%)

Other: 0 (0%)

Slavs: 0 (0%)

Teutons:valkyrie (http://www.forums.skadi.net/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=202#):viking (http://www.forums.skadi.net/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=202#): 11 (64.7%)

Draw your own conclusions to the above...I'll keep my own conclusions to myself and my friends.



P.S.--if a global 'race war' ever does break out, and you actually give a damn about 'race'...my advice to you would be to run as fast as could :bunny (http://www.forums.skadi.net/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=202#)toward the Teutonic and Celtic dominated areas of the globe (and pray as hard as you could that said meta-ethnicities would take you in and protect you).



My HAILS/HEILS! Go Out To All You 'No' Voters!,

+Suomut+

Phlegethon
Sunday, July 11th, 2004, 12:08 PM
There are indeed two camps: Totally insecure, intimidated ideological ghetto race nutzis and the rest.

+Suomut+
Sunday, July 11th, 2004, 12:43 PM
There are indeed two camps: Toally insecure, intimidated ideological ghettos race nutzis and the rest.(+Suomut+-->) :idolize (http://www.forums.skadi.net/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=202#) :butt (http://www.forums.skadi.net/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=202#) (<--Phlegethon) :lol (http://www.forums.skadi.net/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=202#):smilies (http://www.forums.skadi.net/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=202#):lol (http://www.forums.skadi.net/misc.php?do=getsmilies&wysiwyg=1&forumid=202#)

JoeDas
Monday, July 12th, 2004, 04:17 AM
Actually I am in that photo, but I'm not the one you think. I'm the one on the far left standing up. That photo was taken in 1993 in Arlington, Virginia, USA. I was friends at one time or another with all the boys in the photo, except for the one I am standing next to, and the boy who is kneeling and holding the ball (I never knew either of them well). All the rest were good friends of mine back then, but the one standing up on the far right (not the coach) is the only one who I am still close friends with, but back in Elementary school I was good friends with almost all of them.

I know where about 3/4ths of the boys in that photo are today, and to my knowledge none of the black guys were/are with White girls and vice versa, same thing for the two Hispanics in the photo. I'm not 100% sure of this because admittedly I am only still close with one of them and have totally lost track of 1/4th of them. One thing I do know for sure is that my old friend Dwayne (the third from left standing) definitely took a Black girl to prom, so I guess that'll be good news for you


http://www.forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=15747

cosmocreator
Sunday, July 18th, 2004, 10:27 PM
In respect to this thread at Skadi:
http://www.forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=14556

It is not a good idea to have inter-racial friendships especially if you have children. Children who grow up around different races will become accustomed to them. They will not view them as foreign because they won't be. They'll be family friends.

And when it comes time, and for me it can't come soon enough, that we send the mud races back to where they came from (or become separate from them in some respect), what do you do with these inter-racial friends? Are you going to become another Schindler and hide them from the police?

In today's world, we may have to cooperate with them on a professional level, but that doesn't mean becoming friends with them.

Nordhammer
Sunday, July 18th, 2004, 11:06 PM
They're not okay, they should be avoided. Creating emotional bonds with nonEuropeans and nonwhites (and in our case nonNords) is contrary to racial separatism. This is especially troublesome for women, who are greatly influenced by emotional relationships.

Evolved
Sunday, July 18th, 2004, 11:28 PM
I don't consider people of other races as "mud," and I see that as a destructive attitude. That is exactly the attitude which has led to most historical interracial sex in the first place. Once you dehumanize a person you can do whatever you want to them.

So you don't want whites to have non-white friends. How about eating non-white food? Listening to non-white music? Looking at non-white art? How about travel to non-white countries? I'm actually in favor of all these things in moderation, because like most people I'm curious about the world. :rolleyes:

My city has a very tolerable level of multiculturalism (92% white), I like a little bit of multicult ~ only for the different restaurants. I had some non-white friends all through my school days - Vietnamese, Koreans, Indians - the smart kids. I don't see any adverse effects, as I have never had the urge to date outside my race.

Nordhammer
Monday, July 19th, 2004, 12:44 AM
My city has a very tolerable level of multiculturalism (92% white), I like a little bit of multicult ~ only for the different restaurants. I had some non-white friends all through my school days - Vietnamese, Koreans, Indians - the smart kids. I don't see any adverse effects, as I have never had the urge to date outside my race.

What about your brother (and the views expressed by your parents and sister)? What about so many other families that multiculturalism has a greater affect on? Just because you don't succumb to interracialism doesn't mean it isn't a destructive force, it is. You must think beyond yourself.

Eating different cuisine doesn't establish an emotional relationship which affects your political and social views. Tho I would advise against supporting Asians and other invaders, it only makes them wealthy and invites more of their kind. We have so many Asian restaurants here it's ridiculous.

Prodigal Son
Monday, July 19th, 2004, 03:55 AM
This quote expresses my feelings on the matter perfectly :

"The honest man draws the line in the street. The hypocrite draws the line in his daughter's bedroom."

--George Lincoln Rockwell.

The problem is, friendship with non-whites is of a slippery-sort type. Before long, your non-white friend will have designs on a female family member of yours.,or perhaps more disturbingly, you will grow attracted to an opposite-sex member of his/her family. Such is human nature. Complete territorial seperation is the only way to avoid a future that looks like India or Brazil.

NormanBlood
Monday, July 19th, 2004, 05:09 AM
As I posted on Skadi, I really DON'T think its ok. LG, I grew up (and am still living in) one of the most multicultural cities in North America. The current population of my city is less that 50% White. Its starts off as "92%" but wait till it advances more to the point where other Whites accept racism against themselves and fully accept their own racial suicide. The problem is it starts off as "only admiring" nonWhite cuisine, nonWhite cultures and languages etc. until you have a city like Toronto with an Ontarian gov't that is even CONSIDERING bringing in Islamic law in order to be "fair' to Muslim immigrants when these same immigrants have no respect for Canadian laws or the Canadian people. Its fine to insult Canadians of French and British descent..but even make a negative remark about a black and you're attacked immediately. To understand the harm multiculturalism can cause you truly have to live in an extreme multicultural environment. I'm sure Whites from Brazil and other South American nations can elaborate on this further.

So yes, for me interracial "friendships" are quite out of the question ;)

Freja
Monday, July 19th, 2004, 05:33 AM
I don't consider people of other races as "mud," and I see that as a destructive attitude.

My sentiments exactly. I was going to post a plea to be very careful how we talk about coloured people - "muds". I do not think degrading other races will do our cause any good.

Interracial friendship is of no concern here in Norway, especially in my city. Immigrants are so few still that my little boy was completely flabbergasted when he saw an adopted negroid boy in his kindergarten. He had never seen a black person. :D

Nordhammer
Monday, July 19th, 2004, 06:28 AM
My sentiments exactly. I was going to post a plea to be very careful how we talk about coloured people - "muds". I do not think degrading other races will do our cause any good.

My American forefathers proclaimed by law that blacks (and really all nonwhites) were 3/5th of a person (in other words, sub-human).


Interracial friendship is of no concern here in Norway, especially in my city. Immigrants are so few still that my little boy was completely flabbergasted when he saw an adopted negroid boy in his kindergarten. He had never seen a black person. :D

But it is a growing issue, and for certain parts of Norway and Sweden it's a huge problem. It will certainly be a problem for your child as he gets older as nonwhites continue to immigrate to your country, so it would be a good idea to educate him appropriately.

FadeTheButcher
Monday, July 19th, 2004, 07:12 AM
I don't support racial separatism because I hate nonwhites. I don't see anything wrong with having interracial friendships (i.e., those of a non-sexual nature) so long as it is not fetishised like it is today. Good fences make good neighbours -- that is my philosophy.

Zyklop
Monday, July 19th, 2004, 08:01 AM
Interracial friendship is of no concern here in Norway, especially in my city. Immigrants are so few still that my little boy was completely flabbergasted when he saw an adopted negroid boy in his kindergarten. He had never seen a black person. :D

That is good to hear but it will change sooner or later. There were no black children in my Kindergarten 20 years ago either.

Nordhammer
Monday, July 19th, 2004, 08:35 AM
I don't support racial separatism because I hate nonwhites. I don't see anything wrong with having interracial friendships (i.e., those of a non-sexual nature) so long as it is not fetishised like it is today. Good fences make good neighbours -- that is my philosophy.

People don't work that way. If people can develop meaningful interracial friendships then they too can develop interracial romantic relationships.

An oppressive caste system didn't stop India from being mongrelized over time.

FadeTheButcher
Monday, July 19th, 2004, 09:08 AM
>>>An oppressive caste system didn't stop India from being mongrelized over time.

I did not suggest that I was in favour of a segregationist approach (of either the American or Indian variety), as I support separatism, only that I see nothing objectionable -- in principle -- to interracial friendships. Even if separatism is achieved (by some miracle), then there will still be people of other races in this world. They will always be present and it will be necessary to establish post-separatist international relationships with them.

>>>People don't work that way. If people can develop meaningful interracial friendships then they too can develop interracial romantic relationships.

This is a slippery slope argument that I disagree with. It does not logically follow that people who develop interracial friendships will develop romantic interracial relationships with them. Or lets use an even more pertinent example, trade. Even if separatism is achieved, I would argue that business with other nations (say, the Japanese) would continue.

cosmocreator
Monday, July 19th, 2004, 07:34 PM
I don't consider people of other races as "mud," and I see that as a destructive attitude. That is exactly the attitude which has led to most historical interracial sex in the first place. Once you dehumanize a person you can do whatever you want to them.

I disagree. I think what kept blacks from whites was whites referring to them as niggers, coons, or whatever. Asians are gooks, or Pakis. It is good to view them differently, below you, foreign, hated. Anything to keep them away. Being friends with them doesn't keep them away.


So you don't want whites to have non-white friends. How about eating non-white food? Listening to non-white music? Looking at non-white art? How about travel to non-white countries? I'm actually in favor of all these things in moderation, because like most people I'm curious about the world. :rolleyes:

I don't listen to non-white music. I listen to country and classical. What is non-white food? If I eat steak and mashed potatoes cooked by a Chinamen, is that non-white food? What about chicken fried rice cooked by a white man?

I'd support the idea of traveling to a non-white country over having them live in my country.


My city has a very tolerable level of multiculturalism (92% white), I like a little bit of multicult ~ only for the different restaurants. I had some non-white friends all through my school days - Vietnamese, Koreans, Indians - the smart kids. I don't see any adverse effects, as I have never had the urge to date outside my race.

Personally I don't think you belong at this board. I think you have an Eastern race-soul.

Nordhammer
Monday, July 19th, 2004, 09:40 PM
This is a slippery slope argument that I disagree with. It does not logically follow that people who develop interracial friendships will develop romantic interracial relationships with them. Or lets use an even more pertinent example, trade. Even if separatism is achieved, I would argue that business with other nations (say, the Japanese) would continue.

It doesn't logically follow that personal relationships can lead to romantic relationships? People are not robots, we are emotional beings.

Your separatist argument validates my statement. That separatism is necessary for racial preservation. If separatism wasn't necessary and people could have personal relationships without many becoming romantic, then none of this would be necessary.

Political and business relationships are completely different from social ones, especially considering most of the former are males dealing with males.

FadeTheButcher
Tuesday, July 20th, 2004, 07:01 AM
>>>It doesn't logically follow that personal relationships can lead to romantic relationships? People are not robots, we are emotional beings.

My argument is this: Just because someone might have friends of another race, it does not necessarily follow that such friendships will become romantic. Take the Japanese for example. During the Second World War, Japan was Germany's strongest ally. This does not imply that race-mixing was going on, only that the Germans respected the Japanese and vice versa. Indeed, it is entirely possible for a person of Nordish ancestry to respect individuals of other races and develop friendships with them. For instance, Dr. Brandt admires the Arabs because of their resistance in the face of Jewish oppression.

>>>Your separatist argument validates my statement.

How so?

>>>That separatism is necessary for racial preservation.

I think we have different conceptions of separatism here. For me, separatism means grounding citizenship in racial ancestry and politically excluding those who do not meet such racial requirements. For example, Africans would no longer be eligible to immigrate to the U.S. and naturalize as citizens. Likewise, Negroes and other nonwhites would be deported from U.S. territory. This, however, does not entail breaking off all contact whatsoever with the outside world, only that such relationships, most importantly trade, would be reformulated on a racial basis.

>>>If separatism wasn't necessary and people could have personal relationships without many becoming romantic, then none of this would be necessary.

Separatism is necessary because we cannot maintain our racial integrity in a multiracial environment, which degenerates into nothing but a demographic rat race in which we will inevitably come out on the short end of the stick. Once separatism is achieved, however, and enshrined into law, I don't see any problem in have friends of other races.

>>>Political and business relationships are completely different from social ones, especially considering most of the former are males dealing with males.

Perhaps you should clarify your views regarding separatism here.

cosmocreator
Tuesday, July 20th, 2004, 07:40 AM
My argument is this: Just because someone might have friends of another race, it does not necessarily follow that such friendships will become romantic. Take the Japanese for example. During the Second World War, Japan was Germany's strongest ally. This does not imply that race-mixing was going on, only that the Germans respected the Japanese and vice versa. Indeed, it is entirely possible for a person of Nordish ancestry to respect individuals of other races and develop friendships with them. For instance, Dr. Brandt admires the Arabs because of their resistance in the face of Jewish oppression.




Sure, be friends with them when they're thousands of miles away in their own countries. But when they are in my country, they are invaders. They are not friends.

Nordhammer
Tuesday, July 20th, 2004, 07:50 AM
My argument is this: Just because someone might have friends of another race, it does not necessarily follow that such friendships will become romantic.

No one said having nonwhite friends means you will automatically be in a romantic relationship with one. However having emotional relationships with nonwhites makes you sympathetic to them, and with the opposite sex it increases the probability of a romantic relationship happening vs someone who does not associate with nonwhites on a personal level as close friends. Being civil to them and working with them at your job or whatever is different, it's purely business or casual. I'm talking about close friendships, like inviting people to your house or going out with them, etc.


Take the Japanese for example. During the Second World War, Japan was Germany's strongest ally. This does not imply that race-mixing was going on, only that the Germans respected the Japanese and vice versa.

An alliance during wartime has nothing to do with having close friendships with nonwhites in a multicultural environment.


Indeed, it is entirely possible for a person of Nordish ancestry to respect individuals of other races and develop friendships with them. For instance, Dr. Brandt admires the Arabs because of their resistance in the face of Jewish oppression.

Respecting others and having personal friendships with them are different things.

Dr. Brandt entertains nonwhites at his house? :) He has personal relationships with nonwhite women? I doubt it.

We aren't talking about certain individuals who are extremist males and able to control themselves. We're talking about general principles that are good for our children and people. You would feel comfortable if your child brings home black friends? You would feel comfortable if your teenage daughter brought home black boys as "friends" to your house? I doubt it.


>>>Your separatist argument validates my statement.

How so?

You think it's a good idea and necessary to geographically separate nonwhites from our living space, otherwise racemixing will take place to some degree. The same exact principle behind not having nonwhite friends. If you think everyone is capable of having nonwhites of the opposite sex around them and as friends without racemixing ever being an issue, then separatism is not necessary.


I think we have different conceptions of separatism here. For me, separatism means grounding citizenship in racial ancestry and politically excluding those who do not meet such racial requirements. For example, Africans would no longer be eligible to immigrate to the U.S. and naturalize as citizens. Likewise, Negroes and other nonwhites would be deported from U.S. territory. This, however, does not entail breaking off all contact whatsoever with the outside world, only that such relationships, most importantly trade, would be reformulated on a racial basis.

Sounds about right.

I don't think you're making the distinction between common social mingling and personal friendships with nonwhites vs political alliances and trade. No one is talking about cutting off all ties to everyone else in the world politically and economically.



Separatism is necessary because we cannot maintain our racial integrity in a multiracial environment, which degenerates into nothing but a demographic rat race in which we will inevitably come out on the short end of the stick. Once separatism is achieved, however, and enshrined into law, I don't see any problem in have friends of other races.

Why is separatism necessary if you think everyone can have nonwhite friends of the opposite sex and nothing romantic ever come of it?


Perhaps you should clarify your views regarding separatism here.

Geographic separation (deportation/repatriation), race-based citizenship, and national borders enforced. Not political and economic isolation, tho we need to take care of our own and stop selling our people out for cheap third-world labor.

FadeTheButcher
Tuesday, July 20th, 2004, 08:40 AM
>>>No one said having nonwhite friends means you will automatically be in a romantic relationship with one.

Explain to me what you are disputing here then.

>>>However having emotional relationships with nonwhites makes you sympathetic to them, and with the opposite sex it increases the probability of a romantic relationship happening vs someone who does not associate with nonwhites on a personal level as close friends.

This is another example of the slippery slope fallacy:

The Slippery Slope Argument

This argument states that should one event occur, so will other harmful events. There is no proof made that the harmful events are caused by the first event. For example:


"If we legalize marijuana, then more people would start to take crack and heroin, and we'd have to legalize those too. Before long we'd have a nation full of drug-addicts on welfare. Therefore we cannot legalize marijuana."

http://www.infidels.org/news/atheism/logic.html#slope

>>>Being civil to them and working with them at your job or whatever is different, it's purely business or casual. I'm talking about close friendships, like inviting people to your house or going out with them, etc.

I am not sure I get your point, Nordhammer. As a separatist, I do not support racially mixed societies. So its not like such individuals would be seeing people of other races on an everyday basis, if that seems to be what you are getting at here.

>>>An alliance during wartime has nothing to do with having close friendships with nonwhites in a multicultural environment.

