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Monday, July 25th, 2005, 11:54 AM
(SOURCE: http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/t/th/thule_(myth).htm# (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/t/th/thule_%28myth%29.htm#))

Thule, in the Greek (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/g/gr/greek_mythology.htm) and Roman (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/r/ro/roman_mythology.htm) mythologies (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/m/my/mythology.htm), is a place, usually an island, in the far north, perhaps Scandinavia (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/s/sc/scandinavia.htm). It was first mentioned by the Greek geographer and explorer Pytheas (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/p/py/pytheas.htm) of Massalía Marseille (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/m/ma/marseille.htm) in the 4th century BC. Pytheas claimed that Thule was six days north of Britain (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/b/br/britain.htm), and that the midsummer (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/m/mi/midsummer.htm) sun never set there. Thule is sometimes seen to have some commonality with Atlantis (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/a/at/atlantis.htm).

The most likely locale for Thule is nowadays considered to be the coast of Norway (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/n/no/norway.htm); other historians think it was the Shetland Islands (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/s/sh/shetland_islands.htm), Faroe Islands (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/f/fa/faroe_islands.htm) or Iceland (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/i/ic/iceland.htm), however. In the Middle Ages (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/m/mi/middle_ages.htm), the name was sometimes used to denote Iceland, such as by Bremen's (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/a/ad/adam_of_bremen.htm) Deeds of Bishops of the Hamburg Church, where he probably cites old writers' usage of Thule.

Some Occult (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/o/oc/occult.htm) groups, most notably the German Thule Gesellschaft (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/t/th/thule_society.htm) (ca. 1920) thought that it was the original source of the secret wisdom (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/n/na/nazi_mysticism.htm) of the Aryan race (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/a/ar/aryan_race.htm).

Thule was also mentioned by Traditionalist (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/t/tr/tradition.htm) author Julius Evola (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/j/ju/julius_evola.htm) in connection with Hyperborea (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/h/hy/hyperborea.htm) (literally, far north) and Atlantis (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/a/at/atlantis.htm).

Ultima Thule

The Romans used the generic phrase Ultima Thule (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/o/oo/oodaaq.htm) to denote any distant place located beyond the "borders of the known world".

Ultima Thule is also the name of a Swedish (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/s/sw/sweden.htm) Nationalist rock group.

"Ultima Thule" is also the name of a short story by Vladimir Nabokov (http://www.absoluteastronomy.com/encyclopedia/v/vl/vladimir_nabokov.htm) (United States writer (born in Russia) (1899-1977)) . http://www.verfassungsschutz-hessen.de/bilder/thule.jpghttp://www.crystalinks.com/thule.gif

(SOURCE: http://www.earth-history.com/Atlantis/ (http://www.earth-history.com/Atlantis/))
At present North pole (Thule)

The Germans and the Nordic Scandinavians spoke of a vanished continent in the North Atlantic Ocean called Thule with the civilization of Hyperborea located on it. Thule reportedly stretched into what is now the northern polar ice cap where it is buried underneath miles of ice so we cannot see it.

(SOURCE: http://www.worldwideschool.org/library/books/lit/poetry/TheCompletePoeticalWorksofHenryWadsworth Longfellow/chap24.html (http://www.worldwideschool.org/library/books/lit/poetry/TheCompletePoeticalWorksofHenryWadsworth Longfellow/chap24.html))

Ultima Thule
poem by Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

With favoring winds, o'er sunlit seas,
We sailed for the Hesperides,
The land where golden apples grow;
But that, ah! that was long ago.
How far, since then, the ocean streams
Have swept us from that land of dreams,
That land of fiction and of truth,
The lost Atlantis of our youth!

Whither, oh, whither? Are not these
The tempest-haunted Hebrides,
Where sea gulls scream, and breakers roar,
And wreck and sea-weed line the shore?

Ultima Thule! Utmost Isle!
Here in thy harbors for a while
We lower our sails; a while we rest
From the unending, endless quest.

I got inspired by a thread on tNP.:)

I have read that legend has it the Nords were the diluted blood or the original inhabitants of Thule, whose inhabitants were immortal, or at least never aged or died from sickness, and both men and women could lay waste to an entire enemy host of normal humans (not sure if HOST was meant to mean an entire army could be destroyed by a single pure blooded person from Thule, or if it was talking about a smaller group). However, I cannot find a German or English source with the more detailed legends at the moment.
What else do we know?

Alizon Device
Monday, July 25th, 2005, 07:27 PM
That's interesting. I must admit, I had only heard of The Isle of Thule in James Herbert's rather fantastical novel "The Spear", which I read as a teenager. If I remember correctly, there's also a town on the coast of Greenland called Thule.

Tuesday, July 26th, 2005, 04:10 AM
Thule is Part of the New Roman Empire?

(SOURCE: http://thule.novaroma.org/map.php (http://thule.novaroma.org/map.php))



Dedicated to the restoration of Classical Roman religion, culture, and virtues
http://thule.novaroma.org/images/spqr.jpg (http://www.novaroma.org/)

Thule is one of the numerous Provinciae of Nova Roma (http://thule.novaroma.org/novaroma.php), each of which has its own governor and organises its own events and activities. Thule has a strong Nova Roman community, which is held together largely thanks to our mailing list (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ThuleNovaRoma/join) and live events. Our citizens are live all across the Nordic countries, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Norway and Sweden.

For administrative purposes, the province of Thule is also divided into five Regiones (http://thule.novaroma.org/map.php), geographically corresponding to modern nations, each of which is assigned a Legatus, who deals with the day-to-day running of his or her Regio. Please use the clickable map to access information on each of the Regiones. A complete list of all appointed officials of provincia Thule can be found here (http://thule.novaroma.org/officials.php). Laws and edicts specific to Thule can be found here (http://thule.novaroma.org/edicts.php).


http://thule.novaroma.org/images/academia.gif (http://thule.novaroma.org/links.php#academia)


Provincia Thule is administrated by a Propraetor appointed by the Senate of Nova Roma. The Propraetor has the power of imperium and can issue edicts (laws on provincial level). He can also appoint Legati and Scribae, all of these have different titles (look at the Cohors Propraetoris (http://thule.novaroma.org/officials.php)).

The current Propraetor of Thule, Propraetor Thules, is Tribunus and Propraetor Caius Curius Saturninus (c.curius@academiathules.org). He resides near Helsinki, the current Praetorium (HQ, Propraetors residens, Capital) of Thule.




