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Wednesday, February 11th, 2004, 09:51 PM

Mehdy Kavousi, an asylum seeker from Iraq with his Dutch wife Marjon, protested against his deportation order by sewing his eyes and mouth shut.

Dutch order expulsion of 26,000 migrants
By Anthony Browne, Europe Correspondent

THE Netherlands is to force 26,000 failed asylum-seekers to return to their countries of origin over the next three years in one of the biggest mass deportations in modern European history.

The deportation order, amounting to one in 600 of the population, applies to almost all failed asylum- seekers who arrived before the Dutch introduced a new asylum regime in April 2001.

Most of those affected are from Iraq, Afghanistan and Somalia. Some have been in the Netherlands for 11 years, speak Dutch, have integrated into society and have children settled in schools.

However, the plan does include an amnesty for a further 2,300 failed asylum-seekers who fell into a legal loophole.

The mass deportation, which has public support in what was once one of the most liberal countries in Europe, is seen as the legacy of the anti-immigration politician Pim Fortuyn, who campaigned for a halt to all non-European immigration. His assassination by an animal rights activist in 2002 caused a political storm that saw his thinking enter the mainstream.

The deportation order was proposed a month ago by Rita Verdonk, the Immigration Minister, and passed into law by the Dutch parliament on Monday after a bitter debate.

More than 2,000 protesters demonstrated outside parliament, including many children and one asylum-seeker, Mehdy Kavousi, who had sewn his eyes and mouth shut. One banner said: “Five years tolerance is acceptance.” Another said: “Verdonk go home.”

Some protesters entered the parliament’s gallery and unveiled a banner comparing the policy to the Holocaust deportations during the Second World War — a highly sensitive issue for the Dutch.

Ms Verdonk took offence at the comparison, saying: “We have careful procedures in the Netherlands. This cannot be compared with Jews, who were put on a train to the gas chamber.”

The plan has been bitterly opposed by refugee groups, church groups and opposition parties. “Everywhere in the country we see people that are standing by their immigrants who have grown to become our family and friends,” the opposition Labour Party said in a statement.

Brigitte van den Berg, for the Dutch Refugee Council, said: “It is inhumane, and it is the Government’s responsibility. After their asylum request was rejected, they were allowed to stay, given housing and benefits and their children went to school. By giving them money and a home for so many years, the Government was giving them the hope they could stay.”

The first 3,000 deportations will take place before the summer, with the rest following over the next three years. The Dutch Council of Churches has predicted widespread unrest. “It will not be easy to deport people. There is a lot of resistance among their neighbours, in communities, in schools and in town halls,” Ineke Bakker, the council’s secretary-general, said.

Under the scheme, failed asylum-seekers will be offered air tickets and a lump sum to encourage them to return to their country of origin. If they do not take up the offer, a task force of immigration officers and social workers will work with them for eight weeks to see if they have any problems with going home that can be solved.

If they still refuse to go, they will be forced to attend a removal centre, where more attempts will be made to encourage them to leave. If, after this, they still will not return home, they will be sent to a prison for illegal immigrants for six months, the maximum allowed by human rights judges. This measure is aimed largely at people who refuse to reveal their nationality, making it impossible for the authorities to deport them.

After six months in prison, the illegal immigrants will be released, but will not be allowed housing, benefits or healthcare.

The move is the latest measure introduced to curb legal and illegal immigration. A fast-track asylum system was introduced to deport obviously false cases quickly.

In order to stop arranged marriages getting around controls, citizens can now bring a spouse into the country only if they are 24 or older. All residents applying for citizenship and those claiming welfare benefits must now be able to speak Dutch and have a knowledge of Dutch culture.

Last week the Government proposed applying this “integration test” to people before they are given permission to move to the Netherlands. Any non-EU nationals would have to pass a language and culture test before they were let in.


The population of the Netherlands is 16.3 million

7,466 foreigners claimed asylum there in the first half of 2003, and 18,667 in 2002. Seven other European Union countries received more applications, with Britain receiving the most — 109,548 applicants in 2002

The number of foreigners seeking asylum in the Netherlands has dropped dramatically in recent years. Applications peaked at 45,217 in 1998 and were still above 40,000 in 2000

More than a third of asylum requests in 2003 came from Iraqis. In 2002, the largest groups of applicants came from Angola, Sierra Leone and Afghanistan

The Netherlands made 70,290 decisions on asylum in 2002. Around 10 per cent of applicants were accepted for a limited period, while 746 people received open-ended asylum

Wednesday, February 11th, 2004, 10:23 PM
These immigrant leeches want to take and take, and have nothing to give. Immigration should be a privelege, not a right.

These immigrants want to take and take the rights, standard of living, jobs, and everything else that goes along with living in a fine First World (European) country, but want to give nothing in return.