A.) I never suggested that I supported racially mixed societies.
B.) I explicitly stated otherwise.
C.) I am not sure what multiculturalism has to do with this, as culture and race are not the same thing.
D.) The alliance between the Japanese and the Germans was based upon a friendship.

>>>Respecting others and having personal friendships with them are different things.

Once again, I don't see any contradiction between being a racist and having friends of other races. There are subhumans within every race, including our own, for instance, the anti-racist scum and the race-mixers. Likewise, there are decent people within all races and it is entirely possible to establish non-romantic, positive relationships with such individuals. Separatism is not about hating people because they are of a different race, but about preserving one's own race and culture in an environment more suitable to its progression.

>>>Dr. Brandt entertains nonwhites at his house? He has personal relationships with nonwhite women? I doubt it.

Dr. Brandt knows people of other races that he would consider to be friends. Likewise, I am sure I could name several nonwhites that I would consider friends. These people are entirely aware of our racial views, and in some cases, even share them. So what is the problem with that? Why should such individuals be held in lower regard than white, anti-racist, jew-worshipping, miscegenating scum? There is no more equality within race than there is between races.

>>>We aren't talking about certain individuals who are extremist males and able to control themselves.

Once again, I don't see anything extremist about being a racist, supporting separatism, and establishing positive relationships with people of other races. This was more or less the way the world worked until quite recently.

>>>We're talking about general principles that are good for our children and people.

I don't think we should operate on the materialist notion that individuals have innate value simply because they are white or they are Nordic. Being white or Nordic simply is not good enough, although that is a plus. That alone does not cut it and we should not give such people a false sense of superiority over others. The anti-racist, white trash degenerate, the Eminem's and Jew lovers of this world, are the scum of the Earth and should be regarded as such. They are by far lower on the evolutionary ladder than the self-respecting, hard-working separatist Japanese man who wants to preserve the racial and cultural integrity of his own nation.

>>>You would feel comfortable if your child brings home black friends?

I made it clear earlier that I do not support racially mixed societies. So this is a moot issue.

>>>You would feel comfortable if your teenage daughter brought home black boys as "friends" to your house? I doubt it.

Once again, in a separatist society Nordhammer, there would be no Negroes to bring home as friends. This does not mean we should hate Negroes who live in Black Africa, who simply go about their own business eating each other for whatever reason. :p

>>>You think it's a good idea and necessary to geographically separate nonwhites from our living space, otherwise racemixing will take place to some degree.

I support racial separatism because I am not convinced that our racial and cultural integrity can be maintained in an integrated environment. It thus follows that I would attach a positive evaluation to a separatist solution. I do not support racial separatism because I hate Arabs because they are Arabs or Japanese because the are Japanese. The only problem I have with these people is that they are infringing upon my space. What problem do I have with the Chinaman in China? The Korean in Korea? Interracial relationships should not be fetished, as they are today, simply in reaction to the white supremacist view that prevailed earlier.

>>>The same exact principle behind not having nonwhite friends.

I disagree. I support separatism, as I noted before, not out of hostility to other races because they are other races, but because they are making themselves a nuisance in my territory. Its a matter of space more than anything else. I don't see why we could not get along with other races so long as the integrity of our space was maintained.

>>>If you think everyone is capable of having nonwhites of the opposite sex around them and as friends without racemixing ever being an issue, then separatism is not necessary.

Once again, I am not following your logic here, as simply having friends of other races does not necessarily lead to romantic interracial relationships. Most people simply do not go about their daily life looking at everything from such a sexual perspective. And this is a moot issue anyway, as there would hardly be any daily contact with members of other races in a separatist society anyway.

>>>Sounds about right.

Alright. What then is the problem?

>>>I don't think you're making the distinction between common social mingling and personal friendships with nonwhites vs political alliances and trade. No one is talking about cutting off all ties to everyone else in the world politically and economically.

So let me get this straight. In your separatist society Nordhammer, there was still be contact between whites and nonwhites? What would you do? Make it illegal to have friends of other races? :p

>>>Why is separatism necessary if you think everyone can have nonwhite friends of the opposite sex and nothing romantic ever come of it?

You are setting up a straw man, Nordhammer. I never suggested that having interracial friendships does not lead to romantic involvement, only that this is not necessarily the case. Quite obviously, in some instances, this is true, so it is best to avoid this situation altogether by separating. This, however, does not logically mean that interracial friendships leads to interracial romance.

>>>Geographic separation (deportation/repatriation), race-based citizenship, and national borders enforced.

Alright. I agree.

>>>Not political and economic isolation, tho we need to take care of our own and stop selling our people out for cheap third-world labor.

I am not a fan of free trade myself. Do you consider yourself to be a protectionist, economically speaking?

Nordhammer
Tuesday, July 20th, 2004, 10:27 AM
Explain to me what you are disputing here then.

Let's not go in circles. I stated that having an integrated society and living an integrated life, i.e., having personal relationships with nonwhites, increases the probability of interracial romantic relationships. You create the strawman of an absolute and then call it a fallacy. When in fact the fundamental value of racial separation is this accepted truth: that an integrated society, or personal contact with other races, potentially leads to some degree of miscegenation. Thus it is beneficial to completely separate the races. It's contradictory for you to insist that we can all embrace nonwhites into our personal lives and homes without any threat of miscegenation, but then insist racial separation is necessary to ensure our survival.


This is another example of the slippery slope fallacy:

The Slippery Slope Argument

This argument states that should one event occur, so will other harmful events. There is no proof made that the harmful events are caused by the first event.

Misused. There IS proof that harmful events (miscegenation) are caused by the first event (integration, a multiracial environment). Miscegenation has increased steadily over the years because of further integration and efforts to make whites have personal relationships with nonwhites and see them as equals.


A.) I never suggested that I supported racially mixed societies.

Yet on a smaller level you support a racially mixed environment for individuals who have nonwhite friends.


Once again, I don't see any contradiction between being a racist and having friends of other races.

You just think the act of having nonwhite children is an issue? Everything else that leads up to that point is irrelevant?


there are decent people within all races

:D :rolleyes:


These people are entirely aware of our racial views, and in some cases, even share them.

Who are these people? They live in America? Your nonwhite friends in America think it's a great idea for them to leave and never be citizens? Well why don't they start now? :)


So what is the problem with that? Why should such individuals be held in lower regard than white, anti-racist, jew-worshipping, miscegenating scum?

You're a separatist who believes that having nonwhites friends is a great thing. No contradiction there? :) That's not exactly setting a good example is it?


There is no more equality within race than there is between races.

Point being? Is this your way of justifying your nonwhite relationships? Sounds like the anti-racist view that "there is more genetic diversity within races than between them" so race is meaningless.


I don't think we should operate on the materialist notion that individuals have innate value simply because they are white or they are Nordic. Being white or Nordic simply is not good enough, although that is a plus.

Sounds contradictory. Race does have innate value, that's the whole point. You said before that citizenship is based on race, thus it does have innate value. Is it the only value? - No. But, race is fundamental and has first priority. Otherwise we are starting to get into the debate of cognitive elitism vs racialism.



I made it clear earlier that I do not support racially mixed societies. So this is a moot issue.

But you support a racially mixed group of friends, which I find strange.


Once again, in a separatist society Nordhammer, there would be no Negroes to bring home as friends.

Obviously not, but currently we are in a multiracial society, and you are supporting a multiracial group of friends as being a positive thing.


I support racial separatism because I am not convinced that our racial and cultural integrity can be maintained in an integrated environment.

Slippery Slope Fallacy. :p No, I agree with you of course. Human history, observations of the animal world, and statistics on racemixing prove this right.


Once again, I am not following your logic here, as simply having friends of other races does not necessarily lead to romantic interracial relationships.

Neither does living in a multiracial environment necessarily lead to miscegenation. Thus you are defeating your own validity for racial separation.


So let me get this straight. In your separatist society Nordhammer, there was still be contact between whites and nonwhites? What would you do? Make it illegal to have friends of other races? :p

There would be contact online and probably through tourism and such. Racemixing would possibly be a crime, as would giving birth to hybrids. It's probably impossible to completely eradicate it, but it wouldn't be a threat to our race and homeland as it is now.


Do you consider yourself to be a protectionist, economically speaking?

To some degree, yes. Naturally soulless corporations exploiting our people wouldn't be tolerated.

FadeTheButcher
Tuesday, July 20th, 2004, 12:08 PM
>>>To some degree, yes. Naturally soulless corporations exploiting our people wouldn't be tolerated.

I am not of the free market perspective myself. I would be in favour of working towards regional autarkies, for instance, an American-Canadian economic zone and a Western European economic zone. I call this 'regionalisation' as opposed to 'globalisation'.

>>>But you support a racially mixed group of friends, which I find strange.

Let me clarify myself. I do not see anything inherently wrong with interracial friendships. That is, I do not see anything wrong with them, in the abstract. I never suggested it was something that should be condemned or promoted, much less cultivated.

>>>You just think the act of having nonwhite children is an issue?

No. I said I had no problem with interracial friendships (of a non-sexual nature), that is, in the abstract.

>>>Everything else that leads up to that point is irrelevant?

The entire point of this discussion Nordhammer is having a friendship with a member of another race does not necessarily mean you will develop a romantic relationship with them. In some cases, yes, that happens, but it does not necessarily follow that interracial friendships turn into interracial romances. And as I pointed out before, this would be a moot issue anyway, as there would be no other races in a separatist society to begin with.

>>>Who are these people? They live in America? Your nonwhite friends in America think it's a great idea for them to leave and never be citizens? Well why don't they start now?

There are actually several Japanese guys here at my university doing graduate work. Like myself, they acknowledge the existence of racial differences. Indeed, in Japan, there is nothing controversial about this. It is simply common sense. They are here to study, not to become American citizens, much less assimilate into American culture. They stick with their own people outside of class. I have no problem getting along with such individuals.

>>>You're a separatist who believes that having nonwhites friends is a great thing. No contradiction there?

I am a separatist who does not see anything wrong, in the abstract, with having friends of different racial backgrounds. I don't see what is so controversial about this either. A few generations or so ago, this was the prevailing view.

>>>That's not exactly setting a good example is it?

I don't hate other races because they are other races, although there are racialists of that point of view. My problem stems from living in an integrated society which I desire to abolish. I would say this is setting a good example for racialists, actually.

>>>Point being?

All whites are not of equal value. Some are superior to others.

>>>Is this your way of justifying your nonwhite relationships?

No, I am just pointing out that that there are plenty of whites who are scum and these people are not inherently valuable simply because they are white. Eminem is white. What do I care about Eminem?

>>>Sounds like the anti-racist view that "there is more genetic diversity within races than between them" so race is meaningless.

Did I make that argument, Nordhammer? No, I did not. I simply argued that there is plenty of scum within the white race and that I hold upstanding men and women of other races in higher regard than I do white degenerates.

>>>Sounds contradictory.

There is nothing contradictory about my argument. I reject equality. That means I reject equality within race just as much as I do the notion that equal exists between races.

>>>Race does have innate value, that's the whole point.

I must have forgotten to mention that I do not believe in inherent value. So race does not possess any inherent value. It is something we give value.

>>>You said before that citizenship is based on race, thus it does have innate value.

In my view, citizenship should be based on race, but not because race has inherent value, but because I have given it value on the basis of my own values.

>>> Is it the only value? - No. But, race is fundamental and has first priority.

This is your own set of personal values.

>>>Otherwise we are starting to get into the debate of cognitive elitism vs racialism.

Not really. I do not justify my racialism on the basis of racial differences in intelligence, although there are again some racialists who do that.

>>>Obviously not, but currently we are in a multiracial society, and you are supporting a multiracial group of friends as being a positive thing.

You are misinterpreting me. Throughout this debate, it has been my argument that:

1.) There is nothing inherently wrong with having interracial friendships (of a non-sexual nature), that is, in the abstract.
2.) I support racial separatism.
3.) Once separatism is achieved, then I have no objection to cultivating friendships (again, non-sexual) with people of other races. I cited the business relationship earlier as an example of this.

>>>There would be contact online and probably through tourism and such. Racemixing would possibly be a crime, as would giving birth to hybrids. It's probably impossible to completely eradicate it, but it wouldn't be a threat to our race and homeland as it is now.

You really didn't answer my question here. In your racialist state, what would the status of interracial friendships be? Would you make it a crime to have a friend of another race? :p

>>>Misused. There IS proof that harmful events (miscegenation) are caused by the first event (integration, a multiracial environment). Miscegenation has increased steadily over the years because of further integration and efforts to make whites have personal relationships with nonwhites and see them as equals.

You said earlier you rejected such determinism and that was not your argument. Has this changed?

>>>Let's not go in circles. I stated that having an integrated society and living an integrated life, i.e., having personal relationships with nonwhites, increases the probability of interracial romantic relationships.

The issue that is being disputed here is whether or not such friendships necessarily lead to romantic relations.

>>>You create the strawman of an absolute and then call it a fallacy.

You argued earlier that having interracial friendships led to interracial romance. I said that was not necessarily so, that it is illogical to make such an argument, as that is clearly a case of the slippery slope fallacy. Now you have retreated to probability, which is something altogether different.

>>>When in fact the fundamental value of racial separation is this accepted truth: that an integrated society, or personal contact with other races, potentially leads to some degree of miscegenation.

I don't see this as being the fundamental value of racial separatism. Instead, I would argue that racial separatism is justified on the grounds that whites are being outbred by nonwhites in multiracial societies, not necessarily that they are mixing with them, although this is also a problem. There is some mixture going on, true, but it is not really all that much. The much bigger problem is the relative decline that is going on due to demographic expansion amongst nonwhites.

>>>Thus it is beneficial to completely separate the races.

You could argue that racial separatism is justified on the grounds that racially mixed societies lead to miscegenation. I would argue, however, that the much more powerful argument is that separatism is justified because of the relative decline of the white population viz the nonwhite population, that is, the white population is simply being outbred. Miscegenation is a problem, true, but it is a much smaller problem, as it is relatively localised and only going on with a small minority.

>>> It's contradictory for you to insist that we can all embrace nonwhites into our personal lives and homes without any threat of miscegenation, but then insist racial separation is necessary to ensure our survival.

You have set up a straw man here, Nordhammer. I have argued that interracial friendships do not necessarily become sexual ones. I never suggested that there was no threat that such interracial relationships may, in some cases, become sexual. Indeed, this entire argument is confusing, as your line of reasoning throughout this debate has more or less been a reductio ad Mynydd.

Carl Rylander
Tuesday, July 20th, 2004, 05:25 PM
Pardon me for butting in Fade, but I think you're mischaracterizing Nordhammer's argument.




You argued earlier that having interracial friendships led to interracial romance. I said that was not necessarily so, that it is illogical to make such an argument, as that is clearly a case of the slippery slope fallacy. Now you have retreated to probability, which is something altogether different.


Here's what Nordhammer originally said:


If people can develop meaningful interracial friendships then they too can develop interracial romantic relationships.

Note that Nordhammer said interracial friendships can lead to interracial romance; he did not say they must lead to interracial romance. So it appears you have mischaracterized his argument.

Evolved
Tuesday, July 20th, 2004, 09:09 PM
If people can develop meaningful interracial friendships then they too can develop interracial romantic relationships.

Actually, I think if you have zero interaction with people of other races, you'll be more likely to consider them for dating and you will like them more in general. This explains why Scandinavia and Great Britain have got more Negrophiles than Italy.

The wiggers around my area come from predominantly white cities and idolize a glamorized image of blacks they see on TV. Had they actually met some blacks (not necessarily become friends with them) I doubt they all would have turned out like that. The white people living in poor, predominantly black neighborhoods are either racemixers cohabiting with blacks or totally racist.

The main reason I would recommend having a few non-White friends (and no one is saying they have to be your best friends), is to be able to observe first hand the differences between various races and cultures.

Nordhammer
Tuesday, July 20th, 2004, 09:49 PM
The entire point of this discussion Nordhammer is having a friendship with a member of another race does not necessarily mean you will develop a romantic relationship with them. In some cases, yes, that happens, but it does not necessarily follow that interracial friendships turn into interracial romances. And as I pointed out before, this would be a moot issue anyway, as there would be no other races in a separatist society to begin with.

Yes, it would be a moot issue, but for now and many years to come it is an issue.

Let's make it simple. Group A of white people has no interaction with nonwhites. Group B of white people is totally integrated with nonwhites. Which group has the greater chance to have some degree of miscegenation occurring? Who has more racemixing, America or Iceland? :) While every individual in Group B won't necessarily race mix, there is the potential and probability that some will. If racial separatism is a good thing in theory, then why not engage in self-separation from nonwhites now? Keep in mind I'm talking about the masses, who don't share your beliefs and probably don't have your level of self-discipline and control.

Obviously we're talking about opposite sex relationships. But same sex friendships can lead to encounters with the opposite sex. For instance, I had an Asian acquaintance in highschool who liked me and wanted me to date his sister. I didn't of course. This was before I was racialist, even though I had the inclination (and why I refused). I also had a hapa friend who took me to this Korean restaurant once, and because of that I met a hapa girl who worked there, and she was very flirtatious. Something could have come of that as well. I have many more examples. So you see, these interactions many times lead to potential acts of miscegenation. Not that I or you would do such a thing, we are men of character, but we're talking about the masses, what would the average person do. That is who we must consider, since we are talking about race and populations as a whole, not extreme individuals.


No, I am just pointing out that that there are plenty of whites who are scum and these people are not inherently valuable simply because they are white. Eminem is white. What do I care about Eminem?

