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Friday, November 3rd, 2006, 07:58 PM
A spectacular UFO crash witnessed by locals and the military, an alien’s small body recovered and then a fantastic cover-up.

Roswell, N.M., in 1947, right?

Nope. Aurora, Texas. In 1897.

The compelling story was first reported by the Dallas Morning News on April 17 of that year and is all the more intriguing because there was little aloft in the skies over Texas in these years before the Wright Brothers’ initial 1903 flight.

Reporter S.E. Hayden wrote:

“Aurora, Wise County, Texas, — About 6 o’clock this morning the early risers of Aurora were astonished at the sudden appearance of the airship which has been sailing throughout the country.

“It sailed directly over the public square, and when it reached the north part of town, collided with the tower of Judge Proctor’s windmill and went to pieces with a terrific explosion, scattering debris over several acres of ground, wrecking the windmill and water tank and destroying the judge’s flower garden.

“The pilot of the ship is supposed to have been the only one aboard, and while his remains are badly disfigured, enough of the original has been picked up to show that he was not an inhabitant of this world.”

More than a century later, this dramatic story brought a TV crew from The History Channel to Texas, led by producer-writer John Greenewald Jr., who produced the show “UFO Files: Texas’ Roswell.”

Greenewald, a former on-the-air interviewer, went behind the camera to direct interviews of UFO experts and Aurora residents.

“It is a town legend, but I’m curious if there is any truth to it,” Greenewald said. “We talked to the experts — some very intelligent people who are convinced that it happened.”

He added that Aurorians were more forthcoming about their belief in the early UFO on the phone, but that they often softened their stories once the camera lights were on.

He noted that there were many reported sightings of mysterious airships across the Midwest in 1897.

“The town is (now) so adamant that the event wasn’t real,” Greenwald said. “But the (UFO) investigators are so adamant that it was real.”

He said that the program would air again on cable, but that the next date is uncertain.

The TV folks said they were denied access to the cemetery, where they had hoped to scan for alien remains. They were also unsuccessful in getting permission to examine Proctor’s water well, which was purportedly used as a disposal site for scraps of metal from the crashed vessel.

Village lore has it that the next owner of the property blamed his bad health on drinking water from the contaminated well.

Texan Derrel Sims, who bills himself as the Alien Hunter and claims to be a former CIA agent, had fewer reservations.

“I have put together one of the most compelling ideas on why Aurora might have happened,” Sims said. “It is most interesting is whether an alien is buried in Aurora — or whether someone may have picked up the little bugger and taken him away.”

The History Channel production and many other sources do report the commonly accepted theory that all the fuss was the result of a sympathetic reporter and local collaborators drumming up interest in the town.

Aurora, it seems, was thought to be facing doom. Not from the sky, but rather from railway plans to bypass it, effectively removing it from the map of 19th century economics.

This week’s Halloween costumes probably won’t include the option of going as the Aurora Alien, but the next time someone mentions Roswell, N.M., you might remind them that historic accounts put Texas a half century ahead of their little green men.

Source (http://news.galvestondailynews.com/story.lasso?ewcd=9db74dc564d3279e)

Friday, November 3rd, 2006, 08:17 PM
The misterious Aurora project is not directly related with UFOs. It was always linked with the Area 51 and Skunk Works, a division of Lockheed Martin Aerospace Industries where they develop in secret new flying artefacts, most of them flown in the Area 51. Since they are militar projects it's logical they keep it in secret, and human mind then believes there are UFOs, but I personnally think that's not true.
Aurora was first rumored to be a new stealth (invisible to the RADAR) bomber, this was said in the '80s, but in the '90s two bombers with this characteristhics were revealed by USA: the B117 Nighthawk (that one which looks faceted) and the B2 Spirit, both used in Iraq and the Balkans. So, the rumour about Aurora persisted, and now the most of speculators believe it's a project about a stealth spy plane capable of achieving speeds of Mach 6 or more (that is 6 times the speed of sound, which is at sea level ~343 m/s=1234 km/h) and climb up to more than 30000 meters. That's very difficult to achieve due to the heat generated by the friction of the air with the aircraft at such high speeds (it can melt the most of metals alloys, or at least make them very weak to support the forces generated). To compare, the highest speed achieved by a militar aircraft is that one of the SR-71 Blackbird (now out of service) at more than 25000 meters, around Mach 3 and for short time, and that's state of the art. So I think it's more an ambitious project than a UFO plan.

Gorm the Old
Saturday, November 4th, 2006, 02:37 AM
I find it a bit hard to swallow that an alien could navigate his starship through tens to thousands of parsecs of interstellar space and then be such a klutz as to collide with a windmill ! :rolleyes:

Why do "ufologists" think that aliens who evolved in some remote stellar system, or even "long ago and far away in another galaxy", would resemble organisms who evolved from arboreal primates on this planet ? There need not be any special survival value to bilateral symmetry, four limbs, upright posture, and the specific arrangement of sensory organs which we possess.