They should be scrutinized before they are admitted, and not only that - they should be required to contribute something in return for being allowed to enter, as a token of gratitude. Public service or something like this would be in order. And they should be forced to meet cultural requirements - if they really want to leave their country behind, they should not also expect to take the rotten cultural practices that they are fleeing with them, and import them into a nice country. The women should leave their burkas back in Iraq - or else go back to the countries they came from, if they cherish their traditions so much.

Wednesday, February 11th, 2004, 10:31 PM
They should be scrutinized before they are admitted, and not only that - they should be required to contribute something in return for being allowed to enter, as a token of gratitude.

Better even, they should not be admitted at all. Europe is for the Europeans.

Wednesday, February 11th, 2004, 10:41 PM
Better even, they should not be admitted at all. Europe is for the Europeans.
What, you mean you wouldn't let me in if I came knocking on your door? :-O

-rusalka, who is technically not a European by citizenship.


Wednesday, February 11th, 2004, 10:46 PM
What, you mean you wouldn't let me in if I came knocking on your door? :-O

-rusalka, who is technically not a European by citizenship.


You are a lovely exception to the rule... ;) :D

Thursday, February 12th, 2004, 01:55 AM
"Most of those affected are from Iraq, Afghanistan and Somalia. Some have been in the Netherlands for 11 years, speak Dutch, have integrated into society and have children settled in schools."

After reading that I was really expecting an unbiased report. :eyes

"The plan has been bitterly opposed by refugee groups, church groups and opposition parties. “Everywhere in the country we see people that are standing by their immigrants who have grown to become our family and friends,” the opposition Labour Party said in a statement."

Sounds like their talking about their lil' pets.

The Netherlands has enough people and there's hardly anywhere on Earth that can supply immigrants to the Netherlands that won't bring down the quality of the inhabitants.

Saturday, February 14th, 2004, 04:29 PM

February 14, 2004

Is it the end of the Dutch liberal experiment?
By Anthony Browne
The Netherlands has seen a shift in attitudes, with multiculturalism blamed for a host of ills

EVERY morning Talin, an Iranian, waits for the letter she had hoped never to see. A doctor with a husband and a six-month-old baby, she has lived in Rotterdam for seven years with her parents and grandmother. But this week the Dutch Government passed a law ordering 26,000 failed asylum-seekers, herself among them, to return home, no excuses accepted.
“I can’t sleep. They say I must go back to our country, but it is not possible because we are political refugees,” she said in a quiet, desperate voice. “The Government admitted it cannot guarantee my life if I go back. I just don’t know what I can do.”

She and her husband fled Iran in 1997, but they will have just eight weeks to leave, from the time the letter arrives, or they will be sent to a camp from which they will be forcibly deported.

Her friend, Farideh, who arrived from Iran in 1996 with four young children, is also about to be sent back, even though her children are now more Dutch than Iranian. “I am really worried for my children,” she said. “They grew up with freedom of thought and speech. They could not go back to Iran, they would be arrested for having bad thoughts.”

Just across the street from their place of employment, where they help other immigrants to integrate into Dutch society, is the former home of Pim Fortuyn, the anti-immigration campaigner whose murder two years ago by a left-wing activist sparked the political upheaval that is about to ruin their lives. “I can’t understand. How can you do this to a human being? It is not democracy,” said Talin.

Unfortunately for her, however, it is. Despite a storm of protests, the law was approved by Parliament and is backed by most Dutch people.

Outside Fortuyn’s house stands a life-sized statue of him, surrounded by fresh floral tributes. In two short years, Europe’s traditional home of liberalism has turned itself into a cauldron of conservatism. The murder of Fortuyn, who declared that the Netherlands was full and that Islam was a backward religion, broke the taboo on speaking out against immigration and a host of other social issues. As liberal pieties crumbled, the Netherlands has been forging ahead with a new right-wing agenda.

It now has the toughest immigration laws in Europe, and has been adopting powerful law-and-order policies. A compulsory ID card is being introduced for everyone over the age of 12. Cannabis cafés are being closed by the hundreds. Prostitutes are being cleared off the streets, the generous benefits system severely curtailed, and even free contraception has been abolished for everyone except teenagers. Longer sentences mean prisons are so full that for the first time inmates are being forced to share cells.

Such is the seismic shift in the political landscape that even left-wing politicians often support “the new politics”. When a government commission declared last month that multiculturalism in the Netherlands had been a failure despite some successes, it was condemned from Left and Right for being too positive.

Peter van Heemst, a socialist MP from Rotterdam, said: “People are fed up with crime, fed up with the influx of immigrants. The pendulum is swinging completely to the other side of the spectrum, but that’s the result of ignoring people’s concerns for so long.”

