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Arno
Sunday, September 29th, 2002, 07:05 AM
Can any of the smarter comrades give me any information on Heinrich Himmler?
I am interested if any of his relatives still alive.

Thank you.

Hellstar
Sunday, September 29th, 2002, 06:37 PM
His daughter is still alive, and she is in her 60th......

Arno
Sunday, September 29th, 2002, 08:17 PM
I heard that she was born '29 - that would make her over 70 now.

But maybe I'm wrong. Anyway - glad she still lives.

Where she live?

No one has information on him?

Hellstar
Sunday, September 29th, 2002, 08:19 PM
Yes sorry 60th- 70th almost the same to me, well I have some info somewhere i cant remember where i put it, i also got a recent photo of her.

What do you want to know about Himmler?

Arno
Sunday, September 29th, 2002, 11:34 PM
Originally posted by HELLSTAR
Yes sorry 60th- 70th almost the same to me, well I have some info somewhere i cant remember where i put it, i also got a recent photo of her.

What do you want to know about Himmler?

You have a recent photo of her? Oh, I realy want to see that one! :) Please!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Where did you get it from?

I am interested in his origins and youth and how his career in party started.
I only know about SS-Military and War and nothing about Idelogy (Sp?)

I need book names, so I can read of it.

Hellstar
Monday, September 30th, 2002, 03:06 AM
Unfortunately I cant tell you where I got this picture from,

I imagine you have a lack of Ideology books in German?

Have you read Mein Kampf yet?

Arno
Monday, September 30th, 2002, 02:51 PM
Thank you so much for that picture. It seems a photo. Did you make it?

Dont tell me you know her personaly! :eek: That would be the coolest! :cool

You dont happen to be active in such traditional clubs? Do you have a leading function in such circles?

Ederico
Monday, September 30th, 2002, 08:45 PM
This is a link I found for a biography on Heinrich Himmler. I read it all and I did not find it to be particularly anti-National Socialist, although a more National Socialist friendly biography could be found.

http://www.thirdreich.net/Himmler_Bio.html

I suggest you search for Heinrich Himmler biographies in a search engine, but be prepared to read only one side of the story.

Hellstar
Wednesday, October 2nd, 2002, 04:53 AM
Profile picture of Himmler.

http://www.ww2shots.com/gallery/d/3664-2/Reichsfuehrer-SS+Heinrich+Himmler+shakes+hands+with+ph otographer+Heinrich+Hoffmann+outside+a+c abin+-Rastenburg+1941-ww2shots.jpg

Hellstar
Wednesday, October 2nd, 2002, 04:58 AM
Himmler trying to pass the soldier test in his youth;)

PS: his the one looking so tired on the walk/running picture

Arno
Wednesday, October 2nd, 2002, 06:55 PM
Great picturs! :)

The picture where he is running is from 1936 it said. So he is not in "youth" then.

Hehe - he dont look very SS-mann like - My Granpa was 194 cm tall and had hands like shovel. He was season worker on farm.

I have no picture of him in uniform, becos after war his mother destryo everything becos they afraid of russian and communists and they would find it.

My Grandpa talked to Himmler once, when he was inspecting barracks of SS-Pioneer in Dresden. Grandpa was biggest Man in the room :)

He said Himmler was like respectable and autocratic, but kind and caring teacher.

From wich book you have those pictures? I maybe want to buy it. (if it dos not costs to much).

Hellstar
Wednesday, October 2nd, 2002, 07:10 PM
Wow 194cm big guy:) and especially in those old days where the nutrition was more poor.

Sounds like a big Germanic;)

Ohh well not to be optimistic about it but who cares about the uniforms and ect, its him you respect and not the materialism right:)

These pictures are scanned from some books loser Wehr had,
but this does not lower the quality of the "Pictures and the meaning in them"

Unfortunately my scanner been broke for a over year now, I have some interesting pictures also.


He said Himmler was like respectable and autocratic, but kind and caring teacher.

I think that's a pretty good observation..

and hehe his not that old in the pictures:eek:

So out of curiously tell me: how much are banned in Germany? beside Symbols and propaganda and mein kampf? is this for all books? also Dr Gobbles for example?

Arno
Wednesday, October 2nd, 2002, 08:12 PM
Heil Kamerad!

Yes, Grandpa was very big. I only have picture of him after war, when we had only few food to eat. And he still was very strong looking.
He worked on estate of noble person and always had good farm food to eat. He was child of family with 9 sisters/brothers.

fuck, i wanted to know book. becos pictures look very rare.