But Eminem does have inherent value to us because he is white/Nordish. He could be reformed. A wigger isn't necessarily a lost cause or scum of the earth, just a victim of our modern decadence.


I simply argued that there is plenty of scum within the white race and that I hold upstanding men and women of other races in higher regard than I do white degenerates.

Depending on the severity of a white's degeneracy, he or she can be reformed. In contrast, a nonwhite can never be made white. I dislike insulting my own people while praising nonwhites, I think this is a bad move.


I must have forgotten to mention that I do not believe in inherent value. So race does not possess any inherent value. It is something we give value.

You believe in inherent value enough to give all whites citizenship, unless they are in some way a criminal and that right is revoked, while rejecting all nonwhites, whether they are criminal or lawabiding, genius or idiot.

You see, that's why we are in the situation we're in, because the vast majority of people do not see any inherent value in race, thus why discriminate by it? It's every man for himself.


In my view, citizenship should be based on race, but not because race has inherent value, but because I have given it value on the basis of my own values.

Then you're living a lie?

It has inherent value to perpetuating our people.


I don't see this as being the fundamental value of racial separatism. Instead, I would argue that racial separatism is justified on the grounds that whites are being outbred by nonwhites in multiracial societies, not necessarily that they are mixing with them, although this is also a problem. There is some mixture going on, true, but it is not really all that much. The much bigger problem is the relative decline that is going on due to demographic expansion amongst nonwhites.

That's funny, because a few posts ago you said the opposite. You said integration is a threat to our racial integrity.

FadeTheButcher
"I support racial separatism because I am not convinced that our racial and cultural integrity can be maintained in an integrated environment."

Now you say it's not integrity, it's just displacement by their greater births.

I agree that displacement is a factor but I disagree it is the greater factor. Miscegenation is the killer, not nonwhites having more children. If miscegenation never happened we wouldn't have much to worry about as far as the continuation of our people, we would just be competing for resources at that point, which is managable because our people's racial integrity would always be intact and we are an intelligent and resourceful people. Jews have survived among other populations for thousands of years because they have maintained their racial and cultural integrity. Unfortunately the majority of our people are not that resolute.



You have set up a straw man here, Nordhammer. I have argued that interracial friendships do not necessarily become sexual ones. I never suggested that there was no threat that such interracial relationships may, in some cases, become sexual. Indeed, this entire argument is confusing, as your line of reasoning throughout this debate has more or less been a reductio ad Mynydd.

LOL You are creating your own reality and making many false assumptions, in actuality you are creating the straw men. I believed what I do long before that insane miscegenous troll surfaced. But that is another example of interaction leading to miscegenation.

Is he a friend of yours?

Nordhammer
Tuesday, July 20th, 2004, 10:00 PM
Actually, I think if you have zero interaction with people of other races, you'll be more likely to consider them for dating and you will like them more in general. This explains why Scandinavia and Great Britain have got more Negrophiles than Italy.

More Italians interact with Negroes? :D

If Scandinavia and Great Britain had no Negroes in their population to interact with, and never had any interaction with them otherwise, how would they date them? They couldn't. No, the culprit of this ignorance and deception is the propaganda machine which tells us we're all equal and that nonwhites are victims of white abuse, and our governments instituting laws against racism and enforcing integration.


The wiggers around my area come from predominantly white cities and idolize a glamorized image of blacks they see on TV. Had they actually met some blacks (not necessarily become friends with them) I doubt they all would have turned out like that.

Television and propaganda is to blame for that, not lack of interaction. There are plenty of wiggers who do interact with blacks as well.


The white people living in poor, predominantly black neighborhoods are either racemixers cohabiting with blacks or totally racist.

Exactly. The wiggers living in white suburbia who idolize blacks don't racemix since they don't interact with them. They just emulate what they see on TV like trained monkeys.


The main reason I would recommend having a few non-White friends (and no one is saying they have to be your best friends), is to be able to observe first hand the differences between various races and cultures.

We aren't talking about social anthropology studies. :D You can observe various people and groups without being personal friends with them and inviting them to your house. But if you think it's perfectly fine for white girls to entertain black men and be their personal friends, and white men to have close relationships with Asian women, then go ahead. We see what happened with your brother. ;)

Northern Paladin
Wednesday, July 21st, 2004, 01:07 AM
I think the key to the Preservation of the White Race(Of any Race) is Isolation so Interracial Friendships aren't a good idea. Close Physical and Emotional Proximity are the precursors of Miscegenation.

cosmocreator
Wednesday, July 21st, 2004, 01:31 AM
Actually, I think if you have zero interaction with people of other races, you'll be more likely to consider them for dating and you will like them more in general. This explains why Scandinavia and Great Britain have got more Negrophiles than Italy.

The wiggers around my area come from predominantly white cities and idolize a glamorized image of blacks they see on TV. Had they actually met some blacks (not necessarily become friends with them) I doubt they all would have turned out like that. The white people living in poor, predominantly black neighborhoods are either racemixers cohabiting with blacks or totally racist.

The main reason I would recommend having a few non-White friends (and no one is saying they have to be your best friends), is to be able to observe first hand the differences between various races and cultures.

It is better to travel to their own home country to experience them in their natural habitat. We don't want them living in our countries. We don't want to be friends with them as long as they are here amongst us.

kinvolk
Tuesday, July 27th, 2004, 08:41 PM
My sentiments exactly. I was going to post a plea to be very careful how we talk about coloured people - "muds". I do not think degrading other races will do our cause any good.

Interracial friendship is of no concern here in Norway, especially in my city. Immigrants are so few still that my little boy was completely flabbergasted when he saw an adopted negroid boy in his kindergarten. He had never seen a black person. :D
You have a VERY lucky little boy Freja. (Cute too!) I have never met a mud that I liked or wanted to be friends with. They are too disposed to crime for my tastes.

SouthernBoy
Tuesday, July 27th, 2004, 10:42 PM
I don't really like the interracial friendships, and interracial relationships anger me greatly. If I see an interracial relationship it throws my whole day down. I really love these forums where we can talk freely. Before I found Skadi and TNP the only white preservationist movement I was aware of was the ANP.
My projected high school population is about 60% Hispanic, 20 % White, and 20 % Black. This is very disappointing. My parents moved here from Tennessee, and South Carolina. To describe it, it feels like I'm being suffocated by Non-Whites. I only have a few white friends, and usually try to avoid Non-Whites, which is difficult. The other day I found out that this girl I know that is a second/ or third generation Scandinavian immigrant was dating a black guy. I don't know what to think, but I know I am leaving this place when I get older.

Timo
Wednesday, July 28th, 2004, 03:11 AM
I don't care, but I don't see how it is possible. I find that I have nothing in common with non-whites (esp. blacks). The only whites I see that have things in common with negroes are wiggers.

kinvolk
Thursday, August 5th, 2004, 08:52 PM
I agree with Nordhammer that familiarity CAN lead to romantic relationships. But also the more I am around blacks the more racist I become. I was raised in Wa. State where in the rural area of my youth there just was not any blacks. My mother had to go all the way to Tacoma to get herself murdered by a couple of them. Now that I live in Denver Co. There is an awful lot of them and I find myself becoming racist being around them. They act like animals. And never fool yourself that the majority like you even if they act as though they do. It appears to me that they just look at you as something that they should take advantage of if at all possible.I WILL give up my seat on the bus for a black woman,(even wearing boots and braces :D ) But I have never seen a black give up his for a white. Be he/she disabled, pregnant or elderly. I dont claim to be an expert on blacks, because I've never known any personaly. The worst people I have known have all been white but all I've ever known are white Volk.Do I think that they should all be ushered into Dachua? No. but having the choice of living in a 100% white homeland I would definetly (sp?) jump at the chance. But I do beleive that blacks would get rid of us "blue-eyed devils'' any way possible if they could.

AliceInWonderland
Friday, August 6th, 2004, 02:42 AM
I disagree with having close friends that are non-whites. Casual aquaintances and people loosely considered 'friends' are fine by me. I have enough white friends.

SouthernBoy
Friday, August 6th, 2004, 03:01 AM
"blue-eyed devils''

I hear the same thing, but I take it as more of a compliment since I always associate kindness with Blue-eyes and malice with Black-eyes. :smile:

GreenHeart
Wednesday, August 11th, 2004, 01:12 PM
[......]

Once again, in a separatist society Nordhammer, there would be no Negroes to bring home as friends. This does not mean we should hate Negroes who live in Black Africa, who simply go about their own business eating each other for whatever reason. :p

[.......]

So let me get this straight. In your separatist society Nordhammer, there was still be contact between whites and nonwhites? What would you do? Make it illegal to have friends of other races? :p


Um Fade, I think the question is referring to having nonwhite friends in the society that actually exists today, not some imaginary ideal society where everything is how we would want it to be. We don't have territorial separation and not likely to any time soon either. What we are talking about is how to keep our racial purity as long as possible in the mixed society which exists today until we can get to a point where we can do something about it.

Anyway, in your ideal society, how is a person supposed to have a nonwhite as a friend who lives 2,000 miles away?

Depends on how you define friend I suppose. I define a friend as someone you undertake activities with (such as sports, vacations, going out to eat etc), and invite into your home and visit theirs as well.

GreenHeart
Wednesday, August 11th, 2004, 01:34 PM
I don't care, but I don't see how it is possible. I find that I have nothing in common with non-whites (esp. blacks). The only whites I see that have things in common with negroes are wiggers.

Here I have to agree. What should I ever have in common with muds? True I talk to them if they talk to me first, and will behave in a civil manner if they are civil with me - but I would never be friends with one and thus invite them into my home.

Northern Paladin
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 05:37 AM
Inter-racial friendship is not ok. I don't know what I was thinking when I voted Yes. But I sure wasn't thinking clearly. Looking back on it. I now realize it was a mistake. I should have voted no and that is how I feel about the matter today.

Interracial friendship is a danger to the intregrity of the White Race. I hereby repudiate it.

Evolved
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 01:39 PM
This poll says nothing about people's level of racialism.

It shows who is able to realize racial differences in behavior/attitude are tendencies and not concrete. There are plenty of non-white people who would make good friends, and plenty of white people who would make terrible friends, likewise the opposite is also true. This poll divides the paranoid race-fetishists from the rational individuals who see people as more than just a collection of "inferior" or "superior" phenotypic traits.

The Teutonic-dominated areas of the world have the most romantic/sexual interracial relationships. If you stopped an average German / Swede / Brit on the street and demanded they never even have a friend or acquaintance of another race they'd probably look at you like you came from another planet.

Evolved
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 01:49 PM
Interracial friendship is a danger to the intregrity of the White Race. I hereby repudiate it.

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Blood_Axis
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 03:13 PM
I voted NO.

For me it is not a matter of "OK" or not, but it is a more profound matter that has to do with the idiosyncracy and philosophical viewpoint of each individual.

I never had any non-white friends because I feel racially, spiritually and culturally alien to them. It is hard enough for me to communicate my thoughts and ideas to a White person that is not racially conscious, i.e. globalization advocates, fighters of racial preservation and Mtv and Sex & the city lovers, let alone to a non-White!

I would never mistreat any non-White though, cause that would be against my principles and would level me down. I try to be polite and distant, unless I am harmed or provoked, of course.

I think friendships, relationships, marriages and so on should be kept within each race, that is the way that Nature itself has created, and that is the way that will keep individuals of all races happier.

P.S. You guys. You never cease to amaze me!
Some of you cannot even tolerate other Europeans because you want to preserve subracial purity, which is fine by me, but you don't mind interracial friendships?!

QuietWind
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 05:56 PM
The soccer picture, in my opinion, goes back to what Krampus was saying about acquaintances vs. friends. You cannot avoid being on a team, or at a job, or in a classroom with people of various races, especially not in America. Unless you home school, are self employed, and avoid group sports, it is simply not possible. These people might be acquaintences that you kick the ball around with several times a week, but inviting them over for dinner is an entirely different matter. There is a huge difference in having one of these people as a friend, or simply interacting with them in an unavoidable setting.

Mistress Klaus
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 06:26 PM
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I find it disturbing that people are willing to accept aliens to their country & actually befriend them. I personally find absolutely no connection, nor conversation to these people. This is actually the trouble...people are making the aliens feel welcome & accepted.

Tell me...how do you feel when they continue to speak their native foreign tongue in your country? When they run their businesses, making profit (only for their own breed & kin)... I still think people should stay in their own country. To bleed a newfound country dry & continue with their alien ways is disrespectful and a crime.......
Yeah...I may sound like some dumb hick......but most of the do-gooders of this world will find out. (probably through their 'beloved' children..he he...Even worse of a crime!!! :| ) ...Oh those lovely half breeds running around.......What can you do...85% of the school are full of them...Only natural that your daughter will end up with one & breed.. :|

Wuotans Krieger
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 07:45 PM
If of the opposite sex I would say no as interracial friendship can lead to interracial sex.

Johannes de León
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 07:55 PM
If of the opposite sex I would say no as interracial friendship can lead to interracial sex. For God's sake man, control yourself... :D

Wuotans Krieger
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 08:06 PM
For God's sake man, control yourself... :D
I cant help it Johannes de León! :D

gorgeousgal2k2
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 08:32 PM
It's perfectly fine as far as I'm concerned. And if you really think that "interracial friendship can lead to interracial sex" in all cases, then I'm sorry but you must not have much faith in people's ability to control their own urges.

One of my closest friends is a Pakistani guy who's a bit older than me, who I've known for about five years. We have never been interested in each other in "that way". About half of my friends are non-white, I've had friends of **all** races, and although I have views about immigration etc that a few people would consider racist, I do not think it is a bad thing at all to be friends with people who aren't white.

I don't think that you can stop your children being friends with certain people, if you try to do that then they will just want to hang around with them more. I wouldn't encourage my kids (when i had them) to be friends with certain people but I don't think parents should try to interfere too much in their children's choices. They normally rebel anyway. It's part of growing up.

Oskorei
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 09:25 PM
It's perfectly fine as far as I'm concerned. And if you really think that "interracial friendship can lead to interracial sex" in all cases, then I'm sorry but you must not have much faith in people's ability to control their own urges.
My faith in the ability of some Muslim males to control their urges is very limited. And that is not a groundless prejudice, since it is based on the bitter experiences of people I've known.

I dont know the best way to keep my future daughters from socializing with Muslim men, but at least they will be aware of the dangers implicit in such company.

Wuotans Krieger
Thursday, November 4th, 2004, 10:31 PM
My faith in the ability of some Muslim males to control their urges is very limited. And that is not a groundless prejudice, since it is based on the bitter experiences of people I've known.

I dont know the best way to keep my future daughters from socializing with Muslim men, but at least they will be aware of the dangers implicit in such company.
The only sure way of preventing our Aryan women from mating with non-Aryans is to ensure that every last negro and Asian is deported from every inch of European soil.There is no other way.Europa must be purified and soon!

No Code
Saturday, November 6th, 2004, 01:42 AM
Friendship is just beyond this race shit

green nationalist
Saturday, November 6th, 2004, 02:03 PM
Friendship is just beyond this race shit

I allways wonderd why you have only 8 rep pints and now i know why

This "Race Shit" is actually very important btw
:)

Evolved
Saturday, November 6th, 2004, 10:00 PM
Europa must be purified and soon!

Please... If "Aryan" women are such nasty, whorish negro/Asian loving skanks who can't control their legs from spreading whenever they spot some dark meat, what is the use of "preserving" them in the first place?

These ridiculous 'white power' "race war" theories (which have been peddled by the questionable profiteers, meglomaniacal would-be hillbilly Führers and sellers of cheap "Aryan" souvenirs for over 40 years) are holding back serious, rational racialists.

Lidvick
Saturday, February 26th, 2005, 07:27 PM
If I have made the same thread two times I am sorry in which I hope I didn't because my computer sucks really bad.:|


Anyhow what is the thinking of Skadi members having friends of other races?

Is it bad and irrelevant?

Is it acceptable to a certain extent?

Or is it ok?

Please tell me what you think.

If you dislike the idea or notion give me reasons why and your opinion?

Is it against white preservation values?

Is it without morals?

Remember just friends and nothing more , friends like buddies ect,:) :thumbup

I am curious if all members have the same beliefs.

Fraxinus Excelsior
Saturday, February 26th, 2005, 09:04 PM
There's nothing wrong with having platonic relationships with non-Whites; obviously, romantic or casual sexual relationships are out of the question.

Catharsis
Saturday, February 26th, 2005, 09:38 PM
Most of my friends are white. I have a few Japanese friends, though. I don't see anything wrong with it. :)

Dr. Solar Wolff
Saturday, February 26th, 2005, 11:06 PM
I don't think a Caucasian really can be friends with a Negro or a Jew. Jews are always out trying to recruit Gentiles as "friends". They just want to keep tabs on them, that is all. Negro freindship is as thin as water. This is true for White-Black relationships as well as Black-Black relationships among themselves. Their emotions are less deep and they are certainly less loyal to each other--at least this is my personal observation.

Hagalaz
Saturday, February 26th, 2005, 11:12 PM
Most of my friends are white but I have a good friend who is part Lebanese part Iranian, and I see no problem with it.

shockgrrrl
Sunday, February 27th, 2005, 12:05 AM
There's nothing wrong with having platonic relationships with non-Whites; obviously, romantic or casual sexual relationships are out of the question.

I do agree with you. There's not a lot of non whites around here, 'cept for some Native Americans and a few others. Plus I'm just not really attracted to darker skinned people.

Draco
Sunday, February 27th, 2005, 12:59 AM
If I have made the same thread two times I am sorry in which I hope I didn't because my computer sucks really bad.:|


Anyhow what is the thinking of Skadi members having friends of other races?

