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Euclides
Wednesday, February 11th, 2004, 01:56 PM
The Nazi Base in Antarctica
(http://www.think-aboutit.com/Omega/files/omega2.htm)
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/nemox.html (http://forums.skadi.net/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cybe rspaceorbit.com%2Fnemox.html)

http://www.hohle-erde.de/body_neuschwabenland.html (http://forums.skadi.net/redirector.php?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.hohl e-erde.de%2Fbody_neuschwabenland.html)

Dr. Solar Wolff
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 06:22 AM
Now we are really talking. Who says its lost? Some say still operating. Wilhelm Landig in his novel (voller Wirklichkeiten) says Neuschwabenland was abandon circa 1959-1960 because in the pure air of Anatarctica, no germs were present and the people there lacked natural immunity so that with every new arrival, a near epidemic would occur if only the common cold. Also, circa 1960, it is said that the Reichsdeutschen there were party to a treaty, although unsigned by them, relinquishing the Antarctic Continent to non-nationalistic designes. Recently a writer at www.unglaublichenkeiten.org says that recent seismic activity there points to a continued Reichdeutschen presence (I can go into this in detail if anyone is interested). Unfortunately, most of the literature concerning Neuschwabenland is "auf deutsch" so discussion in the English speaking world is restricted.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Thursday, April 22nd, 2004, 06:24 AM
Afterthought: Is anybody interested in Reichdeutsche Flugscheiben?

Annikaspapa
Sunday, May 2nd, 2004, 04:50 PM
Recently a writer at www.unglaublichenkeiten.org says that recent seismic activity there points to a continued Reichdeutschen presence (I can go into this in detail if anyone is interested).

Hey Doc - there seems to be a problem with the link you provided. Could you see if you could correct it? I'm certainly interested in this subject.:)

Danke im voraus...

AngryPotato
Sunday, May 2nd, 2004, 05:13 PM
Is there truth to what one of the pages is saying? That there were 100 unaccounted for U-boats after the end of WW2. Interesting reads.

ogenoct
Monday, May 3rd, 2004, 02:03 AM
Afterthought: Is anybody interested in Reichdeutsche Flugscheiben?
I am! Very much so...

Constantin

ogenoct
Monday, May 3rd, 2004, 02:44 AM
Hey Doc - there seems to be a problem with the link you provided. Could you see if you could correct it? I'm certainly interested in this subject.:)

Danke im voraus...
the correct link is http://www.unglaublichkeiten.com

cosmocreator
Monday, May 3rd, 2004, 06:34 AM
I don't believe this stuff. I would have to see it with my own eyes.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Monday, May 3rd, 2004, 07:23 AM
Thanks for the correction Ogenoct.

The basic idea behind Neuschwabenland is not radical. 1938-39 the German ship Swabenland sailed to Antarctica at the direction and funding of Hermann Goering (Air Force not Navy). A flying boat aboard the Schwabenland was sent to explore the hinterland. They found a rift valley with year-round ponds called the Schumacher Ponds. They were heated geothermally. Each pond had a different type of algea in its water and each pond was a different color. From this information, the Germans deduced that thermal vents could be found and perhaps a year-round habitation built.

Two references which might be available are: O. Bergmann, Deutsche Flugscheiben und U-Boote Ueberwachen Die Weltmeere (volumes 1 and 2) and two books in English by Col Howard A. Buechner and Capt. Wilhelm Bernhart titled Adolf Hiterl and the Secrets of the Holy Lance and Hitler's Ashes.

Bergmann describes the story of the founding of Newschwabenland but he also goes on to say that during the war years, a series of voyages were made to Neuschwabenland to construct a base there. He lists names of sailors who participated and two sailors who describe events. Bergmann also describes some fantasitc U-boat engines and evidence for German saucers.

Buechner and Bernhart are a strange pair. Buechner is a medical doctor and was the first American doctor to enter Buchenwald concentration camp. "Bernhart" is an alias. "Bernhart" was a junior officer aboard U-530. This U-boat surrendered in July, 1945 (the war ended May 8th, 1945) at Mar del Platta, Argentina. Bernhart says that U-530, U-997 and others carried on a kind of "trade-route" during the war between Germany, Neuschwabenland, and Mar del Platta. Hundreds of trips were involved. At the close of the war, blueprints, scientists, machine tools, money, etc. were transported from Germany and Spain to Neuschwabenland and Mar del Platta. The route became so routine there was a poem about it according to Bernhart:


Oh! Choosers of the Slain,
Said he, Maidens of Vallhalla,
Bury me beyond the Sea,
In a place called mar del Plata