In fact, there is no reason why intelligent alien organisms need resemble us at all. Indeed, I think that it would be a remarkable coincidence if they did.
Whatever they might look like, it is very unlikely that, if one of us beheld one of them, the human would recognize any kinship at all to this bizarre creature.:eek

The 19th century was an age of pseudoscientific hoaxes: the Cardiff Giant, for example and the New York Sun's series of articles supposedly submitted by astronomers working in South Africa, giving detailed descriptions of civilization on the Moon.

By the 1890's airships existed. Alberto Santos-Dumont used to drop in (literally) on his friends in Paris from a small hydrogen-filled airship. It should really come as no surprise if the Aurora spaceship crash were another 19th-century hoax.;)

Dr. Solar Wolff
Saturday, November 4th, 2006, 06:28 AM
I knew an owner of a video production company in the 1990s. She had a Hollywood client list and she was also heavily into UFOs. She did video touch up work for various Hollywood companies and made enough money to be comfortable. She also had military clients for some reason and so had pictures of various high-tech aircraft on her business walls along with autographed pictures of the Hollywood stars. Some of these military types were military pilots who brought her pictures and video they had taken themselves. Area 51 was commonly discussed by everyone who entered this building. Once, two military pilots came in and the topic turned to the Aurora. To make this long story short, the powerplant actually was discussed by these pilots and they said the Aurora had an "anti-gravity component to its powerplant".

This is a strange statement. They didn't say it worked via anti-gravity. They only said "component". We thought it must have a levitation function but not a thrust function so that the thrust was done by jets or rockets just as with the SR-71. But this means something. In the SR-71, the scram jet engines give the aircraft a vector force. In other words, those engines have to lift the aircraft through the wings as well as propell the aircraft forward. But in the Aurora, the lift, the boyancy, is taken care of by a seperate engine so that the scram jets only have to provide horizontal thrust. This means they work far better and so the aircraft can fly much faster. The German engineer Andreas Epp also worked on hovercraft and once remarked that since the lift was provided by one engine, using on the touch of a finger the hovercraft could be pushed forward.

Saturday, November 4th, 2006, 08:05 PM
Hmmm... There's an effect due to static electricity called electrical wind. If you connect a wire which ends in a tip, like the tips of an electronic tester, to a source of static charges, like a Van der Waals generator (it can be found in any university, they are realtively cheap), the extra electrical charges get concentrated at the tip, thus producing a big flux of electrons in the immediately surrounding air. Electrostatic forces due to the electrical field are generated and actually a wind is produced, as if you were blowing, but you do it with the metallic tip instead. A friend of mine was planning to improve the efficiency of scale-made plane propellers using this effect. Maybe the Aurora has a similar device.

Sunday, November 5th, 2006, 10:01 AM
Aurora ?
I think it´s an hypersonic Plane.


source for the pic and more: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread47617/pg3

Sunday, November 5th, 2006, 04:13 PM
Aurora ?
I think it´s an hypersonic Plane.


source for the pic and more: http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread47617/pg3

Right. That means it would be able to fly at more than Mach 4/6, depending on how you define "hypersonic". We should mention also that the sound speed varies with altitude, at sea level is ~340/343 m/s but at 10000m it lowers quite much, so at 10000m Mach 6 doesn't mean a speed of (340*6)m/s but a lower one. However, it doesn't mean it will be easy to achieve, in fact, the SR-71 had a extremely complex design, regarding extreme aerodynamics and state-of-the-art materials to support temperatures reaching ~500°C in some parts. To summe up, designing a hypersonic aircraft would be a big pain in the ***, almost imposible with modern technologies in the lower athmosphere (such speeds were achieved only with small experimental aircraft with rocket engines above the stratosphere, and with millionaire budgets).

Dr. Solar Wolff
Monday, November 6th, 2006, 05:36 AM
A guy I knew slightly, a friend of a friend, went to the Aurora, Texas, site and tried to nose around. He really came up with nothing new. Nobody there talks to outsiders and they just want to be left alone.

Monday, November 6th, 2006, 03:03 PM
A guy I knew slightly, a friend of a friend, went to the Aurora, Texas, site and tried to nose around. He really came up with nothing new. Nobody there talks to outsiders and they just want to be left alone.

Really odd. In general, places where UFO crashes or encounters were reported are exploited in a touristic way, like in Roswell, where you can buy tons of souvenirs related to UFOs. Or here in Argentina, the Uritorco mountain is considered practically a "UFOport" and a place "full of good energy", so it's quite common to see there hippies, esotherists, UFO investigators, people who just like the natural enviroment of the place (it's a National Park) and a lot of little shops taking advantage of the situation. It's told also that nazis went there searching the Holly Graal or other "Indiana Jones like" things (it seems some Templars made a little tour across the Athlantic Ocean), but as far as I know, those are rumours only.