Is it bad and irrelevant?

Is it acceptable to a certain extent?

Or is it ok?

Please tell me what you think.

If you dislike the idea or notion give me reasons why and your opinion?

Is it against white preservation values?

Is it without morals?

Remember just friends and nothing more , friends like buddies ect,:) :thumbup

I am curious if all members have the same beliefs.

Absolutely not. If I were so inclined, I could dig up several news stories of non-white "family freinds" who are known and trusted for decades who have raped and/or murdered said White family members.

They are not like us and we should not associate with them or view them as friends.

When I was a child, due to where I lived, I did not have any White friends. Many anti-Whites would say, "bet you got picked on by black kids and thats why you're a racist!" Nope. Got along just fine, but, it was not natural...it's like a crocodile hanging around a group of hyenas.


Peaceful seperation in private, public, and personal spheres is ideal.

Germanicus
Sunday, February 27th, 2005, 01:17 AM
I tend to avoid contact with negroids as much as possible. I can't really trust them. Everytime I see a black male we go through the ritual of the "staredown" where we lock eyes and glare at each other. It is almost instinctive! I just feel they are the enemy of my people and I have to work very hard to supress the urge to run over and pummel them into the ground.

Asians are a different story though. I would never have children with an asian but i can get along fairly well in a casual friendly relationship. Asians tend to be very docile and do not promote the same level of aggression in me. I basically view jews in the same light. As long as they aren't a smart ass then i'll tolerate the average jew. A good friend of mine is actually jewish. Ofcourse me and my friends tease him quite a bit but he isn't too uptight about it. I guess that is the price he must pay for hanging with a bunch of gentiles! The jewish elite are a different story........

Huzar
Sunday, February 27th, 2005, 01:27 AM
I don't think a Caucasian really can be friends with a Negro or a Jew. Jews are always out trying to recruit Gentiles as "friends". They just want to keep tabs on them, that is all. Negro freindship is as thin as water. This is true for White-Black relationships as well as Black-Black relationships among themselves. Their emotions are less deep and they are certainly less loyal to each other--at least this is my personal observation.


I substantially agree. But the real point, to me, seems another : here, we're all, less or more, racialist (of every current); well, what SENSE has, for a REAL racialist, involving himself, even if only platonically, with a non white(especially black) ?? it hasn't, in my opinion. Perhaps, this could appear like an extreme reasoning, but it's very rational instead. I understand, we're all human beings, we live in real world in closness, less or more, with these people, so there are many chances to meet them. We can say "friendship ? why not ? it's only a friendship afterall, nothing more." Are you sure of this ? it's NOT so simple. I repeat, for a NON-racialist has a sense, but for a racialist hasn't an end, a purpose. Is doomed to finish one day. Therefore, it seems to me a bit a non sense this thread, to be sincere. Obviously there are exceptions for everyone who is ASSIMILABLE to caucasian stratus.

Hagalaz
Sunday, February 27th, 2005, 01:49 AM
Absolutely not. If I were so inclined, I could dig up several news stories of non-white "family freinds" who are known and trusted for decades who have raped and/or murdered said White family members.
LOL, so my friend who is Japanese might rape my family? Eh, last time I checked, there wasn't a major problem with Asian on White rapes.:lol

Bismark
Sunday, February 27th, 2005, 01:49 AM
See signature

Draco
Sunday, February 27th, 2005, 04:41 AM
LOL, so my friend who is Japanese might rape my family? Eh, last time I checked, there wasn't a major problem with Asian on White rapes.:lol

In Europe it is. A major problem.

Stew
Sunday, February 27th, 2005, 06:52 AM
I deal with non-whites on a dailey bases and in my job I have to be civil and even respectful, but i would never associate with one outside of work or ever be seen in public with one.

I may not have a problem with them on a personal basis, but they are not my friends, they do not belong in our nations and should never be made to feel welcome.

Hagalaz
Sunday, February 27th, 2005, 07:45 AM
In Europe it is. A major problem.
You have a point there. If I was living in a European country I wouldn't associate outside my folk. But here in America, it's really nobody's land and there's certainly not a culture to stand for.

Lidvick
Sunday, February 27th, 2005, 08:15 AM
I started this thread because I am friends with a chinese guy who is from Hong Kong he is very decent and educated and often we have intellectual discussions.

I don't see myself less in friendship with him , because he sticks to his chinese family,race and friends as I do with my White racial standards.


I think as long as there is no mixing of races and you do not value a race over your own I think it is ok in my opinion.

There are those who might disagree and I suppose I can not blame them there will be differencies in opinion and mind.


I found all of your post very interesting and alot of them made good sense.:thumbup :)

Lidvick
Sunday, February 27th, 2005, 08:19 AM
I don't think a Caucasian really can be friends with a Negro or a Jew. Jews are always out trying to recruit Gentiles as "friends". They just want to keep tabs on them, that is all. Negro freindship is as thin as water. This is true for White-Black relationships as well as Black-Black relationships among themselves. Their emotions are less deep and they are certainly less loyal to each other--at least this is my personal observation.

I agree it is difficult and quite stupid trying to be friends with blacks because of their often hostility towards White people , and their often lack of interest in anything relevant in the world.

I would also say the same of the mexicans as well , and the fact they piss me off because they don't know that this is America and we speak English not spanish.

;) :thumbup

Drömmarnas Stig
Sunday, February 27th, 2005, 10:35 AM
I don't have any problem with black people.
They are no threat to us. Jews are another cup of tea.

I don't have any black friends, just know some and they are all okay.
Not interesting enough to become friends, but that doesn't mean that I could never have a black friend.

Relationships are out of the question.

nordic_canadian_male
Sunday, February 27th, 2005, 04:39 PM
I don't have any non-white friends, but I have many non-white 'hello' people, whom I knew before my new beliefs and some I just shoot the shit with when in public, who are ok.......but if there was a revolution well.......

I guess to answer the questions, it's not ok if youre very serious about your beliefs. Of course there are many good ones among them, but nobody becomes friends with the enemy, you shouldnt befriend your rivals. Imagine if a german tribesmen became friends with a roman legionary, this sounds like the plot of a disney movie. In the end ideology should bind us to a certain mindset, it should constrict our personal choices, we should never makes choices that affect the integrity of our beliefs, otherwise you probably didnt believe in it to begin with.

nicholas
Sunday, February 27th, 2005, 06:31 PM
Where I live blacks, jews, etc at times are blatent about the fact that they think they are better than I am. As though being white was something to be ashamed of. Then again maybe its just me.

Lidvick
Sunday, February 27th, 2005, 07:32 PM
I don't have any non-white friends, but I have many non-white 'hello' people, whom I knew before my new beliefs and some I just shoot the shit with when in public, who are ok.......but if there was a revolution well.......

I guess to answer the questions, it's not ok if youre very serious about your beliefs. Of course there are many good ones among them, but nobody becomes friends with the enemy, you shouldnt befriend your rivals. Imagine if a german tribesmen became friends with a roman legionary, this sounds like the plot of a disney movie. In the end ideology should bind us to a certain mindset, it should constrict our personal choices, we should never makes choices that affect the integrity of our beliefs, otherwise you probably didnt believe in it to begin with.

I understand what you are saying. I would say that if there was a revolution and if I had to choose helping our cause or ending my friendship due to other circumstances.

I would very much so choose helping our cause in a revolution over the other choice.

I think if you have strong beliefs as do I there is common ground you can choose , if you are comfortable with the notion with non-White friends.

Though this is always not certain with everyone and again that is fine I do not expect everyone to have the same thinking in mind.

Are they the enemy? I must disagree with this thinking.

To me the enemy is those who make it harder in the world for our race to survive by their hypocrisy and metaling in world affairs through politics and goverment.

To me the enemy is those who are traitors to their race and have no pride.

To me the enemy is those who threaten our race everyday.

I think that all other races are not the enemy if they live their lives and pose no threat to us.


If they live their lives in relative peace and at the same time are no threat to us what are we to worry of ?

The thinking all other races are the enemy has to be stopped to a certain extent.

The world is filled with many races we as the White race know this we have to figure a way to be civilised keep our race pure and stong at the same time.

There are those who has said diplomacy has failed and that militant means is the only way for the White race to prevail.

I believe that the time of diplomacy and civility has not ended that we can still use it and be strong and overcome the true enemies of our race. The true enemy is not all other races but those who would try to control us and the public thinking making it acceptable to suffocate our race , these are the true enemy.

I think militant means should be a last resort as all violence should be a last resort, we need to quite frankly think of others means in order to secure our race and to prevail besides the iron steel of the sword in battle.


:) :thumbup

Catharsis
Sunday, February 27th, 2005, 08:21 PM
You have a point there. If I was living in a European country I wouldn't associate outside my folk. But here in America, it's really nobody's land and there's certainly not a culture to stand for. Here in the States and especially the SW where I live, the liberals have plenty of good arguements to support multiculturalism. But there is no excuse for it in Europe.

I don't think the non-whites are the enemy. The true enemies are the politicians that support multiculturalism and immigration. The non-whites are their ammunition.

The only reason I have a few non-white friends is because I meet them through hobbies and we share the same interests. I suppose you can call them acquaintances, but then everybody I know would be just an acquaintance and I wouldn't really have any friends.

Northern Paladin
Sunday, February 27th, 2005, 10:39 PM
Is it ok to have non-White friends? What are you feelings opinions about this?

jcs
Sunday, February 27th, 2005, 10:50 PM
I think that frequent association with non-whites permits feelings of egalitarianism and--more destructively--allows a degree of cultural blending. All this amounts to the notion that "we're all human and should all just get along."
Yuck.

There are a couple non-whites whom I get along with, but I don't associate with them outside of school and do not consider them my friends.

Edwin
Sunday, February 27th, 2005, 11:06 PM
For me it is a matter of ability.

Blacks have none, so they're worthless and disposable.

Meds have some, so it depends.

Mongoloids have plenty, so they're fine.

From a Cro-Magnon perspective, I consider Meds to be more different from me than Mongoloids, because they often don't have enough brain matter to really understand things at the depths to which I am used. But of course there are many exceptions, and I hold those as peers accordingly.

Thobjorn
Sunday, February 27th, 2005, 11:22 PM
im friends with this asian chick, but she's one of those self hating vietnamese people, who wishes they were indo european, so its cool. in a perfect world, different races wouldnt be friends, and logically someone who is proud of their race wouldnt want to be friends with someone who is of a different race, and proud of being that race, but i dont see a problem in our current world with having non indo european friends, if they cultureless like most americans...and you dont associate yourself too much with them. in the long run it may bite me in the ass, but i think that any ally is a usefull one.

Fox
Sunday, February 27th, 2005, 11:53 PM
don't have a problem with it so long as it doesn 't go beyond friendship. naturally, friendship arises for the most part from similar thinking. for example I know a man from kenya who is studying here in the states and is returning to kenya after his education is finished. He is a good person because I can explain my views on race and he respects them, whereas most african-americans would assume that I hate blacks just to hate blacks... but this guy is probably an exception to the rule, and I would bet most interracial friendships could be detrimental in the long run

Erlingr Hárbarđarson
Sunday, February 27th, 2005, 11:55 PM
im friends with this asian chick, but she's one of those self hating vietnamese people, who wishes they were indo european, so its cool. No, tis not "cool". You accept her for she has denounced her own origo as is now some one who is root-less? I knew not that heritage could be bought, sold and negated and that for ever could last but a short while. :rolleyes:

As patriots of our bloodlands, we mold our lives by the principles of tradition, honour and loyalty, i.e. that from which the lands aneath our feets were forged. We are these lands as these lands are us. She is not only asian, but is some one who has ill honoured the virtues by which we, as patriots, live our lives and have bourne these lands. I see nothing "cool" of such a relationship and this behaviour at you stenches as betrayl to the lands for which you have sworn to fight.


in a perfect world, different races wouldnt be friends, and logically someone who is proud of their race wouldnt want to be friends with someone who is of a different race, and proud of being that race, Agreed except that in a "perfect world," different races could be not friends never-the-less, because the world would know nothing on different races...the world would be scandinavia.


but i dont see a problem in our current world with having non indo european friends, if they cultureless like most americans...and you dont associate yourself too much with them. in the long run it may bite me in the ass, but i think that any ally is a usefull one.
What you think is that of one who knows no honour. Pragmatics shal never overthrow ancestry. Sacrifice and pain rising over practical convenience holds a fatherly role to victoury. I would live eternal aside a tree with five kinsmen, then live one day withine the walls of a castle made by everything I am not.

The way you think on this is foul and you are with luck to not have an axe buried in your head to night.

Erlingr Hárbarđarson
Sunday, February 27th, 2005, 11:57 PM
Is it ok to have non-White friends?

No.

anonymaus
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 12:10 AM
Is it ok to have non-White friends? What are you feelings opinions about this?

The answer must ultimately be: No. It is not OK.

Think of it as this, as I do: Would you bring your non-white "friend" over to your house and introduce him to perhaps your parents?

"Mom, Dad, this is my friend.. Ubaktu. Isn't the bone through his nose lovely?

:viking4:

Xanthochroid
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 12:10 AM
Is it ok to have non-White friends? What are you feelings opinions about this?

Of course it is. It is always good to have a trustworthy comrade or squire of any race or culture. All of the races of humanity could live in peace and harmony if they did not interbreed or be assholes to each other.
Does not matter much though... In the end, We either all unite in total rebirth or total annihilation. :viking2:

Draugr
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 12:16 AM
Is it ok to have non-White friends? What are you feelings opinions about this?

Aquintences okay, I can be civil, but friends? I only make friends with people I can reasonably trust to watch my back.

Erlingr Hárbarđarson
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 12:19 AM
Of course it is. It is always good to have a trustworthy comrade or squire of any race or culture. All of the races of humanity could live in peace and harmony if they did not interbreed or be assholes to each other.
Does not matter much though... In the end, We either all unite in total rebirth or total annihilation.

:scratch: And you are here because...?

Erlingr Hárbarđarson
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 12:21 AM
The answer must ultimately be: No. It is not OK.

Think of it as this, as I do: Would you bring your non-white "friend" over to your house and introduce him to perhaps your parents?

"Mom, Dad, this is my friend.. Ubaktu. Isn't the bone through his nose lovely?

:viking4:

Hahaha...lovely indeed. :suomut:

Thobjorn
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 12:21 AM
im not saying i will trust anyone who says they're an ally, or even someone i know to be an ally, but i wont deny help from anyone, no matter how disreputable, or dishonorable they may be.

Xanthochroid
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 12:22 AM
:scratch: And you are here because...?

Nordish racial preservation you fool. :icon_razz If the master one can be preserved, why not the others? :icon1:

anonymaus
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 12:23 AM
Of course it is. It is always good to have a trustworthy comrade or squire of any race or culture. All of the races of humanity could live in peace and harmony if they did not interbreed or be assholes to each other.
Does not matter much though... In the end, We either all unite in total rebirth or total annihilation. :viking2:

I believe the rebirth belongs to a future where all races can peacefully co-exist, and people have pride in their race and their nation. Towards this end, I find it inappropriate to unecessarily introduce major racial and cultural differences within our social structures.

If I were to keep, as you say, "a trustworthy comrade of another race".. I would indeavour to keep this "friend" compartmentalized. In other words, we live in somebody elses multiracial reality, and all people can have their uses. The moment a culture is weakened or altered with foreign influences, the path to destruction is quickly paved.

Also, keep in mind that your non-white "friend" may also be a racialist. In this case I think the line drawn is much clearer: Neither He nor You would be accepting of any cultural or racial intermixture/integration, nor would either of you be accepting of any other racial/cultural perversions. This is perhaps the future of intellectual racism: co-operation; The racial compact could be achieved this way.

If you have no other choice than to keep one as a friend.. keep your axe sharp. When it comes down to it, it's you or him. Your race or his race. Any actions against you or your kin must be answered with a swift chop.

anonymaus
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 12:25 AM
Aquintences okay, I can be civil, but friends? I only make friends with people I can reasonably trust to watch my back.

Civil, yes. Perfect choice of words. Excellent post.

jcs
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 12:31 AM
This is perhaps the future of intellectual racism: co-operation. This is the same fanciful delusion that is behind national utopianism ("all races get their own nation"). We must preserve ourselves and abandon outside elements. I do not think that we need to be imbeciles and destroy other races in the process nor lower ourselves to the level of small-minded bigots (xenophobia serves a purpose--to keep races from mixing--but higher men should be above making decisions based on emotional discomfort), but we shouldn't be stupid enough to believe that other races will not betray us were we to work toward such national-utopian ends.
In summa: don't be stupid. Do not delude yourself into thinking that helping other races helps you; do not behave like violent lunatics who think that everyone of another race deserves death. Abandon co-operation along with insanity.
As Draugr said, be civil.

Erlingr Hárbarđarson
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 12:33 AM
im not saying i will trust anyone who says they're an ally, or even someone i know to be an ally, but i wont deny help from anyone, no matter how disreputable, or dishonorable they may be.

You are one who makes advantage of all opportunity to meet an end, and meets this end under no regard for principles or consequences. You are charlatan and opportunistic with only the self in mind, not the folk. I should have saw this coming from a person who has a foto poster of a negroe at his wall. :mad: Why feel you that you bear passage withine these halls? For what are you making a fight?

anonymaus
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 12:34 AM
This is the same fanciful delusion that is behind national utopianism ("all races get their own nation"). We must preserve ourselves and abandon outside elements. I do not think that we need to be imbeciles and destroy other races in the process nor lower ourselves to the level of small-minded bigots (xenophobia serves a purpose--to keep races from mixing--but higher men should be above making decisions based on emotional discomfort), but we shouldn't be stupid enough to believe that other races will not betray us were we to work toward such national-utopian ends.
In summa: don't be stupid. Do not delude yourself into thinking that helping other races helps you; do not behave like violent lunatics who think that everyone of another race deserves death. Abandon co-operation along with insanity.
As Draugr said, be civil.

hrm.