Besides setting up secure areas in Antarctica, secure areas were also set up in the Canadian Arctic (Landig's Point 101), on the Argentine/Chilean border in the "Alps" called Colonia Dignidad (exact location upon request) and in Eastern Greenland at what the Germans called Biber Damm (Beaver Dam). Beaver Dam was said to have been accessed via U-boat through underwater tunnels. This is also said of the base at Neuschwabenland. In fact, this type of entrance was built and can still be seen at the German base on the island of Fuerteventura (Canary Islands). This base was built inside the island in a glass volcanic bubble. Over it was a villa owned by the German family whose last name was Winter. The Kriegsmarine wanted Fuerteventura as a U-boat base and the Luftwaffe wanted a missile test facility. Three tunnels connected the bubble to the sea for U-boats. This base was explored in modern times by Austrian and Spanish explorers. They found to old U-boats in the "bubble". Maps and logs on-board indicate they had been in use until the 1950s, transporting SS men to South America---with the knowledge of the US government! Remember Raiders From the Lost Ark and the episode of the U-boat base? Is it similar? This is where Spielberg got the idea. Beaver Dam remained a secret joint Nazi-NATO base until well after the war by some accounts. Neuschwabenland functioned with the aid of the South American base until about 1959-1960. Colonia Dignidad was visited by a Japanese film crew in the 1970s but may still function. I have references for most of this but they are certainly not on the internet.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Monday, May 3rd, 2004, 07:29 AM
Is there truth to what one of the pages is saying? That there were 100 unaccounted for U-boats after the end of WW2. Interesting reads.

This is mentioned in O. Bergmann's books but the basis is Bodo Herzog's Deutsche U-Boote 1906-1966 (which I own). It is true, there are many U-boats which remain unaccounted for. One problem is that the Germans renamed new U-boats with old designations to fool Allied Intelligence. Also, "sunk" U-boat were sometimes salvaged.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Monday, May 3rd, 2004, 07:34 AM
I don't believe this stuff. I would have to see it with my own eyes.

You can't believe everything on "Unglaublichkeiten", that is why they call it Unglaublichkeiten. Christian Saal did an excellent article about a year ago on the Iraq War and alleged testing of bunker-buster bombs in Antarctica, on what he says is the ongoing German base there. He has great seismographic evidence for this.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Monday, May 3rd, 2004, 07:36 AM
I am! Very much so...

Constantin

Rather than drone on and on about this, tell me what you know now and what you are interested in. I have plenty of references in English and German.

ogenoct
Monday, May 3rd, 2004, 09:09 AM
Rather than drone on and on about this, tell me what you know now and what you are interested in. I have plenty of references in English and German.
I have to admit that I am quite new to this topic. I only know what I have read on the unglaublichkeiten-site. References in both English or German would be greatly appreciated.

Constantin

Annikaspapa
Monday, May 3rd, 2004, 08:33 PM
...on the Argentine/Chilean border in the "Alps" called Colonia Dignidad (exact location upon request) ... Colonia Dignidad was visited by a Japanese film crew in the 1970s but may still function...
Some info on Colonia Dignidad:

First, from our antifa "friends" at IDGR –

Colonia Dignidad
Derzeitige Bezeichnung: Villa Bavier

Die Sekte hatte sich 1956 auf Betreiben von Paul Schäfer (Jahrgang 1921) vom "Bund evangelisch-freikirchlicher Gemeinden in Deutschland" abgespaltet. Unter dem Namen "Private Sociale Mission" gründete Schäfer in Siegburg ein Erziehungsheim, in dem die Kinder der Mitglieder der Sekte untergebracht waren. Nachdem die Staatsanwaltschaft Ermittlungen gegen Paul Schäfer wegen des Vorwurfs des sexuellen Missbrauchs der von ihm abhängigen Kinder aufnahm, floh ein Teil der Sekte im Januar 1961 nach Chile. Bei der Wahl des Zufluchtsortes waren der damalige chilenische Botschafter Arturo Masche und der Botschaftsangestellte Guillermo Osoiro behilflich, beide ausgemachte Rechtsextremisten. Die Kolonie auf chilenischem Boden wurde als Kopie des Führerstaates konzipiert. Sie liegt in der Nähe der Kleinstadt Parral, mehr als 200 Kilometer südlich der chilenischen Hauptstadt Santiago. Das Areal hat die Größe des Saarlandes und ist mehrfach von Stacheldrahtzäunen gesichert. Offiziell nennt sich die Sekte "Vereinigung für Wohltätigkeit und Erziehung ("Sociedad Benefactora Y Educional") und will sich angeblich um bedürftige chilenische Kinder kümmern.

