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Mannerheim
Sunday, September 24th, 2006, 02:12 PM
I tried to collect average looking nordid faces mainly from scandinavian countries and also some from Finland where then some professionals could example make or try to make composition faces if possible.

I tried to search these people via google using swedish surnames and i also searched from swedish ice-hockey league - elitserien.I have to say that Sweden is real nation of nordics. :thumbup

It was rather impossible to find pictures of nordid women in some sport leagues for example simply cause theres not that much professional leagues for women..etc.Almost only for men. :thumbdown

Theres definetely CM in some of these examples involved but they all are still pred nordid.


Edit

I know that theres already many threads concerning nordids but i suggest that members should add at least couple unaltered nordids (east-nordid and halstatt) without CM influence for an example, to this thread, cause therefore some professionals could easily then morph out of these examples true nordid faces.

Criterias for pictures should be following:Rather good quality and taken straight in front of the person just like morphed nordid versions usually are taken. And also if the nordid would be unaltered type then all would be just great.

Mannerheim
Sunday, September 24th, 2006, 02:23 PM
Nordid finns though one accicentally came from swedsih side 3753314bc0820dc69029a438a6baeef0 is swede.


And by the way this finn is so called eastern finn.Hes from one of the most easternmost cities of Finland.

http://www.iltalehti.fi/runot/runotmikkosilvennoinenHM_rn.jpg

Mannerheim
Sunday, September 24th, 2006, 02:26 PM
Nordid women ,all from Finland though this model woman is from somewhere else.

I tried very hard to find pictures of nordid women but found only these.



http://www.tapanilanera.fi/foto/naiset/07kortti.jpg

Mannerheim
Sunday, September 24th, 2006, 02:28 PM
Very nordid swedes.

Mannerheim
Sunday, September 24th, 2006, 02:31 PM
And rest 3 of the nordids what are the most nordids or at least as nordids as the eliserien swedes in the first post.1 south-african,1german and 1 norwegian.I presume you recognize the german. ;)

This nordid composite face is almost identical to this south-african soccer player.


http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=74890&d=1159105124
http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=74886&d=1159104622


http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=74887&d=1159104622

http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=74888&d=1159104622

nätdeutsch
Sunday, September 24th, 2006, 04:13 PM
mostly good examples. several of those that you listed are however in my opinion mostly UP or even with hardly a nordid element.

thanks

Mannerheim
Sunday, September 24th, 2006, 04:24 PM
mostly good examples. several of those that you listed are however in my opinion mostly UP or even with hardly a nordid element.

thanks


I mistakinly said that "very nordid swedes" when they actually were rather CM + nordid mixes and some even taurid influenced types.My mistake from there.

People who i think haves more little non-nordid influence.

http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=74855&d=1159103546

Taurid + nordid


http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=74864&d=1159103847


CM - Faelid



http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=74875&d=1159104347

Baltid + nordid


http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=74876&d=1159104347


CM + nordid

http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=74880&d=1159104359

CM + nordid


http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=74881&d=1159104488


CM + nordid

http://forums.skadi.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=74883&d=1159104488

CM + nordid


Thats why i said that pred nordid.And also its quite hard to find pure nordid types and here is some pure nordid types.

Mannerheim
Sunday, September 24th, 2006, 06:11 PM
One more example of good east-nordid type.

Finnish or beeing more precise swedish finn Tobias Zilliacus.

http://www.actors.fi/images%202/ZilliacusTobias.jpg
http://www.dn.se/content/1/c6/54/50/13/Tobiaspuff153.jpg

Pro-Alpine
Thursday, November 16th, 2006, 07:16 PM
Why is Norway less Halstatt and more C.M.?

Why is Sweden more Halstatt and less C.M.?

They are geographical neighbours and Norway is in fact further away from non-Scandinavian territory than Sweden is, so what is the explanation fo this?

Ragnar Thorsson
Thursday, November 16th, 2006, 07:32 PM
Because the Hallstatts owned the Cromagnids. And sent them to Norway?

No, I really have no idea. Good question by the way.