If you have no other choice than to keep one as a friend.. keep your axe sharp. When it comes down to it, it's you or him. Your race or his race. Any actions against you or your kin must be answered with a swift chop.

What part of this was not clear?

Let's make this perfectly clear:

Anyone who is not of your kin is a tool, like a rake or a tractor, to be used towards your own end. Co-operation, to me, means nothing more than using these tools towards my own end, without straying to violent outward hatred and actions.

The idea of us ridding the earth of everyone not of our kin is not only ridiculous, but it is the HEIGHT of insanity and fanciful delusions. I am not here to RolePlay a viking warrior and drown my sense of reality in a dream of what could have been. The reality that we all face is simple: EXTINCTION. I'm not going to be picky about the means I use towards my end, which is PRESERVATION. They all end up in the garbage anyway.

Xanthochroid
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 12:40 AM
Let's make this perfectly clear:

Anyone who is not of your kin is a tool, like a rake or a tractor, to be used towards your own end. Co-operation, to me, means nothing more than using these tools towards my own end, without straying to violent outward hatred and actions.

Indeed, But to the greater end.

anonymaus
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 12:42 AM
Indeed, But to the greater end.

I edited to make that clearer too, it seems I'm having trouble with the English language today. :rotfl:

Erlingr Hárbarđarson
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 12:45 AM
If the master one can be preserved, why not the others? :icon1: Are you kommunist? The issue is not whether or not they can be preserved, but whether such a preservation is relevant and worth the aspiration. The answer naturally being, no. If you set such heart for the coffin of non northern humanity, then why not be member to another movement? One of target global affairs, contra northern Europe?

Sonja
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 12:55 AM
Acquaintances of other races, yes. Friends, no. Friends should remain few, as fewer bonds are generally stronger than many. I think it is a good point that there are racialists of other races; interacting with them should be respectful although distant. I lived in Japan for a time and encountered many Japanese nationalists (no, I don't plan on returning).

I very much disagree with the poster who thought it was "cool" that his Asian friend was a self-hating Indo-European wannabe. Pride in heritage should be important for everyone. This benefits our people as well.

Xanthochroid
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 12:56 AM
Are you kommunist? The issue is not whether or not they can be preserved, but whether such a preservation is relevant and worth the aspiration. The answer naturally being, no. If you set such heart for the coffin of non northern humanity, then why not be member to another movement? One of target global affairs, contra northern Europe?

Bah, The issue is true happiness and morality. :coffee:

If you set such heart for the coffin of Earth, Then why not be member to this planet? One of target global affairs, contra shooting its own foot and biting the hand that feeds it?

SouthernBoy
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 12:58 AM
I have seen this, and to put it simply you can't have friendships without intermingling. Friendships with non-Whites are to be avoided, because people will always interbreed if put into direct contact with each other. Segregation is the only way we will survive, and believing otherwise is a contradiction of human nature. :annoysigr

Thobjorn
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 01:01 AM
that is not my room that the picture is taken. i have posters of steve vai, amon amarth, and rotting christ in my room.

in this instance, i was thinking of myself, and not the people, but i was not aiming to come up with some blanket rule for the people, i was just stating a situation that was relevant to this question. i could go on for a long time trying to explain myself, but i really dont care, so whatever.

Thobjorn
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 01:08 AM
Acquaintances of other races, yes. Friends, no. Friends should remain few, as fewer bonds are generally stronger than many. I think it is a good point that there are racialists of other races; interacting with them should be respectful although distant. I lived in Japan for a time and encountered many Japanese nationalists (no, I don't plan on returning).

I very much disagree with the poster who thought it was "cool" that his Asian friend was a self-hating Indo-European wannabe. Pride in heritage should be important for everyone. This benefits our people as well.

i very much agree with this post, what i meant by using the blanket term 'cool', was that it didnt affect me, she doesnt have any of the characteristics of her culture, and therefore projects none of them onto me.

jcs
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 02:15 AM
What part of this was not clear?

Let's make this perfectly clear:

Anyone who is not of your kin is a tool, like a rake or a tractor, to be used towards your own end. Co-operation, to me, means nothing more than using these tools towards my own end, without straying to violent outward hatred and actions.

The idea of us ridding the earth of everyone not of our kin is not only ridiculous, but it is the HEIGHT of insanity and fanciful delusions. I am not here to RolePlay a viking warrior and drown my sense of reality in a dream of what could have been. The reality that we all face is simple: EXTINCTION. I'm not going to be picky about the means I use towards my end, which is PRESERVATION. They all end up in the garbage anyway. I agree with your point that the genocide of all not of our blood is insane, but I detest your reasoning, Machiavelli. While preservation is of the utmost importance, anyone willing to sacrifice the noble character of their race to attain their goal might as well join with multiculturalists in their efforts to destroy us. What amount of deception, persuasion, co-ersion, etc. are you willing to use toward your end? How many members of other races are you willing to decieve, to pretend to befriend only to betray, to preserve our race? The disingenuous behaviour that may stem from such reasoning, regardless of one's goal, is ignoble.
I do not consider those who would resort to such means to be my kin. If our race cannot survive while retaining its dignity, its survival means nothing.

Son of a gun
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 02:33 AM
:scratch: And you are here because...?

I think it's banned invidual LG trolling here

Guest
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 02:56 AM
I've got good friends from Southern Europe whom I respect and value, but they live in their own country among their own, just as I do here in Scandinavia. I definately don't see any problem in this.

I also like to visit other countries as a tourist, as I like others to visit my country. But of course this does not mean that I want everybody to live together in the same place, nor does it mean that I encourage racemixing. It only means that I believe we can all learn from each other, and that we should learn from each other. If I were in charge, I would of course put heavy restrictions for foreigners to visit my country, even as tourists, and I would immediately deal with visitors who somehow violate the laws or otherwise behave disrespectfull when they are on our native soil. But I do not consider it to be beneficiary to close the borders off entirely. Nor would I want the whole world to be(come) like Scandinavia.
Scandinavia is my home, the place where I belong, where I've got most of my friends and all my family and where I feel at home. But I value the opportunity to be able to study and learn from other peoples and their cultures as long as I can keep my own and live it out in a country to call my own among people of the same kind as myself.

I'm a racialist, not a supremacist or a hater. I love my own race, my people and my country, and of course I hate that which threatens what I love, but I also have a desire for studies, knowledge and wisdom, so I'm not going to direct my hate against or eradicate anyone or anything that doesn't really need to be eradicated in order for my race and my nation to prosper.

anonymaus
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 03:01 AM
What amount of deception, persuasion, co-ersion, etc. are you willing to use toward your end? How many members of other races are you willing to decieve, to pretend to befriend only to betray, to preserve our race? The disingenuous behaviour that may stem from such reasoning, regardless of one's goal, is ignoble.

I assume the above are examples you have added from your own mind? I certainly didn't suggest any of that.


I do not consider those who would resort to such means to be my kin. If our race cannot survive while retaining its dignity, its survival means nothing.

Neither do I, because all the examples you added in sound like the behaviour and actions of Jews.


(referring to the chinaman) "...and while he gives us his labor and is paid for it, and is valuable, the same as a threshing machine or any other agricultural implement which we may borrow from the United States on hire and return it to the owner on the south side of the line; ..."

-Sir. John A. Macdonald

Same shit, different pile. You have made a mistake by extrapolating on what I have said, and it appears created a degenerate Jew-Machiavellian fantasy as to how I, or at least how I think people should, act.

I can say that I agree, naturally, with your post, regardless of its intent. Though you are undoubtedly preaching to the choir :viking2:

jcs
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 03:11 AM
You have made a mistake by extrapolating on what I have said, and it appears created a degenerate Jew-Machiavellian fantasy as to how I, or at least how I think people should, act. Yeah, I took your statement and exaggerated a little (to say the least :P ), but the mention of using others as "a tool, like a rake or a tractor, to be used towards your own end" invited the comparison to Machiavelli.

Plus, while you may not have advocated the use of others to the extent that I presented, I'm sure that some may--and that should be condemned.

Anyway, I'm glad that I misinterpreted your meaning.

anonymaus
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 03:24 AM
Plus, while you may not have advocated the use of others to the extent that I presented, I'm sure that some may--and that should be condemned.

Indeed.


Anyway, I'm glad that I misinterpreted your meaning.

As am I! :beer-smil

ChrisDownUnder
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 03:39 AM
Acquaintances of other races, yes. Friends, no. Friends should remain few, as fewer bonds are generally stronger than many. I think it is a good point that there are racialists of other races; interacting with them should be respectful although distant.

I very much disagree with the poster who thought it was "cool" that his Asian friend was a self-hating Indo-European wannabe. Pride in heritage should be important for everyone. This benefits our people as well.I have only a few true friends, as Sonja says I prefer fewer but 'stronger' bonds. And I only make friendships with those that hold similar racialist views.

I see many Asians who reject their own culture and customs and act/pretend to be 'white' (see how many dye their hair a lighter shade of colour, even light blonde:rotfl: ). This is not 'cool'! Inevitably they seek to mate with whites, especially Asian women with Caucasian men. In my time, lots of these women have seemed to be eager to strike up a friendship with me. Cooly and calmly, despite my anger at having to be exposed to this, I have conveyed my reluctance to them.

Friendship with any non-whites that are residing in traditional white homelands is to be avoided. Particularly here in Australia, I see any Asians that are not here temporarily for work or pleasure as members of an invading army, and I will treat them as such. If the varying European racial and cultural traditions are to be preserved, racial segregation is the only answer.

Northern Paladin
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 05:39 AM
Per se I don't think anything is wrong with it. Unless it is a Romantic relationship or a friendship between opposite sexes.

Death and the Sun
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 02:29 PM
I would say no, it's not OK, except in some special circumstances.

I simply cannot imagine ever being friends with a negro, an arab or a turk.

I can imagine befriending a decent, intelligent person of Asian origin, IF that person was here for a legitimate reason and more importantly, went home as soon he/she was done with whatever it was they came here to do. I can respect SOME non-Whites, but I do not want to live in the same country with them.

As for self-hating Asians who want to White, I pity them. They should be proud of their own race and culture, and therefore stay in their own nations and work to benefit them.

Arno
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 03:40 PM
At work, I am looking for a neutral, formal atmosphere.

In my private life, I am not interested in any relationship with non-whites. There has never been an exception.

Louky
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 04:03 PM
I don't feel obligated to be gratuitously rude to non-Whites because of my beliefs. However, I would not allow any non-White to be my friend. Friendship is compromising. If we succeed, we will achieve separation of our race from the other races and that will probably not happen peacefully. Friendship with non-Whites will just compound the difficulties and sap our fighting spirit.

Freja
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 05:43 PM
I am always civil, to decent people of any race, I have no reason not to be.
(Of course I might let my mistrust show in subtle ways when encountering refugees, I withhold smiles, I look down my nose at them... :rolleyes: )

Befriend a person of another race I will never do. :viking3:

fenriSS_
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 10:39 PM
Is it ok to have non-White friends? What are you feelings opinions about this?

Hell no! Race mixing is the ugliest thing i know :viking4:

Náttfari
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 10:43 PM
Yes, wether it be social or physical.

Arno
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 10:55 PM
Wenn die Nacht einfällt
bedeckt sie die Welt
mit undurchdringlicher Dunkelheit.
Kälte steigt vom Boden auf
und verpestet die Luft
plötzlich...
hat das Leben neue
Bedeutung

Hej Nattfari. I've seen this german text in your signature. It is somewhat ambigious for me. What does it mean - verpestet die Luft ? - sie bedeckt die Welt [covers up the world] - One has to know the whole poem to understand the sense, I think. Who is the author ?

Triglav
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 11:26 PM
Who is the author ?

:biggrin:

The dude in your avatar. ;)

Náttfari
Monday, February 28th, 2005, 11:51 PM
When night falls
She cloaks the world
In impenetrable darkness
A chill rises
From the soil
And contaminates the air
Suddenly...
Life has new meaning

jcs
Tuesday, March 1st, 2005, 12:00 AM
Wenn die Nacht einfällt
bedeckt sie die Welt
mit undurchdringlicher Dunkelheit.
Kälte steigt vom Boden auf
und verpestet die Luft
plötzlich...
hat das Leben neue
Bedeutung
... It is somewhat ambigious for me. What does it mean - verpestet die Luft ? - sie bedeckt die Welt [covers up the world] - One has to know the whole poem to understand the sense, I think. That is the whole poem, but I think that one has to know much about Varg and Burzum, amongst other things, to fully understand it.
The English version of the song (Dunkelheit by Burzum on the Filosofem album) is as follows:
"When Night falls
She cloaks the world
In impenetrable darkness
A chill rises from the soil
And contaminates the air
Suddenly, life has new meaning"

My understanding is that the song employs the idea of night falling upon the world (and the earth and air becoming cold) as a metaphor for human spiritual realization (life has new meaning). Meister Eckhart mentions something similar; as does Nietzsche with his notion of "going under [untergehen]"; and esoteric interpretations of Germanic mythology, such as List's triune "birth-life-death/rebirth" notion and the idea of Baldr's (meaning's) return after Ragnarok/Gotterdamerung, seem to have been the inspiration/meaning behind the poetry.

Varg wrote the following in the booklet/insert that came with Dauđi Baldrs, suggesting that his inspiration for the lyrics of Dunkelheit was likely found within his interpretation of the mythology:
"Logic (Loki) led by its desire for reason, unites the blindness in us (Hođr) with the death religions (the parasitic Mistletoe on the tree of life, Yggdrasill), and kills there with the meaning of our lives (Baldr). The meaning of life is deeply lost in the unconscious of our human psyche (Helheimr). Some people are motivated by the Uranus-energy (Ódinn/Hermođr) and they try to travel within themselves in order to rediscover there the meaning of life. But this is not successful, not this way. When we (Ţórr), bitter, bid farewell to our beloved meaning of life, we also bid farewell to any kind of trust (Lítr) and burned it at the stake. The entire humanity suffers, we burn from within, we cry. The Logic (of the modern science) which with its angry scientific drive, its "arrogance" and its contradictions, keeps the Occultists (Hermođr) from rediscovering the meaning of life.

"Nothing evil is behind that, only cold and calculating logic. Logic in its lack of feeling cries dry tears. This leads to Ragnarok; Beginning, Cause, Symbol, Witness, Destiny and Twilight of the Gods. The battle in the human psyche is fought between the conscious mind (Ćsir) and the unconsciousness (Jotunn). No Jotun returns alive from Asgard (Consciousness)."

My understanding is that we must destroy ourselves, make ourselves (the "Ich" or ego) "small," and "go under"--face Ragnarok--in order to return meaning to life.

(long post. I love that song.)

Erlingr Hárbarđarson
Tuesday, March 1st, 2005, 01:04 AM
Who is the author ?
Why had you made the choosing to have Varg symbolise your self at tNP, Arno? This is not simple german tekst, but rather one of the most beautiful tracks a northman could set ear to.

ChrisDownUnder
Tuesday, March 1st, 2005, 06:09 AM
This would also sum up my views:


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/Christopher1488/main_graphic.jpg

Luh_Windan
Tuesday, March 1st, 2005, 06:27 AM
Yes. There is absolutely nothing wrong with it for someone of sound spirituality.

anonymaus
Tuesday, March 1st, 2005, 07:16 AM
This would also sum up my views:


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/Christopher1488/main_graphic.jpg

I was looking for this quote and/or image to reply to this thread with.. it was the first thing I thought of when i read the thread and i was going to include it as an example :viking3:

The Horned God
Tuesday, March 1st, 2005, 08:01 AM
Non-Whites have their own countries and are out of place in mine. As long as they remain they constitute a threat to the vision of the future which I want for myself and my decendants. I cannot therefore, consider being on friendly terms with any of the ones I should meet. The most I could have would be a civil working relationship and I would want to avoid even that if possible.

Those who stay in their own countries and attempt to improve conditions for their own people, are a different matter, I find those ones worthy of my respect. However, true friendship, to me is a rare thing, I could count my true friends on one hand (even if I lost a few fingers) the chances of a non-white being amoung that group are so small, as to be only measureable on the quantum scale.

Nseag
Tuesday, March 1st, 2005, 09:09 AM
Here in Catalunya I am not spoken with any mestizo or not-Aryan who can I perceive.


I not to eat in places(restaurants) where not-Aryans work and and in the institute I do not talk with them (a up % in the classroom), unfortunately unfortunately single there is another one in my classroom that thinks equal me and He does not speak either with them, reason why that feeling of separation is reduced to us, with which we spoke the 2 with 4-5 more Aryans than these speak little with the not-Aryans :viking2:

In the past if I spoke with some mestizo or pure not-Aryan :icon_arro

This type of life is very difficult here, until in my circle of comrades have given some the back me to be strict with this. :scratch:

:viking1:

Sigel
Saturday, March 5th, 2005, 09:32 PM
Is it ok to have non-White friends? What are you feelings opinions about this?

I have only ever had casual acquaintances (work or college) with non-Whites. I never felt they really had any wish to get closer and neither did I.

I am confident enough in my own ethnicity not to feel that I would be culturally stained or that I’d have to jump into bed with them. I would take it on a case by case basis, though with some reservation.