Nach dem Militärputsch von 1973 entwickelte sich die "Kolonie der Würde" unter Pinochet zu einem Folter- und Arbeitslager des ehemaligen chilenischen Geheimdienstes DINA. Die Colonia Dignidad war der Ort, an dem die Abteilung der DINA, die für die spurenlose Ermordung politischer Gefangener zuständig war, die meisten Menschen "verschwinden" ließ. Sie war zudem ein Arbeitslager für "verschwundene" politische Gefangene. Das Arbeitslager Monte Maravilla, in dem bis zu 100 Gefangene inhaftiert waren, führte die "Colonia Dignidad" zusammen mit chilenischen Streitkräften. Sie war die Folterschule der DINA und bildete "Verhörspezialisten" aus. Sie war ein Zentrum der Auslandsspionage der DINA. Sie war einer von fünf geheimen chilenischen Militärstützpunkten, die nach dem chilenischen Militärputsch mit Hilfe des deutschen Obersts Hans-Ulrich Rudel eingerichtet worden waren, um einen militärischen Gegenschlag gegen Argentinien führen zu können. Rudel, ein aktiver Neonazi, den Hitler hoch geschätzt hat, war persönlich in der Colonia Dignidad. Damals wurde die Siedlung mit unterirdischen Bunkern, Kommandozentralen, einem umfassenden geheimen Warn- und Überwachungssystem und einem unterirdischen Flugplatz ausgestattet. Das Stützpunktsystem gehörte zu einem "Projekt Andrea", in dessen Rahmen in großen Mengen Giftgas eingesetzt werden sollte. Die damalige Ehefrau eines beteiligten Agenten schrieb, das Gas sei zuerst an politischen Gefangenen ausprobiert worden. Offenbar war die Colonia Dignidad am Schmuggel von Komponenten für das Gas beteiligt. Die Colonia Dignidad war Anlaufstelle und Zufluchtort für NS-Verbrecher und für rechte Terroristen. Sie war ein Schmuggelzentrum für Waffen und andere Güter. Sie war in Geldwäsche verwickelt. Die Colonia Dignidad war jahrelang ein politisches Scharnier zwischen der CSU, dem Freistaat Bayern, der Hanns-Seidel-Stiftung und der Pinochet-Diktatur.
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Kontakte bestanden zu Rechtsextremisten wie Hugo Roggendorf, einem SS-Mann, der sich nach 1945 in Concepcion als Bäcker niedergelassen hatte, dem dubiosen Geschäftsmann und Geheimdienstler Hans Albrecht Loeper, zu Anhängern der Thule-Mythologie wie dem esoterischen Nazi Juan Maler (alias Reinhard Kopps), dem Waffenhändler Gerhard Mertins, während des 2. Weltkriegs Fallschirmjäger, späterer Sympathisant der neonationalsozialistischen Sozialistischen Reichspartei (SRP), dann der CDU. Ebenfalls bekannt wurden Kontakte des Soziologieprofessors Lothar Bossle und des Völkerrechtlers Dieter Blumenwitz zur "Colonia Dignidad". 1997 lobte der Neonazi-Scharfmacher "Schinderhannes" alias Hans-Josef Mack im Thule-Netz die "Colonia Dignidad" in höchsten Tönen. Das Leben dort sei "ein Traum, zumindest, was die menschliche, deutsche Seite betrifft! Land und Leute ... muss man natürlich mögen".

Die Strafverfahren, die Schäfers Opfer nach erfolgreicher Flucht gegen ihn wegen sexuellem Missbrauch und Freiheitsentziehung eingeleitet haben, sind zwischenzeitlich allesamt verjährt. Den chilenischen Behörden wurde vorgeworfen, die gerichtlich angeordneten Durchsuchungen des Sektengeländes nicht sonderlich effizient durchgeführt zu haben, weshalb man Schäfer nicht habhaft werden konnte. Wie dpa im Januar 2000 meldete, haben 15 Folter-Opfer der Colonia Dignidad Strafanzeige gegen Ex-Diktator Augusto Pinochet gestellt. Die 15 Betroffenen schrieben in einer Erklärung, ihre Anzeigen richteten sich gegen Pinochet, aber auch "gegen den chilenischen Staat und gegen die Verantwortlichen einschließlich der deutschen Regierung". Ermittlungsrichter Juan Guzmán eröffnete damit das 57. Ermittlungsverfahren gegen Pinochet wegen Verbrechen unter der Militärdiktatur zwischen 1973 und 1989. Paul Schäfer ist seit 1996 untergetaucht. Nach Schäfers Flucht leitet sein ehemaliger Stellvertreter und Sicherheitschef Gerhard Mücke die Kolonie. Mücke wurde im September 2000 festgenommen. Er soll an politisch motivierten Morden auf dem Gelände der Sekte beteiligt gewesen sein. Im Dezember 2001 wird bekannt, dass Mücke nun aus Chile ausgewiesen werden soll. Das Berufungsgericht in Santiago de Chile wies einen Einspruch Mückes gegen ein entsprechendes Urteil aus dem Jahr zuvor zurück. Auch Mücke steht in Verdacht, während der Pinochet-Diktatur an Repressionen gegen Oppositionelle beteiligt gewesen zu sein. Er hat nun eine letzte Berufungsmöglichkeit vor dem Obersten Gerichtshof von Chile.

