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OMegasPan
Sunday, October 29th, 2006, 10:32 PM
I would like to put the following question to your attention.


How is Gnosis (scientifical, relligious & every other important knowledge in a unified sum) influenced by the part of the world, people that become holders of it, live?

For example, it could be argued that Gnosis has common grounds on this planet, that it is fundamentaly the same in the minds of people in Antarctica, China, Mexico, Africa, North Europe, etc.
It just manifests and is expressed in different ways.

So, what influences these different expressions? Is it Earth and its different locations? Is it something else of the physical environment? Something of the metaphysical one? Is it just people?

Janus
Sunday, October 29th, 2006, 10:37 PM
Uhm, there have never been people on Antarctica ;)

OMegasPan
Sunday, October 29th, 2006, 11:11 PM
oups!


Well i thought for a moment that nordics live there, with eskimos n lapones or something :|

Isnt it close to Iceland more or less?

Siegfried
Sunday, October 29th, 2006, 11:12 PM
Antarctica is the area around the South Pole. You apparently confused it with the Arctic, which is around the North Pole.

Moody
Monday, October 30th, 2006, 02:52 PM
How is Gnosis (scientifical, relligious & every other important knowledge in a unified sum) influenced by the part of the world, people that become holders of it, live?
For example, it could be argued that Gnosis has common grounds on this planet, that it is fundamentaly the same in the minds of people in Antarctica, China, Mexico, Africa, North Europe, etc.
It just manifests and is expressed in different ways.
So, what influences these different expressions? Is it Earth and its different locations? Is it something else of the physical environment? Something of the metaphysical one? Is it just people?

I don't know if you can separate out these things, which can be called, essentially, - being-in-the-world.

Therefore I would say that it is the primordial nature of one's Being that is determinate.

That is to say, it is to both the inner and outer primordial racial-enviromental conditions to which one owes the beginning of one's Being, that are decisive.

Because such beginnings are lost to the mists of Time, we can only trace their trail backwards, which is a disadvantage, because life is lived forwards.

So we can only work with the after-shocks and the ripples caused by those primordial origins.

In terms of gnosis, or know-ledge, then the most important signpost is that of language.

The differences in the language groups of the world indicate the differences in the types of races.

Not only that, but our languages tend to indicate the way in which races think and 'know'.

Therefore, I do not believe there to have been one single starting point, but rather many different ones.
The differences in languages and in ways of thinking imply the disparate origins.

Of course, this is language thought in the widest sense where poetry/song/myth/philosophy/conversation etc., are not picked out.

This is when man dwelt in his culture, not outside of it.

So only by making our "language the house of Being", as Heidegger says, can we start to discover the nature of our first-knowings.

Slå ring om Norge
Thursday, November 2nd, 2006, 06:46 PM
Faith or knowledge?

Among the believers, the term "faith" has become a key principe in" religion". But it is a fact that many religions do not have the "faith" key. Faith is not nescessarily the central and driving principe.

So what is the alternative to "faith"?

There are several lesser known keys to heaven. Original and individual Gnosis are one possibility. Zen is one. Lifestyle and acts another one. Will is definitivly also another principal key to the Golden Gates.

Alternatives to "faith"

Many does not have a faith. However that does not exclude them from contact with their Lord,. The crucial point is contact and communication with the Lord, not those thart claims to be his agents. I also remind you that the Lord is not religious, and does not bow to any religion. So should we, the children of God. In my case Asthor.

The reason that "faith" has been established as som common , or universal key to heavenm, are thre inventors of the relions understanding that the followers or "believers" are less advanced spiritual than the founder of the religions. There are one religion for the believers, and one for the prophet. Jesus for example, was never even close to be a Christian. Neither has God ever been a Christian, Jew or Muslim.

Jesus was a gnostic

Jesus was a gnostic. A true gnostic, as "gnosis" are defined as " knowledge". The essential "gnostic" experience are the experience of God. Where this lacks, "faith" may be an useful substitute for the masses. Jesus obviously knew, his evangelium are not founded on faith.

However the evangelium the believers receive, contains the "faith" key, the master knew his public.

And why not. These mysteries are not posssible to define with the intellect.
It is neither possible to communicate it directly, as words and language are too slow and unprecise to grasp the essence. Methaphors may do, but only suggest.
Anyway, the ultimate knowledge comes from within, and final judgement takes place in our hearths, with no cheat options.

" - Let the dogs fuck, they are not mine..."

So, let them have their faith. They do not have all the time in the world to speculate upon the mysteries of Creation. The faith may be a useful help for believers all over the world. And not the least for the organizations that administers the believers money and morals.

It is also quite strategic of the Church to establish "faith" as a common valid key for spiritual life. By this, they attempt to monopolize the paths to heaven, and that way secure their own earthly power. The Middleastern monotheistic slavereligions have that in common.

Anyway, we must become "like children in our hearths" to enter the gate of heaven.

Creeps and crosses

I also find it amusing that philosophers of arrogance and pride, will have to come creeping to the cross, all naked, in their poverty and need.

And certainly not the christian cross, but at the meeting point between the Creator and the creature. Good luck!

And that is all they get from me. Their megalomanic and monotheistic religions condemns the non-believers to Hell, and this the believers accepts with the purest conscience...

The believers have thereby cleaner hands than other massmurderers. Also history has shown with terrible clarity, when the institutions of monotheistic religions gets earthly power, they uses it for all it is worth.