NordHecate
Sunday, March 6th, 2005, 04:55 AM
Is it ok to have non-White friends? What are you feelings opinions about this?

In my opinion, no it is not.

I choose my friends as I would a doctor.

White
Responsible
Educated

Not to mention, has an understanding that we are a race who is on the verge of extinction due to our ever invading multi cult.

I prefer to be around those of like kind. That is also including my work place.

Schutz_Staffeln
Monday, March 7th, 2005, 04:51 AM
This would also sum up my views:


http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y7/Christopher1488/main_graphic.jpg

This is the best quote for it i think in this thread by far... no offense to anyone else
but one thing is missing from it..... which is not to bring ourselfs down to our lower forms levels.

As for Friends whom are non-white never. working with them is fine because its something thats forced feed people from birth and has to be accepted...for now........ but i never go past civil with non white anywhere...

My idea would be set the example be civil to non whites for now.... and honourable to our kin

Erlingr Hárbarđarson
Monday, March 7th, 2005, 04:53 PM
This is a beautiful quote from Heinrich; thank you for sharing this, Rassenhaß.

Valhammer
Thursday, March 10th, 2005, 04:01 AM
In principle I don't see a problem with having non-nordic friends, but each case must by considered individually. If an immigrant supports immigration and racial mixing, I would never befriend him. If he, however, has pride in his own people and his own culture, and has a desire to return to his own country when the opportunity arises, I would have no problem befriending him. Also, if a person is not an actual immigrant, but is only staying temporarily, I don't see a problem in befriending this person. The basic criteria I set is whether or not he is a threat to my people.

I actually plan to study in Japan for a semester, and I'm guessing I'll make some japanese friends while I'm there. I'm doing this because I'm interested in their culture, but that does not equal a disinterest in my own, or that I support racial or cultural mixing. I support cultural diversity on an international level, and this can only be attained through national racial purity. That is also the reason I'm interested in Japan. It is close to impossible for a foreigner to get a japanese citizenship, and they have a strong sense of national pride. The very thing we aspire to, is what makes Japan interesting to me. You're not going to find many mosques or gang banging negroes in Japan... though, ironically, I've heard there's a Norwegian Church in Japan.

Either way, people should learn to distinguish between immigrants, and foreigners who are settled in their native countries.

Alkman
Thursday, March 10th, 2005, 02:36 PM
As Aristotle said,there can be true friendship only amongst equals

Valhammer
Thursday, March 10th, 2005, 11:37 PM
Alektor: That may be so, but according to Aristotle, an equal is a person with the same values and virtues. So, if you use Aristotle's definition, a foreigner with pride in his own people and culture would be equal to a nordic man with the same views.

Todesritter
Thursday, March 10th, 2005, 11:53 PM
Japanese people have a great culture, and are orderly and responsible people, I would love to visit Japan. The Japanese are not trying to conquer the through their own poverty the Northlands way some are with ghettos of their kind, and I would not like to see a world where Norsemen conquered and colonized Japan. I would have no problem viewing a Japanese person as my equal, though an alien, or if I were visiting East Asia, I guess I would be the alien.

These people are a people of great wisdom, mind, and spirit.

Logos_
Friday, March 11th, 2005, 11:41 AM
Alektor: That may be so, but according to Aristotle, an equal is a person with the same values and virtues. So, if you use Aristotle's definition, a foreigner with pride in his own people and culture would be equal to a nordic man with the same views.His point is quite clear. Racial inequalities = objective inequality. Inequality is no basis for friendship. What are these "values" and "virtues" you're belching on about? :icon_arro

If they were the same, they'd lead to mutual exclusion.

Valhammer
Friday, March 11th, 2005, 12:20 PM
Logos: Are you blind? I'm surprised I'm dignifying this with an answer, but the values and virtues are clearly stated in my post. A Japanese man fighting for his own country is worth no less than a Nordic man fighting for his own country. Our goal is not to belittle other cultures, but to protect our own culture, and rid it of foreign elements who force themselves upon us, and who have no pride (or misplaced pride) in their own folk or culture.
Also, I suggest you read up on Aristotle. He clearly states that he is talking about intellectual and moral issues, not racial issues. In fact, Aristotle's definition is the opposite of what you seem to think. One integral goal of a friendship, according to Aristotle, is to help the other person with his goals, purely for the sake of helping him, and not for any selfish reasons. In our case, a friendship with another nordic would be furthering our own ends, while helping a foreigner rebuild his own culture, would be considered selfless.
Don't mistake this as my personal view, but the logical interpretation of Aristotle's definition of true friendship... at least within the context of friendships based on race.

Logos_
Friday, March 11th, 2005, 01:11 PM
Don't mistake this as my personal view, but the logical interpretation of Aristotle's definition of true friendship... at least within the context of friendships based on race.I cannot help but mistake this as your personal view because there is nothing 'logical' about your interpretation.

1. The Races are not equal or the same.
2. If two people of different race both held the same value of preserving their physical and spiritual identity, they would not strive for friendship but separation.

Valhammer
Friday, March 11th, 2005, 01:42 PM
Logos: Sheesh.

1. Aristotle never mentions race. His very idea of equality is based on intellectual and moral issues. This means that you simply cannot use the argument of race when talking about Aristotle.

2. This is just plain ignorant in our day and age. There are many situations where they can achieve friendship, without threatening either culture. If a person is visiting or studying in a different country, with a different culture, he may become friends with a native person in this country. If they hold the same values, namely pride in their own people and culture, they meet the requirements of attaining true friendship. The same goes for a person who wants to return to his own country, but is temporarily hindered by war. Heck, if he's a sensible Palestinian (unlikely, I suppose), you might even have another common interest; those delightful jews.
In our modern age, it is also possible to maintain contact with a foreign person through the internet.

Again, our goal is to preserve our own culture, and if a person of a different culture is not a threat to our own culture, there is nothing that stands in the way of attaining friendship with this person according to Aristotle's teachings. Whether you think this is right or wrong is besides the question, since we are discussing Aristotle's definition, within the boundaries of preserving our own culture.
Heck, if we drop those boundaries, Aristotle's definition would even allow a black and a white guy to achieve friendship based on their interest in multiculturalism... but that is something I want to stay the hell away from.

ErikBloodaxe
Tuesday, April 5th, 2005, 08:36 AM
I don't care about race at all when it comes to aquaintences. It's all about what kind of ppl they are. I would feel uneasy having a good friend who is of another race however.
Concerning dating, maybe for something exotic, but I would not want to marry unless I was really in love with her.

Náttfari
Tuesday, April 5th, 2005, 09:29 PM
You are a discrace to the name you have ill-fortunately taken. :kaioken1:


:hanged01:

SouthernBoy
Tuesday, April 5th, 2005, 09:33 PM
I don't care about race at all when it comes to aquaintences. It's all about what kind of ppl they are. I would feel uneasy having a good friend who is of another race however.
Concerning dating, maybe for something exotic, but I would not want to marry unless I was really in love with her.
I don't think your views reflect the type of people we want posting here. I hope you are banned soon, Erik.

Erlingr Hárbarđarson
Tuesday, April 5th, 2005, 09:41 PM
I don't care about race at all when it comes to aquaintences. It's all about what kind of ppl they are. I would feel uneasy having a good friend who is of another race however.
Concerning dating, maybe for something exotic, but I would not want to marry unless I was really in love with her.

My kinsmen have spoken on this mattre, Eiríkur. Your counsel of our folks dómhringur is but skóggangur...

:noose2:

Skildur
Tuesday, April 5th, 2005, 09:45 PM
Another day, another ban. :goat: :noose:

Death and the Sun
Tuesday, April 5th, 2005, 09:47 PM
Concerning dating, maybe for something exotic, but I would not want to marry unless I was really in love with her.

Completely unacceptable. Even dating a non-White is something no racially conscious White person does -- not even to get something exotic. :rolleyes:

You say you would marry a non-White woman if you really loved her? Does this mean you would marry a White woman you did not love?

How old are you anyway?

Edit:

You're dead. Never mind.

Erlingr Hárbarđarson
Tuesday, April 5th, 2005, 09:56 PM
Another day, another ban. :goat: :noose:

Have you hear the new Behemoth album?

Skildur
Tuesday, April 5th, 2005, 10:03 PM
Have you hear the new Behemoth album?

I prefer their old stuff (BM era), like 'Grom'.

Valhöll
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 03:21 AM
Is it ok to have non-White friends? What are you feelings opinions about this?

No it is not okay.

I have a few non - white acquaintances, but I hardly ever socialize with them after school or off of the campus.

infoterror
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 06:28 AM
I want to close the borders and segregate all tribes. I want to close down the ports and the international rails and airports. Oh, and I'd return us to localized rule.

In the meantime, I see no problem having friends of other races as long as you stay true to your ideals. Encourage them to have pride in who they are, and to be nationalists. And I agree with the posters - jcs included - who caution against deception. Live by a lie, become a philosemite, unintentionally.

My experience with people of other races is that you get more respect for being up front about "I'm proud of my tribe and I defend them, and want to isolate them" - every race is under the same assault, and among them, we have many potential allies.

I also caution against the religion of approving all that is white. There are plenty of degenerate whites who need no saving. Focus on the good people ;)

Draugr
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 06:40 AM
The easiest way to avoid this "problem" is just to be a mean and nasty person, who speaks the truth and shoots straight. :2gunsfis:

Hagalaz
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 07:51 AM
I have a good friend who is Lebanese/Iranian and he and I share many similar views both on politics and culture in general. He and his family are against racial/cultural mixing and have exiled one of their family members due to mixing. I have great respect for this belief of theirs and I wish more Muslim Arabs were more like this. We respect each other’s cultures and often inform each other on our backgrounds. It's quite interesting to say the least. After all we both want to return to our homelands one day and get out of this multi-cultural hellhole. We weren't born here amongst each other by choice. What are your opinions?

-His mother is descended from an ancient Aryan princess that ruled over Iran. She has proof and ownership to some items on display in a museum in Britain. Phenomenal stuff if you ask me. I explained to her all about the Aryans and she said her family also ruled over northern India in ancient times... I was extremely shocked to hear all of this.

Erlingr Hárbarđarson
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 02:52 PM
I have a good friend who is Lebanese/Iranian
Traitor.


and he and I share many similar views both on politics and culture in general.
This is very sweet. I as well feel every one at the world who have similar demeanour and disposition should befriend one another; one world, peace, harmony, love, marijuana and unity.
:flynch:


He and his family are against racial/cultural mixing and have exiled one of their family members due to mixing. I have great respect for this belief of theirs and I wish more Muslim Arabs were more like this.
I agree that this is a noble act, but it does not warrant bonds of loyalty as kinsmen.


We respect each other’s cultures and often inform each other on our backgrounds.Hold you his hand and skip to the multikulti museums and lunch at the local mosque as well?


It's quite interesting to say the least. ...sounds as a blast. :102st:


After all we both want to return to our homelands one day and get out of this multi-cultural hellhole. We weren't born here amongst each other by choice. What are your opinions? That you are blind and but an ill availing american lost to the modernity which has swallowed you whole. You feed that which our families starve to fight against.


-His mother is descended from an ancient Aryan princess that ruled over Iran. She has proof and ownership to some items on display in a museum in Britain. Phenomenal stuff if you ask me. I explained to her all about the Aryans and she said her family also ruled over northern India in ancient times...

You sound as pan-aryan slave. The term "aryan" is a ticket to feast and bear company with those of Norden? In this case, please invite all of your friends here; especially the ones from the deserts to the south. I have welcoming gift for them indeed. Perhaps you should think two goat tails about your place here. No öndvegi awaits your sitting.


I was extremely shocked to hear all of this. I know this feeling. :rolleyes:

:ban00000:

Death and the Sun
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 03:39 PM
It seems to me that the Americans here, living as they do in a multiracial society, seem to have much looser standards for non-White friendship. For most Europeans I would find this unacceptable, though.

I'm still not sure if a person can be a respectable member of the tNP community and have non-White friends, no matter where he/she lives.

However, I'm at least prepared to consider the issue, if the following are true:

- The person lives in a multicultural society where contact with non-Whites cannot be avoided

- This person understands and agrees that complete separation would be the ideal solution and works towards that goal.

- His/her non-White acquaintances know this and agree.

- Finally, there should be zero tolerance for interracial dating and marriage. No exceptions.

I don't want to ban ForMyFatherland. I don't really like what he had to say, but at least he is being honest.

Comments?

Todesritter
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 04:19 PM
I don't want to ban ForMyFatherland. I don't really like what he had to say, but at least he is being honest.

Comments?
I understand the appeal of all of the ‘Aryan’ historical and anthropological revelations, but basing current racial ideas off of the distribution of the language family of a now extinct race is a fallacy. (My own personal opinion on this, is that if we had the ability to grab some ancient Aryans from say 5000 years ago, and showed them modern Persian/Iranians and told them these were their somewhat hybridized decedents, they would first ask if we were joking, then attempt to kill us for insulting them, but if we took a modern Dane or Scotsman and told them these were their somewhat hybridized decedents, they would be a little intimidated by the size of the Northern specimens, but be most happy.) Anyway, fanciful conjecture aside, I would also applaud any Iranian living in the US to get the heck out of here, and go de-Moslemize or de-Arabize their country to try and restore ancient Persian ways, so long as they go. I would wish them good luck with that, and wave. :wavey001: Of course they would probably be stoned to death upon setting foot in that country, but if they are happy with some primordial fantasy of their homeland, and go home as a result I am all for it. …that is if they actually go back, and this is not just some happy fairy-story they tell Anglo-American types.

However I cannot see myself calling someone of this background a true friend, though American’s tend to use the term ‘friend’ very loosely. Americans tend to call anyone they see on a regular basis, who they don’t brawl with immediately, and with whom they have spoken for more than 20 minutes a ‘friend’. I personally like what I feel is the wiser German advice, I heard from multiple German ‘friends’, that a person is lucky if they can count at the end of their life their true friends with the fingers on a single hand.

I am personally more fond of debating with, or advising ForMyFatherland to be less naive, as it sounds these ‘Persians’ are being if not actively trying to entice and deceive with their ‘Aryan’ stories rather than banning ForMyFatherland, but then again I live in 'America' too, so what do I know? :guinness:

Todesritter
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 04:36 PM
I don't care about race at all when it comes to aquaintences. It's all about what kind of ppl they are. I would feel uneasy having a good friend who is of another race however.
Concerning dating, maybe for something exotic, but I would not want to marry unless I was really in love with her.
Whoa, I have been ignoring this thread for a while I guess.

Personally I would like something exotic too, I just define exotic a little differently than Mr. ErikBloodaxe; a nice stubborn, thick-skulled, well read, Scottish-American lass would be plenty exotic for me - and I would not wish to 'date' someone whom I theoretically would not be proud eventually to marry if we proved compatible over time.

... but I hope he enjoys his 'exotic fruit' in the Land of Bannination. :wavey001:

Rehnskiöld
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 06:16 PM
I can speak in a friendly tone to darkies in my class and even have a laugh with them at rare occasions, but I would feel bad if I let them into my house or introduced them to relatives or friends. It would feel like contaminating my gĺrd to let them step on the blessed un-contaminated soil of it.Nor do I really label any darkies as friends...

Then again, we europeans are not as deeply fallen into the multicultural abyss as our kinsmen in America,or rather - contrary to them we didn't start out at the bottom of it, so I won't judge them so harshly, just point an warning finger to be ware so you don't get to attached to them.

Valhöll
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 06:43 PM
It is not the peoples problem that our loose government is causing our country to go into a multi - cultural hell. FOr many years I have worked around the likes on Non - White people.

ErikBloodaxe on the other hand is clearly living in this other world, what he states is asinine. Saying that you would commit an act of race defilement is suicide on this forum :laugh

Vanir
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 07:14 PM
Something is wrong when to be solely amongst one's own folk & kin is an environment requiring serious effort to attain

I have found that it is unhealthy in the long run, and of all my friendships with foreigners NONE of them has really enriched my life in any "warm & fuzzy" way, they have been a constant drain, have sought to erode my self-confidence, have betrayed me, and have taught me that there can be no half measures. Perhaps one might genially exchange formalities with such people, with one's guard at full alert, but that is all.

There are many elements to the interracial friendship problem which I have thoughts on, but I'm too tired to write it down clearly ATM, I'll get back to this thread. Foreigners (primarily of the Southern European variety are very aggressive in asserting their "frame" of reality upon any situation (inc. friendships) I don't know if it is cultural, or primate "Boss-Politics" that are hardwired into them, though I'm guessing the latter. The Russians I've known were all big on it as well, the boasting, ego stroking, chest thumping and oneupmanship were incessant & sickening, though to be fair I don't think any of them were ethnic Russian, probably Georgians or similar

Like one of Pavlov's dogs, The behaviour of Mediterraneans and other Non Northern folk have conditioned me to keep right away from them.

Krissi
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 07:15 PM
Well, one of my childhood friends is a half persian and half teutonic.

I haven't talk to him in months but we catch up 2-3 times every summer. He knows what my opinions are but he still respects me and he would back me up in a fight and I respect him for that and I would do the same for him.

Draugr
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 07:28 PM
Japanese people have a great culture, and are orderly and responsible people, I would love to visit Japan. The Japanese are not trying to conquer the through their own poverty the Northlands way some are with ghettos of their kind, and I would not like to see a world where Norsemen conquered and colonized Japan. I would have no problem viewing a Japanese person as my equal, though an alien, or if I were visiting East Asia, I guess I would be the alien.

These people are a people of great wisdom, mind, and spirit.