Oswiu
Thursday, November 16th, 2006, 07:53 PM
Because the Hallstatts owned the Cromagnids. And sent them to Norway?
Owned? I detest such ridiculous fashionable modern slang words! But if it means what I think it means, then you're probably right. It's about migration routes of ancient IE bearing continental immigrants across from Mecklenburg way through the Danish archipelago and Skane. Does the distribution of Halstatts within Sweden support this?

Isn't there a map somewhere here on Skadi showing the relative frequencies of Nordids in Scandinavia and the Baltic? I've just been looking in the Gallery, but can't find it!

Galaico
Thursday, November 16th, 2006, 08:07 PM
A possibility could be the long Norwegian coast. In UP times, around 12.000 years ago Atlantid Auregnacids and Paleo-Atlantid Cromagnids who carried the R1b haplotype travelled all through the European Atlantic coast colonising it. They reached Denmark and Norway, where some of this people settled.

Paleo-Atlantids could have had settled at a higher degree in Norway, increasing the Cromagnid percentage. In fact, Tydals, which are relatively common in Norway, are a Paleo-Atlantid type. These ancestral Paleo-Atlantids could have also mixed with depigmented Nordids giving as result a (pseudo-)Dalo-Fälid looking Cromagnid.

This would also explain the higher rate of R1b in Norway (~33%) than in Sweden (~20%).

Anyway, just a guess :P

Väring
Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 01:04 PM
Because the Battle Axe people came from the east and the south and settled Scandinavia from east of the Baltic sea and from Denmark. That is why there is some Göta type presence in eastern Norway, but less so in the coastal, western parts. Another explanation could be that the Corded people were more numerous when they originally settled in Sweden and absorbed Cro-Magnids to a higher degree there.

Agrippa
Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 01:24 PM
Like almost everywhere, true Nordids dominated the region and took those areas which suited them and their way of living best. They were pastoralists and more mobile farmers which concentrated on animal husbandry originally. Everywhere Nordids and Mediterranids colonise areas the following way: Going along greater and fertile rivers and the flat fertile land, open steppes and grasslands for those which concentrated on pastoralism. They didnt cared for the mountains or deep forests as much, there older strata could survive better and were often better adapted to those more unfavourable areas as well.

They colonised the flat land and went into other areas only if they had to because of pressure or searched for ressources. Now look at Scandinavia:
http://www.freeworldmaps.net/europe/scandinavia/scandinavia.jpg

Now consider the climate too:
http://forums.skadi.net/racial_specialisations_and_climatic_zone s-t60131.html?&

Nordids being a high performance and dominant type which came out of the temperate climate, now conclude from what I said above in which areas Nordids will usually flourish if there would be no ethnocultural population movements and their subsistence pattern dominates at least:
http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8618/scandinavianordidyi4.th.jpg (http://img133.imageshack.us/my.php?image=scandinavianordidyi4.jpg)
If looking at that geographical map again, there can be little doubts about the question why Eastern Norway and Sweden is more Nordoid than Western Norway.

On the flat and fertile lands of temperate climate, around the Baltic sea, original Nordoid people spread and flourished best for a long time. Baltisation in the East and influences from other regions partly changed that, but still those areas are usually quite Nordid.

In the less favourable areas, Nordoids dominated never as much, and where they were, selective pressures might have worked for others too, because that were areas for which the Nordoid highly progressive and high performance type of the temperate to temperate-cold climate was not as adapted to.

Galaico
Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 04:05 PM
Everywhere Nordids and Mediterranids colonise areas the following way: Going along greater and fertile rivers and the flat fertile land, open steppes and grasslands for those which concentrated on pastoralism. They didnt cared for the mountains or deep forests as much, there older strata could survive better and were often better adapted to those more unfavourable areas as well.

Very interesting theory, but according to this, Spain which is a predominantly mountainous region (the second one in altitude average in Europe, only after Switzerland), should be much more Cromagnoid than Mediterranid, and though it is true that the coast line is more Mediterranid, and the interior areas have a higher percentage of Berids and Alpinoids (in relation to the coast), Mediterranids are still majoritary in the whole territory, with perhaps the exception of "La Mancha".

http://centros5.pntic.mec.es/ies.manuela.malasana/alumnos/trabajos_alu/ampliacion/images/mapaespania-f.jpg

http://www.upf.edu/materials/fhuma/portal_geos/spain/t3/img_grans_t3/002.jpg

Agrippa
Sunday, November 26th, 2006, 05:53 PM
Original question of the thread:

Why is Norway less Halstatt and more C.M.?