Mitglieder der "Colonia Dignidad" sind auch an dem seit langem geplanten NS-Kongress in Chile beteiligt, der im Januar 2000 trotz internationaler Proteste von der Öffentlichkeit unbemerkt stattfinden konnte. Auch sind die in konspirativen Zellen operierenden Vorbereitungsgruppen des Kongresses in vielen Fällen gleichzeitig Mitglieder der Freundeskreise der "Colonia Dignidad".

Gegenwärtig scheint sich die Colonia Dignidad ohne öffentliche Skandale vom Folterlager einer Psychosekte zu einer normalen Agrarkooperative umzuwandeln. Es gibt eine stillschweigende Übereinkunft zwischen der chilenischen Regierung, den Streitkräften und der Colonia Dignidad, bei der der Arzt Hartmut Hopp, vormals Stellvertreter von Schäfer, Mittelsmann seitens der Siedlung war. Sie besagt, dass die Colonia Dignidad demokratisiert wird, Schäfer aus der Siedlung zu verschwinden hat und die Siedlungsbewohner freien Zugang zu Informationen haben. Die strikte Geschlechtertrennung ist für einige Bewohner aufgehoben. Schäfer befindet sich, falls er noch lebt, außerhalb des Geländes. Der Radiosender und der Flughafen der Colonia Dignidad, die auch als Infrastruktur der Spionage und des Waffenhandels benutzt worden waren, sind deaktiviert. Die technische Zusammenarbeit mit den Streitkräften ist eingestellt.



Another article (as always - consider the source) –
Rich commune exists in shadow of dark roots

Knight Ridder Tribune News Service/April 23, 2003
By Kevin G. Hall

Colonia Dignidad, Chile -- The rows of corn grow tall and straight at Colonia Dignidad, one of the world's richest communes. Its timber products, baked goods and sausage, renowned for their quality, are sold nationwide. Its 65-bed hospital provides the region's best health care. One of the commune's elderly German hausfraus seems friendly enough, offering a traveler some apple juice for the road.

But the shadow of its founder and longtime leader, Paul Schaefer - - a former Nazi and Baptist preacher who fled Germany in 1961 amid charges that he had sexually abused boys in an orphanage he ran there -- hangs over the secretive 70-square-mile commune. So does the dark reputation it got during the military dictatorship of Gen. Augusto Pinochet, when survivors say Colonia Dignidad provided hospitality to interrogators and torturers in his secret police.

Chilean investigators say more than 70 criminal investigations are pending against the settlement, Schaefer or other residents, including tax evasion, fraud, kidnapping and sexual abuse of children. Schaefer, who would be in his 80s, disappeared in 1996 while investigators were looking into 27 child sexual-abuse counts against him. Most complaints against the commune, located 225 miles south of Santiago, Chile's capital, date from the Schaefer era.

Colonia Dignidad's reputation suffered another blow recently when four of its roughly 270 residents defected. The four -- two founding farmers, their daughter and son-in-law -- are cooperating with Chilean prosecutors. In their first interview with a foreign newspaper, they and the investigators charged that torture, sexual abuse, forced labor and repression of their basic liberties took place at the settlement, but they offered few details.

The escapees also said they had seen Pinochet's sharpshooters undergoing training at remote Colonia Dignidad before the Sept. 11, 1973, military coup that toppled the elected socialist government of Salvador Allende.

The escapees, however, said they knew nothing about an American hiker, Boris Weisfeiler, who disappeared 10 miles from the colony in 1985. According to declassified U.S. Embassy documents, an informant said authorities at Colonia Dignidad seized Weisfeiler, a mathematician at Pennsylvania State University, as a suspected "Jewish spy," then questioned and killed him.

That allegation has been disputed and remains unproved.