For administrative purposes, the province of Thule is also divided into five Regiones, each of which is assigned a Legatus, who deals with the day-to-day running of his or her Regio. Please use the clickable map below to access information on each of the Regiones, including the names of the Legati, the populations of each Regio and their precise geographical borders. The details of the administrative system by which the province is run may also be viewed here (http://thule.novaroma.org/officials.php).



Suecica (http://thule.novaroma.org/suecica/) Norvegica (http://thule.novaroma.org/norvegica/) Finnica (http://www.insulaumbra.com/regiofinnica) Danica (http://www.bjsink.dk/regio_danica/indexdk.htm) Islandica (http://thule.novaroma.org/islandica/)


Image drawn by Jonas Nilsson, unauthorised use for commercial purposes prohibited.

Thule is Bier?

(SOURCE: http://beer.trash.net/beerpage.php?beernum=950 (http://beer.trash.net/beerpage.php?beernum=950))
http://beer.trash.net/img/beers/950.jpg Sól Víking (http://www.solviking.is/)

Brewed since ? in Iceland

5.0 % alc. vol.

Thule won its first awards 1998 when it got third place in a danish beer competition. There where over 514 beers tasted by danish beer experts. The danish experts told the media afterwards that they were very happily surprised of the quality of this icelandic beer. Also available in bottle 0,5L

Thule is what a confused Greek Mathematician from North Africa mistook for a small arctic island continent when the first tales of Scandinavia reached the Hellenic World?

The world according to Eratosthenes, ca. 220 B.C.
(SOURCE: http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/maps/a/worldmaps.htm (http://ancienthistory.about.com/od/maps/a/worldmaps.htm))

Eratosthenes' Map of the World (http://clk.about.com/?zi=1/XJ&sdn=ancienthistory&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.henry-davis.com%2FMAPS%2FAncient%2520Web%2520P ages%2F112A.html)

A modern vision of what Eratosthenes (c. 220 BC) would have thought the world was like. Details include the Scythians, Celts, Ethiopians, India, Ariana, Britain and Thule. Also see a slightly different map (http://clk.about.com/?zi=1/XJ&sdn=ancienthistory&zu=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.henry-davis.com%2FMAPS%2FAncient%2520Web%2520P ages%2F112.html) showing the same area.


Wednesday, July 27th, 2005, 10:58 AM
Thule Italia?

(SOURCE: (http://www.thule-italia.com/CrocidiFerro/CrociDiFerroA.html)http://www.thule-italia.com/CrocidiFerro/CrociDiFerroA.html )


Croci di Ferro


A B (http://www.thule-italia.com/CrocidiFerro/CrociDiFerroB.html) C (http://www.thule-italia.com/CrocidiFerro/CrociDiFerroC.html) D (http://www.thule-italia.com/CrocidiFerro/CrociDiFerroD.html) E (http://www.thule-italia.com/CrocidiFerro/CrociDiFerroE.html) F (http://www.thule-italia.com/CrocidiFerro/CrociDiFerroF.html) G (http://www.thule-italia.com/CrocidiFerro/CrociDiFerroG.html) H (http://www.thule-italia.com/CrocidiFerro/CrociDiFerroH.html) I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

http://www.thule-italia.com/CrocidiFerro/RK_small1.jpg (http://www.thule-italia.com/CrocidiFerro/RK.jpg)


Monday, October 17th, 2005, 04:42 PM
Far north, somewhere near the icy regions of the North Pole, legend speaks of an ancient and mostly forgotten civilisation. Mythical in character, the Hyperborean civilisation is said to have flourished in the northern most region of planet Earth at a time when the area was suitable for human habitation.

According to certain esoteric systems and spiritual traditions, Hyperborea was the terrestrial and celestial beginning of civilisation. The home of original Man. Some theories postulate Hyperborea was the original Garden of Eden, the point where the earthly and heavenly planes meet. And it is said Man transgressed Divine Law in this Golden Age civilisation, the ultimate price being his banishment to the outside world. Man ventured into other regions of Earth, establishing new civilisations, bringing to an end this great and glorious Golden Age.

The Golden Age is central to manifold ancient traditions and myths. Significantly, the Golden Age appears most frequent in the traditions of cultures stretching from India to Northern Europe — the area directly beneath the Polar regions. Joscelyn Godwin, in Arktos, The Polar Myth in Science, Symbolism and Nazi Survival, says:

The memory or imagination of a Golden Age seems to be a particularity of the cultures that cover the area from India to Northern Europe… But in the ancient Middle East there is an obvious relic of the Golden Age in Genesis, as the Garden of Eden where humanity walked with the gods before the Fall. The Egyptians spoke of past epochs ruled by god-kings. Babylonian mythology… had a scheme of three ages, each lasting while the vernal [Spring] equinox precessed through four signs of the zodiac; the first of these, under the dominion of Anu, as a Golden Age, ended by the Flood. The Iranian Avesta texts tell of the thousand-year Golden Reign of Yima, the first man and the first king, under whose rule cold and heat, old age, death and sickness were unknown.1

The most fully developed theory of this kind, and probably the oldest one, is the Hindu doctrine of the Four Yugas. The four ages in this system are the Krita or Satya Yuga (four units), Treta Yuga (three), Dvapara Yuga (two), and Kali Yuga (one), the whole tenfold period making up one Mayayuga. The Kritayuga corresponds to the Golden Age, the Kali Yuga to the current period of time.

Every description of the Golden Age period relates how the ‘gods’ walked with men in a perfect and harmonious environment balanced between the terrestrial and celestial. Humanity suffered no sickness and no aging in this timeless paradise. After the Fall, man ‘fell’ into Time and suffering, forfeiting the gift of immortality.

Madame Blavatsky, the founder of Theosophical Society, claimed the ‘second root race’ originated in Hyperborea, before the later races of Lemuria and Atlantis. The Russian metaphysician Alexandre Dugin says that it was the home of the “solar people”, connected to what is now northern Russia. “Solar people,” Alexandre Dugin explains, are a “cultural-spiritual type” who are creative, energetic and spiritual. They are the opposite of “lunar people”, a psycho-spiritual type who are materialistic, conservative and wary of change.