Yeah right, read up on Issei Sagawa . I will outline his story to you: A sick artsy man with a fetish for large strong european women (and erotic cannibalism) is studying in Paris; he murders, butchers, and eats his Dutch german tutor. His rich industialist father springs him from the french mental institution he has been incarcerated at, and moves his son back to a Japanese institution from whence he is released into the general populace (even though his doctors still believe he is dangerous), and hence has become a cult celebrity in Japan (with like two best selling books, where he goes into detail about the murder and cannibalism of Renee Hartevelt, and a movie deal in the works).

Lessons here: don't try teaching German to little Japanese guys, never accept any of their homemade "sushi", and don't let your buxom daughters go to JAPAN!

János Hunyadi
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 07:33 PM
It seems to me that the Americans here, living as they do in a multiracial society, seem to have much looser standards for non-White friendship.

Correct,

America is much more multiracial then Europe unless you live states like Vermont, Maine, Iowa, Montana, or West Virginia.

In most parts of America it's almost impossible to avoid contact with non-Whites in everyday life and society.

There are a few non-Whites that I may be friendly with through work and college, but they are only acquaintences and not friends. Outside of school and work I generally want nothing to do with them.

János Hunyadi
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 07:51 PM
The Russians I've known were all big on it as well, the boasting, ego stroking, chest thumping and oneupmanship were incessant & sickening, though to be fair I don't think any of them were ethnic Russian, probably Georgians or similar (like a Greek calling itself Australian)

For what it's worth, I've heard that 75-80% of all immigrants from Russia and the former USSR to America since the collapse of the Soviet Union have been ethnic Jews. Another 5-10% are natives of the Caucasus, with Armenians in particular.

So we are then left with only 10-15% of Russian immigrants who are either ethnic Russian or Eastern Slavs.

Sonja
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 08:33 PM
Yeah right, read up on Issei Sagawa . I will outline his story to you: A sick artsy man with a fetish for large strong european women (and erotic cannibalism) is studying in Paris; he murders, butchers, and eats his Dutch german tutor. His rich industialist father springs him from the french mental institution he has been incarcerated at, and moves his son back to a Japanese institution from whence he is released into the general populace (even though his doctors still believe he is dangerous), and hence has become a cult celebrity in Japan (with like two best selling books, where he goes into detail about the murder and cannibalism of Renee Hartevelt, and a movie deal in the works).

Lessons here: don't try teaching German to little Japanese guys, never accept any of their homemade "sushi", and don't let your buxom daughters go to JAPAN!You are obviously completely ignorant about Japanese culture. You think that this story about some twisted murderer proves something? 84% of known serial killers to date have been White. Does that make us inherently sick? No.

Asians have the lowest tendency towards crime. Japan is a clean country, their people are respectful, quiet, and honourable, and they have a rich culture. They are also nationalistic to the extreme. The source of their modern problems is Western (read: American) influence.

Draugr
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 08:53 PM
You are obviously completely ignorant about Japanese culture. You think that this story about some twisted murderer proves something? 84% of known serial killers to date have been White. Does that make us inherently sick? No.

I know there is a sickness underlying it that no westerner should ever want to come in contact with. That sick murder catapulted that animal to celebrity in Japan, celebrating him as cultural zenith, sort of like making Ed Kemper into Dr. Phil. Notice too you said "84% of KNOWN serial killers" you are talking on a phenmenon that takes years to tark down and thousands of man hours to stop, so no one can claim that statistically they have a clear picture yet of anything, look at how long it took to track and catch Chikatilo. How many culture around the world still practice cannibalism.


Asians have the lowest tendency towards crime. Japan is a clean country, their people are respectful, quiet, and honourable, and they have a rich culture. They are also nationalistic to the extreme. The source of their modern problems is Western (read: American) influence.

Bull, they are like whited sephulchers. Did you know up to the 19th century human flesh was still prepared in Chinese resturants. I know of many crimes comitted by Asians that are twisted in nature, in fact one was commited on my campus. Asians will smile to your face and slash your throat from behind, do not trust them, do not associate with them, and do not think that they are in anyway as sanitary as us. I have no love for nationalism which divided europe and had brother killing brother over stupid ideas of who they were supposed to be.

So we blame the Americans again, well I hope you enjoy eating dog in Shanghi, and don't tell me there's nothing wrong with a people who can eat their best friend.

Orientals are Anthropophagists in more ways than one.

Glory
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 08:53 PM
Japan is a clean country, their people are respectful, quiet, and honourable, and they have a rich culture.
They weren't so respectful and honorable to my grandfather and his friends during ww2. They're savage and malicious. My grandfather has told me many, many horror stories of these subhumans.

I will not befriend a non white. All they want to do is destory what we have create and screw us over, yet the government treats them as 1st class citizens.

Sonja
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 08:57 PM
They weren't so respectful and honorable to my grandfather and his friends during ww2. They're savage and malicious. My grandfather has told me many, many horror stories of these subhumans.
http://www.astrosurf.org/lombry/Physique/bombe-hiroshima-aloft.jpg

anonymaus
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 08:58 PM
^ Well put.

Very difficult at this point to separate the truth from the victor's histories and also the political motivations.. what we do know, however, is WE are here and WE are Norden - THEY are not and, thus, are of little interest.

How silly for Nords to bicker over the wellness of a foreign culture, as if it mattered at all to us :rolleyes:

anonymaus
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 09:05 PM
I have a good friend who is Lebanese/Iranian and he and I share many similar views both on politics and culture in general. He and his family are against racial/cultural mixing and have exiled one of their family members due to mixing. I have great respect for this belief of theirs and I wish more Muslim Arabs were more like this. We respect each other’s cultures and often inform each other on our backgrounds. It's quite interesting to say the least. After all we both want to return to our homelands one day and get out of this multi-cultural hellhole. We weren't born here amongst each other by choice. What are your opinions?

-His mother is descended from an ancient Aryan princess that ruled over Iran. She has proof and ownership to some items on display in a museum in Britain. Phenomenal stuff if you ask me. I explained to her all about the Aryans and she said her family also ruled over northern India in ancient times... I was extremely shocked to hear all of this.

Shocking indeed - it sounds as if you are halfway towards pan-aryanism from this post.. though surely we know different from your previous postings.

Clarification couldn't hurt I suppose, though I don't see anything other than intellectual curiosity on your part - well other than having a non-white "good friend"

The last part is a bit weird for me, but not my business ;)

Erlingr: Put the noose down, bror. :cool:

Death and the Sun
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 09:11 PM
I can respect some non-White nations. The Japanese and the Koreans being at the top of the list: intelligent, polite, educated and proud people.

There is no need whatsoever for us to constantly slander others. True self-respect cannot exist without respect for others -- those who deserve it.

Hatred will only consume and burn us up. We should hate what is happening in our countries as we speak, but be indifferent to those non-Whites who live in their own lands.

Yes, sometimes I too allow my frustration to get the better of me and let off some steam in an enraged rant. But let's not make that our common mode of discourse.

anonymaus
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 09:14 PM
I can respect some non-White nations. The Japanese and the Koreans being at the top of the list: intelligent, polite, educated and proud people.

There is no need whatsoever for us to constantly slander others. True self-respect cannot exist without respect for others -- those who deserve it.

Hatred will only consume and burn us up. We should hate what is happening in our countries as we speak, but be indifferent to those non-Whites who live in their own lands.

Yes, sometimes I too allow my frustration to get the better of me and let off some steam in an enraged rant. But let's not make that our common mode of discourse.

I agree, and take it one step further to say we should not make it our daily activity to slander, or even make mention of, other sites in the same vein as ours - regardless of their "quality"; we dirty ourselves by speaking of them, and do ourselves no benefit by slandering them.

Our people have many things greater than hatred of others to unite us, do we not?

Draugr
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 09:49 PM
http://www.astrosurf.org/lombry/Physique/bombe-hiroshima-aloft.jpg

PEACE THROUGH SUPERIOR FIREPOWER AND AIR DOMINENCE.

Glory
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 09:49 PM
http://www.astrosurf.org/lombry/Physique/bombe-hiroshima-aloft.jpg
Only thing I regret from that is..that they weren't all wiped out.

Sonja
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 10:07 PM
They weren't so respectful and honorable to my grandfather and his friends during ww2. They're savage and malicious. My grandfather has told me many, many horror stories of these subhumans.It's called a war. Opposite sides fight each other. What did you expect? I might add that the Japanese and the Germans both fought the Allied powers.


Only thing I regret from that is..that they weren't all wiped out.I am sorry that you missed the irony of my statement in contrast to your assertion that the Japanese are 'savage and malicious'.

Death and the Sun
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 10:08 PM
What is the point of inciting useless conflicts between different nations, regardless of the race of the people who live there?

All thorough history, most of the time the men who actually had to fight and die in wars opposed these wars, as they usually were fought for the benefit of the priviliged few, of whom many often were J**s.

The one exception is national defense forces trying to expel a foreign invader.

MenschNaturTechnik
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 10:41 PM
East Asians do most things as well as Caucasians but they're not a creative or courageous race, in fact they're quite conformist and timid. Feudal Japan, however, was a brilliant culture with interesting parallels to heathen Europe. On the whole, I find them to be very self-disciplined and also a little bit creepy. :chinese:

Glory
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 10:43 PM
It's called a war. Opposite sides fight each other. What did you expect? I might add that the Japanese and the Germans both fought the Allied powers.
Germans were honorable whites. Japs were smalled eyed gooks. Tons of white men were tortured because of the Japanese. Americans, Canadians, Australians, New Zealanders, British, Dutch, etc. These were real death camps. Not to mention their "rape of nanking" perhaps you heard of it? They also tortured and destoried other Asians.

I am sorry that you missed the irony of my statement in contrast to your assertion that the Japanese are 'savage and malicious'.
They deserve a thousand painful deaths for putting my family in pain. :viking4: I put them in the same place as I put all non whites, is that ok Sonjason?:chinese:

Todesritter
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 10:44 PM
Hypothetically speaking, if a random white man were to attempt to harm my Sensei, and I tore his throat out in response, would that make me a race traitor?

Japan, a civilized yet alien nation with traditions of scholarly & technical excellence as well as a formalized warrior code was a far truer and more worthy ally of the Reich than Italy, a European country populated technically be whites, many of whom in the northern parts are even rather Nordish looking, more so in some cases than the Swiss or Austrians I’ve seen.

Americans from the WWII generation who have nothing but slander for Japan are idiots in my opinion; they have bought the propaganda sold during that period without question. Both of my grandfathers were in the US Airforce, which rained hell down upon the Axis powers, but they have mostly good things to say about Germany and Japan, and roll their eyes when Italy the Axis/Allied ‘power’ is mentioned.

Death and the Sun
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 10:48 PM
We have to separate our personal feelings from our political goals and our ideologies as a movement. My grandfather, who died last summer at the age of 94, had back pains for almost 60 years because of a Russian grenade shrapnel lodged in his lower back. Does that I mean I hate all Russians? Of course not.

Todesritter
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 10:49 PM
Sonjason?:chinese:
Hmmm, troll much? I thought ad hominem debate tactics were beneath an honorable white fellow, perhaps I was mistaken… ?

Oh, yeah, I see the American flag now. :rolleyes:

Death and the Sun
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 10:52 PM
Hmmm, troll much? I thought ad hominem debate tactics were beneath an honorable white fellow, perhaps I was mistaken… ?

Oh, yeah, I see the American flag now. :rolleyes:

Agreed, disagree with others if you must, but don't embarrass yourself with empty insults.

Hagalaz
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 10:53 PM
Traitor.

LOL! You obviously don't know me very well, do you?


This is very sweet. I as well feel every one at the world who have similar demeanour and disposition should befriend one another; one world, peace, harmony, love, marijuana and unity.
:flynch: I do not support globalization on any level nor do I partake in the inhalation of any drugs :) You've got me all wrong my friend.


I agree that this is a noble act, but it does not warrant bonds of loyalty as kinsmen.
He is NOT a kinsman and never will be. It is a mere friendship and nothing more. I would never dare utter his name in the practice of brotherhood.


Hold you his hand and skip to the multikulti museums and lunch at the local mosque as well?

...sounds as a blast. :102st:

Your humor does not amuse me. I am not a Muslim, I am not a Muslim 'sympathizer'. It is out of pure interest and study. As far as religion goes, I am but a loyal man under the gods, following ancient tradition passed on through blood.


You sound as pan-aryan slave. The term "Aryan" is a ticket to feast and bear company with those of Norden? In this case, please invite all of your friends here; especially the ones from the deserts to the south. I have welcoming gift for them indeed. Perhaps you should think two goat tails about your place here. No öndvegi awaits your sitting.

LOL, I didn't meant to come off as a pan-Aryan. I don't even support panism amongst meta-ethnicities so pan-Aryanism is far out of the question, as well as absolutely ridiculous! I only mentioned their Aryan ancestor because I thought some people might be interested. By no means are they the "Aryans" of old because one of their ancient, ancient ancestors happened to be Aryan nobility. I still view them as foreign and I still view them as Arabs.


:ban00000:

Ban me if you want, but you'd be acting on behalf of your own spontaneous ignorance and pure misunderstanding.




It seems to me that the Americans here, living as they do in a multiracial society, seem to have much looser standards for non-White friendship. For most Europeans I would find this unacceptable, though.


Yes I agree! In our dear homelands of Europa, no foreigner should tempt to cross the boundaries. There should exist not a friendship, not an acquaintance, for that is encouraging their stay. However, here in America I have no connection to this land nor by the ideals from which this country was established. I'm simply waiting until the time is right to make my departure and escape the multi-cultural disaster that continues to grow headily day by day. 'American culture' - American homogeneity - is a hopeless cause.



I hope I've cleared a few things up for all of you.

Sonja
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 10:59 PM
East Asians do most things as well as Caucasians but they're not a creative or courageous race, in fact they're quite conformist and timid. Feudal Japan, however, was a brilliant culture with interesting parallels to heathen Europe. On the whole, I find them to be very self-disciplined and also a little bit creepy. :chinese:Yes, they are a little bit creepy. They don't really have feelings (they are very concealed). I lived in Japan for awhile, so I am just speaking from experience here. It can all be explained by this theory I have (expressed in a nutshell):

Negro: Low IQ. Physical desires prominent. Physical nature accounts for high propensity for crimes like rape, killing for small sums of cash.
White: Mid-level IQ. Thoughts and feelings developed. Emotional nature accounts for the highest level of passionate crime (premeditated murder, serial killing).
Asian (Oriental): Mid-high IQ. Thoughts dominant over feelings. Thoughtful nature accounts for high suicide rate.

Edit: Also, I vote against banning ForMyFatherland.

Todesritter
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 11:05 PM
Flaming a Moderator however is not terribly sensible.

anonymaus
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 11:23 PM
I hope I've cleared a few things up for all of you.

Clear enough for me, though I did not doubt you before.

I should think a ban is not warranted here :P

Stig NHF
Wednesday, April 6th, 2005, 11:26 PM
Uhm....Do you people hate people that live in their own nations in peace and follow their own culture? If you do , then YOU are the scum. Japanese are actually a quite nice people , apart from their turbocapitalism of course. They stick to their own traditional culture, they are polite and have high culture. I'd hold in much higher regard a traditional Japanese person than some rootless Norwegian from Oslo.

Erlingr Hárbarđarson
Thursday, April 7th, 2005, 12:11 AM
Sorry for belated retort...


LOL! You obviously don't know me very well, do you?
No, but I like it this way.


I do not support globalization on any level nor do I partake in the inhalation of any drugs :) You've got me all wrong my friend. We wil see on this, but never the less good to hear.


He is NOT a kinsman and never will be. It is a mere friendship and nothing more. I would never dare utter his name in the practice of brotherhood. I see what you say, but bretherenhood and friendship are one. This is the heartflow of fóstbrćđralag. Americans must have different thoughts on what friends and honour are. Splitting a stone into two is for the unwise man to share.


Your humor does not amuse me.
...but it does amuse me. :smokin01:


As far as religion goes, I am but a loyal man under the gods, following ancient tradition passed on through blood.
Your humour amuses me neither. What know you of Síđhöttr?! Every american like to call him self heathen, but nothing beneath the cold silences is really known. It just makes you feel as though a connection is under existance whilst tis but a torn röggvararfeldur you wear for you wil never be of native seas. The lifeforce is far from you as is the path of a true ásatrúarmađur.


LOL, I didn't meant to come off as a pan-Aryan. I don't even support panism amongst meta-ethnicities so pan-Aryanism is far out of the question, as well as absolutely ridiculous! I only mentioned their Aryan ancestor because I thought some people might be interested. By no means are they the "Aryans" of old because one of their ancient, ancient ancestors happened to be Aryan nobility. I still view them as foreign and I still view them as Arabs. Then your "view" is a liberal one.


Ban me if you want, but you'd be acting on behalf of your own spontaneous ignorance and pure misunderstanding. I wil not ban you, but I wil keep eye to you. If you have written over 100 postings, then you must do some thing right, so I give to this time and we wil see what comes of it.


Yes I agree! In our dear homelands of Europa, no foreigner should tempt to cross the boundaries. This is our homelands, not yours...europeans shal say of what may come, of what tears shal fall and of what blood may spill over european soil as no one else has this noble right. Why do americans think they have right to say what shal be for every land and people? We do not tell to you how to drink your coca-colas and how to listen to country music...:mad: Leave us alone. Ill truths envoke ill ways. Our purity is not for sale or in a shops window at which tourists may gawk!