We can not get aynthing NS here. In Sachsen where I live, they have special police to hunt Nazis. I was still boy wehn wall fell and we were united.
My father was afraid, becos he was army officer. (He was in communist party and still vote for red now!)

true, some things was better in DDR, but reds still shit. Under red we did not have all the nigger and turk come in our land.

I can not order anything over mail (NS) becos I still live with parents and if father sees what I get, he will destroy it and I will get trouble.

Heil

PS: sorry, my english is very bad. we did not have it in school here and I have to learn it by myself and tutoring.

Seppl
Thursday, October 3rd, 2002, 04:12 AM
Gudrun Himmler (Heinrich's daughter) still lives in Bavaria, she is in about 68 years old. I wrote to her once, as she was friends with the Great NS War Hero General Otto Ernst Remer whom, I was in contact with in the 1980's & up till his death in Spain in 1998.
She goes under a different name, but is NS and knows the "Holocaust" is propaganda.
Himmler also had other children by his two mistresses, at least he contributed some offspring, so he practised what he preached!
One least known fact about him, he learned to speak Russian in the 1920's as he planned to set a farming community in Russia and had many White Russian friends. He was personally not anti-Russian people, but against Jewish Bolshevism. Also, Himmler's wife Marga Boden- Daranowski was of Old Prussian aristocracy which was mainly of Slavic origin!
A lot of Himmler's anti-slavic attitude is mostly propaganda, but he had to follow the Nazi Doctrine of Lebensraum, which unfortunately meant teritorial designs in Eastern Europe,namely Russia.
Servus,:viking

shambler
Tuesday, October 8th, 2002, 12:56 AM
Originally posted by Seppl
Gudrun Himmler (Heinrich's daughter) still lives in Bavaria, she is in about 68 years old. I wrote to her once, as she was friends with the Great NS War Hero General Otto Ernst Remer whom, I was in contact with in the 1980's & up till his death in Spain in 1998.
She goes under a different name, but is NS and knows the "Holocaust" is propaganda.
Himmler also had other children by his two mistresses, at least he contributed some offspring, so he practised what he preached!
One least known fact about him, he learned to speak Russian in the 1920's as he planned to set a farming community in Russia and had many White Russian friends. He was personally not anti-Russian people, but against Jewish Bolshevism. Also, Himmler's wife Marga Boden- Daranowski was of Old Prussian aristocracy which was mainly of Slavic origin!
A lot of Himmler's anti-slavic attitude is mostly propaganda, but he had to follow the Nazi Doctrine of Lebensraum, which unfortunately meant teritorial designs in Eastern Europe,namely Russia.
Servus,:viking

Is the Posen speech 'propaganda'? Note: CODOH is in fact a 'revisionist' site. You can hardly claim Jewish influence over this link.

http://www.codoh.com/incon/inconhh.html

For the SS Man, one principle must apply absolutely: we must be honest, decent, loyal, and comradely to members of our own blood, and to no one else. What happens to the Russians, the Czechs, is totally indifferent to me. Whatever is available to us in good blood of our type, we will take for ourselves, that is, we will steal their children and bring them up with us, if necessary. Whether other races live well or die of hunger is only of interest to me insofar as we need them as slaves for our culture; otherwise that doesn't interest me. Whether 10,000 Russian women fall down <umfallen> from exhaustion in building a tank ditch is of interest to me only insofar as the tank ditches are finished for Germany.

The stuff Himmler says about Italians is even funnier, but since it's not really... oh, I can't resist... x_hehe

The Italian theatre of war

Now for Italy, the other theatre of war! There must be no doubt in our minds that the weakness of this people lies in their blood, in their race. In considering this problem, we must distinguish between that which is comfortable or uncomfortable for us today, and that which will be comfortable or uncomfortable for us in the future. Italy was a weak ally, beginning with Greece and Africa, and ending with Russia. There is, after all, no nation which hasn't thrashed the Italians, from whom the Italians haven't taken a beating. The Italians, we can see this right now, will be considered the most contemptible people in the world; no one, no Albanian, no Montenegrin, no Frenchman, no American, no Englishman, no Russian, no German, will have any respect for them, since they have proven themselves everywhere to be cowards, as soldiers, as men. That is the most contemptible judgement that one can hand down against a people and a race.

Also, you do know Hitler bounced Himmler from the Party, don't you? Thus, at Hitler's death Himmler may have been a National Socialist, but he was no longer an NSDAP member in good standing. I've never heard that the testament is a forgery, although it would be entertaining to read some links if someone somehwhere is claiming that. (Wouldn't surprise me.) Please post 'em. But, English only, since that's all I speak.

http://www.ess.uwe.ac.uk/documents/poltest.htm

Before my death, I expel former Reichs-Marshal Hermann Goring from the party and withdraw from him all the rights that were conferred upon him by the decree of 29 June, 1941 and by my Reichstag statement of 1 September, 1939. In his place I appoint Admiral Donitz as President of the Reich and Supreme Commander of the Armed Forces.