The ancient Greeks had a legend of Hyperborea, a land of perpetual sun beyond the “north wind”. Hecataeus (circa 500 BC) says that the holy place of the Hyperboreans, which was built “after the pattern of the spheres”, lay “in the regions beyond the land of the Celts” on “an island in the ocean.” According to popular accounts, the God Apollo’s temple at Delphi was founded by individuals from Hyperborea. The Greek lyric poet Alcaeus (600 BC) sang of the actual or mystical journey of Apollo to the land of the Hyperboreans:

O King Apollo, son of great Zeus, whom thy father did furnish forth at thy birth with golden headband and lyre of shell, and giving thee moreover a swan-drawn chariot to drive, would have thee go to Delphi… But nevertheless, once mounted, thou badest thy swans fly to the land of the Hyperboreans.

The wearing of a star-embroidered robe by the King and ‘Ruler of the World’ — the heavenly sphere serving as a symbol of the earthly one — is a custom that can be traced to the Hyperboreans. Embroidered in gold on blue silk were the figures of the sun, moon and stars. Such robes were worn by the kings of Ancient Rome and Julius Ceasar, as well as Augustus and the Roman Emperors.

Earthenware statuettes found in a grave in Yugoslavia show the ‘Hyperborean Apollo’ in a chariot drawn by swans. The god wears, on his neck and breast, yellow figures of the sun and stars; on his head is a rayed crown with a headband that has a zigzag pattern. His robe, which reaches to the ground, is dark blue with yellow designs.

Collapse of Hyperborea

One of the most popular theories for the collapse of Hyperborea was a physical inclination (catastrophe) of the Earth’s axis. Man’s transgression of Divine Law caused a shift in the metaphysical balance, the effect of which was catastrophic on the Earth plane. Julius Evola, the noted Italian metaphysician, explains that at this point the first cycle of history closed, and that of the second, the Atlantean, began:

The memory of this Arctic seat is the patrimony of the traditions of many people, in the form either of real geographic allusions, or of symbols of its function and original significance, often transferred to a super-historical significance, or else applied to other centres that may be considered as copies of the original one… Above all, one will notice the interplay of the Arctic theme with the Atlantic theme… It is known that the astrophysical phenomenon of the inclination of the earth’s axis causes a change of climate from one epoch to another. Moreover, as tradition tells, this inclination took place at a given moment, and in fact through the alignment of a physical and a metaphysical fact, as if a disorder in nature were reflecting a certain situation of a spiritual order… At any rate, it was only at a certain moment that ice and eternal night descended on the polar region. Then, with the enforced emigration from that seat, the first cycle closed and the second opened, initiating the second great era, the Atlantean Cycle.2

The memory of a Golden Age, although rendered in an archetypal or mythological form, serves a super-historical purpose. This is why the remembrance of the ancient civilisation of Atlantis is sometimes enmeshed with that of Hyperborea. We cannot expect to ‘prove’ the physical existence of these civilisations. All myths are known to have a historical basis. Transmitted primarily by oral tradition, they are wrapped in a catchy and simple tale that ensures their survival and transmittal down through the ages. Myth serves an extremely vital function — a recollection of our beginnings, a knowledge of where we are heading, and what we are supposed to do. It is only now in the Kali Yuga that we have disconnected from tradition, losing the ability to correctly interpret and understand myths with historical kernels of truth.

Hyperborea Revived

The legend of Hyperborea revived during the 18th and 19th centuries when a flurry of books were published dealing with the idea that civilisation had first appeared not in the Middle East, but somewhere else.

The popular theory of the day postulated that the so-called ‘Aryans’ (Europeans) were superior and more intelligent than Semites (Middle East peoples). Therefore, logically, civilisation could not have originated in the Middle East and Hebrew was probably not the first language.

The Frenchmen of the Enlightenment were in no doubt that “Eden” was situated on higher ground. The Germans similarly, who were looking for their Aufklarung, also sought to be free of a history tied to the Mediterranean and Middle East regions. British and German scholars studied ancient Indian (Vedic) civilisation and leant the Sanskrit language. Many believed Sanskrit the original language of the ‘Aryans’.

With new sources of knowledge from ancient Egypt, Chaldea, China and India, researchers were treading on dangerous ground as far as questioning Man’s origins. Biblical history was still strictly upheld and moving too far from this historical boundary could have you silenced.

Writers such as Jean-Sylvain Bailly (1736-1793), the Rev. Dr. William Warren (1800s), Bal Gangadhar Tilak (1856-1929) and H.S. Spencer (1900s), developed out theories, often borrowing from earlier sources, attempting to prove man’s origins in the Polar region.

Tilak’s book Arctic Home (published 1903) begins by stating the well known fact that warm weather remains in the Arctic regions, which shows the climate was far different during the interglacial period. According to Tilak, scientists do concede the existence, in the past, of a warm circumpolar continent, and the circumstances there would not have been nearly unfavourable as imagined.

Tilak was convinced the ancient Indian Vedic texts point unmistakably to a “realm of the gods” where the sun rises and sets once a year, showing that their writers could understand the astronomical conditions at the North Pole.

Tilak, who had a perfect mastery of Vedic language, placed the original Arctic home existing around circa 10,000 BC, just prior to its destruction and the beginning of the last Ice Age.

His book had little impact in the West but was popular in India. When the learned Zoroastrian H.S. Spencer wrote his book The Aryan Ecliptic Cycle (1965), a development of Tilak’s work, he was able to obtain endorsements from Sir S. Radhakrishna, then President of India. As well as from dignitaries of the Theosophical Society in Adyar and the Sri Aurobindo Ashram in Pondichary.

Spencer’s approach commenced not with the Vedic but the Zoroastrian scriptures, going further than Tilak in tracing the progress of the ‘Aryans’ from the North to their new homes, and the schisms that beset them on the way.

Spencer’s ‘Aryans’ made their presence felt after they travelled far and wide. They moulded the religions and cultures of Egypt, Sumeria, Babylon, and of the Semites, hitherto worshippers of feminine lunar deities.

However, the search for a terrestrial ‘Hyperborea’ by many researchers and the movement of an original ‘race’ has been extremely difficult and presumptuous. Proving human habitation possible at the North Pole somewhere between 8000 and 10,000 BC is no mean feat, particularly if you were living in the 18th century. The numerous theories posited offering contradictory or tendentious ‘evidence’ has served only to discredit the whole notion of Hyperborea. The same could be said of theories attempting to prove the existence of the ‘lost continent of Atlantis’. The drive to prove the actuality of a terrestrial Hyperborea has overshadowed its occult and symbolic importance.

The Spiritual Pole

In the quest to discover the ‘physical’ location of Hyperborea, most writers overlooked the possibility that the mythology served a special symbolic and spiritual purpose. What if the truth behind the legend was esoteric, and not exoteric as some even today still maintain?