I'm simply waiting until the time is right to make my departure and escape the multi-cultural disaster that continues to grow headily day by day. 'American culture' - American homogeneity - is a hopeless cause. You are making a flee and searching for asylum here!? :icon_arro

SouthernBoy
Thursday, April 7th, 2005, 12:15 AM
Yes, they are a little bit creepy. They don't really have feelings (they are very concealed). I lived in Japan for awhile, so I am just speaking from experience here. It can all be explained by this theory I have (expressed in a nutshell):

Negro: Low IQ. Physical desires prominent. Physical nature accounts for high propensity for crimes like rape, killing for small sums of cash.
White: Mid-level IQ. Thoughts and feelings developed. Emotional nature accounts for the highest level of passionate crime (premeditated murder, serial killing).
Asian (Oriental): Mid-high IQ. Thoughts dominant over feelings. Thoughtful nature accounts for high suicide rate.

Edit: Also, I vote against banning ForMyFatherland.
Forgive me, who is "High IQ" if not the northeast Asians?

Valhöll
Thursday, April 7th, 2005, 12:49 AM
Erlingr, I do not wish to step up to you and conjure up a fight, but please keep your Anti - American comments to yourself. I understand you have great dislike toward Americans, but I do not wish my country to be slandered. Some things you say are nothing more than petty sterotype.

Todesritter
Thursday, April 7th, 2005, 03:28 AM
Erlingr, I do not wish to step up to you and conjure up a fight, but please keep your Anti - American comments to yourself. I understand you have great dislike toward Americans, but I do not wish my country to be slandered. Some things you say are nothing more than petty sterotype.
Please understand, I mean you and the good parts of America no disrespect.

I am a US citizen, born and raised; however I completely sympathize with Anti-American feelings. I feel as though our country has gone down many hopelessly flawed paths, and moreover, through its self-positioning and involvement in WWI, WWII, the ‘Cold War’, and post-Cold War period, has pushed Americanism into an international politically-correct movement which has the function of making the rest of these countries as screwed up as we are.

By Americanism, I distinguish what I would almost characterize as an internationally contagious social virus, which destroys civilization in favor of McWorld, from the parts of our country and ideals I think are good. With Americanism, and the pursuit of McWorld, the whites of this country in general become a larger problem than the foreigners. I thought it could not get any worse here, and with our influence on Europe with the liberals running things, but the ‘Neo-Cons’ here with their peddling of Evangelical Christianity and American style Democracy everywhere are even somewhat worse. :confused:

I personally hope we stop trying to export our flawed system, grow up a bit as a culture, and fix the problems with our system, but I don’t hold out much hope of this.

Sonja
Thursday, April 7th, 2005, 05:59 AM
Forgive me, who is "High IQ" if not the northeast Asians?I consider high IQ to be 130+. Also, I stated 'mid-high' to stress that Whites are closer to Asians than we are to sub-Saharan Africans in the sense of intelligence.

Draugr
Thursday, April 7th, 2005, 07:28 AM
White: Mid-level IQ. Thoughts and feelings developed. Emotional nature accounts for the highest level of passionate crime (premeditated murder, serial killing).

Premeditated murder is not passionate nature, and serial killing is as far from passion as Pluto is from the sun, i.e. Sociopaths and Psychopaths do not display emotional natures they are in fact the opposite. And how do I have to say this, pathic serial killers are hard to pin down, in western countries they are caught so it would appear that most are white (blacks would not be able to carry on a campange of murder due to the fact that they get nabbed for other crimes), but what about serial murderers in other countries? In a third world nation such an animal would not even show up on anyone's radar for years if at all.


Asian (Oriental): Mid-high IQ. Thoughts dominant over feelings. Thoughtful nature accounts for high suicide rate.


Simple thoughts may dominate over feelings that are NOT rooted in deep thinking. And thoughtful people do not commit suicide, only selfish narcesitic people do.

Draugr
Thursday, April 7th, 2005, 07:29 AM
As far as anti-American comments go shoot away, we have earned as a nation, and it is not worth defending.

Hagalaz
Thursday, April 7th, 2005, 07:58 AM
As far as anti-American comments go shoot away, we have earned as a nation, and it is not worth defending.

It's not America I defend, but my own self dignity. Please don't call me an American and don't associate me with the majority of Americans. It's by far one of the most insulting terms you can use.

MenschNaturTechnik
Thursday, April 7th, 2005, 08:33 AM
The disease which afflicts America also afflicts Europe and, in fact, was carried over from Europe. The absence of tradition in this untamed new land only exacerbated the illness.

jcs
Thursday, April 7th, 2005, 03:55 PM
Please don't call me an American and don't associate me with the majority of Americans. It's by far one of the most insulting terms you can use. You are an American. You were born here; you are a product of this nation. Of course, nationality is not the sole determinant of character, but it still constitutes part of your being.
Also, it's erroneous to define a nation by the majority of its people. If we do this, Sweden should be thought of as a multiculturalist state, which ignores the nation's history and the minority of true Swedes who still care about that history.


The disease which afflicts America also afflicts Europe and, in fact, was carried over from Europe. Indeed. This is why all European nations (with Germany being an arguable exception due to the events after the war) embraced "Americanism" with open arms--America was simply the host in which the disease afflicting the West was incubated.

Sonja
Thursday, April 7th, 2005, 06:29 PM
I see that you're dead, but I want to reply anyway so as to clarify my statements.


Premeditated murder is not passionate natureOkay, maybe not in the legal sense. My idea was that deliberately plotting to kill a particular individual requires more 'feeling' than shooting someone in the head and stealing their wallet.


and serial killing is as far from passion as Pluto is from the sun, i.e. Sociopaths and Psychopaths do not display emotional natures they are in fact the opposite.I believe that the majority of serial killers are completely sane.


in western countries they are caught so it would appear that most are white (blacks would not be able to carry on a campange of murder due to the fact that they get nabbed for other crimes)No, blacks are the ones committing aforementioned 'shooting someone in the head and stealing their wallet' crimes. There is no emotion in their criminal tendencies. There is, however, a lot of emotional depth in many serial murder cases.


but what about serial murderers in other countries? In a third world nation such an animal would not even show up on anyone's radar for years if at all.That isn't the case in countries like Japan.


And thoughtful people do not commit suicide, only selfish narcesitic people do.Disagreed here.

The Horned God
Thursday, April 7th, 2005, 07:43 PM
Another intresting thing is that women often find something exciting about serial killer as if they perhaps perceive it as a type of hyper masculinity, or someting, pretty screwed up I think you will agree, and an example of a situation where females need to be saved from themselves. :icon_wink

Erlingr Hárbarđarson
Thursday, April 7th, 2005, 08:54 PM
Another intresting thing is that women often find something exciting about serial killer as if they perhaps perceive it as a type of hyper masculinity, or someting, pretty screwed up I think you will agree, and an example of a situation where females need to be saved from themselves. :icon_wink

So that is why I always get the ladies. :fpunk:


:D

Todesritter
Thursday, April 7th, 2005, 10:37 PM
So that is why I always get the ladies. :fpunk:


:D

:rotfl:
Seriously, would say there is some truth in The Horned God's statement, but it is an over generalization, and that some women are not so foolish left to their own devices. At least, I hope that is the case, I personally have become rather bored with being a replacement ‘common sense’ and ‘self discipline’ for various females who are bent on self-destruction without constant attention. Sort of defeats the fun of the ‘damsel in distress’, when the dragon threatening the lady is herself.

… that aside, there is a certain terrible truth to this fascination with serial killers, case in point, Scott Peterson, who was convicted of killing his pregnant wife, after cheating on her repeatedly, is getting a huge amount of marriage proposals now that he has been convicted and sentenced to death. The amount of proposals actually increased from the time where he was merely accused to after the conviction and death sentence. :rolleyes:

However this is getting seriously: :offtopid: :guinness:

Blood_Axis
Friday, April 8th, 2005, 08:35 AM
So that is why I always get the ladies. :fpunk:


:D
Priceless!! :cupgold0: :fhclap:

Glory
Saturday, April 9th, 2005, 05:27 PM
We have to separate our personal feelings from our political goals and our ideologies as a movement. My grandfather, who died last summer at the age of 94, had back pains for almost 60 years because of a Russian grenade shrapnel lodged in his lower back. Does that I mean I hate all Russians? Of course not.
There's a difference between Russians and Japanese. Even if Japanese were "white" I would still have a hard time trusting them. For political and historical differences.

Agreed, disagree with others if you must, but don't embarrass yourself with empty insults.
Most people insult me for being a American. But I'm a big boy and I shake it off as nothing.

Do you people hate people that live in their own nations in peace and follow their own culture? If you do , then YOU are the scum.
I really don't care if they're in their own country and follow their own "culture" I'm more concerned about us becoming a minority in the world because people are accepting them when they come to our countries. I feel if we accept them as friends it will be counter productive.

Edit why was Draugr banned?

Erlingr Hárbarđarson
Saturday, April 9th, 2005, 11:53 PM
Edit why was Draugr banned?

Twas STAFF decision and not to be public disgussed on. Thank you for your understanding on this.

Triglav
Sunday, April 10th, 2005, 10:13 AM
… that aside, there is a certain terrible truth to this fascination with serial killers, case in point, Scott Peterson, who was convicted of killing his pregnant wife, after cheating on her repeatedly, is getting a huge amount of marriage proposals now that he has been convicted and sentenced to death.

In truth...

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1371965/posts

Southern Jarl
Friday, November 17th, 2006, 04:25 AM
Just curious. I know how most people over here stand on interracial sex and marriage, but how about friendship?
As for me, I do have non-white friends. I'm not sure about the exact number, but they aren't many, and most of them are borderline acquaintances. Just a few Amerindian/European mixes and a half jewish friend (that would be considered "white" by many). I suspect some negroid influence in another fellow, but I'm not so sure. None of them are purely non-Europid and most lean heavily on the Europid side. My closest friends are fully European (well, I'm not so sure about all of their ancestors, but for the sake of practicality...).

*White as European Europid.

Skildur
Friday, November 17th, 2006, 04:38 AM
I have plenty of lappoid friends. ;) Two guys that I know quite well are half-jews (phenotypicaly one looks quite armenoid and the second one's very Cro-Magnid). I think that's all, can't remember anyone else to add to this list.

Bridie
Friday, November 17th, 2006, 04:43 AM
Currently I have one childhood friend who is part Aboriginal and 2 friends who are part Maori. When I was younger I had a few aquaintances who were Asian too, but I could never be close to them, or even relate to them too well... they were just too different.... and as I mentioned in another thread, I even had a Singaporean boyfriend at the age of 18 for a couple of months. :-O :P

The Horned God
Friday, November 17th, 2006, 04:50 AM
No I don't, and that is inspite of several non-white people basicly throwing themselves at me in the sense of trying to cultivate my friendship.

Not only do I have no non-white friends but I would not befriend somone who was in a romantic relationship with a non-European.

Skildur
Friday, November 17th, 2006, 04:52 AM
Not only do I have no non-white friends but I would not befriend somone who was in a romantic relationship with a non-European.


Even Bridie? :P

joseanton
Friday, November 17th, 2006, 04:55 AM
Yes a lot, I´m peruvian and nobody from Peru can say that don´t have non-white friends, in fact the intermixing make nobody can say that don´t have non-white relatives, I have non-white cousins

Bridie
Friday, November 17th, 2006, 05:01 AM
Even Bridie? :P

:D Well, that was a long time ago for me now. My life and even some of my values were different then. In any case our relationship wasn't very "romantic" ;) , we were more like friends. He was a great guy though, I must admit. :) Great to talk to.

Skildur
Friday, November 17th, 2006, 05:11 AM
He was a great guy though, I must admit. :) Great to talk to.


I understand what you feel. During my first year of studying in the university I fell in love with girl who looked almost like Bjork's long lost sister. But we broke up after several months of dating. :( Thanks to her, I'm still addicted to sushi and ... to Bjork. :D

Bridie
Friday, November 17th, 2006, 05:22 AM
I understand what you feel. During my first year of studying in the university I fell in love with girl who looked almost like Bjork's long lost sister. But we broke up after several months of dating. :( Thanks to her, I'm still addicted to sushi and ... to Bjork. :D

:) Not really the same I don't think. :chinrub I could never really connect with this guy on the level that would be needed to actually fall in love with him... and I was never really sexually attracted to him either... this is why we "broke up". I really only ever went out with him in the first place because he was new to Australia, didn't know many people and seemed so alone.... so I felt sorry for him. :( So when he asked me out I thought, 'if I don't go out with him, who will??' (Honestly!! :-O ) I'm a sucker for lonely or sad people. :fshy:

The Horned God
Friday, November 17th, 2006, 05:28 AM
Even Bridie? :P

I meant someone in such a relationship currently, or who showed a pattern of such behaviour. ;)

Eberhardt
Friday, November 17th, 2006, 05:39 AM
There's a few black kids at school that I talk to often, as well as many Mexican-mixed kids. I'd only consider one of the kids a friend, in that we mess around with the teachers every day and joke with each other. Back when I went to public school I had a black friend who I kept in touch with after school.

I wouldn't consider myself "racist" when it comes to friendship.

Finnic Wolf
Friday, November 17th, 2006, 05:56 AM
Yes, just friends. My dislike of multi-culturalism and my love of my people does not carry out into violent streams of hate of all people of different races even though we'd all be happier if we were separate.

Thusnelda
Friday, November 17th, 2006, 03:44 PM
I dont have non-white friends, since there are hardly non-whites in my region who are not muslim. Most non-whites (I should better say non-europeans) are muslims, and I dont make friends with muslims. I´ve made only bad experiences with these people, I feel quite a big antipathy towards them.

Mercator
Friday, November 17th, 2006, 03:59 PM
I had an unforgettable friend who is 50% Jewish and 50% Basque:D When I was a child my best friend was a diaguita (indian from NW Argentina):)

Sigurd
Friday, November 17th, 2006, 04:31 PM
No, I do not have any non-white friends per se.

As a general rule of thumb, though, whilst I do respect other races, I will not generally have friendships outwith my own. A relation of mutual respect can arise, but no friendship; mainly because we are usually too different - I like to have things in common with my friends: Taste of music, worldview, politics, religion; anything along those lines...besides the fact that I am somewhat "racist" when it comes to choosing my friends, I prefer to be out and about with those of my folk group or those reasonably close to my folk group.

There are two non-white people though I used to hang out with sometimes at school...both actually placing a high importance on folk values - probably the reason why we got on. :P

Seph
Friday, November 17th, 2006, 04:45 PM
:) Not really the same I don't think. :chinrub I could never really connect with this guy on the level that would be needed to actually fall in love with him... and I was never really sexually attracted to him either... this is why we "broke up". I really only ever went out with him in the first place because he was new to Australia, didn't know many people and seemed so alone.... so I felt sorry for him. :( So when he asked me out I thought, 'if I don't go out with him, who will??' (Honestly!! :-O ) I'm a sucker for lonely or sad people. :fshy:

You must be very nice, I wouldn't have gone out with him, honestly. I'm not really a racist at all, and I have muslim friends too, but I just can't think of going out with a guy from a different culture/religion.


Most non-whites (I should better say non-europeans) are muslims, and I dont make friends with muslims. I´ve made only bad experiences with these people, I feel quite a big antipathy towards them.

Same here, most immigrants are Turkish. There are many of them who just migrate to an european country to take advantage of the welfare state. But there are others, too! I've got two turkish friends who are not very strict when it comes to their religion, they wear pretty normal things. Usually, I only can't cope with muslims who take their religion very seriously.

What experiences have you made?


A relation of mutual respect can arise, but no friendship; mainly because we are usually too different - I like to have things in common with my friends: Taste of music, worldview, politics, religion; anything along those lines...

Well, but there are also many of them who think the same way - taste of music, worldview, politics and religion.

Pro-Alpine
Friday, November 17th, 2006, 04:51 PM
No, I hardly have any friends at all for that matter. And i'm uninterested in making such friends. There are just a few non-Europeans in my reigon.

Theudiskaz
Friday, November 17th, 2006, 04:57 PM
I've had a Jewish friend when I was a kid. We still get along, when I see him. I also knew a kid in high school who was half black. He was basically an "oreo" (black but acts white), was pretty witty and entertaining, one of the class clowns. We got along well. I work with a guy who is part native American, but most people could never tell. My uncle married a Mexican woman, and they have a mestizo kid. :( That's about the extent of my non-white friendships.
So, in sum, I don't have any non white friends.

Allenson
Friday, November 17th, 2006, 05:52 PM
No, not really. Out in the hinterlands where I live, non-whites are few and far between so the opportunity to even see any, let alone get to know any is slim.

However, I do work at a college and of course being the bastions of diversity that they are, there are oodles of Asians, Blacks, etc. to found here on campus.

I certainly know a few but I don't really count them as friends--just acquaintances, really.

Janus
Friday, November 17th, 2006, 06:03 PM
Nobody is close enough to be seriously called a friend but if you talk about good acquaintances I have to say yes, quite some. Since I'm living in a rural area without many immigrants most of my acquaintances are Europeans but I also have muslim ones or Asian ones. In the net even a quite big ammount of my acquaintances is from Eastasia and some even of exotic places like the UAE or Sacha but anyways, nobody of them could seriously called a friend, neither those in real life nor in the net.

Southern Jarl
Saturday, November 18th, 2006, 06:20 AM
My uncle married a Mexican woman, and they have a mestizo kid. :(

Well, we could wander off to another question: have you got any non-white relatives? Hah, you're lucky your uncle had one. Mine has 5 with an almost phenotypically pure amerindian woman. Funniest thing is that he has settled...in the States! And probably their "integration" (marrying into white families) will be easier due to their Germanic names and surname...:thumbup :| Tough one for me too, as their cousin I love them, but then they are kin and foreign at the same time!