The escapees were not physically restrained, but according to investigators they feared punishment if they were caught attempting to leave. They were laborers not authorized to travel outside the settlement.

Hernan Escobar, an administrator and unofficial spokesman for Colonia Dignidad, told Knight Ridder that the settlement is being persecuted for its conservative views. It has no Nazi ties or beliefs, is not hiding Schaefer and did not hold the four against their will, he said.

"What is regrettable to us is they did not communicate their intentions to us," Escobar said. "To do this after 40 years, without explanation, is not what gentlemen do."

Former Colonia Dignidad farmer Walter Szurgelies, 73; his wife, Mathilde Selent, 75; their daughter Ingrid, 48; and son-in-law Francisco Morales, 50, escaped after smuggling a letter to a visiting judge who was investigating sex-abuse allegations against colony leaders.

The judge passed their note to prosecutors, who opened a criminal investigation into alleged threats by colony residents against the Szurgelies family. Thus protected from restraints the commune might impose, the four climbed into a government vehicle inside the compound April 11 and were driven out in front of other colony members.

"There are more people who still want to get out," said Morales, who was adopted as a boy by a founder of the colony and known inside it as Franz Baar.

Six of their adult children might be among those who want to leave, Szurgelies and his wife told Knight Ridder. Like other children raised under Schaefer's rule, they were separated from their parents at an early age to live in communal nurseries and same- sex dorms. Adult men and women also live apart. Traditionally, children born on the premises were taken from their parents at age 2.

Colonia Dignidad stopped taking children from their mothers and raising them apart from their parents in 1996 when Schaefer vanished, Escobar said. Since then, he said, elders in charge of business activities have ruled the community with input from what he called "consultative assemblies."

"We acknowledge that over time, this has worked against us," Escobar explained, about separating children from parents. "By outsiders we were seen as strange. Within our community, the practice thwarted the love a child should feel for its mother."

He denied a request to tour the colony, saying it would only lead to bad publicity.

Investigators said Morales confirmed to them that sexual abuse of children had been widespread in the Schaefer era. They said most settlers did not know that Schaefer had been accused of pedophilia in Germany.

"I think at some point the power he had corrupted him," Escobar said. "I don't know if he committed sexual abuse, I would have had to be there. But I am totally convinced there is some truth to it. Maybe half the accusations are invented and half are true."

Szurgelies and Selent met with their children who remained in the colony and a commune attorney at a site off the commune's premises April 18. The parents urged their children to escape; the children urged their parents to return to the colony. Investigators said the parents told them they believe that some of their children were threatened or blackmailed into submission. Those children were not available to comment.

"We are at the beginning of a long ball of yarn that must be unwound," said Jorge Allende, the head of the victim-protection program in the local prosecutor's office in the nearby town of Talca, which assisted the four escapees.

Morales told Knight Ridder that many of the colony's older residents were forced to work 16-hour days, denied money due them and sometimes beaten. That is largely why he left, he said.

One of the colony's founders, Harmut Hopp, explained its rigors in a December 1987 interview with El Mercurio, a conservative Chilean newspaper. "Work should be the purpose of human life," he declared. He called leisure time a "malformation in modern man."

The escapees hope that through their disclosures, "Everything (about the colony) will become clearer," Morales said. "We cannot continue with this constant lie."

Members of the Szurgelies family, who are penniless, left with only the clothes on their backs. Like most commune residents, they did not hold their own German passports or Chilean residency documents, investigators said. Trusted members handle the commune's business off the grounds, and a number of commune offspring leave to attend college. Others, including the Szurgelies family, never leave.

Mathilde Selent was beside herself at her first opportunity in 40 years to shop for clothes, thanks to a subsidy from Chile's victim- protection program. "It's a new world, a new life, and I have a new jacket!" she exulted.

Moments later, her husband, unaccustomed to traffic lights, stepped blindly in front of an oncoming car. It screeched to a halt inches from his knees before he was whisked away by surprised detectives.

Making money has proven to be the commune's singular gift. Chile's leading news magazine, QuePasa, valued its 37,000 acres of farmland and forest and its business assets at $5 billion in 1998.

"We are the best communists in existence," Escobar said. "The true communist, the communist that takes to the heart the meaning of the word and the philosophy, that is very much us."

Many of the allegations against Colonia Dignidad date from the Pinochet era, when Manuel Contreras, head of Chile's notorious secret police from 1973 to 1978, was a frequent visitor, witnesses have told courts and civil rights commissions. Samuel Fuenzalida Devia, a former Chilean secret agent who fled the dictatorship, alleged in 1979 that the military regime brought opponents to the secretive enclave for murder and disposal.