Many traditions speak of a supreme spiritual centre or ‘supreme country’. The ‘supreme country’ that does not necessarily lay at a specific earthly point, but exists in a primordial state, unaffected by terrestrial cataclysms.

The ‘supreme country’, commonly regarded as ‘polar’ in orientation, symbolically is always represented as being at the ‘Axis of the world’ — and in most cases is referred to as a ‘Sacred Mountain’. Rene Guenon in his book The Lord of the World says:

Almost every tradition has its name for this mountain, such as the Hindu Meru, the Persian Alborj, and the Montsalvat of Western Grail legend. There is also the Arab mountain Qaf and the Greek Olympus, which has in many ways the same significance. This consists of a region that, like the Terrestrial Paradise, has become inaccessible to ordinary humanity, and that is beyond the reach of those cataclysms which upset the human world at the end of certain cyclic periods. This region is the authentic ‘supreme country’ which, according to certain Vedic and Avestan texts, was originally sited towards the North Pole, even in the literal sense of the word. Although it may change its localisation according to the different phases of human history, it still remains polar in a symbolic sense because essentially it represents the fixed axis around which everything revolves.3

The Vedic texts say the ‘supreme country’ is known as Paradesha, also called the ‘Heart of the World’. It is the word from which the Chaldeans formed Pardes, and Westerners Paradise.

There is notably another name for it probably even older than Paradesha. This name is Tula, called by the Greeks Thule. Common to regions from Russia to Central America, Tula represented the primordial state from which spiritual power emanated.

It is known that the Mexican Tula owes its origin to the Toltecs who came, it is said, from Aztlan, the ‘land in the middle of the water’, which is evidently Atlantis. They brought the name Tula from their country of origin and gave it to a centre which consequently must have replaced, to a certain extent, that of the lost continent. On the other hand, the Atlantean Tula must be distinguished from the Hyperborean Tula, which latter represents the first and supreme centre….4

In this case — Tula — representing a centre of spiritual authority — does not remain fixed in a geographical location. Guenon states that the Atlantean cycle, successor to the Hyperborean cycle, is associated with Tula. The Atlantean Tula is an image of the original primordial state situated in a northern or Polar location. As world cycles progress onward, the supreme seat of spiritual power regresses further and further into hiding and obscurity. This, of course, is deliberate and predictable as humanity descends into the end of the age (Kali Yuga), progressively enmeshing itself in the material plane until the reversal of established world order is imposed.

It should be emphasised here that Tula, or the centre of spiritual authority, constitutes the fixed point known symbolically to all traditions as the ‘pole’ or axis around which the world rotates. Metaphysically speaking, the world rotates around this seat of power even if it’s not geographically North or South.

In the Buddhist tradition ‘Chakravarti’ literally means “He who makes the wheel turn”, which is to say the one who, being at the centre of all things, directs all movement without himself participating, or who is, to use Aristotle’s words, the “unmoving mover”.

The turning of the world, the ‘Pole’ and axis, combine to depict a wheel in the Celtic, Chaldean and Hindu traditions. Such is the true significance of the swastika, seen worldwide from the Far East to the Far West, which is intrinsically the ‘sign of the Pole’.

The Pole and Mystical Enlightenment

It is in medieval Iran that we find extant literature on the Spiritual Pole and the experience of mystical ascent to it. The Iranian Sufis, drawing not only on Islam but on the Mazdean, Manichean, Hermetic, Gnostic and Platonic traditions, blended a sacred knowledge said to be ‘scientific’, mystical and philosophically practical.

Esoterically… the Persian theosophers situated their “Orient” neither to the East, nor to the South, wither they faced in prayer towards the Ka’ba. “The Orient sought by the mystic, the Orient that cannot be located on our maps, is in the direction of the north, beyond the north.” [The Man of Light in Iranian Sufism by Henry Corbin, 1978] About this Pole reigns a perpetual Darkness, says the Recital of Hayy ibn Yaqzan, one of the visionary recitals of Avicenna (Ibn Sina). “Each year the rising sun shines upon it at a fixed time. He who confronts that Darkness and does not hesitate to plunge into to it for fear of difficulties will come to a vast space, boundless and filled with light.” This Darkness, says Corbin, is the ignorance of the natural man. “To pass through it is a terrifying and painful experience, for it ruins and destroys all the patencies and norms on which the natural man lived and depended…” [Ibid] But it must be faced consciously before one can acquire the saving gnosis of the light beyond.

The Darkness around the Pole, annually pierced by the sun’s rays, is at once terrestrial and symbolic. On the one hand, this is the situation at the North Pole, where there are six months of night and six of day. It is characteristic of esoteric tradition that the same image is valid on two or more levels. But as Corbin and Guenon never tired of pointing out, the symbolic level is not a fanciful construct on the basis of hard terrestrial fact: it is quite the other way round. In the present case, the mystical experience of penetrating the Darkness at the Pole is the fundamental reality and the authentic experience of the individual. The fact that the set-up of the material world reflects the celestial geography is what is contingent. In brief, in this teaching as in Platonism, it is the supersensible realm that is real, and the material realm that is a shadow of it.5

The seeker, through deep meditation on spiritual matters, succeeds in entering a world of mystical experience, and makes a pilgrimage to Hyperborea that can not be discovered from maps. Aristeas, the Greek poet, in shamanic rapture, is said to have travelled to Hyperborea while “possessed by Apollo”. Mystical soul-travel to Hyperborea is common in ancient Greek literature.

The journey to this Pole is sometimes illustrated as the ascent of a column of light, extending from the depths of hell to the lucid paradise in the cosmic North.

As previously mentioned, the Pole is also a Mountain, called Mount Qaf in Islamic tradition, whose ascent, like Dante’s climbing of the Mountain of Purgatory, represents the pilgrims progress through spiritual states.

Guenon, in Lord of the World, explains “the idea evoking the representation under discussion is essentially one of ‘stability’, that is itself a characteristic of the Pole.” The Mountain, referred to as an ‘Island’, “remains imm-ovable amidst the ceaseless agitation of the waves, a disturbance that reflects that of the external world. Accordingly, it is necessary to cross the ‘sea of passions’ in order to reach the ‘Mount of Salvation’, the ‘Sanctuary of Peace’.”

Our search for Hyperborea is our desire to return to Paradesha or Paradise — the primordial spring of Man’s original existence. The importance of knowing the terrestrial location of a lost civilisation at the northern regions is thus overshadowed by its symbolic relevance.