Why is Sweden more Halstatt and less C.M.?

What you said:

though it is true that the coast line is more Mediterranid, and the interior areas have a higher percentage of Berids and Alpinoids (in relation to the coast),

Well, you answered it yourself, because I didnt meant that in the mountainous areas live no tall leptodolichomorphs (Nordoid-Mediterranoid) and in the flat land only those, but that this is true as a tendency and especially for those areas in which Nordids and Mediterranids immigrated later, in which there was a local substratum which they pushed back - usually in more unfavourable areas of retreat or areas which were naturally protected, both is true for the mountainous regions. If in those areas I meant live more Alpinoid and reduced Cromagnoid variants, it already proves the point.

However, it depends on the subsistence pattern too, because like all hopefully know already, mountainous herders being usually more Dinarised. Thats true for Iberia too if considering the tendencies in the Baskid variant of Atlantomediterranids.

Dinarisation:
http://forums.skadi.net/habitat_dinarisation-t44114.html?

Exemplary case Brittany:
http://forums.skadi.net/anthropology_brittany-t59864.html?

Another case study is Sardinia, with more Berid, archaic Southern Cromagnoid and Alpinoid variants in the interior and unfavourable areas, quite typical Mediterranids along the coast and in the more favourable areas.
Berid type:
http://forums.skadi.net/berid_sub_race-t62988.html?


Iodine and other deficiencies especially in mountainous areas and under poor peasantry and Alpinisation:
http://forums.skadi.net/showpost.php?p=464498&postcount=10

Impact of the "Little Ice Age":
http://forums.skadi.net/impact_little_ice_age_europe-t44948.html?

Baltisation:
http://forums.skadi.net/racial_types_finno_ugrians_baltisation_a nd_eastbaltids-t55890.html?

Comparison of topography:
http://img128.imageshack.us/img128/5929/europegeonp5.th.jpg (http://img128.imageshack.us/my.php?image=europegeonp5.jpg)

with climate:
http://img255.imageshack.us/img255/4435/europeclimatejd6.th.gif (http://img255.imageshack.us/my.php?image=europeclimatejd6.gif)
Possible conclusions if going after my theories if its about ancient centres for: Nordoids and Nordisaction (including the unreduced and meso-dolichocephalic Cromagnids) = blue, red for Mediterranids (including all subtypes), cyan for Baltids and Baltisation-Borealisation, green for Dinaroids and Dinarisation. Especially the Dinaroid areas are open to Alpinisation, it really depends on the subsistence pattern, quality of life and group selective pressures, usually they live side by side with the Dinaroids being rather pastoralists, the Alpinoids peasants and all transitional and mixed forms being present. All mountainous areas which aren't Dinaroid or rather unfavourable areas I didnt marked are open to different trends, again largely depending on subsistence pattern etc. In those areas Alpinisation took quite often place and spread from there, Baltisation spread in a similar pattern out of his primary habitat in the North East.
http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/1905/europegeoracegl1.th.jpg (http://img68.imageshack.us/my.php?image=europegeoracegl1.jpg)

Its not thought to represent the real distribution in detail, but rather showing were the homelands of certain tendencies finally are or at least were, people can migrate and most areas are mixed as we know and this is a rough piece. This is no serious attempt of course, but should show some basic tendencies at least, you can compare with other maps, especially my other climatic-race-comparison map.
http://forums.skadi.net/racial_specialisations_and_climatic_zone s-t60131.html?&

Further read:
Basic racial typology:
http://forums.skadi.net/does_basic_racial_typology_describe_euro pe-t43330.html?

Importance of height and growth patterns, especially if comparing Alpinid and Dinarid traits:
http://forums.skadi.net/importance_height_sub_racial_type-t48678.html?

Oski
Tuesday, November 28th, 2006, 08:44 AM
hmmm reminds me of two bands.

Classify the norwegian viking metal band ENSLAVED.
&
Classify the swedish viking metal band AMON AMARTH.

The classifications might have bearing on this topic.

:thumbup