The colony enjoyed tax-exempt status until the end of the Pinochet regime. In 1991, it took a new name, Villa Baviera. Locals and prosecutors still call it Colonia Dignidad, however.

In 1999, Judge Juan Guzman authorized a search of the colony that unearthed a bunker that victims who survived it said had served as a torture chamber, according to Chilean press reports.

Among the Chileans alleged to have disappeared at Colonia Dignidad was Luis Aguayo Fernandez, then 21, a local Socialist Party member and schoolteacher. He was last seen being questioned and tortured there in 1974, witnesses who survived have told his mother, Mercedes Fernandez Barra.

Fernandez Barra, 73, of nearby Parral, said recently: "My mother's intuition tells me his remains are there in Colonia Dignidad, buried there or cremated there."

Far away in Newton, Mass., Olga Weisfeiler, mathematician Weisfeiler's sister, lives with the same grim uncertainty. Her brother, a trekker, had hiked some of the world's roughest terrain. He supposedly drowned fording a river near Colonia Dignidad that is only 4 feet deep.

ogenoct
Monday, May 3rd, 2004, 10:26 PM
Vielen Dank fuer die Info!

Constantin

ogenoct
Monday, May 3rd, 2004, 11:06 PM
Saddam Hussein - Flucht in reichsdeutscher Flugscheibe?:

http://unglaublichkeiten.com/unglaublichkeiten/htmlphp/u0544UfosIran.html

Dr. Solar Wolff
Tuesday, May 4th, 2004, 03:59 AM
Saddam Hussein - Flucht in reichsdeutscher Flugscheibe?:

http://unglaublichkeiten.com/unglaublichkeiten/htmlphp/u0544UfosIran.html


This just goes to show that you can't believe everything at unglaublichkeiten.com

Great articles Annikaspapa. I had no idea Colonia Dignidad was used for such dark purposes in recent years. Skorzeny trained Peron's intelligence and police services so maybe that is where the idea for some of those dissappearences started.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Tuesday, May 4th, 2004, 04:18 AM
I have to admit that I am quite new to this topic. I only know what I have read on the unglaublichkeiten-site. References in both English or German would be greatly appreciated.

Constantin


Ok, let's keep away from the fantastic:

Vesco, Renato "Intercept UFO", 1974,1976, reprinted as "Man-Made UFOs 1944-1994 by Renato Vesco and David Hatcher Childress (the bible of German saucers)

Rothkugel, Klaus-Peter, 2002, "Das Geheimnis der deutschen Flugscheiben" (best all around modern book)

Zunneck, Karl-Heinz, 1998, "Geheimtechnologien, Wunderwaffen und Irdischen Facetten des UFO-Phaenomens 50 Jahre Desinformation und die Folge" (UFO and secret underground research conducted at Jonastal)

Stoll, Axel Dr. 2001, "Hochtechnologie im Dritten Reich" (Stoll is a geophysicist and goes mathematical explaining things)

van Helsing, Jan (a pen name), 1993, "Geheim Gesellschaften und ihre Macht im 20.Jahrhundret" (classic, banned in Germany, book on conspiracies--"van Helsing" is a personal friend of Norbert Juergen-Ratthofer who wrote "Das Vril Projekt" and several other books discussing field propullsion Haunebu and Virl saucers--so van Helsing is a good introduction to that).

Lyne, William, "Pentagon Aliens", 1999, Captured WW2 German saucers, test-flown in New Mexico, explains it using Tesla technology.

I have lots more. Let me know if you want more.

Vestmannr
Tuesday, May 4th, 2004, 04:34 AM
Yes, anything at all in English beyond what is referenced? Sadly, I didnt learn German from my Grandmother. Anything online that I could use a translation program for?

I'm not big into conspiracy theories anymore, but I find this subject fascinating.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Tuesday, May 4th, 2004, 04:45 AM
Yes, anything at all in English beyond what is referenced? Sadly, I didnt learn German from my Grandmother. Anything online that I could use a translation program for?

I'm not big into conspiracy theories anymore, but I find this subject fascinating.

See Renato Vesco above

Barton, Michael X., 1968, "The German Saucer Story", old, hard to find but good.

Lyne, William, 1998, "Occult Ether Physics" (about German saucers & Tesla)

Cook, Nick 2001, "The Hunt For Zero Point" (Cook is the aerospace editor for Jane's Defense Weekly--good sections of Viktor Schauberger and a wonderful interview with Polish researcher Igor Witkowski and his ideas--first time ever in English)

I also have a book in Czech which is also available in Polish--anyone interested?

