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Wolfssangel
Monday, October 23rd, 2006, 01:36 PM
I love to type or write Afrikaans/English into Runic. I never forget for Runic alphabet.

I don't like Roman alphabet because Roman alphabet is non-Germanic alphabet. What happened to Runic alphabet in the countries of Westhern/Northern Germanic? Why did the Christians changed Runic in Roman alphabet? :(


The Name of The Aryan Race and Boerevolk,
WolfSSangel

Aeric
Tuesday, October 24th, 2006, 11:58 PM
When the so-called dark ages descended on Europe only a relatively few people had good (latinised) writing skills and the ability to produce books - these resources were mainly in the hands of the clergy (we still refer to professional pen-pushers as 'clerks' because of the associations between clerics and writing).

The monks had a virtual monopoly on written communication and often felt very little love for the old writing systems - there were even instances when they used once lovingly-preserved runic texts as lavatory paper.

Aeric

Oswiu
Wednesday, October 25th, 2006, 01:23 AM
there were even instances when they used once lovingly-preserved runic texts as lavatory paper.
Oh come on! Where'd you get that from?!?
We should be thankful to these clerics for preserving what they DID preserve of our old traditions - time was against the old ways, Christianity was irresistible for all sorts of political and historical reasons. Our greatest resources for the heathen past were all Churchmen; Bede, Snorri, Saxo. Not to mention the monastic foundations that ensured the recopying of Classical texts.

Christians in Northumbria even made deliberate use of the runes, recognising their power and mystique amongst the folk - see the Ruthwell Cross in Dumfriesshire, where an English sculptor has carved onto the monument the poem of an English poet who employed English, i.e. purely Germanic, poetic forms to celebrate a Christian theme.
http://www.flsouthern.edu/Academics/eng/abruce/rood/West.htm
http://www.rampantscotland.com/visit/blvisitruthwell.htm
http://www.carvedstonesscotland.org/Ruthwell.gifhttp://www.flsouthern.edu/Academics/eng/abruce/rood/IMAGES/CrWest.jpg
http://www.rampantscotland.com/visit/graphics/ruthwellcross3a.gif



"+ Krist węs on rodi.
Hwežrę žer fusę fearran kwomu
ęžžilę til anum: ic žęt al biheald.
Sarę ic węs miž sorgum gidrœfid; hnag ic žam secgum til handa."

(These lines follow the emendations suggested by David Howlett.)
The north border (going along the left side of these pictures) offers these lines:
"Miž strelum giwundad
alegdun hię Hinę limwœrignę; gistoddun him ęt His licęs heafdum;
bihealdun hię žer Heafunęs Dryctin; ond He Hinę žer hwilę restę."

Find the full poem and translation here;
http://www.flsouthern.edu/Academics/eng/abruce/rood/Text.htm

The Runes didn't completely disappear - we still see them today. If you're ever in England and see a sign with "Ye olde tea shoppe" or whatever, then you're looking at the Rune Thorn, as Y. The runes are mostly just angular forms of Latin letters anyway, so the two systems easily became one.

Wolfssangel
Wednesday, October 25th, 2006, 02:41 PM
I have many Runic fonts in my computer and laptop. :D

Moody
Wednesday, October 25th, 2006, 02:58 PM
While it is true that the runes were associated with Heathenry, and were condemned by some churches as 'witchcraft' and the sort, it is also true that the Runes were sometimes used by Christians in official Christian contexts.

Also, we know that the Runes remained in use up to the 15th century.

We can see the influence of the runes on Medieval maker's marks, and if von List is correct, even in the symbolic forms of Heraldry.

So perhaps Runes were never that widespread in use anyway and have always been used only by an elite, and that the roman script just fulfilled a need for a general form of writing?

I'm not totally sure about this, as there are indications that Runes were utilised in Scandinavia during the Medieval period for fairly demotic uses.

Aeric
Wednesday, October 25th, 2006, 11:57 PM
Oh come on! Where'd you get that from?!?


Forgive me, Brother, if I am unable to remember the source of the lavatory paper anecdote. I recall that I read it some years ago in the preface to a new translation of 'Beowulf'. The same writer did, however, credit the fortunate survival of other runic texts to monks with less scatological reading habits :) .

Aeric