To seek Hyperborea is to quest for spiritual enlightenment. The Mountain, the Island, the immovable Rock, fixed in a Polar orientation, relays a symbolic repres-entation of our search for Ultimate Reality. Its immovability anchors us to this important task.

1. Arktos, The Polar Myth in Science, Symbolism and Nazi Survival by Joscelyn Godwin, p. 16.
2. Quoted in Arktos, The Polar Myth in Science, Symbolism and Nazi Survival, p. 58-9, original source Revolt Against the Modern World by Julius Evola, 1951.
3. The Lord of the World by Rene Guenon, p. 50.
4. Ibid, p. 56
5. Arktos, The Polar Myth in Science, Symbolism and Nazi Survival by Joscelyn Godwin, p. 167-8.

Source (http://www.geocities.com/integral_tradition/hyperbor.html)

Sunday, May 14th, 2006, 09:42 AM
I read about Thule being the capital of Hyperborea. Is that true? And how do these relate to Atlantis?

Saturday, July 22nd, 2006, 08:16 PM
Ultima Thule - Explorers and Natives in the Polar North
By Jean Malaurie

They recently translated this book and I was able to pick it up in hard copy. Very good read.

A terrible yet fantastic story of European and American exploration in the Polar regions. Thirteen men and expeditions preceded the author to the North Pole. Based on excerpts from these explorers' logs, counterbalanced by Inuit testimony, the book brings to life both sides of the clash between indigenous people and the white men who arrived in the Far Noth dreaming of Polar conquest and a superior civilization.

This author also wrote "The Last Kings of Thule".

Thulean Imperial Inquisitor
Sunday, August 13th, 2006, 05:12 PM
Once and Future Thule

"I have reached these lands but newly
From an ultimate dim Thule,
A wild, weird clime that lieth, sublime,
Out of space -- out of time."
-- Edgar Alan Poe

The origin of life on Earth, as everywhere in the Universe, is a
morphogenetic signal broadcast by a central source. A traditional
name for this source is Thule, a word that comes down to us by way of
ancient Greek from an earlier primeval tongue. The rhyme above gives
its correct pronunciation in Greek and modern English.

Where is Thule? To envision the answer, picture the universe as
a great sphere -- or, more colorfully, an apple. The four dimensions
of space and time are represented by the surface of the Cosmic Apple
-- all the stars and galaxies speckle its skin. Thus the inside of
the apple represents the fifth dimension, which can be thought of as
the Metasphere. Thule is located at the center of the Metasphere,
the very core of the apple. Thule's star is the Great Central Sun
which shines through all the other stars in the universe, as a lamp
through windows. It's also called the Star of Life. If you would
like to see an image of it, slice an apple in half horizontally.
Whenever a life-form on any world develops certain potentials, it
triggers a responding signal which is heard in Thule, and a team is
sent to investigate the new planet. In the fullness of evolutionary
time, there came a creature on Earth who drew the attention of Thule.
Today this species of being is called "hominid" in general and "Homo
Erectus" in particular. The Thuleans came, and were intrigued by
what they found. Subtle changes were wrought in the creatures,
altering their DNA and adjusting their morphic field. At last, after
many generations, the outer form was complete, refined to the point
where it could become a vehicle of Thule.
The final step of the great transmutation from hominid to human
occurred after a mated pair of the creatures learned the art of
f---ing face-to-face.

This permitted eye contact at the moment of climax, which is the exact
act by which two created beings cross the abyss which separates them
and attain contact with Thule. The two became one for a moment in
the light of the Star of Life, and when this one being fell again in
two, the two remembered, and found that they had changed. They had
become conscious, which is the modern way of saying that they had
become ensouled. They were human now, and Thuleans incarnate.
The collective soul of the newly human race, knowing itself and
cherishing its union with eternal Thule, acquired in usage four
operative parts, as it expressed itself in man, woman, boy, and girl,
or father, mother, son, and daughter. And the shards of the soul
embodied in these persons acquired names, as the humans began to
speak. Their names were simple, as befitted the rudimentary stage of
the language; yet to that extent it was the language of Thule itself,
and when these dawnfolk spoke, the words rippled with magic and
resonated with primal force.

Even to this day the remnants of these words echo in our speech
-- for the name of the father was Da, and the mother was Ma; their
son was named Ra, and their daughter Sha. All the 'a's are soft, as
in the sigh: Ah!

These individuals were all immortal within the collective. They
had achieved the first stage of conscious existence, which is
centered in the heart. There was so little extraneous complexity to
their souls that every boychild was virtually a reincarnation of his
grandfather, and every girl of her grandmother. . . and they even had
the same names. The children of Ra and Sha were Da and Ma, and thus
the members of the clan remained the same for generation after

The gifts of life and soul from Thule were not given as a
unilateral boon. The new Thuleans of Earth -- that is to say, human
beings -- were bound to the motherworld by the channel through the
Metasphere. Their responsibility was to complete the circuit by
sending certain vital substances back to Thule, which could be used
for its own sustenance and for disspersal as needed to any of the
myriad planets throughout the Universe which had been populated by
Thule. The general name for these substances is "metaplasm". Its
essence is the life-energy exuded by all living beings, though
ensouled creatures produce much more refined and luscious forms of

The clans of the folk in the early days were small, and even
though the total population increased as they spread across the
planet, there was still only a tiny number of people on Earth as
compared to today. Yet such was the calibre of these few, and the
purity of their souls, that they generated prodigious amounts of
metaplasm. Spiritually and biologically, this species was almost an
optimum expression of the Star of Life.

The will of Thule was for the people to expand and populate the
entire planet. As their numbers began to increase, the social form of
the clan became cumbersome, and impeded the growth of the collective
soul. And so it was that the society expanded, developing farming
and the arts, and many other subtleties of culture. Yet still, the
spiritual basis for this expansion was a development of the soul. It
rose from its root in the heart to an area of the cerebrum controlled
from a subtle nexus in the throat. This laryngeal center is also
connected directly to the hands, and enables the mastery of finer
forms of thought, speech, and dexterity. It can be thought of as a
veritable mental soul, coexisting with the heart-soul and
complementing its powers.

The complexity of the mental soul expanded the basic cast of
characters in the species well beyond the rudimentary Da-Ma-Ra-Sha.
Many parts of the group-soul now became entities unto themselves.
There were specialized castes who oversaw the arts of love and war,
and others who governed the making of imagery and the creative use of
sound. Some looked after the matters of agriculture and architecture,
and a special crew manned the channels of communication with Thule
and other worlds.