Dr. Solar Wolff
Tuesday, May 4th, 2004, 04:48 AM
Oh yes, one more thing, the Wolff Intelligence Network informs me that a London film producer, David Monaghan, is working on a German saucer documentary for the BBC/Discovery Channel. This will be a good one according to reports.

Dr. Solar Wolff
Monday, September 6th, 2004, 08:45 AM
On second thought, you are right Jacobite. I was a little bit upset that the thread had disentigrated but that is my problem and should have nothing to do with you. I am sorry. Please accept my apology.

Frans_Jozef
Monday, September 6th, 2004, 08:55 AM
Well, to keep this interesting thread tidy I moved that humbug of clashing posts to the Lounge section:

http://forums.skadi.net/showthread.php?t=17060

Rodskarl Dubhgall
Monday, September 6th, 2004, 05:59 PM
On second thought, you are right Jacobite. I was a little bit upset that the thread had disentigrated but that is my problem and should have nothing to do with you. I am sorry. Please accept my apology.Sure, no problem. I too, hope the thread picks up somehow.

Annikaspapa
Friday, March 11th, 2005, 05:29 PM
Some info on Colonia Dignidad:

First, from our antifa "friends" at IDGR –

Colonia Dignidad
Derzeitige Bezeichnung: Villa Bavier

Die Sekte hatte sich 1956 auf Betreiben von Paul Schäfer (Jahrgang 1921) vom "Bund evangelisch-freikirchlicher Gemeinden in Deutschland" abgespaltet. Unter dem Namen "Private Sociale Mission" gründete Schäfer in Siegburg ein Erziehungsheim.....

A little update:


Ex-Chef der berüchtigten Colonia Dignidad gefasst
Buenos Aires/Berlin - Der frühere Chef der berüchtigten Deutschen-Siedlung "Colonia Digidad" in Chile, Paul Schäfer, verweigert nach seiner spektakulären Festnahme bislang jede Aussage. Schäfer war am Donnerstag nach neunjähriger Fahndung in Argentinien aufgespürt worden.


Dem 83-Jährigen werden Kindesmissbrauch und die Beteiligung an Verbrechen der Diktatur von Augusto Pinochet vorgeworfen. In Berlin sprach Bundesaußenminister Joschka Fischer (Grüne) am Freitag von einer "guten Nachricht". Die Bonner Staatsanwaltschaft prüft einen Auslieferungsantrag. Jedoch hofft Chile auf eine schnelle Abschiebung Schäfers, um ihn vor Gericht stellen zu können.


Vor mehr als 40 Jahren hatte sich Schäfer aus Deutschland abgesetzt, nachdem schon hier Ermittlungen wegen Kindesmissbrauchs gegen ihn liefen. Mit anderen deutschen Einwanderern gründete er 450 Kilometer südlich von Santiago im Jahre 1961 die Enklave, hinter deren stromführenden Stacheldrahtzäunen er eine diktatorisch geführte Lebens- und Arbeitsgemeinschaft aufbaute.

In der von nationalsozialistischen Gedanken und Sekteneinflüssen geprägten Zwangswelt wurden die Geschlechter streng getrennt. Pausenlos wurden Sauberkeit und Fleiß gepredigt und die Mitglieder zu zwölf Stunden Arbeit pro Tag gezwungen. Immer wieder berichteten Flüchtlinge, dass sich Schäfer an Minderjährigen vergangen habe. In den ersten Jahren der Diktatur Pinochet soll die Geheimpolizei Dina in dem Camp ab 1973 systematisch gefoltert und gemordet haben. Amnesty International geht von 119 Opfern aus.

Bei seiner Festnahme hielt sich Schäfer in einer luxuriösen geschlossenen Wohnanlage in Tortuguitas etwa 40 Kilometer von Buenos Aires entfernt auf. Er saß im Rollstuhl. Chilenischen Medienberichten zufolge hatte er sich Ende vergangenen Jahres in einem Krankenhaus in Buenos Aires einen Herzbypass legen lassen. Wie der argentinische Interpol-Kommissar Alejandro Dimizo der dpa mitteilte, wurde Schäfer inzwischen in die Krankenabteilung des Hochsicherheitsgefängnisses in Marcos Paz bei Buenos Aires gebracht.

Schäfers jetziger Aufenthaltsort sei mit Hilfe von Hinweisen chilenischer Rechtsanwälte und Journalisten des Fernsehmagazins "Contacto" ermittelt worden, sagte der Interpol-Kommissar. Gegen den Festgenommenen lagen internationale Haftbefehle aus Deutschland und Chile vor. Mit ihm seien auch seine Adoptivtochter Rebeca del Carmen Schäfer, der enge Mitarbeiter Peter Schmidt, die Krankenschwester Ranata Freitag und der Leibwächter Matías Gerlach von der Polizei abgeführt worden.