Before my death, I expel the former Reichsfuhrer of the S.S. and the Minister of the Interior Heinrich Himmler from the party and from all his state offices. In his place I appoint Gauleiter Karl Hanke as Reichsfuhrer of the S.S. and Head of the German Police, and Gauleiter Paul Giesler as Minister of the Interior.

Apart altogether from their disloyalty to me, Goring and Himmler have brought irreparable shame on the whole nation by secretly negotiating with my enemy without my knowledge and against my will, and also by attempting illegally to seize control of the State.

"Irepparable shame?" Those naughty, naughty boys. x_rofl I think what they were trying to do was convince the Anglo-American army to ally with the rump of the Wehrmacht and carry the fight against the Soviets.

The Bormann/Goering/Himmler pissing contest ended with Bormann winning, for all the good it did him. The Testament clearly shows the handiwork of Bormann, who hated both Goering and Himmler, and was hated by them in return. To give Goering and Himmler credit, they put on their track shoes and got the hell out of Dodge while they had the chance. Bormann was simply a bootlicking idiot. I'll never understand how you NSers ascribe nobility to people who acted like starving weasels in a sack, but there you have it.

shambler x_p

Seppl
Tuesday, October 8th, 2002, 05:36 AM
The "Posnan" speech is not a reliable source, David Irving does not put much weight on it. What is more important as a historical document & an insight into Himmler's mind is his Diary, which is kept at Yad Vashem, in Israel. No historian neither Pro-Jewish or Revisionist has been allowed to study it!
Why is it so ? Might it contradict a lot of History of the "Holocaust" & SS policy in the East!
Servus,x_nono

shambler
Tuesday, October 8th, 2002, 12:14 PM
Originally posted by Seppl
The "Posnan" speech is not a reliable source, David Irving does not put much weight on it.

That's not quite what he says here:

http://www.ihr.org/books/kulaszka/35irving.html

He seems to be saying the speech was repaginated in pencil, and that there was a different type face used on different parts of the speech. He also said he never bothered listening to the audio of the speech, which apparently was taped. A very strange attitude, if he considered it a forgery.

The link, unfortunately, discusses only the Jewish question, and doesn't get into Russian or Italian racial characteristics. FWIW, what I quoted is mentioned early in the speech, before the controversial Jewish quotes occur. It's unclear WHICH part of the speech Irving considers suspect, but it's probably the part with the Jewish references, I'd think.

http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/himmler-heinrich/posen/oct-04-43/ausrottung-transc-nizkor.html

Not speaking German the above is useless to me, but this pro-Holocaust site claims to have some audio outtakes of the speech. (I think it's largely funded by Jews, although last I knew the executive director wasn't one.)

http://www.zundelsite.org/english/harwood/Didsix09.html

I consider zundelsite to be absolute garbage, but if you're willing to wade through the muck, they claim Irving has doubts about only the Jewish passages, not the rest of the speech. (I have much more respect for the IHR and CODOH on the revisionist side of things.)

Beyond Irving, most historians do accept it's accuracy. I think Irving has gotten something of a raw deal, but I disagree with him on the Posen speech.


Originally posted by Seppl
What is more important as a historical document & an insight into Himmler's mind is his Diary, which is kept at Yad Vashem, in Israel. No historian neither Pro-Jewish or Revisionist has been allowed to study it!
Why is it so ? Might it contradict a lot of History of the "Holocaust" & SS policy in the East!
Servus,x_nono [/B]

Maybe, maybe not. I have nothing in particular against Jews as individuals (neither, for that matter, does David Irving), but I do believe Israel as a nation has played some games over time. One can only hope they will be released at some point.

Personally, I've never been able to work up much enthusiasm one way or the other over the Holocaust. I accept Gerald Fleming's 4.975 million figure for Jews, and will call it another 4 million for non-Jews (Gypsies, homosexuals, etc.) But I hardly view the event as anything unique through history. The British starved to death 10 to 20 million Indians(1911-21), allowed Ireland to be a next exporter of food during the Great Famine, Stalin offed 10s of millions, the Turks exterminated the Armenians, and on and on it goes. It just doesn't really interest me much. It wasn't nice behavior, but there's been a lot of that through history.

It interests me a heck of a lot more that Himmler and Goering got tossed on their asses out of the NSDAP, and had ALL their positions stripped from them. No comments on that?

shambler x_p