Michiel van Hulten, a Labour MEP, said: “There is a reactionary movement sweeping the country. There is a growing feeling that the permissive society of the 1970s and 1980s got out of control. There is a feeling that society got the balance wrong between rights and responsibilities.” Rotterdam, where nearly half the population are impoverished ethnic minorities, is at the forefront of the political shift.

The Leefbar Rotterdam party, of which Fortuyn was a member, controls the city council. Surrounded by pictures of the murdered populist in his office in the grandiose Gothic town hall, the party leader, Ronald Sorensen, the grandson of Norwegian immigrants, said: “The only thing that Pim Fortuyn did was produce an intellectual argument for what everyone was thinking.

“We are trying to be more honest. Before people just turned a blind eye, but not any more. It is the death of political correctness.”

The change hits you when you arrive at Centraal Station in Rotterdam. It used to throng with drunks, beggars and drug dealers. “People stopped using the trains because it was a jungle,” van Heemst said. Now, Centraal Station is almost Swiss in its cleanliness and safety. Police officers wander around, moving people on if they are loitering suspiciously. Pick-pocketing is down 70 per cent, boasts Huub Veeneman, a police official. “A tourist came back after a few years and asked us what had happened, it had changed so much.”

Young men causing a nuisance on mopeds now get their mopeds confiscated if convicted of two offences. Judges are handing out six years in prison where they used to give two. Police are going through neighbourhood after neighbourhood sweeping prostitutes and drug dealers off the streets. People with large houses and expensive cars must now prove that their money came from legitimate sources.

“We always used to protect the villains. Now it is victims first,” Mr Sorenson said.

Rotterdam’s zero tolerance policies are being copied across The Netherlands. Anyone causing trouble is automatically ejected from cinemas, swimming pools and buses. In Amsterdam, the number of cannabis cafés is down from 2,000 to 700.

Arjan Roskam, the leader of the Union of Cannabis Retailers, said: “Each coffee shop gets raided by police a lot, looking for any evidence to close you down. If any hard drugs are found, you are closed down instantly.”

But it is in the area of immigration and integration that the Netherlands - and Rotterdam in particular - are generating most of the controversy arises. Welfare recipients, however long they have been in the country, will now have their benefits cut if they do not learn Dutch. New immigrants have to learn Dutch within a year of arriving, and the Government is planning to demand that any non-EU immigrants learn Dutch before being allowed to enter.

Asylum-seekers receive an initial screening, and no- hopers are deported within 48 hours. To curb Islamic arranged marriages, Dutch residents under 24 are no longer allowed to bring spouses into the country.

Rotterdam recently declared that it would accept no new asylum-seekers for five years, and that only people on good incomes could move to the city. The council is demolishing social housing for people on benefits and building executive flats in their place. “We have too much poverty and high unemployment. We want a five-year break so we can solve housing problems. If there are smaller communities of immigrants they will have to mingle with the Dutch more,” Mr Sorenson said.

In the Grote Visserijstraat Market, where most customers are members of ethnic minorities, a Dutch cheese seller called Bob welcomed the new policies. “It’s good not to have too many foreigners now. There are so many of them. When there are a lot of them, you can’t integrate people.”

Pieter, a young Dutch vegetable seller, said: “This used to be a rich country with no social problems and no crime. Now, because of the socialism, it has become full of social, ethnic and political problems.”

But Mustafa, a Turk who came to the Netherlands aged three and now runs a clothes stall, said: “It is good for the Dutch, but not good for the immigrants. What will happen in ten years? Where will it stop? Will they say next year they don’t want any black people?” For many, the expulsion of 26,000 failed asylum-seekers, many of them well settled, is a step too far. Eric Dykhuyzen, director of Bureau Mederlands, where Talin and Farideh work, is deeply alarmed at the direction his country has taken. “What the Government wants is integration, but what they are doing means integration is stopped. The communities are growing apart from each other. The Islamic communities don’t feel welcome any more and are becoming defensive, but also aggressive.”

Mr van Heemst recognises the need for change, but worries about where it will end. “A silent revolution is going on. All types of authority are taking back responsibility for problems. It has been neglected for 25 years; it will take 15 years to get it back again. There is a big change going on, but it is very uncertain what the outcome will be.”

Saturday, February 14th, 2004, 05:06 PM
We are reaching dangerous population increases all over the world. It is tragic whenever innocent people must suffer for mistakes of others, but in order to maintain a right of passage for natives of a country and keep it safe from others whos mouths it must feed and backs it must clothe sometimes hard decisions must be made. Democracy does not come cheap, and it is not free. Mabey with hard work and steadfast determination these people can contribute positivly to the many changes going on in their native lands.

Saturday, February 14th, 2004, 06:02 PM
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Saturday, February 14th, 2004, 07:56 PM
Nederland Ontwaak!!

Sunday, February 15th, 2004, 12:21 AM
I was delighted when I heard this! According to a recent poll, about 61% of the Dutch support the deportations :) There is still hope, it seems.
Leve Nederland!