For in fact, at this stage of its development, the Thulean colony
on Earth was in contact with many planets, for all the Thulean
worlds, even those at the remotest reaches of the continuum, were
immediately linked through the metasphere. Paraphysical engineering
enabled even solid bodies to make the leap, converting matter to
psychic substance and then back again to matter at journey's end.
So it was that a great array of starships visited Earth, and its
metasphere and atmosphere were always filled with visitors. Although
a large majority of these extraterrestrials were humanoid, there was
still a marvelous range of variation, for the Thulean signal had
impressed its general form on many species. None of these noble races
were considered alien, for all served the Star of Life at the heart of

The stellar impetus sparked a further evolution in the Thuleans of
Terra: they learned to travel to other planets themselves, instead of
just passively receiving visitors. This ability was facilitated by a
further ascent of the fire of life in the physical body to the
prefrontal cortex of the brain, which is controlled by a subtle center
in the pineal gland. Even some "modern" physical scientists recognize
the pineal as a vestigial eye, though of course they fail to realize
that its proper field of vision is the meta-cosmos. And not just
sight but actual travel, for this Third Eye became the root of an
astral soul, which could leave the physical body and travel freely
among the stars.

Modern humans, who are in fact very primitive because of their
narrow material orientation, cannot believe that an actual
space-faring culture vastly more sophisticated and advanced than
their own existed on Earth in the dim reaches of the past, and left
nothing that they can recognize in the bones and stones of the
"archeological record". And the fact is that the higher centers in
modern humanity have so atrophied that even if one or more of these
people could be magically transported back in time to the Golden Age
of Thule on the Earth, they would still not recognize what they saw
as a superior culture. For the Thuleans had established a PRIMAL
CIVILIZATION, in which the citizens were as close to nature as their
primitive forebears in the clan, yet carried on all the art and
commerce of the exquisitely sophisticated stage they had evolved to.
Physical technology was at a minimum, though there were significant
tools. Many of these were made from perishable materials, but even
when modern archeologists find some of the more durable ones, they
do not recognize them for what they are, or were -- because almost
all of them operated by means of a psychic component, and are useless
and inscrutable without it.

The ancient Thuleans had no need for ocean liners nor telephone
lines, because communication was instantaneous around the globe via
the psychic network. There was no need for writing, because their
prodigious memories could carry forward reams of infinitessimal
detail, not only for a lifetime but indefinitely, because they did
not lose their memory when they reincarnated. The individuals who
were members of the various specialized metazons were basically
immortal, maintaining nearly total continuity of awareness from life
to life. This is a function of the mental and astral souls; when they
came back in a new physical body, hardly a jot or a tittle had been

Alas, as beautiful as was the Golden Age, it was also mortal.
There is a natural cycle in the affairs of life, which delimits the
term by which all things may endure for good or ill. The time came
for the Golden Age to end, and long was the fall of it, but finally
it perished, leaving only an afterglow in the collective soul, and a
myth in the minds of the people.

Throughout the eon, the Thuleans had shared the planet with the
remnants of the primitive hominid species from which they had been
gestated in the early dawn of the race. Rejects and renegades from
the Thulean socius had always sought refuge among these creatures,
and often cohabited with them, producing a mongrel breed. For tens
of thousands of years it was a mere marginal phenomenon, but at
last, as internal forces also tipped the scales in favor of decline,
more and more interbreeding took place, until the mixed strain began
to outnumber the pure, and to challenge it.
What followed was the dimming out of the light of Thule on Planet

The astral soul atrophied, and the mental soul declined. Now only a
remnant of the people, those who still retained some of the higher
faculties, could see the metasphere with their Third Eyes, could
commune with the visitors and travel in space. The majority of souls
increasingly lost touch with Thule.
The very existence of the meta-cosmos now appeared mythical to them,
the subject of racial memories and heroic tales of a miraculous past.
Those few who were still in touch with it, and could wield its
powers, seemed like gods to most of the folk -- and indeed, this was
the origin of gods and God: people who had lost the power to simply
see could only believe.

There was a gradual but drastic decline in the quality and
quantity of metaplasm produced by humans. This further weakened the
bond with Thule, and narrowed the channel to the motherworld. But
worse than this, it opened the way to an invasion by hostile aliens.
Though all life and the Universe itself derive ultimately from
the Star of Life and hence from Thule, some species and beings and
creatures have diverged in such an opposite direction that they
serve as a counterforce to the scheme of cosmic evolution guided by
Thule. These entities serve themselves, and live on the substance of
others. They are space vampires and meta-parasites. They have made
themselves alien to the Star of Life.

There came a moment when these aliens breached the defenses of
Thule and entered the solar system. They set up a Lunar base, and
ever since this period in the remote past they have been feeding off
the metaplasm of humans and sending the excess back to their home
planets through the metasphere of the Moon.

At first the aliens just flitted around the edges of Earthly
society, sucking up random charges and crumbs of stray vitality. Then
as time passed and the Thulean metazon began to decay and splinter,
the aliens swarmed into the cracks like cockroaches, and settled
down to feast in earnest.

At length they began to manipulate terrestrial events, setting
groups of Thuleans against each other, and encouraging their
interbreeding with the hominids. Soon it came to pass that large
numbers of Earthlings had sufficiently lost their Thulean nature for
the aliens to actually eat their souls -- what souls they had left,
that is. The astral soul could not survive at all, and the mental
soul now became prey to the voracious appetites of the aliens. It
was made of a very pure form of metaplasm, a veritable delicacy
for the predators. At the moment of death, any human being who had
not lived up to the exacting standards of Thule was unable to defend
himself from the hideous alien entity waiting to gobble his mental
soul. Since the mental soul was the last remaining depository of the
memories of the life just lived, the result was that the individual
was forced to reincarnate with the slate wiped clean -- all memory of
past lives was annihilated.

Only the heart-soul was now passed on from generation to
generation, and even this was steadily weakened over centuries as the
Thulean gene-pool was further diluted with hominid blood. The
heart-soul embodies the basic consciousness which makes us human, and
the instinctual bond to our kind. If this most basic substance of
the soul is finally lost, it will be the end of the human race on
Planet Earth.

The cross-breed species is what we now call "human", a pathetic
hominoid shadow of the Thuleans who comprise the nobler part of our
ancestry, in contrast to the brutal simian creatures with whom they
foolishly mated.