Außenminister Fischer sagte in Berlin , jetzt werde eine umfassende Aufklärung und Ahndung aller kriminellen Handlungen in der früheren "Colonia Dignidad" möglich. Argentiniens Präsident Néstor Kirchner will bei einem seit längeren geplanten Besuch am kommenden Wochenende in Santiago mit seinem chilenischen Kollegen Ricardo Lagos über den Fall sprechen. Die Innenminister beider Länder hätten bereits über eine rasche Abschiebung Schäfers gesprochen. Dies könne jederzeit geschehen, während ein Auslieferungsverfahren sich über einen langen Zeitraum hinziehen dürfte.

Die Ermittlungen der chilenischen Justiz hatten nach dem Ende der Diktatur Pinochets 1990 wieder an Fahrt gewonnen. 1996 tauchte Schäfer unter. 1998 soll er sich aus Chile abgesetzt haben. Mehrere Durchsuchungsaktionen der Jusitz in der inzwischen in "Villa Baviera" umbenannten landwirtschaftlichen Siedlung blieben erfolglos. Inzwischen hat sich die Siedlung geöffnet und wirbt sogar um Touristen. Sprecher der Siedler äußerten sich erleichtert über die Festnahme Schäfers.



Another article (as always - consider the source) –
Rich commune exists in shadow of dark roots

Knight Ridder Tribune News Service/April 23, 2003
By Kevin G. Hall

Colonia Dignidad, Chile -- The rows of corn grow tall and straight at Colonia Dignidad, one of the world's richest communes. Its timber products, baked goods and sausage, renowned for their quality, are sold nationwide. Its 65-bed hospital provides the region's best health care......

And:
Former Nazi arrested on child sex charges
Mar*11*15:40
A former German Nazi soldier turned Chilean sect leader has been arrested on charges of paedophilia and committing torture during the dictatorship of Augusto Pinochet.

Paul Schaefer, 83, was arrested in the community of Tortuguitas, a town 30 kilometres west of Buenos Aires along with six people described as his security team, Argentine police said.

Schaefer was the charismatic leader of a German enclave in southern Chile called Colonia Dignidad. He has been hiding since a warrant for his arrest on multiple counts of pedophilia was issued in August 1996.

Schaefer was convicted of the charges in November 2004 along with 22 other Dignidad members.

Argentine Police commissioner Alejandro Dinisio said Schaefer carried no identification documents and refused to speak at the time of his arrest. Police had been on his trail for six months.

Argentine television reporters mobbed Schaefer as an agent pushed the elderly suspect on his wheelchair into a provincial police station. Officials said he could be transferred to Buenos Aires before the weekend.

Schaefer appeared on television handcuffed and smiling, and holding a bottle of soda.

A former corporal and medic in the Nazi army, Schaefer fled Germany to Chile in 1961 to avoid child sexual abuse charges.

He established the self-subsistent Colonia Dignidad, also called Villa Baviera, in the mountains near the city of Parral, some 350 kilometres south of Santiago along with other German immigrants.

Surrounded by barbed and electrified wire and protected by barricades, the community adhered to a strict discipline and remained cut off from the rest of Chilean life.

In 1996 a number of former residents testified that Schaefer systematically abused the colony's young children, many of whom were taken from the parents at birth.

Chilean officials also want Schaefer in connection with torture during the 1973-1990 Pinochet dictatorship.

Investigators say that political prisoners, including former leftist leader Alvaro Vallejos Villagran - arrested by Pinochet agents in May 1974 - vanished after being sent to Colonia Dignidad.

A former member of Pinochet's secret police gave testimony stating that he knew Vallejos Villagran was taken alive to Dignidad.

Police also want to question Schaefer about the 1985 disappearance of Boris Weisfeiler, an American Jewish mathematics professor of Russian origin.

Investigators believe Weisfeiler was picked up by a military border patrol while he was backpacking in the region on suspicion of being a spy and dropped off at Dignidad.

Weisfeiler's sister, Olga, said there were reports by Dignidad residents of seeing him alive up to two years later.

To accelerate Schaefer's departure, the Chilean interior minister asked his Argentine counterpart to expel him from Argentina and avoid going to court to ask for an extradition, which could delay the case with appeals.

The arrest "was good reason for which we are all happy", said Chilean President Ricardo Lagos, who will meet his Argentine counterparts on Monday at a previously scheduled event.