Mac Seafraidh
Sunday, February 15th, 2004, 08:20 AM
NEDERLANDER SIEG !!! Too bad America is the "good guys" so that is not possible here plus with Bush a definate no. I am disappointed in Gen-X America. I think with the US being a world power and aiding countries left and right will hurt us eventually.

Sunday, February 15th, 2004, 11:42 AM

February 15, 2004

Dutch asylum outcasts may head for UK
Justin Sparks, Rotterdam

THOUSANDS of failed asylum seekers facing expulsion from Holland may head for Britain, Dutch officials admitted this weekend.

The Dutch government is planning to force out 26,000 unwanted immigrants in a mass deportation that could take several years.

They will include Dutch-speaking children who have been brought up in Holland and HIV sufferers who claim they cannot return home to countries such as Afghanistan, Iraq and Somalia because they need western medicine to survive.

The right-wing government of Jan Peter Balkenende confirmed that most of those ordered to leave were likely to seek sanctuary elsewhere in western Europe.

“Our research has shown that only about 4% of rejected asylum seekers stay in Holland,” said Maud Bredero, a spokesman for the government. Its tough line was inspired by Pim Fortuyn, the populist politician and anti-immigration campaigner who was assassinated in 2002.

“We’re not sure where they go, but if they choose to join the ranks of illegal aliens then of course we can’t rule out the possibility that some may go to Britain or other EU countries,” Bredero said.

Dutch social workers agreed that Britain’s thriving black market made it the preferred destination of many. For Jannine, 20, who fled to Holland from a civil war in Sierra Leone, the National Health Service could also represent her best chance of survival. After six months in a Dutch asylum centre she learnt that she was infected with HIV. Drug treatment has so far kept the virus in check.

“If they send me back then I will die,” said Jannine, who declined to give her surname. “I’ve seen terrible things and I only want to live and be safe — and I only know I can’t stay here and I can’t go home.”

Abdullah Ahmadzy, 40, who left Afghanistan when it was ruled by the Taliban, claims to have been tortured. “The Taliban may have trimmed their beards, but there are still plenty of people in power who want me dead,” he said. “If the Dutch try to send me back then I will have no option but to flee to Britain or another European Union country and live there illegally.”

Others such as Muhammad Lazeze, 32, an Algerian who arrived in Holland 10 years ago and has since become a sports teacher of disabled children, are determined to oppose their expulsion. “I am going to stay here and fight this policy all the way like a Dutchman with justice on my side,” he said.

Experts say it is difficult to determine precisely how many asylum seekers will come to Britain. However, they believe that as well as many of the 26,000 rejected asylum seekers, the influx could include a significant number from a further 160,000 illegal immigrants worried about being caught in the Dutch clampdown.

Connie van den Broek, a former Catholic pastor who runs a refugee shelter in Rotterdam, said Somalis were already smuggling people into Britain, where they have an extensive network of compatriots.

“The government is trying to drive illegal immigrants out of the country by making life here as difficult for them as possible,” said van den Broek. “The new anti-immigrant attitude among the Dutch public is also making Holland a less attractive place to stay.”

Refugees given notice of expulsion will be offered advice and financial incentives to co-operate, including free passage home. Those who reject help from the authorities will have their benefits cut and face imprisonment if they do not leave the country within 24 hours of being ordered to do so.

Police raids have increased sharply in the last two years, and televised deportations that once prompted protests from the traditionally liberal Dutch are now widely applauded.

The crackdown on immigration is part of a growing shift of sentiment in a country that used to pride itself on being among the most tolerant in Europe.

In the 1980s the Dutch government built mosques and the country was considered a model of multiculturalism. Now foreign brides who plan to marry Dutchmen must pass citizenship and language examinations before they are allowed to enter the country. Imams are subjected to the same procedures and a religious academy has been set up in Utrecht to teach them Dutch ways.

Some of the policies go further than the demands made by Fortuyn, who tempered his demands for tougher restrictions on new arrivals seeking asylum by calling for Dutch passports to be given to those already in the country.

The Balkenende government is to issue just 2,400 passports to asylum seekers who have settled in Holland, while the immigration system screens and rejects 70% of new asylum seekers within 48 hours.

The Dutch government also decided last week to limit to 22,000 the number of workers it will allow in from countries joining the EU in May.

The moves coincide with signs of disarray in the British government over Tony Blair’s move to restrict the rights of people from new member states to work and claim benefits.

Loki's comment: Let them come to Britain - the sooner people get completely fed up here, the better - and the sooner the BNP comes to power the better. Let them come, rape our daughters and slaughter our old people and live off our tax money until most of us are bankrupt. Only then, it seems, will people in this country wake up to reality. Rather this than a smooth transition to a brown mongrel England.