As Thule diminished, in exactly matching proportions the aliens
waxed prosperous upon the Earth. They drew the people into weird and
bizarre cultures, all designed with the ultimate end of producing
metaplasm for the aliens, by any means feasible.
In the Golden Age, war had been a stately and noble affair,
governed by rules of valor and chivalry mutually understood on both
sides, and inviolate.

It was recognized that combat is an essential element for the proper
upkeep of the truly human (Thulean) soul, and so various groupings
within the global socius periodically had at it, fighting to the
death in primal clashes, though death itself was mitigated by the
retention of memory in rebirth. The bloody battles with the hominids
had an extra element of primality, being fought against a non-human
foe, but were essentially the same. And no Thulean would ever dream
of murdering his own kin, except in a situation of direst violation
of honor.

But now under the reign of the aliens, there dawned the age of
mass warfare and human sacrifice, in which people were slaughtered
wholesale for one secret reason: to appease the appetite for human
souls on the part of the manipulators. Even with its limited
physical tools, modern anthropology has documented the rise of
these practices in what it terms the "dawn of civilization". Indeed,
for these were the unnatural civilizations of the half-breeds,
heavily orchestrated by the aliens

When aliens first began coming to Earth, people recognized their
half-breeds, heavily orchestrated by the aliens.
When aliens first began coming to Earth, people recognized their
repulsive forms for what they were. The record of these sightings,
and the early relations of humans to aliens, has come down to us in
the grim demonology of ancient creeds. But as the alien "demons"
became more powerful, the more degenerate cultures began to worship
them, as revealed by statues and icons of diabolic monsters held in
great esteem. Eventually, the aliens morphed the metazons of certain
peoples so completely into harmony with their own demonic nature
that they appeared to the Earthlings as human, and even as divine.
Recorded history as it's known today is a sordid tale of the
gradual and remorseless enslavement of humanity by the aliens,
aided and abetted by human weakness, greed, and gullibility. Over
the course of time, the Thulean gods were displaced in key areas by
gods made in the spiritual image of the aliens. Though the icons
came to be carved and painted with the magnificent visage of Thule,
these treacherous deities were thoroughly alien in their substance
and their credos. It could truthfully be said that the gods
themselves were aliens in disguise, come to eat the souls of human
beings under the pretext of saving them.

This further infiltration of the vestiges of Thule paved the way
for the next development. A few select breeds of people had so
thoroughly adapted themselves to the ways of the aliens, and
worshipped the alien gods so completely as their own, that they
became actual incarnations of the aliens.
Earth was now well on its way to the most horrific possibility: that
it would be permanently removed from the orbit of Thule and become
a full-fledged slave-world of the aliens.

It came to pass that one of these alien races struck a deal with
corrupt elements of a semi-Thulean remnant, and formed a new ruling
caste governing the planet in secret, a veritable Cryptocracy. With
the potent mind-control tools of the present age, they manipulate the
Vassals of all lands into submission, while flattering them into the
delusion that they are now free and that they rule themselves.
Like their extraterrestrial overlords, the Cryptocracy is a
totally parasitic organism. In the process of consolidating their
rule over the past two centuries, they started and prolonged wars for
their own enrichment and power, ruthlessly crushed and murdered any
individual, group, or nation that opposed them, and promoted the
uncontrolled expansion of technology for the centralization of their
control. We are now on the verge of a worldwide techno-talitarian
slave state in which a tiny group of masters exert ironclad dominion
over every aspect of the lives and even the minds of a vast
population of degenerate zombi-like thralls.

Even given the most depraved motives on the part of the
Cryptocrats, the horrors of recent human history are still not
explicable except in terms of the vilest acts of mass
vampirization by the aliens. People who protest factory farms do not
realize that they themselves are livestock in a planetary factory
farm for humans.

Inevitably, the quality of the product continues to decline.
With the precipitous deterioration of the Thulean stock, a billion
piddling citizens of the New World Empire cannot produce as much
decent metaplasm as a single clan of primitives at the very
beginning of the Golden Age. The aliens solved this problem by
slaughtering the human cattle in ever greater numbers. World
Wars I and II were the most hellish events ever suffered by human
beings, but they were a monumental feast with all the trimmings for
the alien eaters of souls. And at the very end came the new invention
that promised even larger repasts in the future, able to serve up
massive hosts of souls on an instant's notice, with a minimum of fuss
and bother: the atomic bomb.

However, in facilitating the creation of the bomb, the aliens
inadvertently triggered an interstellar signal, a warning flash to
Thule that things on Earth had gotten out of hand. Shortly afterwards,
flying saucers began appearing in the skies, ringing in the new era
of extraterrestrial awareness. The subsequent abductions, cattle
mutilations, etc., unveiled the true demonic nature of the aliens; but
many people have also experienced contact with the beings from Thule,
heralding their return, and the salvation of our species.

They will not, however, simply do it all themselves on our behalf;
the job requires our active participation and initiative. The first
step is to see through the illusion of the world as it seems to be.
Most people have already become so disgusted with the venal,
self-serving puppets who today play the role of political leaders that
they have no trouble seeing the face of the alien grinning from
behind the clown-masks of these poltroons, and hence they vote for no
one. However, many of these same people still buy into the media
spectacle in one or more of its many facets, admiring some musician
or actor whom they think is talented, and thus allowing this anointed
instrument of the aliens to steal their souls. The same can be said
for religion, because not even the best of the old gods actively
opposes the aliens, and many of them are alien entities themselves.
And most of all, people who should know better still believe in the
myth of miraculous technology, thinking that this supreme
soul-killing instrument of the aliens is somehow going to save us
from them. Unquestionably, the best of the tech can be salvaged and
turned to positive use, but only if the aliens are overthrown and a
new Thulean civilization is established on Earth. Some of the tech
may also be useful in making the revolution. But people who think
that tech in itself is going to bring a better future for themselves
and their children are only whistling the funeral dirge of the human

Step 2 is for the remnant of people who are still truly human to
recognize themselves as Thuleans, and begin to come together on that

This will initiate the regeneration of the Thulean group-soul, which
is the essential factor in saving the species. Even if all the aliens
could be annihilated overnight, the world would still fritter away to
its doom if there were no positive collective entity to replace them.
Step 3 is for the terrestrial Thuleans to contact and set up ongoing
relations with the new forces now arriving from Thule itself and from
other Thulean worlds in the material Universe. This work has already
begun, and in fact the remnant of the Seers of Thule never lost
contact, though their numbers have shrunk to a few. Everything can
now expand once more in earnest, if only the rest of the Elect have
the courage and the fortitude to forsake the Alien Empire, and
turn again to Thule.

Responses to this message are welcome. The unabridged,
illustrated hardcopy version of ONCE AND FUTURE THULE is available
by snail-mail. It's a 12-page 8 1/2 x 11" booklet. The price
is $-, which covers costs; however, to make clear that profit is not
the motive, I'm willing to send it for --c in postage to those who
may be skeptical. (US stamps only, or equivalent in International
Postage Coupons.)

Joseph Kerrick
P.O. Box 151523
San Rafael, CA 94915 USA

Here is some interesting french book on Thule(-gesellschaft).


Thulé : Le Soleil retrouvé des hyperboréens (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/2867142873/sr=1-67/qid=1155479699/ref=sr_1_67/104-8515617-0270341?ie=UTF8&s=books)
by Jean Mabire

sheriff skullface
Monday, September 11th, 2006, 11:42 PM
I read about Thule being the capital of Hyperborea. Is that true? And how do these relate to Atlantis?

I always thought that Thule was a settlement of Hyperborea, and that Thule was
the mystical place of origin for the norse kingdoms of northern europe

Sunday, October 15th, 2006, 11:59 PM
This lands or cultures are named very often when concerning to germanic myths. However, I don't know which are the real differences between them.
The three of them are supposed to have been superior folks who lived in paradisiacal lands in perfect societies, with cultures incredibly advanced for those times, semi gods to sum up. But all of a sudden a cataclysmic event like a tsunami or volcano explosion finishes with these places and the most of their people, thus loosing for the rest of the history that valuable heritage.
We all know the myth of Atlantis, the island-continent described by Plato in his books Timeo and Critias, after hearing the stories of egyptians and greeks about this Eden-like place. Many historians agree in saying that the culture described is very similar to the minoic one, others simply deny the existence, and the fewer say it could be an american pre-Columbian culture. However, other version was heard during the III Reich among esoteric groups, that the inhabitants of Atlantis were tall, blonde and had blue eyes. This people escaped from the catastrophe and settled in northern Europe developing a culture called Thule or Thulé, which then disappeared although not its race, the modern nordic folks.
The other myth is the one about a fantastic land called Hyperborea, situated in the present northern polar regions, but in a time in which there was a warm, almost tropical climate. It was inhabited by hyperboreans, a race of giant white men, with blond hair and blue eyes. Some people say they constructed the biggest dolmens of Europe, Stonehenge being one of them. I don't know if they disappeared because of a cataclysm, but because of a climatic change for sure. It's said also that they originated the present germanic races. A similar story is told about the Mu continent, with the difference that it's situated in the Indic Ocean.
As you see, this stories have several similarities, but all I know about them has been summed up above, and it's not very much. Other confusion factor is the fact that nazi esoteric groups defend the theory of those stories and at the same time they accept the indo-european origin of their race, which happens to have occurred in a place distant from the polar regions or the Atlantic Ocean.
I know that my threads concerning germanic heathenry may sound stupid to you, but the thing is that I honestly ignore a lot about it, and I want to improve as much as I can my knowledge. So I find this opportunity you gave me as one I can't let pass. Thank You.

Wednesday, November 1st, 2006, 07:10 PM
I am very interested in this topic, too.
What are those places exactly?


Are they the same?
Do you think they exist?
Are they myths of past cultures?

Wednesday, November 1st, 2006, 09:52 PM
Hyperborea was the seat of the old Aryan culture, situated on the North Pole (or close to it). The Hyperboreans were solar god-men, who lived with the gods. The capital of Hyperboreawas Thule, or Ultima Thule (Northmost Thule). After a natural disaster of epic proportions, and a shift of the world axis, Hyperborea became uninhabitable, and the Hyperboreans went southwards, some of them creating the settlement of Atlantis in the Atlantic Ocean, the rest of them travelling into the area of todays India (they were the forefathers of the Indo-European people).

The settlement Atlantis was probably destroyed during another natural disaster. It is also said that it was destroyed by the gods because the Atlanteans started to intermix with inferior races.

Wednesday, November 1st, 2006, 09:53 PM
I am very interested in this topic, too.
What are those places exactly?


Are they the same?
Do you think they exist?
Are they myths of past cultures?

All I know about them was writen above. They no longer exists, not only because we don't find them anymore in the locations described, but also because all those legends have in common the destruction of them by a cataclismic event. They were like paradisiacal lands.

Tuesday, March 31st, 2009, 03:27 AM

was just researching some things via a google search and i found this (and i am already a member here;):))

To answer your question: Thule=Hyperborea=Atlantis?

Thule and Hyperborea were the same, Atlantis was different.

Hyperborea and Thule were both names attributed by the ancient Greeks and Romans to the Shetland archipelago.

The name Thule itself derives from the Shetland Island called Foula, which in ancient times was called ''Thoula'' (the interchange of “f” and “th” was common). Ancient Mariners called the Shetlands “Tylensel” meaning the Isles of Thyle which would have included Foula.

The earliest Greek maps also placed Thule in the Shetlands:


- Eratosthene's map (194BC), he placed Thule in the North Sea - exactly where the Shetlands are today.

Ancient writings (such as Pytheas, Strabo and Pliny the Elder) also placed Thule in the Shetlands, but i won't bother to quote them all here.

As for Hyperborea ''the land beyond the north wind'', it was equated to Thule by the ancient Greeks and Romans (as seen on the map below, Thule lies in the ''Hyperborean Ocean'' or Hyperborevm).


But Hyperborea/Thule were much more then just names for the Shetlands.

A cataclysmic flood hit Hyperborea around 2000BC (as documented in many old norse and greek writings) and destroyed the Hyperborea civilization and so the Shetlands as they are today are just remnants of a once bigger Island.

The archeological discovery of Jarlshof on the Shetlands and nearby Skara Brae on the Orkney's has proven that the ancient Hyperborean race were skilled in stonemasonry. The British Isles also gave birth to Megalithic culture and archeo-astronomy which then spread across Northern Europe.

As for Atlantis, i have not as done much research on this. But from what i have studied on the Pillars of Herakles, they were not as most belief the Straits of Gibralter. Tacitus for example, in his Germania wrote the Pillars lied beyond Germany to the north. Atlantis according to Plato lied facing these pillars just beyond them. So Atlantis was clearly not off the coast of Spain but further north.

Tuesday, March 31st, 2009, 05:44 PM
It is important to remember that names like Thule have been transferred to other places. So just because one place may have been named that at one time does not mean that it was the original Thule.